I've tried to argue it, and all I get is "I show my birth certificate/get family to bring my birth certificate". Like okay? Without due process, there's no reason for them to even *check* the birth certificate, or to do anything other than go "looks fake" and do what they were gonna do anyway.
So is Trump. Or maybe Trmp is a Sociopath. He is a Narcicist. H e still claims he won the 2020 election, and claims he won in a landslide in 2024. He got less than 50% of the total vote, and defeated Harris by only 1.4%. That was with a Musk rigging the elevtion for him.
The problem is deportation to a prison sentence without due process. Sending someone back to their origin country as a free person is one thing, accusing someone of criminal activity and summarily disappearing them to a foreign gulag is another thing entirely.
he is so, so, so wrong on this. everyone gets due process, even if it's "just" to figure out whether or not you have legal residency (and there's really more to it than that, but in terms that pencil head followers might understand...)
Miller can go pound sand. He’s lying fascist blowhard with far too much power. And it never ceases to amaze me that he can make it to work every day without a black eye. His face is so punchable.
Steven Miller, with his BA in PolySci is now lecturing those with JD and PhDin law from Ivy League schools what the Constitution, the law, and court precedence says.
... but those years feverishly poring over the Alien Enemies Act and fantasizing over its application to run of the mill illegal immigrants have to count for something...
Miller, with the help of his compliant media, is continuing his years-long path of "otherizing" immigrants, slandering them with every ill we suffer from. Having denied their humanity, denying their Constitutional rights is just another step.
So he's either preventing their rights, or admitting that undocumented immigrants are not criminals, and therefore don't qualify.
Either way, not a good look, donny boy...
Stop referring to the law as though it makes any difference. Homan, Hegseth and Trump have already refused orders from the supreme court, they have FBI,CIA, Armed forces under control, the law matters little. Garcia was the test case. The constitution, no longer has any impact or relevance. Wake up
I agree with you, but I have to admit I don’t have the expertise to convey how this can be refuted and I think a lot of people are afraid to, bc they don’t know. Can you please explain how this works in practice? Thank you.
Getting rid of an infestation of illegal alien criminals will hardly destroy the republic. In fact, there's all evidence that proves it will make us stronger. Every other country should follow suit.
I feel like the 14th Amendment takes great pains to use say citizens and persons. The fact that persons is used when they discuss due process seems to suggest, to me, that it was not pertaining to just citizens.
Yep, he's out to disinform the public into being complacent about it when CJ Immunity and the Fascist Five decide to use their "originalism" alchemy to spin a false recitation of history into the declaring the batshit nonsense he just tweeted to be what the Constitution means.
That worm has obviously never read and/or understood the 5th Amendment. It specifically uses the term "person". It does not say "citizen" or "criminal".
He wants to destroy the republic because people who have no business being here are commiting crimes, being protected by sanctuary cities, and Americans have had enough of them taking advantage of the system?
He has the most crooked interpretations of legal wording I’ve ever heard of - his interpretation of SCOTUS 9-0 ruling to facilitate Garcia’s return to the U.S., he conveniently interpreted as 9-0 that Trump has 100% control over foreign affairs . . . if its twistable, Miller will twist it‼️😖
Because as a non-lawyer, he is free to disregard all rule of jaw without concern that he’ll also lose his (nonexistent) license to practice law. Government attorneys may not comply with Miller’s histrionic demands regarding unlawful representations made in court without flirting with disbarment.
Barbie Bondi seems to move his insane interpretations forward in the courts - I sure hope she loses her law license some day - she certainly doesn’t deserve one . . .😏
Steven Miller's argument is not a good one because what if a US citizen is wrongly arrested and deported. With no due process there would never be the opportunity to prove citizenship.
I've always thought he looked like someone straight out of a WWII Nazi movie. (And yes, I realize he's Jewish.)
He seems to be a thoroughly unlikeable human being, devoid of a sense of humor, and absolutely, completely devoid of empathy...or humanity, even.
Kind of like the 🍊💩 himself.
Once again, Miller lies and spews more nonsense. He knows exactly how to please the mad king which is why he’s Trump’s first choice for National Security Advisor to replace Waltz.
Now what we gonna do about it because saying, "this is completely false" and that he "is out to destroy our republic" doesn't actually accomplish anything
He knows he's lying. But so many of our friends with pocket Constitutions open to Amd. 2 will buy this story. When they act on it they will deserve "a fair trial and a first class hangin'."
