People voted for a fictional Trump they made up in their heads and the question is whether the massive propaganda apparatus behind him can maintain that fiction while he does all the things many of his voters told themselves he wouldn’t do bsky.app/profile/carl... - ThreadSky

adamserwer.bsky.social • 66 days ago

People voted for a fictional Trump they made up in their heads and the question is whether the massive propaganda apparatus behind him can maintain that fiction while he does all the things many of his voters told themselves he wouldn’t do https://bsky.app/profile/carlquintanilla.bsky.social/post/3ldm75wuisc2j

Reposted from Carl Quintanilla

WAPO POLL: “.. Would you support or oppose the Trump administration doing each of the following?”

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/202...

Comments

adamserwer.bsky.social•66 days ago

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/11/trump-promises-popularity/680730/

jhall251.bsky.social•66 days ago

I wish you didn't write for the Atlantic because I would like to read your stuff. But the Atlantic's politics and paywall are a deal killer for me.

nova1966.bsky.social•65 days ago

Trump is all mouth he has increased the amount he is going to hire

dieterjosef.bsky.social•66 days ago

People will be disappointed, just like Brexit-Voters. Voting just out of contempt, uninformed, with illusionary expectations.

ruegalande.bsky.social•66 days ago

Stating the obvious, but his supporters' reality is what Fox News shows them and nothing more. This ensures we are always going to be WTF'ing while they stock up on their MAGA trucker caps. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. It's exhausting and demoralizing.

dominomask.bsky.social•66 days ago

Get ready for a lot of “The only reason (pointless unconstitutional cruelty policy) hasn’t gotten us (benefit he swore he’d arrange on day one) is because we haven’t done it HARD ENOUGH yet.”

See: the entire history of trickle-down economics not working ever.

nobodynohow.bsky.social•66 days ago

Anchor: After 14 million immigrants have been deported, with 14,000 deaths, 4,000 of which are children, housing prices continue to rise.

Trump: We still have far too many criminal immigrants. When sent back where they came from the price of everything is coming down like you've never seen before.

jeff-notheotherone.bsky.social•66 days ago

And the damage done by Milton Friedman & his cult to some other countries along the same lines: “well you just didn’t let the Free Market work long enough or in a pure environment!” Same old austerity disaster capitalism BS

johnhatchard.bsky.social•54 days ago

The final price tag for this looting of the American worker since 1980 comes to $50 trillion (US) in accumulated lost wages and benefits ...

Article thread ⏬ 20 min

kmagnacca.bsky.social•66 days ago

It’s not even that; Fox viewers are the ones who support all these things. The ones who made the difference are getting Fox and NYT’s bothsidesism filtered through five layers of a game of Telephone via social media and acquaintances.

jeff-notheotherone.bsky.social•66 days ago

Co-worker, 2018:
“If it’s not on facebook or Fox News I don’t know anything about it”

Yeah, they are fully immersed in their own version of reality. We have to keep trying to save the ones we can

rifka.bsky.social•66 days ago

with an australian hunting knife

profmarylewis.bsky.social•66 days ago

This is why we need an opposition party, which constantly reminds people what is really happening.

beckya.bsky.social•66 days ago

Yes, that is the question all right

smith816.bsky.social•66 days ago

Perfectly stated.

michaelashoriginal.bsky.social•66 days ago

trump conned his supporters AGAIN! SCHMUCKS

mrmcplad.bsky.social•66 days ago

like a fictional character in a story, readers will follow him where he goes, even when he makes bad choices because it's a story and they're invested in that more than their own material reality

lawnerd.bsky.social•66 days ago

The most dangerous version of Trump is the one who is publicly clownishly aggressive and theatrical, while actually doing basically nothing (the NAFTA “renegotiation” in term 1 is emblematic) who takes up all the news cycles so Paul Ryan’s agenda stats out of the headlines…

lawnerd.bsky.social•66 days ago

This, ironically, has a lot in common with Elon Musk, who has a real superpower (convincing investors to give Tesla money on insanely favorable terms), whose most economically effective use would be “be the clownish public face of the company while letting actually competent people execute”

lawnerd.bsky.social•66 days ago

I want to be clear that this isn’t faint praise. “Convince investors to buy shares of your stock for absolutely insane prices even though you never issue dividends” is a goddamn superpower. Commercial ideas that don’t pencil under normal conditions suddenly become possible

sepideh26.bsky.social•66 days ago

It’s astonishing that he still receives 20% to 30% support for these ridiculous ideas. That’s really scary. Very scary.

ruku9.bsky.social•66 days ago

Make it make sense. This is just not logical. Maybe the vote just isn't accurate?

