The thing about Tesla is that I don’t think the same strategy that sustains, say, Black Rifle Coffee can keep a major car company afloat. You need customers who aren’t MAGA freaks too.
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Turning it into the MAGAmobile has made it basically impossible for anyone else to drive one. It’s a rolling red hat. If you don’t want to make an ideological point with your vehicle, you won’t consider that brand.
It's also not nearly as hard for BRC to get non-MAGA freak customers just by being the only coffee stocked in a vending machine. One a few occasions I've begrudgingly been one of them! It's a $3 one-time disposable purchase that's much easier to bite the bullet and make, not a whole ass car
You have to use a Tesla out in public where everyone sees you too, BRC comes to your house and you chose who knows you support the co. with your $$. How many people support BRC on the down low?
I occasionally buy BRCs canned drinks. I think they're cheaper than some of the other brands and they sell em at the convenience store down the street. I suspect a lot of MAGA types buy Ben & Jerry's. Spending a few $$$ on something you eat is different than buying a car.
This reminds me of Penzey's spices, which is unabashedly liberal... but knows who is the market for boutique spices. MAGA chodes aren't going to make many dinners featuring Za'atar, but you're resist lib mom might try it out!
Also even within the hardcore, the demographic that can afford to virtue signal by buying an occasional fancy bag of coffee beans is significantly larger than the demographic that’s gonna be making regular re-purchases of cybertrucks
Also the difference in price is significant. Any fool can go buy shitty coffee; buying a new car to own the libs is a lot of money for even the most hardcore MAGA.
old enough to remember a right wing attempt at an answer to Ben and Jerry's. shipping-only ice cream with cutesy names like I Hate The French Vanilla. iirc some outrageous amount like $100 for 4 quarts inc shipping.
Certainly not. Not enough of them with enough money. Need coastal PMC to make it even come close to working as a company (even then it’s way over valued)
It's such a sure bet to be a big seller that I'm almost tempted to build it myself. I wouldn't have any clue about how to build one but if it doesn't work that's even funnier. I feel like if you aren't making $$$ by scamming MAGA dopes in 2025 you are maybe doing life wrong.
The thing about Tesla is it has never once been sustainable and has always needed massive government subsidies to exist. Even more so than the big 3 auto makers
I doubt a significant number of MAGA freaks will buy Teslas at all because of Trump's stunt. They might spend that much money rolling coal, but not on an EV.
Car rental companies watched Hertz touch that stove and get burned — and execs saw the CEO responsible for Hertz’s experiment lose his job. So … ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The problem here is that Tesla still unfortunately has the most marketable line of EVs. No other manufacturer is really offering the same combo of Range/Performance/Price. Once the others figure that out, it’s likely over for them.
Bullshit. The Hyundai/Kia twins perform on par with the 3 in every metric, Lucid's Air series eats the S' lunch.
And you don't get the excreable build quality, crude suspension, or stale, cartoonish design (spawn of a '69 Renault Caravelle and Donald Duck).
I think Elon has greatly devalued those features for a lot of potential buyers already. He’s made it so unmarketable that many will consider almost any other brand of EV BESIDES Tesla, which looks like a swastika w/wheels now - or just buy a regular car until something better comes along.
He’s getting there, but not yet on a national scale. I think the majority of Americans don’t normally use politics as a guiding factor when choosing a vehicle. But Musk is changing that rapidly.
Maybe? But that's changing. Years ago I bought a Hyundai Ioniq EV, inexpensive, I still have it. One neighbor (RWer) has a Rivian and a good friend (liberal) the Ford Mustang Mach E. It's no longer the only game in town.
I think Tesla’s rapidly shrinking market share and Elon’s hard right turn are linked. He knows his Ponzi scheme is collapsing and wants to prop himself up by robbing the government.
Yup. It’s hard to say if it was the catalyst because of his background and history, but it’s certainly a major factor. Like, I truly believe he was always capable of this, and that there’s a likelihood he only got into the eco-“friendly” movements because the industries were rife for exploitation.
Mostly ok, low range and I no longer trust anywhere to recharge (chargers are either full or broken) but it's our get about car, so 90% of time it's fine, for distance we use our gas vehicle. BTW, I think newer ones have much better range, mine is over 5 years old.
You're absolutely correct, which makes Tesla's stock price absolutely insane.
Tesla's market cap is 745.01 billion. That's roughly equal to the market cap of Ferrari, Mercedes-Benz, Volkswagen, BMW, Porsche, GM, Honda, Suzuki, Ford, and Stellantis.
it's always been a big reason why they can't get rid of him no matter what he does
he's a huge liability but he's still propping the stock up many, many times what it would be valued at if people treated it like just another car company
But does the stock price have any impact on actual profitability? If the stock came back down to a normal P:E level, they could still make cars more or less normally. Without Musk, they might be able to rebrand and restyle (minus the Cyber dumpster) and continue to be appealing I the market.
Isn't part of this because Musks' other enterprises are not public?
I'm not an investor, and out of my depth here, but I do know Musk leverages TSLA stock to secure capital. So you aren't just investing in TSLA, you're investing in the whole enterprise.
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They are betting this... this ... THIS crowd 👇🏽👇🏽 is going to buy Tesla Swastikars?
Hahaha hahaha 😂
old enough to remember a right wing attempt at an answer to Ben and Jerry's. shipping-only ice cream with cutesy names like I Hate The French Vanilla. iirc some outrageous amount like $100 for 4 quarts inc shipping.
those days seem positively quaint now
And you don't get the excreable build quality, crude suspension, or stale, cartoonish design (spawn of a '69 Renault Caravelle and Donald Duck).
Tesla's market cap is 745.01 billion. That's roughly equal to the market cap of Ferrari, Mercedes-Benz, Volkswagen, BMW, Porsche, GM, Honda, Suzuki, Ford, and Stellantis.
he's a huge liability but he's still propping the stock up many, many times what it would be valued at if people treated it like just another car company
I'm not an investor, and out of my depth here, but I do know Musk leverages TSLA stock to secure capital. So you aren't just investing in TSLA, you're investing in the whole enterprise.