Trump now saying — contrary to his previous statements and those of federal officials — that people removed from the U.S. to El Salvador are in the “sole custody” of El Salvador
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Constitutional Crisis. Trying to game 5th and 8th amendments and habeas corpus by a unilateral, executive federal contract with a foreign nation is system breaking. He’s basically stepped outside the U.S. Constitution and threatening to segue into its destruction.
Anna, if he can get away with that, what's to stop Trump and Gestapo Barbie Kristi Noem/DHS from detaining and removing anyone, including US citizens, from US soil and jurisdiction to a Russian penal colony or any other authoritarian nation, and saying they're in that country's "sole custody"?
By saying this, he is putting the responsibility on El Salvador. If anything happens to any of the detainees, Frump and Krusty can blame it on El Salvador.
Too true. Except Frump and Krusty sent them there in violation of the Constitution. It’s our duty to keep reminding them it’s on them. This can’t just get swept under the rug like everything else.
These evil criminals will no longer be free to get innocent tattoos, be gay, be a makeup artist, or any other vile and dangerous anti-American activities!
“this separation of powers thang is important . We should add something like “ if a court orders a president to do something, they must do it or resign within a week”
They both laugh.
“Dude, not needed…any elected president will of course be ethical..”
In other words, he doesn't care what the Supreme Court says. Unprecedented times for America. Now the ball is in the SCs hand, will they back down, if they do then he's the king of America and can do no wrong, they've driven themselves into a wall of their own choosing.
If that happens then our government has failed, then that means it's time for the people to take the country back with a good revolution. If we got everyone from the protests to march to Washington and ripped him and his cronies out of office, we could end this ourselves.
More villification of brown people. No concern whatsoever for the poor soul who was illegally abducted and tossed in a foreign prison. Unfit for any public office.
This is so deeply messed up. There are hundreds of innocent people locked up indefinitely in a torture prison in another country so Trump can look like a strongman and we are all just going about our lives life everything is normal.
I keep wondering why the streets are not full of people screaming about this??? When they protest in other places around the western world so many thousands of people come. Where is the response in 🇺🇸? Where is the national day of action or nationwide strike? Things won't get better...
Racism. His supporters support this because they consider the people in prison ‘other’. It’s disgusting but it’s just regular old racism like it always is.
But what about all of the people that DO NOT support him. He does not have the support of a majority of the adults in the US. Where is the fighting spirit? Democracy is imploding. For reals. And yes his supporters are racist and part of a cult believing everything he says.
I imagine people who source their news from right wing media don’t have the full picture, but the rest of us, including elected Democrats, should be making non stop noise because we can’t let this become the new normal.
We need to be! There’s another nationwide protest next Saturday the 19th. Find a local event. I went last weekend and there were 30k people there. Look up 5050. Last time was 5 million, hopefully it’s 7 million next week. People of all ages, families, even dogs!
💯 I keep wondering if its completely off-base (aside from dangerous on these Florida streets) for me to get out and hold a sign for a few hours a day. Once every couple of weeks is not enough. 😕
Find your nearest Tesla dealership and start there with a sign. You'll soon find people joining you, make friends, can coordinate protest schedules together. . .
Only POC & Queer need to protest? What about women & access to abortion/healthcare? Or protesting war? I grew up going to protests & only stopped when I was 6 months pregnant protesting George Bush & his policies, because the cops started using rubber bullets.
Yeah and the news is barely covering it. Having 15,000 people is nice and all, and I love them both, but that won't do much. I've been to many 15,000 gatherings like that and nothing usually comes of it. Sorry, but this is an emergency. Something a wee bit more impactful needs to happen. Like BLM.
The momentum and movement is building. It is painfully slow because as the world knows, the USA will do the right thing only after exhausting all other options. Or whatever Churchill said.
I'm not being glib or making light of it. Just very hoarse and frustrated and scared.
Also I'm recently realizing, as I try to rally troops for 4/19 turnout, unfortunately, that the regime wildly succeeded in their opening shock-&-awe demoralization campaign. So we're learning on the fly how to shake our friends & neighbors out of their inert numb inaction, that IT'S NOT A DRILL.
People don’t understand who spread out we are. To drive from my town to dc is two hours, and I live Virginia. From Roanoke, Virginia it’s 6 hours. So we protest in our own cities. You can get from London to Paris quicker.
Have you seen the French protesting in the countryside? Have you seen the idiotic freedom truckers in Canada who took over a city for 2 weeks to protest getting a shot? Fight and protest can happen. And it NEEDS to happen in the US or y'all are screwed!