isilven.bsky.social•66 days ago

No, the poll is garbage. It's from a liberal leaning newspaper that Conservatives don't read. Ergo, no actual conservatives gave their opinion. This is all people who voted Dem.

ruku9.bsky.social•66 days ago

Maybe they didn't vote forthat. Maybe it's all rigged. The feckless Democrats can't be bothered to look into it.

contrails.bsky.social•66 days ago

He’ll have the power to put down all but his own Armed MAGA. By the time they flip, he’ll control their leaders, too.

markdpratt.bsky.social•66 days ago

They don’t care. They have all the power now. FAFO season.

raywoodson5.bsky.social•66 days ago

This country is an Escher drawing

thegreyking.bsky.social•66 days ago

Pretty sure several of them think he has ripped abs and a perfect chin as well.

centristsisyphus.bsky.social•66 days ago

Starting 20-Jan, “He keeps his promises” Trump will be in an irreconcilable battle with “He doesn’t mean all those things he says” Trump, and one set of supporters will be bitterly disappointed.

isilven.bsky.social•66 days ago

The people they polled didn't vote for Trump because conservatives don't read The Washington Post, bro, be for fucking real.

isilven.bsky.social•66 days ago

Like next time are you going to solely poll a gay club? This is so fucking stupid and everyone in this thread is eating it right up. Great job, asshole.

gripemaster.bsky.social•65 days ago

They will make sure all blame goes to their enemies. So his supporters will still believe he’s the one fighting for them and liberals are the ones taking all their money//rights/freedom away.

efrog.bsky.social•66 days ago

we already know the answer from
last time and it is yes

camps123.bsky.social•66 days ago

so far they still seem to believe his foolishness

dianamc.bsky.social•66 days ago

I wonder if Bezos will continues to allow these polls.

dn-ny-mtl.bsky.social•66 days ago

How is this possible with the plethora of affordable hearing aids on the market?

ttenchantr.bsky.social•66 days ago

Trump is all fiction. Just this horrible Choose Your Own Adventure book where you can whatever lie you like and move onto the next one.

bicyclebaskets.bsky.social•66 days ago

I think this is people who hate other people for various reasons- color of their skin, immigration status, someone who is perceived to be better off than them.

terrylorch.bsky.social•66 days ago

But many of his voters did know EXACTLY what he would do and voted for it gleefully. I’m tired of hearing about the “duped” Trump voters. They are a small part of his contingent. As you well know, the majority of Trump voters revel in the cruelty and the raw power.

backgroundn015e.bsky.social•66 days ago

Breaking News:
Trump has been demoted
From Putin's cock-holster
To Elon's Gimp.

backgroundn015e.bsky.social•66 days ago

TLDR

Trump, famous for all his bluster,
Was actually Putin's cock-holster.

For Elon, he'll simp,
And serve as his Gimp

No alpha, he's just their cum dumpster.

b-rad31415.bsky.social•66 days ago

It's also possible his followers do want these things and they project a fictional version of themselves when they answer these polls.

thewesterhazys.bsky.social•66 days ago

Unfortunately, it appears to me that the wider press is so concerned about upsetting trump that they will be fully joining the propaganda apparatus - see la times, msnbc - rather the propaganda adjacent coverage we have been seeing.

aaronrosspowell.com•66 days ago

I'm hopeful this doesn't just lead to a backlash in the midterms, but also flips the press a bit away from their current obsequious posture. They'll feel more adverstarial when it's clearer most people don't like the administration, instead of the story they're telling themselves now that most do.

faithlessgrace.bsky.social•66 days ago

They won’t. They’ve been bought and paid for. They will continue to do as their corporate owners and oligarchs direct them.

anelson1818.bsky.social•66 days ago

I’m not sure they give a shit about what the public thinks

scottdguy.bsky.social•66 days ago

It won’t. The press is dead.

ericcolumbus.bsky.social•66 days ago

Some voted for a fictional Trump they made up, some voted for him because the cruelty was the point, and some voted for him because he pledged to bring down prices and fix the border. Without the third bucket he would have lost.

kimphilbywasbad.bsky.social•66 days ago

The third bucket is actually twofold: people who thought eggs cost $9 a dozen because that’s what Vance said, and people who actually know costs.

