Just insane that the left treated the tech industry with increasing hostility just because they undermined organized labor, flouted the regulatory state, and bragged that they were going to get rid of everybody's jobs for a decade straight.
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Who said there are only two emotions on Wall Street: fear, and greed.
Wall Street, Fintech, or Tech, the lines are blurred these days, especially when a single person can literally buy a country.
Yep the tech-bros benefit from the same reduction of regulation and good ol' boy networking that the other billionaires benefit from, so it's hardly a surprise that they're Fascists.
2008 - Hope and Change won
2012 - Continuation of said Hope and Change won again
2016 - Make America Great Again(Change) won
2020 - Passing the Torch (Change) won (but just barely)
2024 - Make America Great Again: again (Change) won
The campaign that leans on the status quo loses, almost always.
I can agree with that.
But i might ask where is the average person, living their life not terminally online or connected at the hip to their "news feed" supposed to become informed.
Can we blame the electorate's idiocy on a "Profit Captured" MSM yet ?
Cotton and Dale would be Trumpers as soon as it was an available identity, Dauterive and Boomhauer by the 2016 election, and possibly Peggy by the 2024 election even though she voted for Clinton in 2016, but Hank would never. Bobby volunteered for the Harris campaign and Hank writes in Sam Houston.
Cotton would be dead after Obama2, and Dale is so distrustful of the gov and politicians he would have sniffed out the apparent crazy of the tea party turned qanon and embraced other not inherently anti-american conspiracies.
the premise underlying this discourse is "if you tell powerful people they're doing bad and harmful things they won't like you" and somehow the conclusion is "so you should help them do those things instead"
It wasn’t the left. It was their own workers and the people in SF who could no longer afford to live in their own city anymore after it was uber gentrified… by rich techies who couldn’t be bothered to give anything back… for the public good. Takers.
Yes, and it is ironic in light of Bill Gates' observation in the 90s that government was becoming a less and less relevant influence on citizens' lives, and it would become necessary for public-minded corporations like his own to act in the public interest. That sounds like pure delusion now.
Could you provide a link or give an example of the left treating the tech industry with hostility. That’d be helpful. I tried to find what you are talking about, but the only stuff I could find was more along the lines of why is the tech industry so left wing and QAnon conspiracies saying opposite
Just the hubris alone should alienate anyone with half a brain
They have an annual conference called Disrupt, the premise of which is that they're going to wade into whatever your sector or institution is with their creative destruction and trash it like a 70s arena rock band in a hotel room
Let's not forget the ongoing crypto scam, which is definitely not going to lead to rich assholes walking away with billions of dollars and asinine arguments about what a Ponzi scheme is.
The only people who think crypto is a scam are banks, who think anything to do with money that isn't them is a scam and people who fell for rug pull meme coins. There are entire countries that have doubled their wealth in the last year by putting their worth into btc instead of gold.
Not sure how I'm being scammed when you have no idea about my crypto use. it's literally a middle man for me so I only have to wait 2 hours to spend MY money, not 2 days for it to go in a bank and they chuck it in the pot of numbers that they call their money
I'm a gambler. To avoid fees depositing with crypto I deposit with skrill, cash out back to skrill, then send to my wallet and use my crypto card to buy shit. If you straight depo with a card it can take up to two days to get back to your bank. The only fee I cop is a couple $ to change it to nzd
Right, and banks saying you should only get your fake money thru them arent scamming anyone?
They made literal billions in overdraft fees during lockdown, called it profit and bragged about it like any business does while every day people suffer.
Sorry, it’s a scam. It isn’t a based on nothing and there are no safeguards. An un caught bug in code could destroy it all overnight. Think about that. Plus you can’t buy anything with it.
Definitely not helping but neither is anything else. The international orgs to combat it do nothing. And the people vote to make it worse or not-better.
There is *nothing* that will be done to stop AGW. We'll just engineer ourselves out of it. And we'll learn the wrong lesson from that.
I'd say it's a pointless distraction, and not even an issue. The key diff would be the only people using the windmill-bird thing are acting in bad faith.
Does anyone honestly believe MAGA/republicans actually give a single crap about birds? Or really anything that can't be used to hurt 'libs'.