Being an ICE agent is about to get a whole lot more dangerous once it sinks in that they're a death squad and cooperating with them means you'll never be seen again.
Donny, you are a menace to society. Guess you should be locked up to in El Salvador’s notorious prison too. Hopefully no other countries will allow prisoners from the US into their countries.
They tried already, the response that it couldn't be disclosed under some sort of diplomatic privilege IIRC. At that point (from a lot of FOIA litigation experience) the job is to give it to the trial judge under seal and let them figure out whether that excuse is real or bullshit.
Abrego Garcia’s lawyers asked for discovery on this issue, in the form of a copy of the contract. The nature and scope of this contract appears to be a critical issue, not just for Abrego Garcia but for the other alleged detainees under the Alien Enemies Act.
The U.S. is paying El Salvador $6 million a year to hold these people prisoner. I believe that the “customer is always right” and Trump is paying for a service, so for him to say he has no jurisdiction is b.s. Unless he’s admitting that he’s a weak leader and can be manipulated by a tiny country…
He writes El Salvador will take all those who fall under the Aliens Enemy act. However, it’s been proven that some people don’t fall under the act, & therefore cannot be the sole custody of El Salvador. They should still be brought home for due process bc they haven’t been processed to begin with
"Like this hairdresser from Los Angeles who had a tattoo with a ball with all these hexagons and pentagons on it.... and he says 'no, it''s football.....' and then I reply, 'I don't see any team in the NFL using a round ball.'"
Not to mention Krusty jist took an opportunity to make an effing commercial in front of one of their cells but NO ONE can find a way to return him to the US?? Bullshit!
Just proves the Supreme Court needs to be a little more supreme! Trump needs dates and times to get shit done. All 9 agreed on due process! I would hope ALL Americans get royally pissed if at this. He wants royal let’s give him ROYAL PISSED OFF!
Obviously the President of El Salvador is more powerful and stronger than trump. If trump is too weak to get this man back he should resign immediately. Some deal maker. 🙄
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What will Justice Roberts say? Oh that's right, Roberts invented the doctrine of presidential immunity out of whole cloth and bestowed it upon the reigning monarch of the United States.
These posts are for people who don't read , don't think and don't care. These people are terrorists. Except the people who aren't terrorists ,only they're terrorists ,too. And I don't have anything to do with it.
I'm glad you admit your posts are for the uneducated. Think about it for a minute... let's say ICE arrests you with no warrant presented... and then ship you to El Salvador... without a trial.
"But I'm a US Citizen!"
"That's what they all say......"
I'm sorry. I should have clarified that I meant Trump's truth social posts. I was not referring to the posts made here, nor the people who make the posts. All apologies.
Bullshit. If El Salvador can be paid to take people and indefinitely enslave them, then they can be paid to release one. Just like ours, this is not a government with any ethical standards.
The United States used to be strong and respected. Now this A-hole in chief needs to grovel to get our innocent people back after he Oopsie sent them there.
He himself got so much more due process than he deserved.
If only we knew somebody with the power to compel El Salvador to release an innocent man that WE sent there.
Somebody transactional, who could use his awesome 'deal making' skills to effectuate a release.
Maybe he could pay them to release him as much as he paid them to imprison him.
If only.
Trump is now admitting he & the United States have no power to request the release of a wrongful imprisoned American citizen’s spouse. Is he neutered and ineffective in dealing with El Salvador? Or - even worse - Trump knows Abrego Garcia is not alive & he’s covering his own murderous ass.
Aren't "we" paying them something like 8 million (per body?) to take them?? They're not doing it to eradicate anything. They're taking them for the taxpayers money he's giving them.
The same people who are saying they lack the ability to recover those sent to El Salvador are the ones who want to annex Panama, Gaza, Greenland and Canada.
Certainly it’s reckless disregard for their lives. The US has no right to export people to counties known for egregious human rights violations, based on what it says was a “clerical error” (otherwise known as having brown black skin).
Trump handed over Abrego Garcia to another dictator and is now absolving himself of the consequences, saying whatever happens (or already happened) to him is up to the Bukele regime.
Unlike the squishy SCOTUS ruling "here is your off ramp DJT, deference to foreign affairs and that judge does not have the authority to tell El Salvador how to run its country" and DJT promptly replies with Sole Custody.
Again, Robert was not chastising DJT w the take it to appeal, he was coaching
@cbsnews.com 60 minutes validated these are not criminals. Please do a special and call out this blatant lie and bring people to the table who have seen these horrific conditions. Highlight we have paid them $7M for a 1 year deal. Don’t let this lie go.