The former will be happy because Trump fixed those high prices that never existed

doug-holst.bsky.social•66 days ago

Propaganda is a helluva drug.

copernicussees.bsky.social•66 days ago

Never underestimate the dangerousness of stupid people in large groups. When confronted by reality, they will simply contort it to their comfort... It will be Biden's fault, or it will be the "Woke Trans Agenda" or whatever bullshit they need to rationalize the irrational.

mbillips.bsky.social•66 days ago

I’m betting he can. The rightwing press will make up rationalizations and the mainstream press will bury it as “old news” because “everyone knows Trump does this.”

skeptocapital.com•66 days ago

I mean, they made up the illusion years ago that he was a successful businessman so crafting another false narrative around Trump is not anything new.

thebookbabede.bsky.social•66 days ago

Yes, it will hold up. They will believe his lies because they don’t want to admit that he’s horrible and they where duped. Also, some of them have issues with any type of progress.

almas3.bsky.social•66 days ago

He will always have a scapegoat to blame his misdeeds. It's what he's done his entire life and his supporters will gobble it up and stay mad at everyone except him. 🙄 It's fucking exhausting.

northsidegooner.bsky.social•66 days ago

We’re burying the lede here.

The fact that a preponderance of conservatives DO want the first 4 on this list, and thus the party will support doing so, means America is probably done as a constitutional democracy anyway. One side simply no longer wants it. They’d prefer to have an American Orban.

broderick-m.bsky.social•66 days ago

That is an excellent question that I have been pondering quite a bit myself.

How bad will things have to get before the delusional bubble around the maga morons finally pops???

If history is any guide, pretty bad indeed.

staidwinnow.cultofsundries.com•66 days ago

X, WaPo, NYT, Meta, FOX, CNN, NYP, and WSJ can narrate a reality that matches the propaganda.

shapdawg1.bsky.social•66 days ago

12% of people (25% of Republicans??) want reporters jailed for being mean to Trump (abolishing two of the five major 1A rights)

very-simple.com•66 days ago

secondary question is whether they will blame trump for things he tries but fails to do. I saw way too many credulous trump supporters, when reminded that he tried to repeal the ACA already, rebut with the fact that he was unsuccessful as if that was a reflection of his intent and not McCain's.

oldandintheway.bsky.social•66 days ago

It doesn't need to anymore. It's done what he needed from it. Kept him out of jail (at least temporarily), put him in position to carry out the wishes of the Saudis who are his cash register, Putin, and The Heritage Foundation, all for continued ass kissing and cash flowing.

nlcoombe.bsky.social•66 days ago

The media helped create the fictional EVERYDAY.We will pay dearly for this.

senterpe.bsky.social•66 days ago

The problem is…. now we know that polls certainly can’t be trusted at all.

colodude.bsky.social•66 days ago

Still believing polls? The deceitful, evil, religious right is no more honest than the orange clown.

geeforce.bsky.social•66 days ago

Simple truth.

numb3r5ev3n.bsky.social•66 days ago

Depending on what he does, we may see a new rash of conspiracy theories as Trumpists strive to mitigate their cognitive dissonance - just like they did in Trump's first term.

quietlycurious.bsky.social•66 days ago

Yes, yes, yes. 100% agree with your statement.

krankepantzen.bsky.social•66 days ago

Maybe, but also keep in mind conservatives, Republicans follow the Way of the Lie. They want and expect their politicians, representatives, leaders to lie. They lie themselves. So whether they really told themselves anything like that is an open question. They may well understand the fictions.

exspectator1.bsky.social•66 days ago

They want the fash but they don't want the fash to be aggressive and direct. They are shy around the fash and want it to nudge their toe under the table, a gentlemanly, flirtatious fash. Hope that helps.

fsherman.bsky.social•66 days ago

“He’d have accepted a military coup provided it was accomplished with understated good taste.”—Lia Matera

daughterofwitches.bsky.social•66 days ago

White people are stupid,especially the old ones who are 50+.

Their privilege has protected them from consequences of their bad decisions, and this time, hopefully, they will learn the hard way.

blake105.bsky.social•66 days ago

Missing link in this post is whether there will be any counter programming to the “massive propaganda apparatus behind him.” History will say no including the side lining of Waltz during the campaign and now AOCs defeat. The same AOC whose questioning of Michael Cohen lead to Trump’s civil cases.

penguinitoguate.bsky.social•65 days ago

cajunasfuck.bsky.social•66 days ago

They forgot one of. Do you support Trump giving the military orders to kill American citizens. Because it’s coming.

jwolf.bsky.social•66 days ago

Approximately 25% of adult Americans voted for Trump. How is that # in disagreement with all but the last of these poll question results?

ledredman.bsky.social•66 days ago

The reality is they are powerless to stop him. They have handed a criminal lunatic the keys to the asylum and the USA collectively will pay the price.

danthiell.bsky.social•66 days ago

And the answer is yes, because he's going to start with that last one.

randyrnbla.bsky.social•66 days ago

A glorified fictional character whose fictional screenplay was written by the very real MSM seeking likes and awards.

jenxthe1st.bsky.social•66 days ago

Idiocracy.

pattinyc.bsky.social•66 days ago

They didn’t make him up in their heads so much as they had no real grasp of anything other than rising prices and the right wing media trashing of democrats.

