I know I am being a hypocrite because I never bothered to do homework in school, but anyone who is caught doing assignments with AI should be banned from Colleges and Universities on a whole.
Unless its associated working WITH AI on a programing level. But then again I hate AI. >_>
These people had the GREAT fortune to go to a higher learning where I couldn't afford to go (or it was I didn't want to, either or). They were screened, they were accepted, and they get to be where the hot people are.
You can't hack it? Flunk out with some dignity. >:/
Nah not hypocritical. I’m still a chronic homework procrastinator because of ADHD. But I avoid it honestly—it’s my own fault. Using AI to do homework is imho WORSE than not doing the work or even cheating, it’s cheating by poisoning yourself.
Using AI should be grounds for suspension at least but even then people will still do it, just like they cheat during lockdown browser tests. I guess a lot of boards figure it’s better to have them in class and paying tuition…
it's not difficult to thwart AI with lesson planning, and it's worth noting that an "A" grade in a writing class only means you submitted a tiny number of working drafts in a limited time frame
This is so incredibly depressing to me. I had a 12 year question why he needed to learn how to write an essay today if ai could just do it for you. I said that the idea of presenting your thoughts logically and backing them up with credible sources is good life skill
And he was on board for a second when I said, you might need to do research for a company or write a business proposal. Then he said, “But couldn’t I just get ai to do that for me, too”? 😩 and I pointed out that he wouldn’t know what it was saying
And then another kid threw in with “what if you wrote you wife a letter with ai?” And they seemed to think this was the dumbest thing and they conceded that maybe it shouldn’t do everything. I don’t know. Maybe there is hope. I can’t tell.
"Now that we rely on it..." well, don't? I never even opened chatGPT, i skip over every google ai result if i forget to add -ai. It's really easy to not defer the thinking to a text predictor program actually
@strasz.bsky.social Christ... This is really happening now, huh.
I've seen some examples of this outcome in a sense from <=21 yr olds in recent years, which I attributed to one growing up with the 2010's Internet and short-form video feeds being one's world-view maker. But this attacks the last..
It’s a combo of Covid making cheating a lot more easy, TikTok, the impact of NCLB, whole-word learning, and just a general culture of anti-intellectualism.
..bastion against this (in my view), where post-secondary education even fails to educate. Secondary education at least stateside has been bad enough to make university-level specialization a literal essential to participate in middle-class life, and now that's hastily becoming a shaky foundation.
I could feasibly go back to university and get a degree in which I know little beyond the bare minimum, as long as I keep up that $20/mo ChatGPT subscription and use it effectively to escape having to commit critical thought. I can absolutely see a way to do that today.
There's really no way anyone could do that with my undergrad degree. They might get a few assignments right but they'd fail every test, reading quiz, and paper. The way its structured, we had to do too much original research for LLM to be useful even as a grammar/syntax checker.
Yup. I establish grammar hardcore early on. ChatGPT doesn’t know about prepositional phrases or subordinate clauses, because most people don’t know about them, even published authors.
I've hired these people before. On top of not having any sort of critical thinking skills, they can't type a professional email. They can't type on a keyboard at all actually. They are sad shells of human beings, and very very prone to breakdowns over tiny things.
And has only been talked about in this way for less than a year… a lot of stuff took this turn around the time musk took over Twitter, if you think about it.
The way this narrative popped up overnight. It’s literally just “someone said we rely on it so I guess we do, and now I do too”
This is what leaves me most flabbergasted. It's not like a technology that's had time to slowly embed and grow around people's routines and foundations. One day it was just here and people are acting like the world didn't work before it.
It's distressing how willing these people are abandon thinking for themselves.
Plus, college is expensive. No matter how much I was dedicated to goofing off and hanging out with my friends in college, I was also very aware that I was paying a lot of money to learn stuff.
Shitty, lazy work: yes, but 'what would Freire think!' isn't the philosophical slap-down they think it is. A Freirean perspective would be that AI's used this way is a logical extension of traditional education's purpose: to de-humanise and oppress. The institution is part of the problem.