Wtf? Graciously accepted? he’s getting paid for the deportees. It’s an evil mercenary transaction. He’s holding up El Salvador as a beacon of human rights. Madness.
I still don it understand how these people can be imprisoned in El Salvador when they did commit any crimes in El Salvador? If they are being held in El Salvador on behalf of the US, then they are technically in US custody. Otherwise they are being detained against their will.
I’d be interested if someone has a better answer but I think the US isn’t generally mandating all people who are deported must be imprisoned. El Salvador could just release them
Once they are deported the new country gains control over them even if the US worked with that country to send them there
Without evidence or trial, the US has trafficked them to El Salvador (to a prison no one has ever gotten out of), and then the US claims they have no responsibility for them. If it walks like a Nazi, and talks like a Nazi…
Our illegal contract with El Salvador says that we maintain jurisdiction over the prisoners. Either El Salvador sends the prisoner back, or Trump must admit being defeated by El Salvador. This would make Trump the weakest US president ever in the eyes of the world. https://bsky.app/profile/rgoodlaw.bsky.social/post/3lmnpgxu62k2z
Same here. I’m 65, and I need Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. I’m not sure I’ll make it to see the end of this administration, but I’m starting to get used to the idea that I won’t. I wonder what will happen if more and more people start to understand they have literally nothing to lose? 🤷🏻♀️
The Trump admin has no interest trying to improve conditions in El Salvador prisons. Trump’s admin paid El Salvador to imprison the people we send them, no questions asked, because of their notorious record of human rights violations.
Exactly. US officials have clearly stated (before trying to weasel out of SC decision) that we are paying El Salvador $6m as contract prison. Were not extradited. They are now saying they 'belong' to El Salvador? Didn't we just traffic people? Venezuelan citizens just got trafficked to El Salvador?
We don’t actually know how many committed crimes and how many did not, nor what their “crimes” are as none of them had any due process. They should all be returned to the US for due process. Those determined to have engaged in crimes should have sentences specific to the crime(s) in humane prisons.
Well that's kind of different because he's not really threatening the country. He just wants control of the canal. The others he wants our whole country for the minerals.
JFC. This is the reason he wants a trillion dollar defense budget. I thought Putin wanted to take over the world. Trump is worse. I don't know why he needs the Panama Canal. Nobody will be trading with him anyway.
Exactly like he wants control of Greenland for control of the Arctic, control of Canada for our resources, and Panama to control trade and economic power.
Very surprising to see someone say that there is a difference. Control of any part of a sovereign nation is the exact same thing.
I saw that this morning. Unbelievable. I hope Pete finds his anti-woke all white male military dwindling in numbers. They don't want to give returned veterans anything, so why put your life on the line for nothing?
What’s to stop any future democratic president, if king Trump allows us to have free and fair elections, to deport five conservative SCOTUS judges and then saying, we have no authority over them any more
El Salvador has no reason to refuse to release him. We pay El Salvador to take these people & imprison them. We can tell El Salvador to keep the money & give us the man. They have no reason to keep the man in a prison & feed & house him for the rest of his life. Trump doesn’t want him back.
Perhaps President Bukele should be mandated to bring all the wrongly accused prisoners currently in his concentration camp along with him? It would kill 2 birds with one stone & save the US $$$
You know what pisses me off about this Trump tweet?
He is egging on, he is HAPPY in the tweet. He's gloating.
This is fascism, this is fascism, when the dear leader can do whatever he wants and thumbs his nose at the judicial branch. It is only the Judicial Branch who can reign him in.
Congress has all the power to stop this. It would take veto override to pass a law, But Congress could end this practice. Or, even less likely, vote to impeach and hope the senate plays ball.
There's only one explanation that fits the whole dodgy, mendacious, Stephen Miller-is-running-things picture: they're killing the prisoners. Abrego Garcia was probably cremated a week ago. Somebody please prove me wrong.
If so, I genuinely hope Americans can kiss their tourism goodbye for quite a long time. And I hope the relatives of killed prisoners will press charges. Say hello to the reputation of North Korea.
I'm in Canada, and no one around here wants to visit the US. I have a friend who loved to visit US national park lodges. Last night she told me that she's not visiting the US again.
The US admits it had no right to deport Garcia to El Salvador for any reason. The US pays El Salvador to keep the people we send them in prison. El Salvador is our lapdog, doing what we tell them to do. All we have to do is tell them to release this man back into US custody, & fly him home.
How is this not beyond the pale of what anyone in the USA who believes in the US Constitution will tolerate?
Anyone supporting this Trumpian over-reach is a dyed-in-the-wool American fascist.