ohiohawkeye.bsky.social•66 days ago

I’ve been thinking a lot about this. I don’t know how to separate peoples voting behavior from their supposed opinions. I wonder if we have a case of a 1) believing one’s own bullshit or 2) outright lying or 3) a combination of both. Regardless, they fucked around but everyone is going to find out.

moonbeamsassafrass.bsky.social•66 days ago

and 90 million didn't vote

pelledge.bsky.social•66 days ago

The media helped create a fake Trump and a fake Harris and pushed it over and over.

pammysbutterflies.bsky.social•66 days ago

chrisdburke.bsky.social•57 days ago

When ppl buy a steaming plate of 💩.
They’ll be served a steaming plate of 💩.
All bc of the cost of a dozen eggs.
They should’ve bought a F-in chicken!

blandphilosophy.bsky.social•66 days ago

The median voter fucking sucks

dw54.bsky.social•66 days ago

The top line is the actual U.S.wealth distribution. The second is what Americans think the wealth distribution is. The bottom line is what Americans think the wealth distribution should be.

pbirk.bsky.social•66 days ago

But doesn’t this poll show that his voters support these measures almost unanimously?

reeseer83.bsky.social•66 days ago

The thing about their fictional Trump is the things he actually does don't reflect on that image they have of him

ryanoneil.bsky.social•66 days ago

This. That propaganda machine doesn't need to do any work now because it doesn't matter. They will project onto him whatever despite what he does.

starlightwishes.bsky.social•66 days ago

Judging from Muck's latest move to shut down the government, it's obvious that HE is our official dictator. Trump is barely an afterthought. Muck intends to destroy the U.S. starting now, before Christmas. He's already making moves to destroy other countries & the rest of the world after that.

tptirrell.bsky.social•66 days ago

Isn't that part of the definition of being in a cult?believe me, not your lying eyes?

theresamuir.bsky.social•66 days ago

During the 2024 campaign I kept yelling, "He WAS President, you know, for four years! What did he actually *do* that was so great? He *had* four years to do this or that-- did he do it then?"

valkyriekaren.bsky.social•66 days ago

His big campaigning point then was "build the wall". I just checked and I don't see a wall. Just some metal bollards and lot of money wasted.

theresamuir.bsky.social•66 days ago

Exactly.

thelazyanole.bsky.social•66 days ago

I think it will be maintained. The people who vote for Trump
will not be affected by many of the policies listed, & will not hear about the negative effects of these policies on Fox.

eawinick.bsky.social•66 days ago

Yes, but I assume this is a random sampling. If the poll was just Trump voters, wouldn't the numbers be markedly different?

pcrritesgood.bsky.social•66 days ago

THIS.

They also voted AGAINST a fictional Harris that was made up in their heads.

jjlynch81.bsky.social•55 days ago

Trump 2025 = retribution, abuse of power, judicial collapse, vigilantes, lawless attacks on migrants & POC, Global Economic Winter, Concentration/reeducation camps, distorted history taught, withdrawal from global participation, loss of global democracies. Freedom of speech, religion, choice LOST.

thetallsister.bsky.social•65 days ago

Truism

“If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.”

― Lyndon B. Johnson

jarz.bsky.social•66 days ago

There's a difference between "would you disapprove" and "would you oppose" a policy he puts in place. If Dems put another weak centrist candidate out there again, the Trump voters will make the same excuses and vote for him again.

penguin007.bsky.social•66 days ago

Anyone who listened to his gibberish or saw him doing the double jerk off dance at his rallies and asleep in court during his trials had to realize what a senile doofus he is. Either people didn't see that or didn't care. Elon seems to be the "hand of the king" actually running things.

penguin007.bsky.social•66 days ago

In 2016, a lot of them voted for "Apprentice" Trump who was entirely a fictional character made up for TV. He was actually near bankruptcy and the show saved him. His Trump Tower offices were reportedly so shabby that they had to build a boardroom set for the show.

thetd.bsky.social•66 days ago

Someone should be already running for president in 2028, if only to create a counter narrative to what Trump is doing, and a person the press can go to to comment on Trump’s atrocities.

diotimaellen.bsky.social•66 days ago

Thank heavens so many people think this way, but at the ballot box they were delusional. Now we ALL pay the price for their lying to themselves and their deliberate ignorance.

wpkirsch.bsky.social•66 days ago

Don't forget an unknown percentage of these people voted for the REAL Trump but don't want to admit they like the racism, misogyny and kicking down so they claim they voted for something else.

eyevandy.bsky.social•66 days ago

No, the question is, when faced with the fact that he does those things, whether people will care.

They won't.