The short in-class, on-paper writing assignments I give student show they're still very much capable of thinking and give them an opportunity to do that. Responsibility lies on the profs who continue to insist on online writing who are now knowingly cheating them. Pick up a goddamn pencil folks.
yeah so does my school. its not helpful for me. I'm trying to make a point that the response to people using AI to cheat just hurts the people who are already struggling
There’s just no blanket solution that doesn’t punish some people who aren’t doing anything wrong or reward the cheaters. AI helps no one but teachers going back to written assignments has actually hurt performance too. There needs to be an overhaul/re examining of things…
This thing that didn't exist two years ago, and which on the best of days only barely works, and which is insanely expensive, not to mention broadly despised, is something people allegedly can't imagine living without.
They all are. Every single one of these AI pushers - Altman and his peers - in a healthy society would have been driven off into the wilderness to starve.
And also hold genuine contempt for anyone who reminds them of this. RFK Jr and Trump were able to get away with it bc they were born rich, but people support them bc they wish they had the ability to also do so.
I went back to college to finish my BA degree when I was in my 50s. The most satisfying part of college for me was being challenged to think and arrange my thoughts on paper. To write and rewrite until I felt I had clearly made my point. What these poor students are getting addicted to is laziness.
Some schools are telling professors and their graders that they have to let kids use some ChatGPT, assuming because it would be too hard to not let them and a fail based on that that ended up being wrong would be a nightmare to deal with.
Technically it would count as academic dishonesty and in most places would result in suspension/expulsion. But if they did that every time, most classes would only have a handful of people left
I got to see that recently of someone using ai for a lesson plan and told their advisor that they used ai, the advisor said "you failed this one" which good like there are so many resources out there and you go to the worst possible one
this seems like an overblown problem with an easy solution that is as old as the concept of formal education: the in-class essay.
you can still assign take home papers! but you should also make those kids sit and write without outside help. and then you have a baseline for their writing to compare.
I haven't done it because of a couple issues. Namely if you make it innocuous enough to go unnoticed when kids skim it, you might cause real problems for a kid who's actually trying to do the assignment. What if a kid is reading it on a dark mode screen and sees the text and thinks it's part of it?
That's true, but I feel like academia's been like that for a while.
When I was in college, one of the requirements for essays was that they had to be run through Turnitin, which was (is?) not always that great at judging plagiarism
If I'd had 'include Finland/Dua Lipa' in one of my assignments I'd just bloody well have done it. It would've demonstrated that I'd read the damned assignment.
...& if they'd used bloody SEO-spamming techniques, we'd be having WORDS, & that conversation would AT MINIMUM loop in their chair.
This raises the question of what exactly it means to 'read' the assignment. When the trap prompt is between lines and in white text, it's clearly intended to be read by machines and to go unnoticed by a human reader. It may be reasonable to expect a human who discovers such text to disregard it.
I would personally regard that as unethical, but as an undergrad, I can see why someone wouldn't press the issue.
OTOH as a person w/accessibility conformance in his portfolion, I can tell you that tactic is a violation of Title II of the ADA because screen-reader users will get those instructions.
(I go to Title II - which isn't in force for another year at most places - specifically because that's where it becomes legally unambiguous. RIGHT NOW it'd be nonconformant with WCAG 2.x AA & so would...have been*...viewed as a violation of Section 508 accessibiliity requirements.)
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*prior to DOGE
We have reached the end of human knowledge. No one will write anything again, and AI has only been trained on writing up to about 2022, so, we’re cooked.
If only. The absolute slop that passes for 'news' on so many sites is dreadful - and someone's name is always at the top, they've been paid as a 'journalist' to 'write' the article 🤦
Friend of mine is a teacher and she creates her questions to reference their specific textbook so it's easy to spot AI answers which are generic or off topic. Still a lot of extra hassle.
As someone with ADHD who uses numerous textbooks to expand comprehension for the subject matter, this would suck if my needs made the professor think I was a plagiarist.
