Regardless of "gender ideology" being a made up reactionary catch all, you cannot wipe an idea off the planet, only people. Ultimately, this is a statement of genocidal intent.
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Words fail me with statements like that. People who talk about wiping groups off the face of the Earth don't realize that the Nazis said the same thing. It's just like ethnic cleansing. I remember hearing similar growing up. "The world'd be better with less queers in it." They can fuck off & die.
Right, they want to kill everyone who isn't exactly like them. The Nazis have taken their masks off, now it's only a matter of time before they draw their knives.
Nature doesn't do "ideology". That's something that humans try to impose onto nature. Such as, "This aspect of nature frightens me, so I'll claim that it's an ideology in order to dismiss it".
Nature also doesn't typically do binaries, they keep saying our existence is an ideology but everything they say about us is actually a false, imposed ideology.
Conservatives are the biggest pushers of gender ideology. But they don't realize enforcing gender norms, roles, and stereotypes is part of their ideology.
That’s why it’s infuriating when putative progressives and liberals side with the dishonest fascists of the “free speech“ type, because they refuse to accept that these narratives are a precursor for literal murder.
I still can’t believe this is happening. It’s terrifying and we’ll band together as best we can and stop them as best we can. We cannot let do this. There must be a way to gum up the works and slow them down
All while whining that his daughter, who is very much still alive, was already killed by the "woke mind virus", and deadnaming/misgendering her in the process. He is absolutely vile.
The solution is to accept that sex is indeed binary but gender needn’t be. We need to accept folks expressing what ever gender traits they wish rather than trying to medicate or modify our bodies to match outdated and rigid schema. I handle my gender dysphoria by identifying as a proud pussy.
They’re clearing overreaching with this hyperbole, but if the dems continue to bow to the censorious political will of folks demanding we all endorse a magical idea to about gendered souls, we will continue to lose. The claims of genocide by threat of suicide are ugly and dysfunctional.
I've been saying it for years on the bad site... but everybody just kept ignoring the fact that he has a trans daughter. Also Grimes did leave him for a trans woman so. He's just a sad angry man that deals in lies.
i know it's just a stupid meme but this gotcha-ism doesn't work the way you think it does. these people do not care that they are "hypocrites" in your eyes, they HATE US on the basis of a visceral disgust and a belief in strict patriarchal gender hierarchy that our very existence violates.
Ahhh, he is insecure. Watch him & you’ll catch it.
Rich doesn’t mean sane, secure or intelligent. Sometimes it just means someone is a manipulative POS.
100% the fact re has rebranded his look to look like....... TRUDEAU! The very man who props up his political career upon, he knows he is so UNPALATABLE he has to look like his opposition
He doesn't because assholes like Elon lack any self-awareness. He will live his whole life never truly understanding himself because he does not see humanity in others he has denied himself the same.
Now as a woman, I had greater freedom to experiment & move within society mostly unnoticed, ex, wearing men's clothing but it came with a cost....
No fucking pockets in women's clothing!!! Lol 😆 kidding.....
It is... as a woman, I unfortunately have a level of fear with existing. What with the patriarchys history of treatment, but scared about being policed for every move, that kind of fear? I left that back in high school
Rowldemort!!! Brilliant..... I was trying to say "He Is..." in another post and my dumb thumbs hit the N, so I said Henis, and now I call him Henis Husk
I was quite proud of that nickname for her. I wish I could say that was why she blocked me, but alas she blocked me for calling out her hypocrisy in her novels in a very long thread haha
When on Twit, I would always tag Jeffree Poilievre in posts, reminding him of his birth name, not the one he chose. If trans people are not afforded that luxury, neither is he...ignoring an entire chapter on why ppl change their names while not being trans
Even then there will be more people to replace the other ones as long as a human race exists. Being Transgender isnt an idea that can only happen once, people will always question and desire to change themselves when they know the opportunity is available. If they can think it, they can be it.