This electorate just showed us that enormous things, like self-preservation of the human race or democracy, don't matter. You think these relatively small issues will make a difference?

eyevandy.bsky.social•66 days ago

It's all about backlash to anything that threatens the very insular status quo for them and their families and no one else. Why should they care about suffering in Gaza when groceries are so expensive? But sure, let's talk about how much persecution of the free press is going to bother them.

dryad.technology•66 days ago

I think the question is at what point Trump's destructive actions begin to affect Trump's voters. The information environment is very bad and Trump voters are ignoring most of it. So the only thing that will change minds or voting behavior is when/if Trump II begins to affect them personally.

dryad.technology•66 days ago

And then when Trump II does begin to negatively affect the people who people who voted for him, the question is whether they will identify the problem is Trump and shift future voting accordingly, or if they will blame "drones". Or transgender people. Or possibly transgender drones?

eyevandy.bsky.social•66 days ago

There's no tipping point where Trump is blamed for anything. Even with Republicans controlling all 3 branches of government, there will still be Democrats to blame.

chrisfumo.bsky.social•62 days ago

Covid was a very good test for this; and trump and Rs paid very, very little political price for it

chrisfumo.bsky.social•62 days ago

compared to 6 years earlier when Obama and Dems get killed over EBOLA panic via right wing and main stream media while like 2 american total die of it

stimar.bsky.social•66 days ago

I don't think there's any question that most of them can and will happily keep lying to themselves.

geauxellessyoo.bsky.social•66 days ago

Not very bright, are they?

welshrarebit.bsky.social•66 days ago

Hollywood is no longer the nation’s only “dream factory.” That monicker will soon belong to Washington DC, if it doesn’t already.

anxiouspepper.bsky.social•65 days ago

Who the fk did they poll? Would they be ok with all these actions if you replace the name trump with: Obama, Biden or Harris. I'm going to bet my dollar that they will change their tune rea quick.
That's the problem with polls like this, why didn't they ask that question? Sane washing everything

wexlercc.bsky.social•66 days ago

I think the average voter who doesn’t pay much attention to the news or has a general disgust with politics simply voted out the current administration because they don’t like inflation. I wish that weren’t the case, fwiw.

dlbowman76.com•66 days ago

Propaganda can neither employ the newly jobless nor can it put food on the plates of the hungry.

We are on a collision course with a large societal *splat* I fear.

abrxs.bsky.social•66 days ago

Jon Stewart once did this brilliant bit about Trump. Trump lies and jokes and bullshits so much its impossible to tell when he's serious or not. So, like a buffet, his fan can just pick what they want and ignore what they don't - thus creating a fictional Trump that suits their personal tastes.

ncsteve.bsky.social•66 days ago

People assumed there were still guardrails that would keep him from doing what he ran on doing. Somehow, they failed to grasp that Project 2025 was the GOP's demolition plan for the guardrails that hadn't already torn down and that they were themselves supposed to be the guardrail of last resort.

idrivealot.bsky.social•66 days ago

Respectfully that’s not the question. The question is will people ever allow themselves to accept it was a fiction and then toss the reality.

jewishwonk.bsky.social•66 days ago

We're about to find out who was lying to themselves about Trump and who was lying to themselves about their own values.

jmarkdodds.bsky.social•66 days ago

The $billionaire owned press has throughout history destroyed opportunity for the evolution of truly representative democracy. All historically fleeting chances for creating a liveable future for organised human existence have been crushed with the press cheerleading against progress

mtannenbaum.bsky.social•66 days ago

People will rationalize their poor decisions before they admit they made a mistake and were duped.

sallybrown.bsky.social•66 days ago

But Trump broadcast his intentions each and every day throughout his election campaign. If his supporters told themselves otherwise, that’s on them. In short, FAFO.

sriraghavt.bsky.social•63 days ago

📌

ecteacher.bsky.social•66 days ago

I’d say a big fat “no”. Boy oh boy coming to grips with reality will be a thing to see.

bluegrassgal.bsky.social•66 days ago

That's so on point, Adam!

Propaganda got him elected. The "fight" & "resistance" people keep talking about depends on how well that propaganda can be pierced.

gameq.bsky.social•66 days ago

Trump’s only man date is Elon.

angrytwinsmom.bsky.social•66 days ago

Looking forward to the Dems in congress giving him enough rope to hang himself 🍿🍿🍿

justelizabeth.bsky.social•66 days ago

Because it worked so well the last time?

pjvelez.bsky.social•66 days ago

It's like they believe that the evil character in the beginning of the season ain't gonna be as evil at the end of the season.