I have not stuck to a single textbook for any subject since high school.
My question is, are teachers giving points for these essays? I feel like in school we were told if an essay was found to be plagiarized you got an automatic 0. Seems like the same should go for AI. Do the work or fail the class.
At our uni, essays that are suspected of GenAI are supposed to be forwarded to an academic integrity unit after you meet with the student. While it is hard to prove the use of GenAI, there are often hallucinations and concocted sources which are also offences and lead to similar sanctions.
The problem I’ve had is that it’s hard to tell with 100% certainty, and I’m not willing to charge a student with cheating if I don’t have hard evidence like fake quotes or sources. What happens is I grade harder on the merits and bad writing is bad for all the usual reasons except surface error.
My feeling as a former educator is that teachers & professors will have to incorporate AI into their assignments. For example, have them bring in an AI essay to revise & edit based on specific examples from class teachings & explain why they agree or disagree with what's presented in the AI version.
Using LLM in the classroom is anti-education. It doesnt matter how you try to use it, its entire point is to think for people. Therefore LLM as currently constructed just simply cant be used for education. Make a small, closed, data set curated by humans and apply an algorithm instead if you want AI
When I was in college, this sort of academic dishonesty would get you brought in front of the Honor Board. At best you'd likely fail the class and be put on probation. Depending on severity you might be expelled.
Stupify the students is the goal. They can never leave the motherland, absolutely no other country will hire them. Innovationnand manufacture goes to the AI gods. Humans become cattle.
Unfortunately, that wouldn’t work for disabled students. In college I wrote my assignments through dictation because I have dysgraphia. Well, I guess oral exams would be another option.
Exactly. I have dyspraxia and in school I had to dictate my exam work to a SEN teacher. Getting to university and being able to submit everything as a computer file is a godsend. It’s sad that people have abused the trust in the system.
These are a good start in making assignments more accessible, but a lot of people blank under the pressure of timed conditions and need time / their own environment to organise thoughts, find the right words and formulate their answers.
I like the idea of requiring track changes or drafts/notes.
I had a class in college where the tests consisted of writing a timed essay in a physical paper book by hand and I'm just baffled that it doesn't seem to occur as an option to anyone
It's an inaccessible option for a lot of people, for various different reasons. Physically and cognitively - lots of ppl blank under timed conditions & need time and their own environment to organise ideas and formulate their answers.
I like the idea of requiring track changes or drafts/notes tho.
I had a discussion with a chem prof I know years ago about how bad assessment is, and how tests test test-taking, that having students regularly discuss research/papers means you know they’re doing the work, etc. But it’s even more labor intensive, so Baumol effect.
Arguably, dividing topics up in an arbitrary way and focusing on grades at all makes the system susceptible to all of this - but good luck making a radical departure as an institution and keeping accreditation.
terrible metaphor, did his friend ask cgpt to write that? A nailgun may eradicate 95% of the effort of driving a nail, but that doesn't mean the nailgun pretends to know how to frame a house (and proceed to frame a house badly anyways). Making the work easier != doing the work for you.
As for, 'would a partner be angry if I used cgpt to generate them a poem?' Yes! As they fucking should be! 'The level of effort I want to put into this relationship and you is asking a shambling mound of code to fake a sincere emotional effort'. Hideous.
This Lee guy is wd do the AI poem in a second, leaving his actual personality out of the relationship. Does he have any actual personality? Doesn’t sound like it- just a tech DJT - money driven, transactional.
Legit on Monday we had an entire class where my professor, a distinguished and highly published research doctor, showed us how ChatGPT will hallucinate by asking it about her journals, and it either credited her work to a different doctor, or made up journals she never wrote.
Watching her responses to it get angrier and angrier in real time was exceptionally funny. She had to feed the thing the full name of one of her journals along with the DOI number before it went "OH YEAH HERE'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR :)" and finally posted the literacy journal.
