The latest in a long line of terrible humans seeing if they can destroy people lives before asking if they should. If only sociopaths were seen as bad instead of rewarded.
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All the coverage of Hay-on-Wye and no one is mentioning the Society of Authors' big campaign to get the gov't to stand againt AI companies ignoring copyright and plundering authors' works.
So other people should give up their rights so he can use their hard work to make shitty work for which he gets exclusive rights to the profits, and otherwise he can't make bank, is that the argument?
It's how the wealthy get their money in most cases. Not from the ground up w/ hard work & determination... rather how can they STEAL the most from the ones who worked hard to achieve success. The wealthy just want to exploit the work & profit while stepping on the neck of original creators. MONSTERS
I’ve always thought AI could still have existed, and perhaps in a form that was beneficial to all and developed over decades, not years if they’d simply taken that one decision to ask first.
As it stands I can’t see it doing anything but eat itself.
I know it is a truism but where AI is developed for profit there will be skullduggery.
Could AI development work if research & development had to be licensed and non-profit making?
I really don't know.
As far as I know there's still a lot of non-LLM research into e.g. machine learning and so on for science. A lot of that just isn't as glamorous or as far-reaching. But ultimately likely more impactful on society as a whole.
Currently LLMs are just seen as profit machines, yeah
it WAS working before, I kid you not, Elon Musk dropped a moneybag on OpenAi and suddenly they started asking "why are we bothering to hire people with 'ethics' training? They're holding us back!"
This even being up for debate shows where the money is coming from. If it was an indy start-up doing this the media companies would have sued them into the ground. But the suits think they can get rich from this.
AI digital graphics would die if they were not allowed to illegally steal original creators' creations. It's slowly killing off professional designer's jobs.
Is, that guy actually complaining he can't just easily copy things, and it's making his made up job of copying things difficult? This timeline is so dumb.
What do you expect from these assholes? They don’t care about us. They think they are gods. We have to destroy them at the same time we destroy the Republican Party.
With all that they claim AI is capable of, Clegg’s statement broadcasts that The Owners would rather AI not do this particular thing. If allowed, they eliminate true intelligence from the conceptualization of AI.
That's the former deputy British Prime Minister.
I knew that name sounded familiar.
Can't say that I'm shocked that he continues being just close enough to relevance to highlight exactly why he remains irrelevant when it comes to public discourse on policy matters.
It’s true! Making people pay for the IP they use in the process of educating an artificial intelligence would make it impossible to make an artificial intelligence— just like forcing parents to pay for things like books and college courses and private schools has made human intelligence impossible.
This is the same one who then proudly said "the thing we swapped it for was so appalling the courts wouldn't let them do it" as though that ought to be a source of pride
The thing is: the industry was alive before AI. So, what industry is this person talking about.
If they are meaning "their" industry, then fuck off. If they are meaning our industry, then we can talk. But I don't think is related to AI in any way.
Cuchulu is using AI in the general sense, not the marketing sense. Google map directions are AI. Screen readers for the blind are AI. The microwave that detects if your food is producing steam yet or not is AI.
OpenAI should be ASHAMED of trying to put itself in the same box as them!
This reminds of when all those smaller “mom and pop” businesses said they couldn’t afford to pay their employees a livable wage. Oh well, then you don’t get to have a business.
Hmm... Nothing sociopathic in this... There will always be people who use others (exploiters) and people who get used (the exploited)... People who rule over others and the ones who serve... That just how the human society worked since ancient times... 😭😭😭
Our society has been celebrating sociopaths since it's inception. Silicon Valley is the most terrifying example. I lived there for a decade. Sociopaths were the show and her considered geniuses.
Trade protectionism from technological advances is a fools errand. As a (poor) student of history, we know about things like despotism and trade wars and how stupid and unproductive that all is, right? So is trade protectionism. Let’s not selectively ignore history…
Hey come round my house and try and use my art without my permission and you will need to nick a pair of legs cos your current ones are gonna bend the wrong way at the knees. AI art is fucking shit. The fucking prompters claiming to be artists can go fuck themselves.
AI will go down as the greatest theft in human history. Why don't they set up some sort of system to somehow allocate some of the money these companies make to artists and creators whos works have been stolen? God it would be so hard to do, how do you even quantify it?