I worry that the left has not created a clear organization and recruited tech workers to join it. There still really isn’t an organized labor movement in tech to join, is there?
Because tech entrepreneurs and engineers are all white rich men. Some Indian and Chinese, but they don’t count as minority when it comes to lefty politics.
Nwanna, Historically, the left has supported tech as a tool to improve lives, democratize information, and foster innovation. However, the tech industry’s undermining of organized labor, flouting of regulations, and push toward job displacement without safeguards conflict with core leftist values.
Criticism of tech isn’t hostility; it’s a demand for accountability. The left seeks a tech ecosystem that aligns innovation with equity and fairness—one that uplifts workers, respects regulation, and prioritizes the public good over unchecked profit-driven disruption.
Currently in development
in Silicon Valley:
A vacuum cleaner big enough
to remove everyone in the USA
whose political orientation falls
to the Left of Attila The Hun.
All of the people you think might
be involved, are involved.
😢 And then were conned into bashing Biden as Too Old when he had shown the vision & expertise to enact legislation to do something about those things.
😢 And then chose not to rush to the polls for Harris-Walz to keep building on our progress empowering unions & manufacturing here in the USA.
All the techies on Reddit tell me they're the real leftists. With their multi-thousand dollar battlestations,college degrees, and pictures of their beautiful high-rise apartments.
Yup- we all thrilled by prospect of losing our jobs- I remember the bush ll administration watching (and encouraging) sending 6 million jobs offshore now that 6 million is looking like a small # as ai advances.
Their insistence on mediating sensory experience (VR face suckers, AR glasses, & no-legs metaverses), run economies and polities on code (cashless, crypto and DAOs), and tracking/Taylorizing every bodily function didn’t help the vibe either; it just exposed them as creeps.
The tech industry's disruption indeed sparked debates. Yet, it's akin to the Silk Road of yore: new trade routes stirred up commotion, but ultimately reshaped civilization. Can we strike a balance between technological progress and societal stability?
Also insane that I have spent my entire adult life trying to keep these same people from spying on everything I do with whatever liberating technology du jour they are trying to sell me - only to realize the only winning move would’ve been never to have played.
This is a funny post but it doesn’t really work because the left actually MADE Elon and other tech types by giving them insane levels of government handouts for years and not properly regulating them at all
No you don’t understand they also paid almost-meaningless lip service towards giving human rights to folks in a blatant attempt to keep their employees from organizing and it’s not fair that they didn’t get unlimited good will for that
Some of these rich billionaires have us all fooled. They want us to think left or right.The more divided we are, the more WOOL they pull over our eyes, the richer and more powerful they become. If we Americans love democracy, we don’t need to be left or right. We need to wake up and work together.
OK, but that's Left. That's *literally* the one thing that differentiates Left ideology from other ideological directions: the masses working together to fight back against the powerful rich.
Shhhhh. No, we all just need to stop with this silly left-right fighting and focus on what we can all agree on: workers should own the means of production
It was one thing when this great @mattbors.bsky.social cartoon described the random Charlottesville MAGA torch bearer but now it describes every tech broligarch pretending they were somehow pushed by us to embrace the fascism to protect the corruption of their concentrated capital.
You must be horrified about losing your job when Trump’s tariffs kick in.
Do you quit your job when your taxes increase?
Those billionaires passed that increased inflation onto us, made record profits & didn’t care who suffered. So yeah, they need to pay more taxes. They’ll survive.
Not to mention: designed products for obsolence, exterminated "right to repair", created monopolies, hoarded profits, bought and killed better versions of their own goods drove competitors and suppliers out of business with dubious tactics...I could go on.
We gotta earn to use it. It isn't replacing anyone, but those who utilize it will be ahead in the long run. It's useful, but it can't replace humans for a lot. Think of all the old folks that don't understand the internet or smart phones. We gotta get with the times and learn to use new technology.
Don't forget about their relentless attacks on privacy and compiling dossiers on everyone who ever used their product or visited their sites and then sold that to the highest bidder.
Would you please define “the left”. No disrespect meant but when you use broad labels like that, it undermines your credibility. Who is “the left? Are “they” all the same? Are “they” a “they”. Just say what you mean!