I idly stuck my name into Grand Theft GPT or whatever its called and discovered that I am 'particularly noted for appearances and collaborations with (redacted), an online resource and YouTube channel'. Yeah...no I'm not.
Nearly, but that still requires a human to input a decent pattern/file to tell it what to print.
I don't have a better analogy though. Maybe it's like getting AI to generate a pattern for a 3D object based on 'analysing' a 2D image then being surprised when it churns out something that collapses.
I've been seeing similar in the woodworking community for years, people who use lasers to cut designs, do a crappy finish and call it woodworking. Not even their designs, they buy patterns and fonts. And that's it, that's the extent of what they do.
But for the 12 years before that they were told the only value of education is getting the right answer on the test. Thinking outside that goal is highly discouraged. So of course they think this way - its what K-12 taught them. Its the NCLB working as intended.
In my pedagogy I've spent the past few years *deliberately* moving away from timed, test-like environments
Why do I care how well a student has memorized for recall in a 90-minute time frame? I want students to be able to create and synthesize ideas over a longer and more deliberate length of time
The whole point of writing a college term paper is that it sends you to the library, it gets you to synthesize ideas, to understand how to use other people's work to reinforce your ideas, and how to craft a sophisticated argument
Having me stand behind them like a cop is bad for all of that
As an English major, I often failed those essays. I don’t do well in that testing environment. Had one professor hand it back to me saying “this doesn’t reflect your skills I see in discussion. Rewrite it over the weekend and I’ll regrade”
You never had an essay assigned to be completed at home? Like... did you ever have a 20 page term paper to research and organize and edit all semester?
Not being snarky. Just curious what your experience was, as I see you are an economist. My econ classes past the 101 level were like 100% papers written at home.
Hope those kids realize they're literally pushing their universities to start requiring they come on campus and into a controlled environment just to work on homework and essays.
They don’t. People like this literally aren’t thinking outside themselves. They’ll talk about cheating in monitored group chats and advise others to do it, then blame the teacher when caught. They never learned how to handle college work like an adult with adult emotions/responsibility
Using chatGPT to write shit for you is like getting in a taxi, telling the driver to take you to the airport, and bragging about how you know how to navigate the city.
Agree 100%, but there's also this *wink wink* side to college education in which it is simply a gatekeeper to certain echelons of society. It feels to me as there has been quite a drift from the actual education mission over the last ~50 years.
No, not like that. It may not be haute cusine, but you can be quite sure a ready meal is edible. ChatGPT will confidently give you a recipe containing glue and sawdust with an arsenic topping.
Bragging you know how to navigate the city to a group of destitute people standing around you because the taxi dropped you off under a bridge in the middle of nowhere.
The students don’t brag about knowing anything (other than how to cheat) — they just think it’s brilliant to get out of doing the actual work. They don’t brag they know how to navigate — they brag they know how to get into a taxi. Chew on that for a minute.
Except the taxi driver might not know how to navigate the city. The taxi driver speaks the correct language and has whatever first name is the most common name of taxi drivers in that city - but is otherwise chosen at random
Look, I have been an adjunct and writing instructor for nearly 20 years.
Everyone knows the only way you can solve this is by reorienting university education around undergraduate instruction, but there's not a chance in hell tenured faculty will do that, and there's no point talking about it.
Mark the whole point of assigning you an essay is to help you to learn how to write and think, there is no "value proposition" re: what some college sophomore writes about the Peninsular Campaign or whatever, no one is going to read it for any reason other than to evaluate how well you're learning
think of how many people will want to read a random 17 year old’s essay on how wealth inequality is portrayed in The Great Gatsby. Consumers will be lining up, dying to hear these high school and college essays
Plus, essays being so damn long is kind of insane with the world that we have on board these days! Why make them so long like that in the first place?!
Yeah, literally the whole point of coding homework is to get you to internalize the concepts and understand them as a part of your problem solving toolkit.
The homework WAS the useful bit of my software schooling.
Simply getting a solution without understanding it is worthless.
Hell yes.