IT'S NOT FUCKING TV!

imchuckmiller.bsky.social•66 days ago

4 years of stories outlining how “Trump voters are upset that he’s doing what he said he would do”.

subhousewife.bsky.social•66 days ago

Sue the pollsters!

suzynuze.bsky.social•66 days ago

Made up in their heads with the help of the NYT/WaPo etc sanding down all the rough authoritarian edges.

irenelegal.bsky.social•66 days ago

Are they going to even know he’s doing them? One thing is crystal clear from this election - most people consume very little or no fact based news, or refuse to believe it. Meanwhile, the disinformation will continue unabated.

undacuvabrutha.bsky.social•66 days ago

📌

martindev4.bsky.social•66 days ago

It does in several countries.

no2trumpism.bsky.social•58 days ago

We need courageous members of Congress to stand up for the Constitution & save our country from the felonious, criminal, corrupt, dishonest, insurrectionist & Russian asset that’s about to be given access to US secrets.
#14thAmendmentSection3
#14AmendmentSection3
https://youtu.be/RE-mlMmrsxM?si=FtaTFhUj-eZ3RBy6

godhatesyeast.bsky.social•66 days ago

thepenguinsays.bsky.social•66 days ago

They snort it up like Junior at a press conference

aggiegold.bsky.social•66 days ago

Then when their intelligence is questioned they get offended but what the fuck else are we suppose to question when we see numbers like that.

chijar.bsky.social•66 days ago

The travesty is how many "low information" voters there are. Delusional as you say. Uninformed. Ignorant, and willfully so. Sprinkle in the vile and we get Rump & co.

chickpea7.bsky.social•64 days ago

The MSM can take a big co-writing credit for this fictional Trump. If you report or pundit for any part of the MSM, you are the guy you're looking for. You don't have to quit, just know that this is true.

dickeyx2.bsky.social•66 days ago

Well said.

njerdoc.bsky.social•66 days ago

Of course they can. They did it successfully for four years before, which included his bungling of an historic global pandemic.

papito.bsky.social•66 days ago

The press whitewashing and normalizing everything out of his mouth for a decade is what created the imaginary Trump, full fucking stop bub.

zardogs.bsky.social•66 days ago

My BIL: He's a business man, so he'll do good things for business and he's not actually going to do those other things.

Basically admitting that he knows T is lying but assumed he's telling the truth about the things he wants.

WTF

fdrtoday.bsky.social•66 days ago

This is a poll of Americans and not of voters. Nevertheless the numbers are strong on many of these and the question is whether Trump and Reeps in Congress will fear retribution from voters and will relent. If they are wearing tinfoil hats we are in trouble and rally resistance.

sewick.bsky.social•66 days ago

3,000 percent !!!

azspagirl.bsky.social•66 days ago

Elon bought this election through propaganda, disinformation and straight up lies and a quarter billion dollars. Did they vote for that? Where’s that poll?

azspagirl.bsky.social•66 days ago

There’s that pesky “believability gap” again.

rationalpear.bsky.social•66 days ago

That depends on us, the opposition. We must be strategic. We must prepare to make the terrible stuff relevant to everyday ppl’s lives and connect their pain to its source,

lameguy76.bsky.social•66 days ago

Maybe the poll should have something like this...
"Would you approve of trump doing x if he makes your fictional economy better?"
Meaning...people really don't care that he does this stuff if the econimic vibes are good.

pensandlighters.bsky.social•66 days ago

The old blank slate, he spoke so incoherently and received such fawning and sanewashed media coverage people voted for him thinking he would solve all the country’s problems (whatever they were).

michalef.bsky.social•66 days ago

Well .. it continues. FT now called him a person of the year (arguably, he is), and said that the absolute moron "may be the chance of a generation".

pensandlighters.bsky.social•66 days ago

Easy to be all things to all people when you don’t have any power yet and the media tells people you’re right

michalef.bsky.social•66 days ago

Except everyone knows he is a racist, a rapist and a felon, and they still did not care. His voters deserve everything that is coming.

pensandlighters.bsky.social•66 days ago

Definitely going to be tons of “finding out” in the near future.

It’s much easier to be all things to all people when you’re out of power. But we know his agenda is going to be massively unpopular.

Everyone will suffer but at least we won’t be disappointed

justbrowsingthanks.bsky.social•65 days ago

Do people lied to deserve to suffer the consequences of lies? There was a far bigger GOP media machine than just Fox—local radio, local news, local FB, popular podcasts, sportscasts that refused to host Harris, X et al. Wall to wall.
Few buy or read legacy media, where they might have heard a truth.

gohst-hunter.bsky.social•66 days ago

I trust Maria Bartiromo will dive deep into these findings with Carl Q on her show Sunday

imaprivate.bsky.social•66 days ago

While *some* people voted for fictional Trump

MAGA virulently wanted ALL these things — and they showed up to vote, while a lot of Dems who presumably opposed those things didn’t bother 😡

lavender-wildcat.bsky.social•66 days ago

They also voted against a fictional Harris, who is somehow a communist/socialist/fascist dictator wannabe in their world.