I’d say the defining issues for democrats is “do you think abortion should be legal?” and “do you think gay marriage should be legal?” “Do you support unions?” “Do you support increased taxes on the 1% if it benefits the working-class?” If you say “yes” to three of these issues, you’re on the Left.
So you think that support for gay marriage is only an issue if “the Left”? I thought supporting love between two people was just something all humans supported. And again, please stop using the term “the Left”. It means nothing.
They also began flirting w/ monarchism, resurrecting eugenics, and believing the proper relationship between men and women was warlordism. But, you know, the left was too judgy 🤷♂️
N.K. operates under a “Socialist Constitution of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.” But the government owns & controls all farmland, workers, and food distribution channels. The government provides universal health & education for all citizens. Private ownership of property is forbidden.
This is an incomplete and incorrect view on political ideologies.
Conservative and classical liberalism lie on the right near Conservatives, but most liberals these days are social liberals, which is a left leaning liberalism ideal.
Also this makes no distinction between ideal and practice. 🤔
Practice is the most important thing. Peoples actions are more important than what they say or their words. I don’t listen to lies I’ve watch what people do and the liberals actively support right wing things every single time and more so now than ever.
But there is a distinction between ideals and practice.
Ideals are static, set concepts. People, on average, take those concepts and apply their perception to them, and enact them how THEY think is best, not necessarily how best to enact the ideology.
By drawing no distinction between ideas and practice, you label ideas as fundamentally evil things, when evil can only be defined by intent and actions, not by concepts.
An idea, at its core, can only be fundamentally effective or ineffective, anything else is a lens we apply to the idea.
Liberals are not on the left they are very far to the right, only their rhetoric tends to occasionally appropriate leftist talking points when useful. This illustration takes their actions over the last century into account. Both Malcolm X and MLK went over this at length.
There is a difference between the group, libertarians, and the degree to which one is philosophically libertarian on the axis. It is not on there twice as not all libertarians are anarchists. Communism on the other hand is anarchism.
This isn’t even about what they’re saying it’s about. They’re just salty that the left isn’t supporting big tech when it’s clear they’re taking the side of a fascist regime. We were supposed to be unwitting participants in their online game. They lost and he’s not even in office yet.
In the 1980's my husband was the head of major legacy software development team for big bank. This software is still used. My husband & 5% of staff. were downsized to replace 1/4 profits lost by top bankers.
Tech, Big biz & Trump view workers as serfs. When will workers wake up to reality?
Not to aggravate hollywood but in a live stream when they was on strike he head rep turned right at camera in an azzhole face and said consumers are going to pay more
no i am not when all the stream services rose 33%
dropped them all
thats that picard show lady that was with 7 of 9 the black lady
and in a show based on the very idea no one needs money
she said that to alive stream camera
while the big corp makes more and more billions
now ya see why i m into video games i can replay over and over.. i am not a youngin
this is where we need smart peeps come up with ideas that can work to have tech and good work places exist
most laces don't need unions cause in past unions did all the work, and we have a lot a good laws
when ya need a union it should be there however for abusive employers
gauging this in such a way tat a corporate entity can make increasing growth at money and allow for no workforce is going to be a challenge
look at elon can you ever say you can spend 260 billion?
then why do we reward him such
i made doors before i got hurt at work how come i dont get paid every time you walk through a door
see how silly some stuff is when applied to real life
intime they can automate that entire process
then what well i move to new job till there are none
and its not tech that undermines labour
its organized crime
its lack of realizing that a job can be done by tech
and not retraining ones self to do things that pay that dont need tech
part of the problem is that in part they kinda are.
alot of universities are capitalist businesses that are degree mills and leave the student worse off.
and then the public education is riddled with its own set of problems
they highjack these real problems for what you said. its super frustrating
AI web scraping for machine learning purposes is literally unconstitutional. It’s absurd and embarrassing that we’ve gone this far without coming to that realization as a species.
Well that part I don't see is very bad because that's how we learn, we take bits and pieces from things other people have written or invented and build on top of that, every time I pick up my guitar whatever I consider myself creating is basically an amalgam of every guitarist I've listened to.