I would never have used AI in well taught courses that I actually cared about, nor were their grades even important to me. I made good contacts with the profs and learned actual skills.
But in the many poorly taught courses I had to pass, I certainly would have considered it.
For others, they HAVE to use their time for other things—like work. Student poverty is a seriously issue, at least here in Australia, particularly amongst international students.
If the teachers required an electronic copy with track changes turned on then it would be simple to see who cut and pasted from an LLM and who wrote their essay properly.
Definitely need evidence for the claim that students do it due to anxiety and the state of the world, it is really weak
Plus it always comes down to us teachers working even more and hard and sacrificing even more standards for the latest pedagogical fad that changes every 5 years
I don’t think it’s mysterious when we treat grad students like they’ve been indentured and throw barely/non-adults into decades of debt over the *possibility* of likely having an eventual job that *also* cannot buy a home anywhere they want to live
Teachers can be overworked and underpaid AND students are wildly unprepared and literally fighting for their future happiness. This country is fucking evil
Yes, reevaluating and reworking school curricula and educators' lesson plans seems like a more rational approach than the absurd "let's try to completely ban AI / LLM models."
It's never going to happen.
So they really need to just get over it and adapt - or lose their job to folks who can.
a fucking english teacher failing to understand the importance of a coherent narrative vision or intention or meaning behind the words in a piece... predictive text can only string together commonly associated words, without any comprehension of the ideas being represented by those words.
Ikr. I remember struggling with my Lit coursework
Like I struggle today if I have a block writing something
But the point is : we learn by using our brains and then peer reviewing etc. The joy and pain of it is part of the process.
And being able to say “I did that, wow, I CAN do that”
Yes, "prompt injection" is a real thing. Many students know of this and scan for it, but there are enough students who don't so that it may make sense to try this approach. Usually, though not always, the students who end up cheating aren't necessarily the brightest bulb in the pack :-/
But also fuck that student who warned her classmates on TikTok. I would've had her ass removed from the class because clearly she's cool with cheating on her assignments and getting the rest of the class to do it too.
The whole damnable idea that A.I. will do our thinking for us has me about as whipped up about negative—vaguely unintended—possibilities for the future as I was when "smart" phones began to infect daily life. Cultural enthusiasm for "disruptive" technologies is gonna get humanity's butt SPANKED.
Laura Bush's never to be sufficiently damned "No Child Left Behind" program that severely pushed Standardized Test Scores over actual education. Modern education is all about wrote memorization. The entire system is rigged against the younger generation to make them incurious at a young age.
It’s genuinely extraordinary what my students don’t know. They didn’t know what the Final Solution was. None knew what the filibuster was. Whole-word learning is also the bane of information acquisition.
I have a lot of family in education so I got a second row seat to the nightmare. It breaks my heart for the younger generation. The teachers try their best, but with so much "necessary" for the STS, they barely have enough time for a Q&A on a lesson, let alone substantive education.
they don't "give up on work" they just figure out that the whole school thing is a rigged game.
later on, as their brains develop and they gain experience, they begin to understand that schooling is a resource. but that doesn't happen for everyone or at the same time.
teachers giving out bullshit assignments and busy-work train students to treat all assignments as bullshit busy-work. Turn off your critical thinking, eliminate your creativity, and blast out 3 pages of boring, rote "analysis".
I can say for sure that high schoolers and college students are and I’d bet middle schoolers are given the current gen of middle schoolers has never existed without social media. The younger they are when these things become widespread, the more normal it seems
The high school kids were in middle school during the pandemic, the college kids were in high school. A LOT of this feels like it traces back to how things changed during/after lockdown. I’ve NEVER seen SO MANY people cheat in every class as post pandemic
I think its cuz covid broke the last illusion that schools were for education. Kids arent stupid - they see that K-12 isnt about learning but about getting an answer the right shape. LLM can do that. No teacher can convince the kids otherwise b/c...well...school isnt about learning.
“Now that we rely on it” It has been TWO FUCKING YEARS, you lost the ability to independently function entirely? You spent most of your life without this!