eliangonzalez.bsky.social•66 days ago

Do you DARE doubt the power of the nation's Media Glitterati? After all, they convinced at least 229K people in key states that the economy was trash and inflation was out of control.

sapindaceae.bsky.social•66 days ago

It's so dispiriting.

auntiewarhol.bsky.social•66 days ago

I hope there’s still a question about that, but damn the enormity of the gaslighting they just pulled off. I’ll just say I haven’t yet found a reason to think they won’t pull it off again. But hope springs and all.

natedub9.bsky.social•66 days ago

that 42% approval on item number 1 is pretty brutal and sobering, though

glenthefossa.bsky.social•66 days ago

Well from a certain point of view why should trump care? He will never have to run for president again, he can't be impeached and removed, and more than likely will die on his golden throne. Its time for him to play out his narcissistic revenge fantasies as he's often promised and never hid.

bradkmn.bsky.social•66 days ago

What’s really going to upset people is if the price of eggs doesn’t come down.

walmz.bsky.social•66 days ago

It will be hard for them to get mad at Trump if they know a trans kid is reading a book somewhere…

michaeljamespreston.com•66 days ago

Many of his supporters the first time around convinced themselves that he did things they wanted that he actually didn't do and didn't do things that he did do. I strongly suspect that will be the case with fetid mango god 2.0.

teydam.bsky.social•66 days ago

I'm with you, no clue. I think reality usually comes back to bite through the madness, if only nipping a bit.

chickadee21.bsky.social•66 days ago

Excellent point
Thanks

common-lib.bsky.social•66 days ago

Lots of people will be furious with the truth for failure to adhere to what the liar told them.

nutedawn.bsky.social•66 days ago

The other question I think is whether the economy stays good enough for ordinary people that they ignore all of that other stuff anyway and make the propaganda apparatus’ job easier

tiggersdad.bsky.social•66 days ago

It is almost certain Trump is going to screw up the economy. Yesterday was just a taste of what’s to come.

ruegalande.bsky.social•66 days ago

Good point. And I think that's what we all are waiting to see, right?

lotw4evr.bsky.social•66 days ago

So worried

michalef.bsky.social•66 days ago

They also hoped that if anything happens, it will not be them suffering.
This part of the find-out phase will be well deserved.

knicksrip.bsky.social•66 days ago

Who is the 12% who either support or skipped the bottom issue, and how can we eject them from this planet

mathandstuff.bsky.social•66 days ago

The media literally buried his incompetent response to Covid as well as his attempt to use violence and other illegal methods to stay in power.

Until we get better news coverage, I'm not seeing a limit here.

bll4ever.bsky.social•62 days ago

Some pretty horrifying numbers. 😷

mikebrode.bsky.social•66 days ago

We don’t have much of a system to handle a collapsed government.

thesuitburnsbetter.bsky.social•66 days ago

Wouldn't these specific issues be much easier for people to ignore when they happen since they have no immediate impact on the overwhelming majority of people who voted for him?

bkgail.bsky.social•66 days ago

Self-delusion is a powerful drug.

anneofbrooklyn.bsky.social•66 days ago

This post is quite good.👆🏾👆🏾👆🏾 Sums up MAGA delusions - Trump is kind, patriotic, a fighter for the worker, tough, strategic, etc…

And that is the billion-dollar question: Will the dam break this time? I don’t think so. Trumpers are dug in and will blame Democrats regardless.

remarkable59.bsky.social•66 days ago

Well said Adam

chichi60.bsky.social•66 days ago

SURPRISE!!!

noname4u.bsky.social•66 days ago

You are so right. Somehow Trump became the "insert belief" candidate. 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

danst3.bsky.social•66 days ago

"But he'll bring down the price of eggs"...(which, of course, he won't. Unless he creates a huge recession, which is quite possible)

gcal.bsky.social•66 days ago

MAGAmorons are gullible. They actually believed that “assassination attempt” was real. So it seems that keeping them believing in fictional tRump shouldn’t be too big of a hill to climb.

yakirr.bsky.social•66 days ago

The rise of 'BlueAnon' conspiracy theories.

amy-musician.bsky.social•66 days ago

Yes.

bbrown14k.bsky.social•66 days ago

The massive question is if Dems are willing and able to attack and blow up his unpopular actions. If not, there is no doubt the propaganda apparatus will be able to maintain its alternate reality.

oldnewmother.bsky.social•66 days ago

Their denial will end with harsh reality.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/denial-how-it-hurts-how-it-helps-and-how-to-cope-202307262958

wellestarr1.bsky.social•66 days ago

Wait until you realize that they've always known. Then you'll really be depressed.

athanklesstask.bsky.social•66 days ago

Problem is, even as they say they wouldn't support Trump closing down protests... we know that they would.

