Adobe’s problem isn’t Ai, Adobes problem is that everyone in the professional space was already paying for their products before they slotted in the Ai thing — It was never going to generate additional revenue.
Exactly, if you use Adobe for professional reasons (basically everyone) then your clients generally don't hire you to turn out slop, they hire you for your skill and expertise. AI adds nothing to that equation.
Also even if you are using generative tools, Adobe's fucking suck.
What upset me was the lack of choice. They updated their terms of service telling you that not only did they own your stuff, but their is no “decline” button. You simply cannot continue to use the software you pay for each month. It’s crazy how me paying a monthly fee was no longer good enough.
This. Was forced out of a perfectly working copy of CS4 into a CC version with a hand tool bug that overrided the resize bracket hot keys they never fixed. Infuriating.
I bought the CS5.5 suite and still use most of them. I had to procure a PSCS6 as PS5.5 had a zoom/rotate canvas glitch. I'm lucky to have been able to bail on the CC scam back in 2021. $700 or $800 a year x 3, I'd be out of pocket by well over 2k. Horrible company.
It’s feasible. All share prices can go up with a significant acquisition (Midjourney anyone?) but the headlines and implication their ceiling is to do with Ai is very misleading.
THANK YOU!! I've used CSP for YEARS, but now that I'm technically working in 'the iNdUsTry' (an illustrator for an HVAC company) I sometimes have to work with third parties, and they all insist on using adobe, so I was forced to adapt to it.
im perfectly happy drawing in clip studio with one time pay and absolutely no lag because its not busy scraping my art. ill never regret ditching ps for my personal reasons 💃🏻
They did try to implement an AI generator in the program not all that long ago. I love CSP too, but never forget what they tried to do to us, & *only* went back on the decision because people threatened (& did) cancel their subscriptions for other programs + LOTS of angry comments on posts & emails.
Every time I turn around, there's a new PDF tool I didn't know about and does everything I need for free. Thanks for the tip about https://www.ilovepdf.com/
I’m surprised they aren’t at all focused on losing 25+year customers like me to Affinity. I convinced my employer and our small team we didn’t need to be paying for Creative Cloud anymore.
When Adobe reps came to my office, they kept trying to push Express and AI crap on my team. I told them to their faces they have no market advantage in AI compared to Microsoft Designer, open source AI, etc. They chose to screw their installed base, so they get just desserts.
Adobe is bleeding revenue over their decision to claim rights of anything created with their software. A subscription model loses all your revenue when the subscribers can cancel when they believe you are stealing. Why would I use your product when you plan to sell my work for cheaper?
Feed it a photo with the notes “less contrast in the chicken strips, a bit less red in the subjects lips, whiten the teeth, and overall more saturation” and it just fails.
I think telling your main paying clientele to "get over it and embrace ai" probably has more to do with it than people who are using ai who were never their paying customers.
I can see it like, using generative images for low effort output (ads, article headers) replaced having one person who slaps some stuff together photoshop
i would be more concerned about the disconnects between what people claim AI can do, what it actually does, and whether anyone actually needs those things to be done.
Photoshop keeps prompting me to try the various new techniques it's developed to replace my work. I mean, that's like the new robots taunting the former line workers on their way out the door of the auto plant.
a lot of tech bros being caught with their pants down right now because AI is really good at clerical stuff, but not nearly as good at the stuff they were hoping it was going to be good at
not to mention those that are banking on the clerical stuff finding out that they're going to be charged...
It's not even great for a lot of clerical stuff because it just simply returns false information or misses important details way too frequently. At present it's really untrustworthy and I feel like they have no idea how to fix it otherwise they'd be talking big game about it by now.
They're going to keep investing until it works. They're too deep to let it go. New companies will IPO in 2025 many dealing in AI and will further annoy us with integrations and marketing hype nobody wants but it'll be in tandem w/ everyday necessity causing the component to profit.🤷🏻♀️
I think eventually the investment capital is gonna get cagey and we'll see a major tech implosion over this. Maybe not next year, but I don't think it'll be very far into the future. You can't peddle snake oil at this scale forever.