"cognitive ability to think" would have me folding a paper dart and throwing it directly into the fail bucket if it were written by anybody over the age of thirteen. Did they not even proof read the first line? Or are US students even dimmer bulbs then we fear?
Whole word learning has been horrific. I’d also say that my students have great critical thinking skills, just no information. It’s like a computer without data; it doesn’t work.
Uhhh… good researchers don’t just google. There are plenty of academic platforms (EBSCO, JSTOR etc). Or you can do, you know, what people always did before smart phones and work.
Plus a lot of municipal libraries make those and similar platforms available online for free to card holders. I have like four library cards not counting my college and so can access a dozen plus search engines and catalogs. its not hard.
You do know that there are other people than researchers, right? Like any high-school student or college student at the textbook level? For essays, homework, etc.? For those on the internet even to find the right keywords and names to then use in JSTOR et al. is starting to become impossible.
It is not natural. It requires practice. Have humans declined cognitively? I trust that with practice this generation can accomplish everything former generations accomplished with the same practice.
Or, alternatively, we can surrender and allow people to wallow in ignorance and misinformation.
You say it is harder to find good sources. I disagree. I think it is far easier than the days of, say, card catalogs. In many disciplines, much of the work is done for you. You can say they are not researchers, but employing basic research skills is 101-level.
I would say it's 100% for that reason. In a perfect storm combining AI being crammed into search engines and AI-generated slop webpages being promoted by search engines.
I remember an article from a long time ago about students at a university abroad. They were taught that finding the information was the task, not processing it, so they saw nothing wrong with cutting and pasting text and presenting it as their work.
As per the article, that is what their educational system had taught them up to the university level. The university had a hard time pushing back against it because the students were taught regurgitation and rote memorization up until that point.
I tried to use it few time out of curiosity because I couldn't find answer in any search engine. Only hallucinations made up out of few top pages in Google, none even close to a solution.
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Unless its associated working WITH AI on a programing level. But then again I hate AI. >_>
These people had the GREAT fortune to go to a higher learning where I couldn't afford to go (or it was I didn't want to, either or). They were screened, they were accepted, and they get to be where the hot people are.
You can't hack it? Flunk out with some dignity. >:/
They are dismissed without refund. We can already see the results of people 'attending' to specific colleges and they're
f-cking stupid.
I mean just, grandiose, absolutely zero kind of education, stupid.
<_< (writes grandiose down to use later.)
Perhaps a 1.2 step program.
https://bsky.app/profile/sinistercinemastudios.art/post/3lolmqo46yc23
Also: the writer is an AI chatbot.
Also: YOU, the reader, are an AI chatbot, and have been this whole time!
https://udm14.com
#EliminateMostAI #HoldTechbrosAccountable #BreakUpBigTech
I've seen some examples of this outcome in a sense from <=21 yr olds in recent years, which I attributed to one growing up with the 2010's Internet and short-form video feeds being one's world-view maker. But this attacks the last..
Do I laugh or cry?
The way this narrative popped up overnight. It’s literally just “someone said we rely on it so I guess we do, and now I do too”
Plus, college is expensive. No matter how much I was dedicated to goofing off and hanging out with my friends in college, I was also very aware that I was paying a lot of money to learn stuff.
But in my case, as someone with ADHD, in class writing assignments make my brain blank out. Even though I’m a great writer, creative or academic.
It gets a whole lot easier if you actually *try* to
But if all ever you do is just tell a computer to imagine things for you, then there's probably a lot of things you can't imagine
I think this is less about laziness than about people (young and old) accepting they aren't experts at birth.
Look at RFK Jr, Trump, and Musk to see what happens when people think they're experts and can't be convinced otherwise.
Fake it and fuck it.
2. Admin takes their side because they're "paying customers."
you can still assign take home papers! but you should also make those kids sit and write without outside help. and then you have a baseline for their writing to compare.