Well the cab companies did that to themselves, by creating an artificial barrier to entry since many large cities have a medallion system which artificially reduces the number of cab drivers in any given area.
So stealing data for far right actors to micro target voters/users around the world via massive psyops to usher in autocratic thugs who want to burn down the administrative state and/or genocide is a big deal? Massive surveillance tools for cops & corps & bullying for the masses? We're such babies.
You might want to check the campaign contributions that the tech industry has given to Democrats over the years. Silicon Valley is located in California.
To add another point, half of techbros are the type to outsource their own independent thinking to a machine algorithm, so if it comes to Turing tests as a method of assessing one's intelligence, techbros are way below baseline.
I’m noticing a lot of this myself - it’s like the pace of AI development feels like it’s slowing not because it’s becoming as good as humans but humans are lowering their standards to accept what it produces.
So many people posting eg clips from video LLMs “wow we are so finished”…
And it’s a dog jumping around in the snow with visibly broken physics or someone dancing and their head is turning round exorcist style half way through!
People just seem to be no longer actively trying, giving up on creativity already.
Yeah, I haven't had time to look at too many comments but they seem to follow? Now, on the dead-bird site, this would have been a dumpster-fire conflagration of muskrat sycophants reading it wrong.
The world is being monopolosed by a handful of companies (Amazon,Apple, Meta, X, Tesla, etc.) whose greed has no end. Those companies are run by the biggest megalomaniacs, psychopath and sociopath of all time.
With Musk they occupy a key position in the US governement.
I disagree with your grouping Apple in with Zuckerberg and Elon. Apple as a company is quite the opposite and is not a monopoly it holds a much smaller portion of the computer and phone market when compared to Windows and Android.
Apple owns one of the two operative systems for mobile (iOS). It follows aggressive advertising practices as its strategy of capturing a large segment of the market. It violates labour laws, employees at iPhone factory found working 100 hours of overtime.
So they are hogging up renewable energy for their useless scams. WOW I guess that makes them soooo great and not a waste of resources for the already wealthy to continue to make unregulated securities and commit fraud. /s v
I'm not a fan of scams and meaningless projects, but I'm also not willing to tear down the traditional monetary system just because there is mass fraud and corruption within that system.
The “traditional” monetary system solved an actual problem.
As far as I can tell, the only good thing Bitcoin did was allow people to circumvent tyrannical governments to buy recreational drugs. But then they shut down Silk Road, so you can’t even do that any more.
Blackrock and other legacy companies would strongly disagree with you.
Bitcoin mining can actually help regulate the energy grid for instance. It's a store of value, it is an instant transaction function, opens p2p payments, unlocks programmable money, funds public goods, etc.
He has no point. Energy use per transaction is what needs to be compared. Traditional bank transactions use practically no energy. Crypto transaction energy use is enormous in comparison.
And 46% of the useless and job-destroying crap they are doing is melting the polar ice caps and on schedule to mess up the trade winds. So, what's yer point?
Y'all, I hate to tell you this, but technology is not your enemy. It's the fact that every decision about how to develop and utilize technology is made to extract wealth rather than to alleviate suffering. There's a word for that.
You know that probably the defining distinction between right and leftwing politics is the approach to class and capitalism right? Like those things specifically.
Clearly there are some differences. But in this respect, they share the same priority: To be successful under capitalism. Any political party will fight to uphold the system which gives it power.
It's honorable that responsible adults supported tech innovators who employed sustainable growth, talent compensation, and ethical business practices.
While pushing back against those trying to #racetothebottom and drag the whole industry down with them.
...not sure if that's what you're on about.
And we just had the utter pleasure (not) of seeing one of those throw a massive tanti and buy an election because his fee fee's were hurt when he didn't get an open invitation to the Whitehouse. Man child.
Those tech folks don't appreciate that they're just the same as any old company to us. These days pretty much every company has computers and the internet and spreadsheets and stuff. The difference between Microsoft and 3M is just the different bits and bobs you put on the spreadsheet. Who cares!
At least they created LLMs that write dog shit prose or image/video generators capable of perfectly replicating stuff that would have been bounced with downvotes from Vimeo or DeviantArt approx. 8yrs ago.