So, kill the industry! Good! That's the only reason we need to uphold all copyright laws. Why were these laws so faithful adhered to for so long just to have the Stanky Tech Parasites ignore them. America, you really have to face up to your GREED
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The problem with AI LLM‘s is that they are sourced from such disperate content-– much of it fiction, even more of it unlabeled conjecture or theory—that I fear results are worthless.
Search summaries from Google’s Gemini are so riddled with errors and circular logic, the “information” is unusable.
Yeah, I’ll never understand why this country collectively chose to reward the worst kind of humans. Give them reality shows, make them CEOs and celebrities, elect them to office. Brainwashed into thinking aggression and ruthlessness makes good leaders. Such backwards thinking. It’s disgusting.
my multiple data centres the size of towns with the GDP of a European nation in technology absolutely cannot stand to give credit or royalties to a single starving human being.
You take your three data sets - Public domain, creative commons, commercial copyright. You can train on the PD with no issue. You can train on the CC if you create an attribution. And you negotiate with the artists' reps, such as a motion picture or record publisher.
The AI industry should be ended. We already had too many problems with people not comprehending copyright law when I had an Etsy shop in 2009. The mass-production thieves whining that once they bought a piece of art, they could legally tweak and sell it. Then "returning" eBooks. To hell with them.
AI doesn’t exist without artists, so get on your knees dude, kiss the ring because AI is not needed. Artists are. Also, fuck AI all the way, all day, every day.
See, on the one hand, he’s right, it would. But on the other hand, if he still thinks the industry of AI-generated images is a viable way to make money, he’s late to the party. I tolerate AI imagery solely because it’s public domain - if it wasn’t, it’d DEFINITELY be theft instead of a gray area.
So using YOUR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY goes against their ability to profit ......hmmmm I do a small bit of writing I have NEVER USED AI and I never will because stealing is dishonest but the balls to Demand they steal from you is beyond disgusting
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If I listen to music am I allowed to remember it? Am I allowed to use it as an inspiration for my own creations? I did not get that permission. Science, arts and civilization stands on the shoulders of giants.
You sure as hell aren't allowed to put on a public performance of it, in whole or in part, and you're especially not allowed to make money of of such a performance. THAT is the law, worldwide, since the Berne convention of 1886
An "Industry" built on theft of others work is not an industry. OK. Let's do away with the legal profession and Judges as it is prohibitive to the bank robber industry and retail theft sectors. Who could thrive if it weren't for those pesky lawyers...RRRRAGGGGYYYY
Kill the industry you say? By properly licencing as opposed to stealing intellectual property? If that is the business model, the industry deserves to be killed.
You have to love how when the rich live off of taxpayers or stealing other people's stuff they bitch and whine about how taking it away from them would "kill" their industry yet try to argue down the reality that taking social programs away from the poor might actually kill them (the poor). Merica!!
I have a little stock video business which is down about 30% from this time last year, but god forbid a business model based on stealing people's creativity and hard work should be allowed to fail🙄
I have a lot of issues with the current copyright system. (Mainly that it takes to long for things to go into the public domain) but crap like this is why there needs to be some copyright protection.
The AI fad is consuming resources and producing significant quantities of heat, and creating noise, distraction and misinformation more than anything beneficial. Burn it down and start over with models that only provide factual data, and stop just hallucinating answers.
Former Meta executive and former claimant of £115,000 per year Public Duty Costs Allowance when he wasn't even PM. You'll never meet a more greedy, selfish mother fucking grifter than Clegg.
They were doing fine before the pandemic. Phohtoshop made some neat things with AI in the 90s like Edge Detection and Character (as in letters and numbers) Recognition
Also very worthy of note:
All this training data Meta is claiming fair use on, about 81.7tb of Books, comics and scientific articles, was pirated through torrents from LibGen. They're not even disputing it.
Source: SuperInteressante magazine ed. 475 - May 2025
If your industry has to rely on theft to exist, then perhaps we should kill such an industry. Sigh. Of course, this attitude is brought to you by the same folks who believe they should get rich by paying starvation wages.