When I was in college, one of the requirements for essays was that they had to be run through Turnitin, which was (is?) not always that great at judging plagiarism
...& if they'd used bloody SEO-spamming techniques, we'd be having WORDS, & that conversation would AT MINIMUM loop in their chair.
OTOH as a person w/accessibility conformance in his portfolion, I can tell you that tactic is a violation of Title II of the ADA because screen-reader users will get those instructions.
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*prior to DOGE
I have not stuck to a single textbook for any subject since high school.
'fake it til you make it' is considered perfectly normal and nothing to do with poor mental health etc.
this is simply capitalism.
capitalism is the epicentre of cheating.
https://aiedchair.bnu.edu.cn/%E6%95%99%E8%82%B2%E9%83%A8%E5%8A%9E%E5%85%AC%E5%8E%85%E5%85%B3%E4%BA%8E%E5%8A%A0%E5%BC%BA%E4%B8%AD%E5%B0%8F%E5%AD%A6%E4%BA%BA%E5%B7%A5%E6%99%BA%E8%83%BD%E6%95%99%E8%82%B2%E7%9A%84%E9%80%9A%E7%9F%A5/
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-beijing-ai-education-mandatory-classrooms-elementary-schoolers-2025-3
It feels (based on bsky vibes) that US educators are mostly anti-AI, whereas China is going for a teacher-student-machine learning model.
Though its unknowable how views will change, even short-term.
Stupify the students is the goal. They can never leave the motherland, absolutely no other country will hire them. Innovationnand manufacture goes to the AI gods. Humans become cattle.
I like the idea of requiring track changes or drafts/notes.
I like the idea of requiring track changes or drafts/notes tho.
Building a house with "tools" more analogous to AI would be if you 3D printed the house using a two-story machine
I don't have a better analogy though. Maybe it's like getting AI to generate a pattern for a 3D object based on 'analysing' a 2D image then being surprised when it churns out something that collapses.
Why do I care how well a student has memorized for recall in a 90-minute time frame? I want students to be able to create and synthesize ideas over a longer and more deliberate length of time
Having me stand behind them like a cop is bad for all of that
like...the point isn't to move the weights from point A to point B, it's to get stronger/better as a person
Look, I prompted what kind of steak it should be! Without me there would be no steak!
Seems like a real good way to weed these lazy shitheads out.
This is the inevitable result of requiring a college degree to get a decent job.
Everyone knows the only way you can solve this is by reorienting university education around undergraduate instruction, but there's not a chance in hell tenured faculty will do that, and there's no point talking about it.
The homework WAS the useful bit of my software schooling.
Simply getting a solution without understanding it is worthless.
"We have to consider the arsonist's..." No we don't.
I would never have used AI in well taught courses that I actually cared about, nor were their grades even important to me. I made good contacts with the profs and learned actual skills.
But in the many poorly taught courses I had to pass, I certainly would have considered it.
Plus it always comes down to us teachers working even more and hard and sacrificing even more standards for the latest pedagogical fad that changes every 5 years
It's never going to happen.
So they really need to just get over it and adapt - or lose their job to folks who can.
Makes me want to cry
Like I struggle today if I have a block writing something
But the point is : we learn by using our brains and then peer reviewing etc. The joy and pain of it is part of the process.
And being able to say “I did that, wow, I CAN do that”
I don't see that as a new problem.
(Full disclosure I hate ChatGPT with the fury of a thousand suns)
they don't "give up on work" they just figure out that the whole school thing is a rigged game.
later on, as their brains develop and they gain experience, they begin to understand that schooling is a resource. but that doesn't happen for everyone or at the same time.
Or
Give a prompt to ChatGPT and go play XBox.
i feel for the teachers who assumed good faith and praised these students for getting better.
“…”
“These go to eleven.”
Or, alternatively, we can surrender and allow people to wallow in ignorance and misinformation.
🙏✍️ thks , though!
I tried to use it few time out of curiosity because I couldn't find answer in any search engine. Only hallucinations made up out of few top pages in Google, none even close to a solution.
Fuck all this.