This comment is getting some some buzz so I wanted to share this blog post I ran across recently. It really laid out some things about the AI industry and its nonsense I hadn't really seen mentioned before, let alone all collected in on article. Great read.
This article title made me tad confused for a minute because Godot is the name of a open source game engine that has (as far as I'm aware) absolutely nothing to do with AI garbage ^^;
Yep! Spread and promote the critics, there are quite a few. Also pivot-to-ai with @davidgerard.co.uk ; @wolvendamien.bsky.social ; @wagatwe.com ; and many others.
Same difference. They get to claim BS adoption numbers for copilot and skim training data off of unwitting users, everyone feels very annoyed, everyone pays them for the “privilege” of that annoyance.
Forcing it on people is a way to get more training data. I’m skeptical that will make it any better but that’s what the grifters are telling the suits. That’s a big reason why it’s so prevalent even in places where no one seems to be paying for it
Oh, sure. I'm just wondering if they're including in their "$10billion revenue" stats a slice of all those subscriptions to products that have it mandatorily bundled in.
Gotta be. Any revenue that can be even tenuously connected is being reported as AI driven. I see it where I work and we’re not in that industry at all, but we have to get the AI numbers up for the board
I'm reminded of all those banks that got pressured by their shareholders into joining the sub-prime "asset-backed" nonsense even though they knew it was a bad idea. Everyone feared they'd be left behind if they didn't.
I remember a news story looking into Canadian banks during all that. Our regulations kept a lot of the institutions out of it, but there was one anecdote about a bank CEO who just kept asking, “so where’s the value?” and could never get a clear answer.
I was listening to a podcast earlier this week that made exactly that sub prime loan comparison. What's crazy is that you have the big top level AI companies like OpenAI, Anthropic, etc and they're all running at a loss on VC cash injections and are running out of big developments. (continued)
What's so bizarre about it is how many tech-bro's are obsessed with their myth that they're on the verge of creating "artificial life", even though their systems are dependent on an army of humans tagging the input material. Without humans telling it what it's looking at it's useless.
I find it funny that the people in the know in that industry all mostly STFU about AGI in the last year. And that's because they realized they're not gonna create it with a glorified text message autocomplete algorithm, no matter how many GPUs they roast trying.
I’ll be happy when/if the bubble bursts at this point, I make the mistake of googling AI in the news sometimes expecting to find something hopeful, but I don’t see a lot of that tbh. I did find some articles about how certain influential peoples concerns are that ai is too woke, so that’s fun.
They don’t care if anyone even *likes* it. They heard the siren song of “more content from less labor = huge profits” and couldn’t resist steering right for the rocks.
I dunno if it's even that with some of them as much as it's "quick!! There's a new thing I think is trending! Incorporate it into our software so that our investors think we're still relevant!"
Their GenAI stuff is genuinely fantastic for things such as recovering missing blotches of background in old film scans, removing an object etc. I don't understand how this makes them many billions of dollars in profits though.
I like bashing Adobe for it's greedy tactics like everyone else, but some ppl being 100% anti AI are being overdramatic.
I think Ps AI content aware fill is the best and most user friendly outpainting solution rn. And Camera Raw has the best RAW noise reduction. If you don't need that, use smth else
Where they actually did a loss is Firefly. That's the real mismatch. A genAI tool marketed to pro designers & artists, who don't rely on genAI is the issue. It's the wrong target audience. Nobody uses Firefly, even tho it's the most ethically trained AI model; until Public Diffusion is released ofc
Content aware fill isn't generative AI, it's been around for ages, you're talking about generative fill, which isn't ethically trained, nor is Firefly. They launder data and they refuse to tell people where their 'publicly available data' comes from.
I'm ofc talking about generative fill. I forgot the right term because I don't have it anymore.
But wow I didn't knew about that article. That was the nail in the coffin for firefly. But tbh, I don't care that much on what generative fill was trained on bc it has a different purpose and use.