That Stephen Miller's teeth haven't been knocked down his throat is a testament to the restraint and commitment to nonviolence of *everyone* who comes across him day-to-day and/or to the skill and professionalism of his security team.
I accuse Stephen Miller of being an illegal alien and wish to have him deported. Because he believes that only criminal defendants deserve due process, he should receive none himself.
Thank you for standing firm on this. Due process isn’t a privilege—it’s a constitutional protection that defines who we are as a nation of laws, not of men. We can’t afford to forget that. ⚖️🇺🇸
Like Mr. Dracula and the rest of the Republican Party and the deranged mentally ill pres. And billionaires pushing this fascist crap down our throats is going to work. To many Americans died to stop this from happening. You will fail because we will not back down. It’s a war you will loose! RESIST!
No, Stephen Miller does not have a law degree. He earned a bachelor's degree in political science from Duke University in 2007. He is a political advisor and speechwriter, not a lawyer.
5th Amendment: “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury..”
PERSON, not citizen.
I imagine if I'm picked up by immigration they'd have an Idea of where I'm from before arresting and deporting me. But I wasn't aware the US was just deporting everyone. I thought it was just those that crossed our border illegally I don't believe American Citizens are being deported can't find info
Stephen Goebbels Miller IMAGINES he's an expert in the rule of law. He isn't an attorney. He doesn't have a law degree. He isn't a Constitutional scholar.
When are you going to get the fact that immigration for any country helps sustain the economy…and of course we want everyone to be accounted for but GOP walked away from one of the best bill in 30 years….all for a fucking show..so you keep falling for the #BorderPorn the GOP scum uses 💰
We need people to act on the info they post on Bluesky and other social media platforms.
Do not tell us " xx people have broken the law" if there are no actions to hold them to account.
DO SOMETHING!!
Stephen Miller and everyone else floating "due process doesn't apply to everybody" know it's bullshit. They just need to say something. Doesn't matter how stupid. You just need to say SOMETHING to be right on social media.
Either everyone has due process or *no one* has due process.
Otherwise, government can just decide (without due process) that someone is part of a group that doesn’t get due process. And then deny them due process for the thing government is accusing them.
Miller just has that whole
"He kept himself to himself" neighbours talking about a serial killer vibe where he turns out he set fire to a Gerbil when he was 8.
Hey Steve-o you're going too fast for me. Back up one step. How do you determine if someone has done something illegal? Is there like a process for that?
THe sole manner in which Miller can be correct in his statement is if an alien would not be considered a "person." So what are they, Stephen - robots? Dogs? Amoebae?
How does he stay alive? I suppose it's to his benefit that breathing is automatic and doesn't need thinking about. How does he expect to demonstrate that someone isn't entitled to be in USA without the due process of checking all the facts?
Miller’s cruelty is exceptional. He doesn’t give a single shit about all the families he is destroying. How many children with cancer are being abducted, deported and sent to die in a different country. Miller is a terminal cancer in our society.
Let’s stop sugarcoating it—MAGA Republicans are sociopaths. Antisocial, amoral, and proudly detached from reality. They’ve crossed the line from political movement to dangerous pathology. It’s time intelligent America calls them exactly what they are.
He knows damn well that what he said is a lie. It is designed to tell their SCOTUS fascists what they want and warn them that they are priming the pump for widespread violence if they don't get it.
As long as Democrats continue picking this hill to die on. Protecting illegal aliens, going against the majority of the people. They will lose once again the midterms.
Choose which side you will fight for, illegals or American citizens. Be it the homeless, vets, the poor who need it.
Sorry, I do not agree with that. No way can I agree with home-grown is next. Sorry, I don't have that kind of hate for all things Trump just to be having it to believe in such silliness at this point. Our country has too many good guys to allow that. Trump is just one man.
Replying to obvious trolls (the guy literally has a troll face avatar) just encourages them to come here. Like that one guy who deletes his account and remakes it every day to dodge blocklists.
Dizzygirl, I blocked that person calling me a troll. I am here like everyone else to engage in debate about our country moving forward. No, I am not a robot talking head that agrees with the hive mind of thinking. I see the problems in our party that lost us the election. Nothing else.