Seems like a recurring theme: “Well, it’s quite difficult so I don’t think we should. In this world we’re imagining where a digital god can do anything”
Not defending Clegg who is a spineless, money grabbing shit, but imagine how bad student debt would have been if the Tories weren't slightly held back by the Lib Dems. They are why Students have HUGE debt.
for the simple reason that an enormous £8000 is required to replace cut government funding alone. If they are then to fulfil the extra access requirements demanded by the government, they must charge the extra £1000 simply to avoid becoming bankrupt or having to cut courses and teaching staff.
Now however, the figures have emerged, and as the smoke clears from meetings and decisions on both sides, the picture is becoming painfully clear. The top universities are all leaning towards £9000 tuition fees,
Now however, the figures have emerged, and as the smoke clears from meetings and decisions on both sides, the picture is becoming painfully clear. The top universities are all leaning towards £9000 tuition fees, for the simple reason that an enormous £8000 is required to replace cut government
After the policy went through they claimed only a tiny minority of universities would charge the highest rate, and that the sanctions imposed on those that did so would be so severe that they would somehow cow the institutions into performing access miracles of epic proportions.
they promised a fairer education system for all, with the poorest pupils paying less than they do now and a possible government waiver of fees for free school meals pupils.
Following a public outcry over top UK universities announcing their intent to charge the maximum £9000 tuition fees, Nick Clegg and his coalition government have desperately tried to defend their promises with tyrannical posturing and empty threats. Before the vote on tuition fees,
Not defending Clegg, but the country didn't elect a #LibDems govt. in 2010...
...Unlike Labour winning a *majority* government in 2001 - pledging no increases to tuition fees in their manifesto that year - and then later increasing tuition fees in 2003.
He went to bed with Cameron, and was wrong doing this, cutting student grants, By David Thorpe | Tue 25th September 2012 - 11:10 am
When he apologised for the tuition fees debacle this week, Nick Clegg went dramatically down in my estimation.
If using a copyright work to train an Ai will change the content it produces, the Ai content is surely a derivative work and the copyright owner has existing rights of control. If it doesn't change the output you don't need to use it for AI training.
Taking someone’s work without permission, without compensation is not abiding by copyright law. Copyright must prevail, especially concerning AI. AI running without copyright protection for artists will destroy multiple industries.
Symptomatic of industries that see arts as non-productive and have built platforms encouraging people to give away their creative work for free - you are looking at one.
They do all their costings based on how much electricity costs or GPUs or politicians to buy.
Paying artists doesn’t factor in.
There's millennia of public domain art and literature they could feed their models to. They could do that to show off what their tech is capable of. They could do that if their industry was about the tech. If their industry wasn't about disrupting the market and ruining creators.
We've built an "industry" that burned up a world of money with hardly any actual use cases to date, and it is also horrible for the environment. Now, if we could also steal from other people and destroy their livelihood, we might just be fine.
This repression and ignorance of the creative arts makes me think of this. A story of music where music is forbidden all controlled in a dystopian world. The fight against repression employs the only effective weapon, music!
Been there, seen it, well work a visit.
my god, folks here get *so close* to awareness that capitalism is the problem... and then veer into "we need stricter IP laws" because they're unwilling or unable to critique capitalism
it's like observing a room full of people watching that video where people pass around basketballs and viewers are asked to count how many passes happen, and everyone is so intent on the task that they don't see the giant gorilla casually walk through the scene
The Burglary industry will suffer and be unworkable if burglars aren't allowed to enter your house without permission and keep all of your stuff that they steal. This selfishness must stop!
“Tech companies demands over A1 are unworkable.” There, I fixed it for Mr Clegg (the professional grifter who helped sell out a historic political party and a nation).
these people will say, in the same breath, that they believe in a free market where everybody is free to advocate for their own enterprises under equal protection of the law
They could easily develop the AI without the creative components. But those are the easiest to monetize so they won't. What they should do is ban creative AI.
Of course they do, the billionaires are doing EVERYTHING they can to develop this and control it to make their grip on humanity complete. I think it's time for a god damn revolution, peaceful... if possible. The 1% have been screwing us ll for way too long.