You SHOULD care. I think generative fill is a great use case for generative AI, but again, only if it's trained ethically. Just because YOU perceive yourself to use it ethically, doesn't mean everyone is or that the tech itself is ethical.
15% is significant, but I absolutely hate a chart that doesn’t show 0 on the axis. It makes it seem to the causal reader that adobe is in collapse rather than potentially just in a notable dip from which it could quickly recover.
In practice, a necessary choice a lot of the time. Graphs which are mostly empty space because everything's in the top ten percent, don't tell you much. There's a trade off in these choices, it's not hard and fast rules.
That really depends on context. Sometimes zero is arbitrary (such as temperature -- unless you want meteorologists to show all temperatures relative to -273K). Sometimes a proportionally small change in some variable is a legitimately important story.
I find the $50/mo fair, because I use at least 4 of the suite products all day long, every day. But when they introduced firefly they simply lost my respect. I learned Illustrator around 1996. It's such a part of my world it's disappointing they lost their mission....art.
Yeah, the subscription price worked out to about what my department would spend to upgrade software every two years so tat didn’t bug me too much. But the Firefly tools are very wrongheaded.
Terminal CEO brain. The Business men always push anyone actually involved and interested in a given field out of management until it's just a bunch of idiots looking at stock prices and no clue about their actual product.
they do a lot more with AI than image generation though. im not a lightroom user personally (refuse to subscribe to software) but ai noise reduction is 10x better than the old kind
This is going to get even worse for Adobe when all the game & film studios don’t renew a shit ton of seats for the third year in a row, cause they fired the people who make art with them.
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machine can't imitate human expression
Ai is a process optimiser and corner cutter, not a revenue generator.
Also even if you are using generative tools, Adobe's fucking suck.
"Adobe said it expects first- quarter revenue to be between $5.63 billion and $5.68 billion, which was below the FactSet consensus of $5.72 billion."
Quarterly income dropped .09 billion?
Buy it once. Use it for life.
#eduSky
Or write test assignments and analyze the complete assignments
Big tech played dirty trying to grab a monopolistic position but the market and the tech don't support it.
The AI wars are over. Big tech lost.
Adobe clients: "I don't want IA"
-Arthur Fleck (Joker 2019)
It's buggy garbage, and I hate it.
I make them all the time using the PRINT command and edit using ILOVEPDF.
Why would I subscribe to something I can get elsewhere for with one-time purchase or for free?
#eduSky #software
I guess the fact that it desperately needs a copywriter makes it more likely that this was written by a human?
I dislike AI yet I can't unfathom this as the reason. If/When Adobe launches exclusive quality AI tooling this might invert.
Imagine as MidJourney was Adobe's
Feed it a photo with the notes “less contrast in the chicken strips, a bit less red in the subjects lips, whiten the teeth, and overall more saturation” and it just fails.
This is the norm in image editing.
HA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!
It's a bubble. They don't have the next big thing ready to go. They don't know how to make the next big thing. The bubble is gonna pop.
not to mention those that are banking on the clerical stuff finding out that they're going to be charged...
https://www.wheresyoured.at/godot-isnt-making-it/
Bundling it and forcing it on users whether they want it or not, more like.
What happens when one or more of the top level companies goes under or has to majorly jack up prices?
Sounds a lot like the domino banking collapse.
Who could have possibly foreseen this?
https://apnews.com/article/artificial-intelligence-education-arrest-913f681c77ddce75bf55c02112187c03
I think Ps AI content aware fill is the best and most user friendly outpainting solution rn. And Camera Raw has the best RAW noise reduction. If you don't need that, use smth else
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-12/adobe-s-ai-firefly-used-ai-generated-images-from-rivals-for-training
But wow I didn't knew about that article. That was the nail in the coffin for firefly. But tbh, I don't care that much on what generative fill was trained on bc it has a different purpose and use.
Adobe today: We help computers create the blandest shit you’ve ever seen
Wall St.: "Wait, who uses your products?"
Adobe: "..."
The only way it could be become anywhere near as valuable as they think it is would be if AI actually hits AGI levels.