Tbf, I think a lot of them honestly *do* think that it's just something we do on a lark and as soon as being trans becomes the slightest bit difficult, we'll quietly detransition.
The real question is, what will they do when they realize that's not the case?
theres that or even if they are an ally, they think of it as sort of a game, and they'll "play along" and say sure, you're a pretty gal, but if it gets too serious, then at some point the game stops
twenty years ago they were going on about the "sanctity of marriage" and "one man and one woman" and "how do I explain it to my kids" and now they're on this. they never stop
And even if you managed to kill every queer and trans person on the planet, there would be more tomorrow. We are part of the human condition. You can't actually eradicate us.
Also I doubt they realize how many people would stand up for queers and trans people, and how much chaos it would create, when EVERYONE knows that if you fall out of favor, you'll get wiped. It will not do anything good at all.
Yes But at that point queers and trans had no where near the amount of allies they do now. And Europe was deeply into eugenics and having racial purity. That’s not the case so much anymore.
There are more queer people, more visible, than there were then, and the people who tried to erase them either shot themselves in a bunker or swung from a noose at Nuremberg.
Fascism always loses in the end. The sooner we make people understand that, the more lives we can save in the meantime.
I was trying to make clear with the last part of my reply that I'm not actually okay with that.
But sometimes what I want is irrelevant. We have to deal with the situation forced upon us by the dumbest and worst people in the country, by preventing as much harm as we can.
"they can only spread through indoctrination". Every state of being has a ground zero. theres nothing preventing a new one from happening as long as human conciousness exists. and the longing to understand ones self. Its not a virus.
That’s beneficial for genocidal fascist ideologies. You want to have a perpetual evil internal enemy that can pop up anywhere, from any parents, in any stratum of society. It justifies totalitarianism.
I think that's why they're so scared. If some disaster befell where all of human knowledge was lost and forgotten, most of their constructs and ideology would be gone forever (possibly replaced by similar ones, but never the same again), whereas what's fundamentally true can always be rediscovered.
Love this. As Iris Dement sings, "... we are working on a world we may never see." or Ship Gonna Sail song. Thanks for encouraging love, faith & hope each and every day.
“We require no petty physical legacies” is the hardest turn of phrase I’ve read in years. When I get discouraged, I WILL think about this! We will always exist.
So long as mutation, errors and variation exist in life, some equivalent or approximate will arise somewhere else. Not as exact as we express them, yet still present.
And by gods people tried.
with camps, with torture, electroshocks, medication, abuse. So much abuse.
And yet we, as a community are still here. We were always here. We'll always be here. Because we are one of the facets of humanity and you cant eradicate that.
considering "gender ideology" has foundations in indigenous americans two-spirit and hijra third gender folks in Hindu, eradicating this "ideology" this is a profoundly colonial ideal and is waging war against foundational aspects of humanity
Two spirits and Hijra are just two examples. Gender non conforming folks have been around longer than there was an understanding of gender to conform to
“Im an alpha-male with strictly adhered to behaviors defining my masculinity opposed to beta-males exhibiting different behaviors. Also people who study or think about gender should be rounded up and killed.”
Is it so far fetched that humans are so fucking complex and more advanced than every being on this earth that maybe, maybe that our brains are so complex that there is more to us than just penis man vagina woman
The fact that grown adults get to live comfortable lives afforded to them by doing nothing else but pushing hate fueled rhetoric is one of the greatest failings of society and should be wiped off the face of the earth.
probs not opus dei itself but a divide between church dogma and the queer community. francis is a jesuit and has done things which opus dei would hate like letting trans people be baptized.
the issue is that “love the sinner not the sin” will always marginalise when existence is considered a sin.
yeah, that’s because he’s a jesuit and they tend to be a surprisingly progressive order. he’s friends with the jesuit priest james martin, who does advocacy work for lgbtq catholics.
there are people in the catholic church trying to do the right thing. the problem is they’re bound by the catechism.