I find absolutely despicable that they present the false argument as fact without even acknowledging the actual case: what is unworkable is the stealing of copyrighted works for a new service that only they desperately need to be successful (hint: it won't)
Then the industry should die. If those of us in the proletariat use copyrighted material without permission, we will suffer legal consequences. Why shouldn’t the bourgeoisie have to follow the same laws?
"yes, yes I know that is your work and intellectual property but you see I NEED you to let me have it for free, so that I can create something that I will charge for"
So respecting people's rights will kill your industry? That's simple enough. Kill the industry. Come back when it's actually a service to humans, and not the deliberate suffocation of their expression, or means to expression and livelihood.
First, fuck Nick Clegg. Fucking quisling piece of shit. Second, cry me a river. If you can't afford the costs of doing business, then you don't get to have a business. That's how the world works for the rest of us.
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Clegg was happy to be shafted by Call me Dave to massage his ego, and then went on to shaft the country
now he's shafting the creative industries
Go back to rating coeds and babes on university campuses.
It is being built on theft.
As it stands I can’t see it doing anything but eat itself.
Could AI development work if research & development had to be licensed and non-profit making?
I really don't know.
Currently LLMs are just seen as profit machines, yeah
Civilisations simply end up building destructive AI because they don’t listen to the artists.
Every profession that doesn't have a powerful well funded political lobby will soon be reduced to a series of card-swipeable kiosks.
Notice too they started with the professions they're the most jealous and resentful of...creatives.
Now the snakeoil broligarchs own their own lawyer politicians!
Fixed it for you, Nick
I knew that name sounded familiar.
Can't say that I'm shocked that he continues being just close enough to relevance to highlight exactly why he remains irrelevant when it comes to public discourse on policy matters.
If they are meaning "their" industry, then fuck off. If they are meaning our industry, then we can talk. But I don't think is related to AI in any way.
OpenAI should be ASHAMED of trying to put itself in the same box as them!
Law against selling cocaine will make the dig dealing industry unworkable.
Some people really need to think before they open their mouths.
these people should only be in the news because they are going to prison
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Search summaries from Google’s Gemini are so riddled with errors and circular logic, the “information” is unusable.
they want to be digital feudal lords.
makes sense.
You take your three data sets - Public domain, creative commons, commercial copyright. You can train on the PD with no issue. You can train on the CC if you create an attribution. And you negotiate with the artists' reps, such as a motion picture or record publisher.
with this new fraud they want to kill everything, starting with creative people
https://bsky.app/profile/symbo1ics.bsky.social/post/3lbunk5vgwk2b
All this training data Meta is claiming fair use on, about 81.7tb of Books, comics and scientific articles, was pirated through torrents from LibGen. They're not even disputing it.
Source: SuperInteressante magazine ed. 475 - May 2025
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/01/20/pmqs-students-grant-poorest_n_9027600.html
...Unlike Labour winning a *majority* government in 2001 - pledging no increases to tuition fees in their manifesto that year - and then later increasing tuition fees in 2003.
http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/2001/2001-labour-manifesto.shtml
When he apologised for the tuition fees debacle this week, Nick Clegg went dramatically down in my estimation.
It’s not artificial intelligence, it’s someone else’s.
Nothing could go worse for me in the western world.
For realsies.
‘Ok.’
https://bsky.app/profile/tnl.net/post/3lmqj7533622y
I actually had my hands around his throat at one point.
Such a missed opportunity.
Some of those ideas even involve Nick, so he can still be a part of the solution.
Does anyone miss NFTs or the Metaverse?
They do all their costings based on how much electricity costs or GPUs or politicians to buy.
Paying artists doesn’t factor in.
Is that a promise, seems like a bargain!
No, we're not criminals, we just look the part.
Been there, seen it, well work a visit.
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Books like ...
The Responsibilities of Democracy
Politics Between the Extremes
How To STOP BREXIT
How to Save The Internet
Over to you Nick
capitalism is the gorilla
It's bonkers that so many folks think strict IP laws and strong IP enforcement are pro-worker policies.
Capitalism is the problem. Adding even more capitalism won't make things better.
lololololololol
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/nick-clegg-work-train-ai-l6xl5djb7
https://www.techpolicy.press/us-house-committee-advances-10-year-moratorium-on-state-ai-regulation/
Errr, no it’s not - https://m.facebook.com/help/463983701520800
Watch this space!