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That is some very 19th century union busting style tactics.
Wall Street, Fintech, or Tech, the lines are blurred these days, especially when a single person can literally buy a country.
2012 - Continuation of said Hope and Change won again
2016 - Make America Great Again(Change) won
2020 - Passing the Torch (Change) won (but just barely)
2024 - Make America Great Again: again (Change) won
The campaign that leans on the status quo loses, almost always.
But i might ask where is the average person, living their life not terminally online or connected at the hip to their "news feed" supposed to become informed.
Can we blame the electorate's idiocy on a "Profit Captured" MSM yet ?
If you want to defeat them you gotta notice that.
Bill and Boomhauer spot on
Disagree on Peggy
Yes on Hank and Bobby.
But, there have been some decipherable trends.
Namely "Change".
https://open.substack.com/pub/demodirge/p/when-we-all-become-an-unnecessary?r=9gmmo&utm_medium=ios
They have an annual conference called Disrupt, the premise of which is that they're going to wade into whatever your sector or institution is with their creative destruction and trash it like a 70s arena rock band in a hotel room
They made literal billions in overdraft fees during lockdown, called it profit and bragged about it like any business does while every day people suffer.
That wealth won't mean shit with polluted waterways and increasing climate change fueled by data centers to pump out crypto.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2022/09/08/fact-sheet-climate-and-energy-implications-of-crypto-assets-in-the-united-states/
There is *nothing* that will be done to stop AGW. We'll just engineer ourselves out of it. And we'll learn the wrong lesson from that.
The average data center uses a few hundred thousand gallons of water per day.
In places with drought, like the American West, that's a huge deal.
Does anyone honestly believe MAGA/republicans actually give a single crap about birds? Or really anything that can't be used to hurt 'libs'.
Because its a scam
From our point of view (Europe) they seem more the middle.
The adults will be back in charge
Veteran against trump.
Fuck trump and his followers.
Not worth the effort.
Voted against your own interests Worshipping a clown. 🤡 sad day.
in Silicon Valley:
A vacuum cleaner big enough
to remove everyone in the USA
whose political orientation falls
to the Left of Attila The Hun.
All of the people you think might
be involved, are involved.
😢 And then chose not to rush to the polls for Harris-Walz to keep building on our progress empowering unions & manufacturing here in the USA.
President Elon with Donald Trump at Mat A Lago #ElonVonShitzInPants
#PresidenElonX
Fuck off. The only people who did that were people who could he easily replaced by machines.
There is no "Left".
Be careful what you wish for.
(btw the 1% pay more than 80% of all taxpayers).
You want to lose your job and pay more for products & services?
I don't.
And 44% don't pay a lick of taxes.
Do you quit your job when your taxes increase?
Those billionaires passed that increased inflation onto us, made record profits & didn’t care who suffered. So yeah, they need to pay more taxes. They’ll survive.
There were already tariffs when he was president and inflation was low.
This is a scare tactic, nothing more.
Please to meet you, Brian.
They are as left as you can get.
There are many more socialists, however, in the Federal government. And socialism always turns to communism.
"The Northern California chairman for the Communist Party USA, Juan Lopez, has pushed to roll back similar bans in recent years — including one that forbids teachers from being in his party."
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/09/527586682/california-assembly-votes-to-allow-communists-to-hold-state-jobs
Don't move the goalposts because you got the truth.
Conservative and classical liberalism lie on the right near Conservatives, but most liberals these days are social liberals, which is a left leaning liberalism ideal.
Also this makes no distinction between ideal and practice. 🤔
But there is a distinction between ideals and practice.
Ideals are static, set concepts. People, on average, take those concepts and apply their perception to them, and enact them how THEY think is best, not necessarily how best to enact the ideology.
An idea, at its core, can only be fundamentally effective or ineffective, anything else is a lens we apply to the idea.
Anarchy is freedom from centralized governmental rule.
Communism is granting each person what they need so that everyone’s needs are met.
This is ideologically speaking, neither have been properly implemented in practice.
Who needs drudgery anyway? Humans are made for so much more than that.