We need to stop accepting the idea that MAGA, wracked with cognitive dissonance, care about truth.

estherp.bsky.social•66 days ago

First, Trump voters would have to be aware that these things are going on. Given how little attention people pay to credible news sources, I think most will remain blissfully ignorant, especially if it doesn't affect their daily lives.

paddlefoot123.bsky.social•66 days ago

This! 👆

estherp.bsky.social•66 days ago

I know I shouldn't give up, but I've been feeling extremely cynical since the election. I let myself get excited about a political campaign, which I almost never do.

maryjanesbiatch.bsky.social•66 days ago

📌

noahdahl.bsky.social•66 days ago

History tells us that it can IF there is no opposition that vocally disrupts the illusion.

usasocal.bsky.social•66 days ago

We do not hear Maga crying about these very things they said THEY did not want!

Trump used the grocery price pitch on almost every USA hate rally he did!

NOW he has said he cannot lower prices, and they will be going up! I mean what else will have to happen for them to get it!

danielaphoto.bsky.social•66 days ago

Yeah these people will be in for a bumpy ride

zobear.bsky.social•66 days ago

Voters were willing to gamble that Trump won’t hurt their interests (livelihood, deporting their immigrant family/friends) because they want him to hurt people they don’t like

tonylizza.bsky.social•66 days ago

They must have. In his last rallies before the election, he sounded shockingly sad and low-energy for a guy whose supposed brand was all about strength and toughness. I was genuinely surprised at how bad he looked and sounded.

jeanette73.bsky.social•66 days ago

Very strong closing with the garbage trucks. America knew what it was voting for.

crobertbuchanan.bsky.social•62 days ago

Surprised faces are about to get eaten.

boxelder.bsky.social•66 days ago

fuck around and find out, the country

liblander.bsky.social•66 days ago

This nation is filled with morons. 54% of American adults read at or below a 6th grade level. And instead of bolstering education we’re about to abolish the Department that facilitates it.

thetasalmon.bsky.social•66 days ago

They deserve everything that is coming.
And I will laugh at them.

jsharkey67.bsky.social•66 days ago

Even the Russian judges are going to give high marks to the mental gymnastics required to both believe Donnie is the only truth-teller out there *and* believe he doesn't mean a word he says.

just-g.bsky.social•66 days ago

As long as the malls stay open this nation of consumer cattle probably won’t even notice any of those things happening. Propaganda will work on the few that do notice.

sashasfiasco.bsky.social•65 days ago

People will believe whatever justification they’re fed consistently. The abhorrent actions they first decry, and then tolerate grudgingly, and then accept, and finally celebrate, will continue to shift.

winniethewitch.bsky.social•57 days ago

For a time maybe thanks to the Right Wing Noise machine, but at some point at least some of them are in for a rude awakening once the mass deportations start and Elon takes away their Medicare and Social Security.

odeecs.bsky.social•66 days ago

Let's make sure every bad thing gets hung around his neck like an albatross.

lovebethandrobots.bsky.social•66 days ago

Gonna be hard with the press in his pocket

csherbak.bsky.social•66 days ago

Maybe, but the election has shown that the MSM has little impact on Joe Sixpack. Sadly, the demise of TikTok will have more impact on shielding them from scrutiny/criticism/mockery. FAFO is already trending as a hashtag AND a source of content. Let's see if it can migrate to Reels/Threads/etc.

odeecs.bsky.social•66 days ago

MAGAts already don't trust the national political press.
They've fairly successfully created their own right-wing media ecosystem.

The national political press, though, has proven it is NOT our ally. So we have to create and support our own media as well.

anniems111.bsky.social•66 days ago

Adam Serwer, right on the button! You said it well!

bryanfichter.bsky.social•65 days ago

Can't wait to find out !

alania1985.bsky.social•65 days ago

The answer is as predictable as it is depressing…yes, yes they absolutely will keep believing in him.

drgeophysics.bsky.social•66 days ago

Don’t worry, MegaCorp will wreck everything while Scamalot Trumpistan is at the golf course. What a shame eh?

sarcasticsmall.bsky.social•66 days ago

No need for a propaganda apparatus. The problem is that he told everyone he was going to do these things. At rallies. In interviews. In posts on TS. By messaging through supporters - to the extent of nominating those who openly supported this.

The voters chose to not believe this on their own.

arizona-joe.bsky.social•66 days ago

Simple everything Trump does will be seen as the greatest most amazing thing ever and literally the day a new President takes over it's all their fault dealing with the fallout of what Trump left them.