Right but I think it helped me understand just how evil he is and what the pathology of the evil is, he is one fucked up guy and I have no actual human feelings about him
He had a major role in developing a shadow government. Many of those people are now in powerful positions in the current administration. They are all fascists.
"The US gov't seizes someone's house without notice or process and without providing compensation. Stephen Miller, that's unconstitutional, right? But you're saying it's fine if the owner isn't a citizen?"
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and they are sending people to a prison with no due process anyway, not simply deporting them to their countries of origin, so his own wrong argument is also irrelevant
Miller did you fluke basic law in law school? Did you read the constitution and Bill of Rights? You don’t care you have a sick way of assessing one’s rights.
Two can play at that game. Nazis are not afforded due process, by right of their obvious treason, through a mentality of insurrection. Round em up and ship em out!
Impeach. Remove. Imprison. We should be calling for it every day. Impeach. Remove. Imprison. He has capitulated to the enemy. Impeach. Remove. Imprison. He manipulated the stock market to make the rich richer. Impeach. Remove. Imprison. He is kidnapping American citizens. Impeach. Remove. Imprison.
But, my Nazi vampire friend, how do you know if they're illegal aliens or trespassers if you haven't proven it in court with evidence, aka due process.
Unless you think just making a blanket assumption that all brown people are illegals is sufficient. Ah, that's it, isn't it?
Thank you. This has been my point over and over and I feel like hitting my head against a concrete wall when people bring up due process and immigrants.
Desantis: “There’s not going to be authorization to just shoot somebody like that, but when somebody’s got a backpack on and they’re breaking through the wall, you know, that’s hostile intent and you have every right to take action under those circumstances.”
Agreed 1000%! I wonder, if they are found with a foreign passport, for example, would that be enough to say they're not here legally? No human is "illegal!"
By the way, I'm looking to find housing for a few migrants that are trying to avoid ICE detention. If you or anyone else is able to assist...
Probably best to target blue cities that already support sanctuary city status, then tap into the faith based (not evangelical or Baptists, obviously) communities, particularly Quakers, Unitarian & Catholics. Lots of ppl in upstate NY where I live looking for similar cover for ag workers. 🤫🙁
5 of the people I'm trying to house are based out of Saratoga Springs!!! I did a quick search and couldn't find anything specific, do you think you could DM me some info on how I can connect with these people for ag workers? They all have experience with that
I don’t know them personally, I talked to people at a protest who were involved but I don’t know them/have no way to contact them. The disgusting irony around here is that we see MASSIVE banners “Farmers for Trump” and they all use migrant workers I’m told (I’m new here).
Can you please provide some context? I've read a few different places that this insane administration is indeed deporting legal US citizens, do you have any definitive sources where I can look into this further? I can find some social media posts and news articles but nothing definitive...
Part of due process is establishing that one is a citizen or illegal. What stops them from labeling a citizen "illegal" and deprive them of due process to defend themselves against the lie?
Omfg did he actually say this?!?!! Please share a link to this video so I can send it to my POC group chat I have with my migrant friends that I'm helping find homes.
Btw, if you or anyone you know can house a couple of beautiful migrants that are trying to stay away from ICE, please let me know!!
everyone on martha's vineyard used that exact chart a few years back......then called the national guard and declared a local emergency before bussing their illegals out of town before property values went down.
If birthright citizenship is removed then logically everyone aside from First Nations descendants will not be citizens. That's a lot of illegals to deport 🤔
Came here to say the same thing. Those vile people either don't understand this, which is ignorant, or they do which is dangerous. How many people will they "disappear" this way?
I'm speaking, of course, of the current admins policy of no hearings before deportation. Everyone deserves their day in court, whether or not they're here legally.
But if you really want to know. I think every immigrant that wants to be here should be allowed to stay, Obama sucked in that regard.
Says the “no credentials of value”guy who could never compete with DEI hires more qualified and educated than he was. Had to ride on the back of a racist, senile orange horse to get a seat at the table.
Funny how the wording to the 5th Amendment reads " no PERSON shall....."
No mention of " criminal defendant ".
Herr Gruppenfuhrer Miller is nothing less than a traitorous white supremacist.
"There are literally millions of aliens within the jurisdiction of the United States. The Fifth Amendment, as well as the Fourteenth Amendment, protects every one of these persons from deprivation of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."