Besides, the only “gender ideology” at play here is the rigid “there’s only 2 genders and it only ever directly correlates to your genitals” game that western society has made us play for so long.
This is exactly what confuses me when I hear them say things like that. They're the only ones pushing a gender ideology, we're simply rejecting the indoctrination.
Are they using their definition of "gender ideology" or the Catholic churches? Either way it's genocidal talk and removal of women's rights. GOP, evangelicals, Vatican, UK Tory party and media, and Kremlin up to their neck in it. It's enough to write a formal ICC complaint and seek a warrant.
Ykw, ironically, I actually kind of agree with them: *THEIR* gender ideology needs to be wiped off of the face of the Earth. *We* reserve the right to exist.
It's fascinating that they don't even realize these statements are completely inconsistent with the free speech maximalist position they claim to champion.
Gender ideology in our home went like this: 3 yr old grandchild says “ I’m a girl inside but I have a boy’s costume on”. We brainwashed a child for 3 year apparently 🙃 Our granddaughter is now 25 & happy. How dare these people tell us who’s more worthy of life.
As if Elon Musk will ever face the ICC. One can hope, but I doubt it. America can only prevent an internal genocide, not extradite its perpetrators after the fact.
Have any of them ever tried to pull you into a public debate or argument? You are wicked smart in putting together explanations that even I can see crush the bullshit rhetoric they keep spewing.
As their buddy Alex Jones loves to point out, "ideas are bulletproof." He is, of course, quoting V for Vendetta, a movie he is incapable of distinguishing from reality.
what is gender ideology even? like identifying as straight cis men? are they wanting to just have everyone be non-binary genderless? even if you play devils advocate here it doesn't make sense. the spectrum and plane of existence philosophically must include all or none right?
"Any situation in which some men prevent others from engaging in the process of inquiry is one of violence;… to alienate humans from their own decision making is to change them into objects."
Paulo Freire, Pedagogy of the Oppressed
Yet they are too stupid to realize that. When Hitler targeted the LGBTQ community, many people were silent because it wasn't their community. Fascism tends to always to find a new enemy.
This is the end goal of so called “gender critical ideology” because every inch you surrender to them is never enough because the ultimate goal is the eradication of trans people from society.
Also, I'm pretty sure a lawyer could make the argument that this is unconstitutional on the basis that Americans have freedom of religion, thus freedom to believe whatever we wish.
To say one idea is unacceptable is to say one belief is not allowed in this country. It's UnAmerican.
Ironic considering they’re the ones trying to force everyone into their strict gender ideology of a limiting binary that no one’s allowed to budge from and that you’re harshly punished for not being able to fit into. Fuck these transphobic shitheads.
I truly believe the democrats should be promoting themselves as the party of freedom and the right to self-determination. While trans rights are under attack, the right wants to control all people and tell everyone how to live. We need to show this is an attack on all.
It’s infuriating that the side that’s constantly screaming about “my freedom to live how I choose” is also the side that wants to kill people for living how they choose.
I think it's creepier than that. He's pushed the idea that Neuralink could one day cure autism. Going by his retweets he also thinks "transgenderism" is just a symptom of autism. When you put those together...
If we were to say something like "Christianity needs to be wiped off the face of the planet," they would definitely cry persecution and could see it for what it really is. But Elmo has no problem throwing his own daughter under the bus.
For this Xmas why not buy the MAGA lover of your life an exclusive bottle of Elons ‘musk’.
With strong scents of megalomania and conspiracy, it is guaranteed to awaken the Insel in you.
N.B. Causes paranoia and irrationality after prolonged usage…
Using his logic, hyper toxic masculinity is fair game (whatever gender ideology is).
But who's playing? They can play murderball with their own damn lives, not ours.
That he's a bigot who abuses his trans daughter that he did not bother to raise or that the cybertruck is a piece of shit and we all should buy F-150 raptors instead?.
Ironic that they can't see they are the ones with a gender Ideology. Based on a 2k y/o collection of 3k y/o scrolls a C+ knowledge of 6th grade biology and blind hate. Their Ideology wants to erase the right to Gender Identity for a population who have fought all their lives to each have their own.