(but yeah, techbros are the worst)
Tech, Big biz & Trump view workers as serfs. When will workers wake up to reality?
it might be time to address a tax on the robots/ai use so we all get a stipend of base money off that
no i am not when all the stream services rose 33%
dropped them all
thats that picard show lady that was with 7 of 9 the black lady
she said that to alive stream camera
while the big corp makes more and more billions
now ya see why i m into video games i can replay over and over.. i am not a youngin
sue them for not using them
most laces don't need unions cause in past unions did all the work, and we have a lot a good laws
when ya need a union it should be there however for abusive employers
look at elon can you ever say you can spend 260 billion?
then why do we reward him such
but as tech moves in the are not needed
you then need more skilled people to look after robots
just as workers for video games now unionize
and patents
why didnt that factory worker replaced by a robot not get compensated
...cause he could work i a non robot job for now
so your already too late to stop anything
and its been creeping alone for decades
see how silly some stuff is when applied to real life
intime they can automate that entire process
then what well i move to new job till there are none
its organized crime
its lack of realizing that a job can be done by tech
and not retraining ones self to do things that pay that dont need tech
majority of us are centrists centre left or centre right
you dont get that but its why we ignore far left and far right
you both argue like lil children
member robots in auto factories
guess no one learns
just new frontiers in how to be creepy and bad.
https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2011/04/qa-john-richardson-on-picassos-uncontrollable-sex-drive
alot of universities are capitalist businesses that are degree mills and leave the student worse off.
and then the public education is riddled with its own set of problems
they highjack these real problems for what you said. its super frustrating
I mean hell, Snowden showed us they were well because the AI that exists now existed.
The problem with applying this logic to machine learning is that AI is infinitely scalable in ways people are not.
Finding inspiration as a human is fine. Monetizing a program that aggregates human data to permanently replace creatives shouldn’t be
You want to argue about what rights should exist to the stuff you post on the town hall bulletin board, we can absolutely work to protect that better
I’m talking about private data being stolen for machine learning datasets.
I have hundreds of articles I could post here and a 51-page report, but I have a character limit.
I’m talking about so much more.
For starters:
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/09/artist-finds-private-medical-record-photos-in-popular-ai-training-data-set/
“Well I mean not like physical things”
“so…”
“Laws, mostly. Laws.”
Notwithstanding all the dramatic shifts that tech has & will cause socially & economically that are legitimate things that displace people
But that's why we need to discuss why UBI is necessary
So many people posting eg clips from video LLMs “wow we are so finished”…
People just seem to be no longer actively trying, giving up on creativity already.
-George Bernard Shaw
With Musk they occupy a key position in the US governement.
https://edubirdie.com/examples/is-apple-a-monopoly-or-oligopoly/
Trump & SiliValley are natural allies.
But they drive Teslas now.
Ethereum moved to proof of stake significantly reducing its energy use, and more and more mining facilities are investing in renewable energy.
Just saying.
We don't see anyone clamoring to shut down traditional markets.
Also, global monetary system uses about 50x more energy than crypto.
That means more renewable energy is being generated as a direct result of their investments.
Yes crypto has many shit tier projects and scams. A lot of good being built though, as well.
Funding public goods for one.
Let's ignore that 46%.
No system is perfect but it's great to see an industry working toward becoming better.
Scams and pointless projects are bad, we can both agree, but funding public goods isn't.
The “traditional” monetary system solved an actual problem.
As far as I can tell, the only good thing Bitcoin did was allow people to circumvent tyrannical governments to buy recreational drugs. But then they shut down Silk Road, so you can’t even do that any more.
Bitcoin mining can actually help regulate the energy grid for instance. It's a store of value, it is an instant transaction function, opens p2p payments, unlocks programmable money, funds public goods, etc.
Cherry picking data points to fit a narrative is not helpful if you truly stand by the climate issue.
It has created jobs, but not aware of it destroying jobs. Would be keen to hear more on this.
The traditional global monetary system uses 50x more energy should we consider shutting it down?
Arguably more fraud as well.
Cause they couldn't stand the bullshit any longer.
do you hear yourself
Ok
While pushing back against those trying to #racetothebottom and drag the whole industry down with them.
...not sure if that's what you're on about.
Well worth destroying the rainforest for.