I don't know how to get across to people that you cannot stop these fires once they get going with 80+ mph winds behind them. it can't be done. this is not solvable.
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On the other hand “how can the city be so ill-prepared for a fire like this” BECAUSE IT IS A NEW KIND OF FIRE. CLIMATE CHANGE IS MAKING THINGS WORSE FASTER THAN WE CAN PREPARE. “Where is city leadership” then one second later “LAFD and amber alerts told us to evacuate” … that is city leadership babe
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The Wind is a force of nature, the ONLY way to minimize the damage is to address & fix the climate change problem. Short of that, nobody can stop the wind.
Things like shitty above-ground electric lines that blow down or spark and cause fires bc PGE profits. Or companies like Nestle draining millions of gallons of ground water.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestorm
If, as they claim, wind turbines slow the wind down then we need more of them offshore as soon as possible. Solves a myriad of problems and lets them think they've won.
It's as unstoppable as a hurricane and much more deadly if you happen to roll a nat 1 on the d100 of which way the wind is blowing when the fire gets close.
If the city tells you to run, they're saying they can't save you. Listen.
https://bsky.app/profile/youranoncentral.bsky.social/post/3lfcpwuf7tc25
the few people I've seen experience 65+ for the first time thought the world was ending
80-100 sounds apocalyptic
We spend so much time not getting any pushback
It might look dumb when you already know the situation, but just taking a local city map and projecting onto it how big the fire area is can help a lot.
Also mentioning that most of it is terrain so bad you can barely get a firetruck up to it.
Staying well clear of the flaming front, shape the fire from the sides, and wait for the right fuel and wind conditions to attack it.
They are primary agency for evacuation, brush mitigation, downed wires, etc
Think like, dozens of huge blowtorches, each hundreds of feet wide.
We won't have a good estimate of deaths for several weeks but I've seen that area and it's going to be a lot higher than 11 people.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/did-mayor-karen-bass-really-221532092.html
Obviously it needed to be but they've been building to fight one kind of fire, i.e. rapid control of individual structural fires.
There's a really good PBS documentary on the Camp Fire that destroyed the town of Paradise, CA - the evacuation plan was overwhelmed immediately by the size and speed of the fire. Not the FD's fault necessarily, but
Word via a church friend in TN from the Episcopal church in Altadena is that the gas station next door to them had nearly-full tanks and all even the firefighters could do was stay far enough away as both buildings burned.
The scary thing isn't that it's malevolent; it's indifferent. The only thing humans have is each other, & sometimes that's still not enough.
If they don't want to relocate, this is what they need to do.
House should be built as as air tight as possible. If you start reading around, you will see this is where the construction industry is heading.
https://www.northernpublicradio.org/2024-09-17/these-houses-survived-one-of-the-countrys-worst-wildfires-heres-how
Metal roofs won’t save you
Advice in Australia used to be some homes were defencible (no fuel within 200 metres, flood gutters). No longer applies.
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forest strategies arent fought house to house. usually in 100s of hectares
https://bsky.app/profile/luckytran.com/post/3lfbnfhqf422m
P.S.
You can't breathe.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DElhVL6xxAN/?igsh=enY3cG1ycDc2N2Z5
Probably not, though.
If we didn't get the memo about mutual aid during the COVID pandemic, we're never getting it.
Ugh, no!!! Exactly NOT THAT!!
=no firebrigade can save us from siuch mass self-destruction
=we have to OUST alll dumb Trump followers to their bellowd chRussia!
They like firm-hand regime,or? So show it to them🦵
One of my best ever teachers would say “Some people would complain if they had a front row seat in Heaven…!”
People need to recognize there’s nuanced truth in this statement
The real issue is decades of climate inaction
There was so much we could’ve done for decades but capitalism won
The firefighters here saved countless lives.
Altadena is NOT a wealthy community.
The task was impossible, but the blame game has begun
A true seer.
Hundreds ?
Thousands ?
Might just drop the water pressure a bit
Every summer a lot of very large fires in Australia are lit by nutters or accidentally by idiots. I hope that wasn't the case over there 😭
No, my guys, it’s just drought conditions and wind, lmao.
the pacific palisades neighborhood?
All police brutality settlements should come from police retirement funds, not taxpayers.
This isnt disaster porn, it is a comp. Fossil fuel oligarchs are firebombing us.
It's not as easy as "just drop water on it"
if someone says "that's impossible" they are correct.
I've seen videos onlike of homeowners in their backyards with pumps hooked up to their pools trying to douse oncoming flames.
There is no way they have enough water to be successful.
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Those affected blame whoever involves in fighting the unstoppable tragedy. Those direct responsibles who stay still aside blame "the prophets" and will get rich with a new "chaos doctrine" oportunity. Greek tragedies always involved destiny.
Build fireproof homes.
No wood. No plastic.
Winds greatly increase #1 and #3, and amplify heat/temperatures, too.
I don't think people understand that these aren't like the old fire seasons, that we can't really contain them in the same way. Doing what we did in the past but more and harder is just ineffective.
Surely THAT will appease the volcano.
Sadly this feels more pertinent now than ever before
The entire town of Lytton, gone in minutes in 2021.
Wildfires now are a whole new level of terrifying.
Even all that oil money wasn't enough—much like Palisades. You can't just put out a fire once it starts making its own weather.
And there are the zombie fires. Truly apocalyptic.
https://blamebrampton.livejournal.com/70890.html?
Brush fires are natural. Nearly all the homes predate modern fire codes. Santa Ana winds are a regular thing.
These can all be true and are exacerbated by climate change.
Seems like a decade ago, but in fact just long enough for all the extra-watered plant growth to die off and get dried.
Unprecedented events are actually evidence FOR climate change involvement, I dunno why people are like this.
Read the last quote in this article, is all I'm sayin.
Florida Republicans completely ended climate change effects in Florida by banning them from government documents.
THAT's leadership!