Unfortunately the ‘unknown fool’ James Esses is a foghorn mouthpiece of the anti-trans movement in the UK. He is listened to. And he’s not the only one who’s spoken in genocidal terms. See also Helen ‘there need to be fewer of these people’ Joyce who is lauded in anti-trans circles in the UK.
The craziest part is that James Esses literally got expelled from a universitu psychology program for ethics concerns after he tried to groom and harm vulnerable kids on an lgbtq helpline
Exactly this. The national children’s charity Childline for whom he was volunteering, sacked him as a safeguarding problem. His like-minded anti-trans supporters laud him as a ‘whistleblower’.
He didn’t “blow the whistle” on anything. He was sacked because he provably groomed vulnerable children because he wanted to harm trans children who called.
He’s a narcissistic megalomaniac. Vivian calling him out for it is what enrages him to the utmost extent, and that’s why he will shape the entire government to make sure no trans person can get support, get a job, get property, hide, defend, or escape. All because of his ego.
What a vile PoS he is. Taking down his own daughter in an interview with that other PoS Jordan Peterson. She is a bigger and better person than either of them. 👏👏👏 to her for denouncing and disowning.
Oddly enough, the people who bemoan "gender ideology" all seem to have very strong ideas about what masculinity and femininity can and should be, and who should be allowed to express them.
If only they understood that every society has social constructs or it doesnt exist. They want so much to control the human mind to force it to be "normal" forever to the point they need the fear of a supernatural being to control the soul with shame and guilt.
This, it is the ur rationalist meme through the ages.
Early christianity used it on the gnostics.
Christianity used it to justify it's spread.
Catholics used it to justify colonialism.
Protestants used it against the catholic church.
Same core idea, passed down through the western memeplex.
Gender is composed of dozens of features, both physical and mental, that on occasion are simply mixed. I realized that the first time I saw a woman with an adams apple.
I wonder how they wo uld even go about it. History has gender-benders despite being generally much more conservative. Even modern conservative countries like those in the middle-east and Russia have sexual and gender minorities in secrecy. The "free speech" pretender doesn't seem to like freedom.
Many trans women I know are ex-military and own guns (and regularly practice their skills). Not sure why this isn't more widely understood, transphobes should be the scared ones
Soo... What would we call them when referring to them besides idiots or PoS? If gender ideology goes away so does all the "traditional" gender ideology... Dumfuqs! The right is so beautiful in their ignorant stupidity.
He's a British transphobe. Was kicked out of his job at Childline for - allegedly - taking kids details and trying to get in touch with them outside the organisation so he could do conversion therapy on them. Or something like that.
"I don't want to wipe out a whole group of people, just the ideology that says they should be allowed to exist." - A very reasonable and nuanced take that is definitely distinct from genocide.
This is why they are told their attacks on lgbt plus people will be traumatic, especially to our youth and trans folks.. they don't care. They build in the cruelty, and increased self-harm in this vulnerable group is a bonus effect they enjoy.
That is why we must acknowledge that things are not ok... they may never be ok... but that being said, in all the terror and hatred, it can be survivable. We fight on another day and hope can take root to new futures. They want lgbt people to self-destruct. Protect yourself and live.
A Buddhist like me would tend to agree that gender ideology should be a thing of the past, however that's more to do with eradicating the perceived differences between genders rather than persecuting any one minority in service of reinforcing gender norms.
Admittedly, I don't think it's particularly *likely* that they'll do that, at least in the next few years (though only due to the sheer incompetence of the incoming administration), but that doesn't change the fact that, if sufficiently motivated and organized, they absolutely could destroy us
That's because people who say that don't know the Nazis targeted gay and trans people before the Jews. They don't know those were some of the first books burned.
Makes them feel better to say that. Like people working next to concentration camps and just pretending it wasn't happening (not quite so extreme, but I hope you get my point). Human psychology is weird, and it's scary how easily masses can deny unspeakable things.