...so I've been wondering (and finally saw some posts as well from way smarter folks), what is the agreement with El Salvador to do this? I get that this administration lives off of "absolute" vibes but where is the agreement- who is signing for these terms?
#TrumpsElSalvadoreConcentrationCamp Seems to me the President of El Salvador might be concerned about repercussions in a few years….severe repercussions.
I'm sure there's room on Bukele's plane for Kilmar Abrego Garcia to travel back to the USofA. After all, he has fewer criminal charges than the convicted felon rapist racist misogynist malignant narcissist imbecile welcoming the dictator of El Salvador to the White House.
his is a clear violation of these detainees’ human rights. The United Nations Human Rights Council needs to step in, at the very least, to ensure the situation is documented and acknowledged on the record.
The State Dept. has upgraded the travel advisory to #ElSalvador exactly one day before #Bukele visit. According to our govt, it's now safer to visit than countries like Denmark.
“President Bukele has graciously accepted into his Nation's custody some of the most violent alien enemies of the World and, in particular, the United States.”
From Trump’s ‘Tweet’, not official communication from the White House.
Now argue it from the side that favors lifetime appointments. What happens when you lose a Justice you like and he/she will likely be replaced by another Thomas or Alito?
We did--after RBG. Term limits would get rid of them faster, than waiting for them to die or step down. I'm good for a 10-yr appt. If you can't accomplish anything in 10, you leave. Everyone else--no more than 2 terms. I have no "pros" for lifetime terms. They were the kingdom & they gave it away.
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In addition to being in the streets about everything else.
“this separation of powers thang is important . We should add something like “ if a court orders a president to do something, they must do it or resign within a week”
They both laugh.
“Dude, not needed…any elected president will of course be ethical..”
Gaslighting folks right to their faces, just pure nazi shit.
Not that criminals should be shipped off to a foreign slave labour camp either.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-deportations-salvador-tren-aragua-64e72142a171ea57c869c3b35eeecce7
We are a society whose majority still has to *learn* to protest, bc unless you're POC or queer here, you haven't experienced an existential need to.
(Nobody @ me for an imperfect generalization u know it)
Hope you're right about the millions.
I knew my two examples, limited to a tweet instead of a term paper, would miss a bunch of *issue-specific* protests, and said as much.
It doesn't change the point, so I'm begging us not to squander our debate energy where we don't have to.
Protesting was something our parents/grandparents did in the 60’s.
I'm not being glib or making light of it. Just very hoarse and frustrated and scared.
But this is different...this is the death of democracy!!!!! If this isn't worth driving 6 hours to fight for, what the hell is?
FOIA the contract.
The hostages are also in the sole custody of Hamas too.
He's probably going to have some explaining to do...
Every person responsible for this anti-constitutional BULLSHIT needs to be FN removed from any position of power right now.
These are IMPEACHABLE, ILLEGAL, actions and they are TREASON.
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I cannot believe he prevaricated like that.
But if this is not fought tooth and nail, all he has to do is hand anyone he hates to Bukele, and it is over for due process.
It is another thing if he gets to do it without any opposition.
"But I'm a US Citizen!"
"That's what they all say......"
And then you're gone b/c no one questions it.
He himself got so much more due process than he deserved.
Somebody transactional, who could use his awesome 'deal making' skills to effectuate a release.
Maybe he could pay them to release him as much as he paid them to imprison him.
If only.
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Because the guy is already dead.
Again, Robert was not chastising DJT w the take it to appeal, he was coaching
Wow good for you. Tyrant
He must be impeached. This is certainly a high crime.
Once they are deported the new country gains control over them even if the US worked with that country to send them there
Very surprising to see someone say that there is a difference. Control of any part of a sovereign nation is the exact same thing.
Is there another country or organization or even billionaire who’s in a position to put pressure on El Salvador?
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Article 8 begs to differ.
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/20-1210-El-Salvador-Asylum-Cooperative-Agreement.pdf
First hand experience.
He is egging on, he is HAPPY in the tweet. He's gloating.
This is fascism, this is fascism, when the dear leader can do whatever he wants and thumbs his nose at the judicial branch. It is only the Judicial Branch who can reign him in.
The guy is lousy at this!!
#Fail
No, threatining citizens is the government's job, and the government hates competition.
Anyone supporting this Trumpian over-reach is a dyed-in-the-wool American fascist.
https://www.ngrippel.com/ngr-politics.html
Last evening he said that he would bring someone back of SCOTUS told him to. He has the capability.
Stop paying the fee, El Salvador will stop incarcerating them.
So (surprise!) Trump is lying.
This is fucked.
From Trump’s ‘Tweet’, not official communication from the White House.
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