I remember that the press was trying to get him to admit to smoking Weed. That’s where the, “I didn’t inhale” line came from. That and a ton of questions about why he wasn’t in the military during Vietnam.
I was glad that the Obama campaign put an end to that question. Hard to go when you’re 7.
One thing that people forget is that Carville was perhaps the hottest national level general consultant in the Dem side at the time. He won a lot of big races, including the Wofford upset in the special to replace Heinz.
I’m personally glad they were tough b/c she stayed on point & it will benefit her in the end. We also didn’t have the usual 2 candidates so it seemed more 1 sided. Trump walked out mid interview in 2020. (They brought this up as well as him canceling, shifting his stories, & lying.)
She needs to learn to manipulate the press in the right ways. Give them strange red meat but be harmless about it.
Have a strange favorite food. Do a publicity gig at a furry con. Imply that she and her husband share a weird kink. Call that dictator Putin a greasy cunt.
What kind of editing BS is that where someone in answering a question, and the response is faded out while the interviewer’s overdubs claim that the interviewee avoided the question!!!!
her operating assumption seems to be: every major national media hit is an opportunity to introduce herself to some cohort of voters, and so the aim should be to hit the main points and otherwise do no harm
I think that she used to have a tendency to ramble a bit off the cuff and she's (intelligently) compensated by just focusing on her messages rather than trying to engage in open ended explorations of whatever the interviewer wants.
My beef is that the press used to respond favorably to message discipline. They would write admiringly when a candidate stayed on message while they were still hoping to get something fresh
Which is tough. Especially when she was coming up. Multiple powerhouse media outlets - KSFN, KGO, KTVU, The Chron, The Examiner, The Advocate, SF Weekly...SJ Mercury News.Oakland Tribune, Contra Costa Times and on and on. I lived there then.
If we've been watching, we know her pretty well as a person. She's very pro-LGBTQ, she loves to cook and she's good at it, she enjoys music and dancing a little more than most people in politics allow themselves to do publicly, she adores her stepkids who love her right back and call her Momala...
The problem with her needing to do more of showing her inner self as a person is that ~30% of the population are refusing to admit she is a worthy person. The problem isn't her, it's them.
AFAICT main message=we won’t take away your rights, and you’ll still have plenty of money. Hope not to offend anyone with this. (People get unpredictably upset here, even though it’s generally a nicer place.) This is not a criticism—it’s likely the winningest message there is. It’s simple and true.
After watching that interview, my first thought was how consistent she is from interview to interview. Clearly Bill wanted something else at times but it worked in her favor I think
It's nice to have someone running who can hold a thought longer than three minutes, remembers what they said yesterday, and is able to express how they feel in actual consistent, logical paragraphs and not nonsensical fragmented soundbites. And the policy is pretty solid. Such a relief.
It seemed to me he had to try extra hard to make some of those questions 'tough' ones. Like her changing her positions on sooooo many things. Same stuff already covered in the debate: fracking, border, M4A.
Even worse with Walz on the stupid Hong Kong date issue. Just absurd.
When she shut down the question about Trump's comments on her racial identity, that was very frustrating for me as a viewer who wants to see sparks but very careful & smart strat on her part.
She made that at the Democratic Convention. She's doing it on the Internet and at rallies. The corporate media is just whining because they aren't getting much chance to spin her.
I'm getting 2016 all over again. Much of the media is hell bent on destroying a competent professional government servant, who happens to be a woman, in favor of dingbat carnival barker that the majority of Americans have rejected time and time again.
her clarity and her staunch stands on regaining our freedoms and create an opportunity economy, in comparison to tfg & his craziness, seems to require corporate media to sanewash tfg and troll Harris, in order to maintain the horserace and avoid reporting on the stakes of this election.
they're fucking idiots if they think that golden goose is laying for them again. The non-Trumpers are gonna be furious, despairing, and/or trying their best to focus on pretty much anything else. Last time we relied on the media bc we foolishly thought it a bulwark.
I'm working on a theory that minority public office holders simply cannot afford the luxury of being undisciplined the way that Biden (leaving aside Trump's... Trumpiness) is; Biden can be casual and be described as avuncular. Obama or Harris would not get the same reception.
Yep. You do not get to be VPOTUS as a Black woman while being sloppy about ANYTHING. She is very, very good at so mich of this that white dudes don't even think about. Talented as fuck + honed in the fires.
(And the white dudes can play defense by being casual! eg Biden & Walz for their POTUSes)
This used to be considered normal. In the documentary "Journeys with George" they poke fun at Dubya doing the same speech word for word at about 28 different rallies. Trump has broken our brains.
Isn't this what the press always wanted? A politician who acts like a competent CEO? (Always on message. Never takes the bait. Laughs at silly questions)
Harris needs to spend less time telling us why she should be President and more time talking about, um, whatever Trump says she should be talking about.
I think a lot of press people are terrified of a Harris admin. They thought Biden was boring but Biden had a lot of things happen to him in the last 4 years and he was always a gaffe machine. Harris won't gaffe and unless some interesting stuff happens, it's going to be radio silence for them.