Cis people don't seem to realize—or want to accept—that in order for "they can't actually do this" to hold true, people need to step the fuck up and stop cowering behind optics and fence sitting to the point they've sanded that post to a nub.
I've compiled the thread below mainly for Americans, who are unfamiliar with what we're seeing in the exchange above. TL;DR: it's not just Jim Crow era white supremacy or Reagan era anti-LGBTQ bigotry.
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I believe firmly in free speech in the US but not freedom from consequences for that rhetoric.
All their fault
You can’t oppose “ideology” with more ideology.
TW: the snails are not nice
I'm so happy we can play a full video in the notifications
of my life.
Rich doesn’t mean sane, secure or intelligent. Sometimes it just means someone is a manipulative POS.
Yet he prattles on about being PM.....
If the "pretty boy" and "brown man" (Jagmeet Singh) couldn't do that, why does he think he can
No fucking pockets in women's clothing!!! Lol 😆 kidding.....
Also, fascism should be wiped off the planet.
The real question is, what will they do when they realize that's not the case?
I don't think we'll like the answer
Biology, medical science, and the like support transgender people as a valid aspect of the human condition.
Fascism always loses in the end. The sooner we make people understand that, the more lives we can save in the meantime.
Fighting. Real horror and blood.
Are you okay with that answer? Because it's the only damn thing that worked before.
All I see in America is escapism.
But sometimes what I want is irrelevant. We have to deal with the situation forced upon us by the dumbest and worst people in the country, by preventing as much harm as we can.
Fuck your feelings, Christofascists.
Even if we all disappear. Given enough time we would amass again.
We are a core part of what makes humanity human. And we will never disappear as long as people don't.
So long as mutation, errors and variation exist in life, some equivalent or approximate will arise somewhere else. Not as exact as we express them, yet still present.
I'm convinced they're trying to create a specific type of soldier
with camps, with torture, electroshocks, medication, abuse. So much abuse.
And yet we, as a community are still here. We were always here. We'll always be here. Because we are one of the facets of humanity and you cant eradicate that.
just saying gender is inherent to the human spirit and older than what the american alt right are saying
He and his followers are goose stepping one step closer to becoming Nazi’s and there current course of persecution of others.
Elon Musk 5 seconds later: “We must ban discussions on gay rights cause it hurts my feelings”
it’s not a real phrase, it’s all about fear and control. what anyone who uses the term is actually scared of is bodily autonomy.
(the church is still just as awful btw; the new pope likened “gender ideology” to nukes)
the issue is that “love the sinner not the sin” will always marginalise when existence is considered a sin.
there are people in the catholic church trying to do the right thing. the problem is they’re bound by the catechism.
If it reads like Nazi shit then it's Nazi shit.
They chase killing the Us that resides within themselves.
Paulo Freire, Pedagogy of the Oppressed
To say one idea is unacceptable is to say one belief is not allowed in this country. It's UnAmerican.
Elon Musk: Goebbels Incarnate.
trans daughter dead. But he’s just a misunderstood genius actually
Two white guys demanding gender ideology be erased.
Next what?
It's Elon...so any non white cis people.
With strong scents of megalomania and conspiracy, it is guaranteed to awaken the Insel in you.
N.B. Causes paranoia and irrationality after prolonged usage…
But who's playing? They can play murderball with their own damn lives, not ours.
That he's a bigot who abuses his trans daughter that he did not bother to raise or that the cybertruck is a piece of shit and we all should buy F-150 raptors instead?.
He is enraged that he cannot control his daughter
He is a very dangerous man.
Early christianity used it on the gnostics.
Christianity used it to justify it's spread.
Catholics used it to justify colonialism.
Protestants used it against the catholic church.
Same core idea, passed down through the western memeplex.
Any means.
He's a piece of work.
Oh, but they very much can & they very much will unless they are stopped. I've never been more scared in my entire life 💔