– Shaughnessy v. United States (1953)
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I think I remember something ...
Citizen or not!
More Reich Wing Propaganda
https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama
But as with all fascists, he knows that a false definition, repeated often enough, will convince much of the population.
You just have to be literate to understand it. (And not evil.)
Either way, not a good look, donny boy...
It's for all persons inside our borders because that's who we are...
Or it's not and NO ONE, citizens included, is entitled to due process.
Oh wait.
He's dead.
Even better.
He wants to destroy the republic because people who have no business being here are commiting crimes, being protected by sanctuary cities, and Americans have had enough of them taking advantage of the system?
He's fixing the republic. Fixing this nonsense.
It says "person." It does not say "citizen."
He seems to be a thoroughly unlikeable human being, devoid of a sense of humor, and absolutely, completely devoid of empathy...or humanity, even.
Kind of like the 🍊💩 himself.
US Constitutional Rights
Doesn’t the Nazi thumb have a fake law firm?
Now what we gonna do about it because saying, "this is completely false" and that he "is out to destroy our republic" doesn't actually accomplish anything
Apparently.
I know.
I know.
AFT for hiring him...
No, Stephen Miller does not have a law degree. He earned a bachelor's degree in political science from Duke University in 2007. He is a political advisor and speechwriter, not a lawyer.
PERSON, not citizen.
Just sayin’.
Get more insurrection
(Btw he is not President, he is incapable of holding federal office 18 usc 2383)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383
I'm curious if I'd be deported from Canada for crossing illegally?? 🤔🤔🤔
Scalia might wanna get those glasses checked. 😅🤣🤣
AFTER DUE PROCESS.
And if you don't know who Scalia is, you might be a Russian disinformation troll.
Let’s ask Retired Federal Judge Michael Luttig his opinion about this shitty drivel.
Resist.
Do not tell us " xx people have broken the law" if there are no actions to hold them to account.
DO SOMETHING!!
Otherwise, government can just decide (without due process) that someone is part of a group that doesn’t get due process. And then deny them due process for the thing government is accusing them.
"He kept himself to himself" neighbours talking about a serial killer vibe where he turns out he set fire to a Gerbil when he was 8.
https://open.substack.com/pub/criticalresistance/p/the-strategist-no-one-voted-for-how?r=9aefk&utm_medium=ios
They are sociopaths. Don’t forget it.
Choose which side you will fight for, illegals or American citizens. Be it the homeless, vets, the poor who need it.
Maybe even you if ever you pulled your head out.
More on that.
R 💙
Opportunity Knocks!
Fucking hurry up.
Uh-uh, Dark Lord: Constitutional rights don’t work like that.
That’s like saying they don’t get to breathe because the air is for citizens only.
#PABCheated
#KamalaWon
WHY ARE WE ALLOWING THIS TO GO ON??? WE THE PEOPLE!!
Unless you think just making a blanket assumption that all brown people are illegals is sufficient. Ah, that's it, isn't it?
Desantis: “There’s not going to be authorization to just shoot somebody like that, but when somebody’s got a backpack on and they’re breaking through the wall, you know, that’s hostile intent and you have every right to take action under those circumstances.”
By the way, I'm looking to find housing for a few migrants that are trying to avoid ICE detention. If you or anyone else is able to assist...
Glad to see UUs listed. We don't get mentioned much.
miller--"yea, but there's's so much more pushback to our policies than yours. why?"
obama--"don't know. you know what i don know?"
miller--"what's that?"
obama--"it can't be racism!! 😎" https://www.texastribune.org/2014/10/02/obama-administration-breaks-own-deportation-record/
Btw, if you or anyone you know can house a couple of beautiful migrants that are trying to stay away from ICE, please let me know!!
they were so strong.
If Birthright citizenship is removed, can anyone be declared illegal anymore?
But if you really want to know. I think every immigrant that wants to be here should be allowed to stay, Obama sucked in that regard.
https://medium.com/@scott.huminski/weaponized-justice-floridas-legacy-now-threatens-the-nation-0cde683e6084
No mention of " criminal defendant ".
Herr Gruppenfuhrer Miller is nothing less than a traitorous white supremacist.
Sadly, competence makes no difference when the base is a cult.
This guy is behind every dangerous policy trump is pursuing
– Shaughnessy v. United States (1953)