I think it’s that they’re finally realizing they’re not as important as they thought they were and they’re blaming her because they don’t want to face the truth.
It really does seem like her failure to really launch in 2020 was because it "wasn't her time" in some abstract/societal sense rather than any lack of real political skills(because she has those in abundance)
I think she should promise to establish a Gaffe Czar to provide them with clickbait for four years and a Fiction and Gossip Department to help them write bestsellers.
It’s like she’s studied how to bring home a closing argument or something, not letting the other party distract from the message consistently. Wonder where she learned that?
I don't long for a gaffe, but I do feel sympathetic to the reporting urge to dig up some insight that no one else has. It's a pain to feel your story is like everyone else's. But you're not going to get that kind of insight in these venues.
Hot ones probably has a couple advantages-
1.) He isn't going to be aiming to do a gotcha, he isn't press corp "in on the latest campaign narratives" so he'll play to her introing herself to Americans
2.) Because of that he might actually ask an interesting q she hasn't been asked before
He might not ask a question SHE'S never heard before, but he'll ask a question that we the audience have never heard before, which is just as good. And it would break the internet. It would be today's equivalent of going on Between Two Ferns!
Also lots of men in charge still in media share Trump/Vance assumptions women are dumb and will expose their idiocy under enough pressure. #MeToo got some of them, but not all.
I'm not saying it's because I've worked in media for 35 years but I've noticed a lot of men in my business who only see women as either potential sexual conquests or invisible. Then again I work in radio, the lowest rung of entertainment.
It echoes complaints that Hillary Clinton was “too prepared” for her debates. They wanted errors. (Glenn Gould stopped doing concerts for this reason, I seem to recall… there was a desire to be seen as discerning and they were disappointed.) https://samueljohnson.com/criticis.html#504
They want errors, but to be even-handed, they also want authentic. Obama was the best at this, staying human while staying on high-level message. I love Kamala most when she's showing care for individuals, because in those moments she feels unscripted. We trust the unscripted, for better or worse.
And she can do this because her message has nothing wrong with it. She can promote it without shame. Her positions are eminently defensible, so she doesn’t need to be defensive, or pivot, or… go off message. If that’s frustrating to the press, it’s on the press, not her.
Our class president of 1974 was a Hispanic woman.
We have a reunion on Saturday.
I look forward to weaving that into the evening discussions with conservative classmates.
Harris herself has pretty drastically improved as a public speaker from four or even two years ago. She used to have a lot of very bad nervous tics. She’s absolutely hired a speaking coach
Someone on here who's had public speaking training was saying they could tell Harris has, during the DNC, just because of the way she used her voice. She didn't do that yelling-even-though-there's-a-mic thing many ppl do, even I could tell that!
But yeah she's had a shit ton of practice too obvs.
They’re mad because she was doing more important things. Like securing large money donors, picking a VP, the DNC convention and the debates. They don’t want to hear it but legacy media doesn’t sway voters anymore.
That is how I explained to my students the concept of message discipline. It feels like everyone has lost track of the idea that message discipline is probably a good thing for most candidates.
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I was glad that the Obama campaign put an end to that question. Hard to go when you’re 7.
One thing that people forget is that Carville was perhaps the hottest national level general consultant in the Dem side at the time. He won a lot of big races, including the Wofford upset in the special to replace Heinz.
They also had a terrific press operation.
Have a strange favorite food. Do a publicity gig at a furry con. Imply that she and her husband share a weird kink. Call that dictator Putin a greasy cunt.
The problem with her needing to do more of showing her inner self as a person is that ~30% of the population are refusing to admit she is a worthy person. The problem isn't her, it's them.
Even worse with Walz on the stupid Hong Kong date issue. Just absurd.
I'm getting 2016 all over again. Much of the media is hell bent on destroying a competent professional government servant, who happens to be a woman, in favor of dingbat carnival barker that the majority of Americans have rejected time and time again.
"Won't get fooled again."
Also! Journalists? Not safe in a fully fash environment. Not with a totally unfettered Trump.
Why are they so stupid?
Dude. Please stand still so I can shake you violently and then count the bubbles in your head. WHAT.
let's not even get into clearly this person would prefer Shapiro to the current team because idk imitation Obama? anyway NOT THE POINT.
it's like people in Tampa right now discussing the beach picnic on Thursday. Potato salad or nah?
(And the white dudes can play defense by being casual! eg Biden & Walz for their POTUSes)
Absolutely everything is at stake
The brain is wild and lazy.
That's why I say she should go on Hot Ones. 🌶️
1.) He isn't going to be aiming to do a gotcha, he isn't press corp "in on the latest campaign narratives" so he'll play to her introing herself to Americans
2.) Because of that he might actually ask an interesting q she hasn't been asked before
We have a reunion on Saturday.
I look forward to weaving that into the evening discussions with conservative classmates.
But yeah she's had a shit ton of practice too obvs.