If your argument is "sure, a terrible modern event has a parallel in the 1920s and 30s but don't worry we turned out just fine", might I suggest reading about the 1940s.
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1941: the AlienEnemiesAct was used to sweep up 31k Japanese, Italians, and Germans and led to the mass removal and indefinite detention in concentration camps of 125k Japanese and citizen children. Loss of property, and massive violations of the U.S. Constitution.
125,000 Japanese and Japanese Americans (mostly children) were held in detention in 75 different sites, most famously the ten major ones: Manzanar (CA), Heart Mtn (WY), Topaz (UT), Minidoka (ID), Tule Lake (CA), Gila (AZ), Amache (CO), Poston (AZ), Jerome/Rohwer (AR), and Crystal City(TX.)
They were run by the Army, by the DOJ, by the War Relocation Authority, and several were on land grabbed from Indian reservations.
No due process, no chance to defend oneself/family, scapegoated by politicians pandering to their constituents' racism. Made "illegal" by the government.
Does this sound familiar? Trump riling up animosity towards Mexicans and Venezuelans (sure to increase the list later) and justifying it by saying they are "illegal" based on our inadequate immigration system even though we NEED immigrant labor which helps fuel our economy.
Ok but those responsible for ALL of this don’t believe in history. They are getting rid of education for all so the only ones left are the wealthy who believe they don’t need it!
They’re planning to make it a for-profit system with vouchers. Each state will decide how education money is used. Red states will put much less money toward helping students who need extra help. There will be a lot of children left behind in red states.
Have you read Parable of the Sower? My daughter and I are going with a friend to the range next weekend so he can teach us to shoot, and I’ve never liked guns.
Yes. I find violence abhorrent, but we live in the world we live in. I hate touching grass, dirt, bugs (ick), etc. but we live in the world we live in. Therefore, to get ready for the future, I will force myself to shoot and farm. I have kids, so I have to woman up.
Reading? Reading? Our reality-TV conman co-President can't be bothered to read anything, and neither can his followers. Reading - indeed any form of knowledge - is woke, doncha know.
The United States fights a major war every time Uranus enters Gemini (Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWII). Guess what happens in July? Uranus enters Gemini.
So, the period between 2025 - 2033 will be like 1941 - 1949. We'll fight a war. Hopefully the good guys will win but that's an unknown
Imagine you are military airplains creator. If you look at this plane that came back to base and intepret it as "there is a lot of holes in spot x,y,z, we need to reinforce this parts, they get hit often", then you making an error. Probably the other parts get hit just as often, but you don't see it
because planes that got hit there simply didn't came back. So the parts of surving planes without holes are the ones that actually need reinforcement, since plane can't flight anymore, if damaged there. But you can miss it, if you too focus on units, that are back and don't wonder about others.
Thank you for making this simple to understand. I appreciate you taking the time to explain it, I was totally clueless and now I am going to mull this over for a bit.
This world is going to shit and, as it happened with Hitler, the saddest thing is that PEOPLE VOTED FOR THAT OPTION.
Yes, you can say “I didn’t vote”, but then… exactly… if you didn’t vote Democrats it’s the same as if you voted for Trump. The fucken same.
Agree! There were Millions that didn’t vote & that is unacceptable & they should be ashamed. There were people who sacrificed their lives so you could have the right to vote. The women’s movement & the civil rights led to The Voting Rights Act. They all fought hard to be given the right to vote
Also abstaining from voting is a vote for the wrong thing. We must exercise our right to vote before it is taken from us.
As Plato stated: "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors."
And don’t forget the checks and balances in play then, which are totally missing now. The felon has unfettered authority and the musk druggie has complete access. No one is stopping them.
Totally agree! Personally, I'd like to skip the Depression & World War II. Don't really wanna put my family friends, neighbors, and country through that.
it took 20+ MILLION Russians to die killing Nazis bc Britain thought Slavic lives mattered less and refused to open a real 2nd front for yrs. Soviets killed 80% of Nazi soldiers. But after all this Russia-hate, Russians ain’t dying for ur ass this time. Who’s gonna save the world from US Nazis now?
yah, just fine after 75-85 MILLION people were killed, countless more wounded, crippled, traumatized, orphaned, widowed, raped, tortured, violated in every way. Not to mention the destruction of cities and ecospheres and the total upheaval for pretty much every life on the planet. Other than that...
Here’s a few suggestions. PREQUEL is @maddow.msnbc.com’s excellent retelling of part of that period.
“The German Report” is a pay2print at B&N.
I’m reading “Under Cover”, the 1943 bestseller, now only available on #eBay. As is “Black Mail,” also excellent.
I remember a story about a woman at some sort of town hall in the UK arguing about how evil Muslims were because they intentionally killed civilians and was, like, "in WWII, we didn't target civillians". All eyes turned on her and someone shouted "Dresden!".
I had somebody equivocate what their kid did in a school play to elon’s nazi salute (alleged).
These people have been convinced to have a strong emotional component to their political beliefs, creating blind loyalty and making them incapable of accepting a chance they might have been misled.
We came out fine? I guess if you were a straight, white man you did but everyone else was disadvantaged. Remarkable when the privileged don’t know they are privileged. Born on 3rd base and think you hit a triple.
I posted a news story about Trump giving a pardon to former Democrat Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich, who was convicted on several federal charges of corruption and fraud. Surprisingly, I've not had any comments full of excuses and butwhataboutisms from Trump's uneducated base.
Might I remind everyone that we are NOT the good guys on the side of the allies this time, we have been taken over to the side of the axis, and there is no one coming to save us!
True axis of evil.As always,we save ourselves. "Ask not what your country can do for you.Ask what you can do for your country." JFK "We are the ones we have been waiting for...the change we seek." Obama Call your Senators EVERY DAY.Tell them you're angry abt their confirmations & why.Meet IN PERSON!
Yes it is so so helpful to read about Hitler and the Nazis and the path taken to the war and concentration camps. Only then they might realize the horror on our country!
Thank you. I have people in my life who have used a similar argument. Many people did not make it through whatever bad time they might be thinking of, and for those who did, it was because people fought. Sitting this out and assuming it will all work itself out is selfish and ignorant.
I feel like some people don't understand empathy or are incapable. Sure, "we came out fine," but much was sacrificed for the greater good. Many people in the US have forgotten those sacrifices and are doomed to follow others that will lead us down a dark path for selfish gains. Tales as old as time.
I grew up in its shadow by way of the adults around me, the abundance of WW2 movies, and actual footage of what they found in liberating the camps. It was so real, some of us had dreams of running from Nazi’s.
The "1000-year-Reich" lasted 12 years. It ended with massive destruction, death, plunder & rape. The *azi "leaders" committed suicide, were executed, or imprisoned for years (Speer).
This will not end well.
My grandfather worked for the airforce and NASA and we just had to have those nasty scientists and their V2 rocket knowledge. Britain took some and so did Russia. Overall, the US did not want those men going to Russia for the space race
You’re forgetting the part where their lead scientists were brought over to the US and pardoned and formed the CIA if they brought all their R&D over with them. You know, the guys doing human experimentation on Jews in the concentration camps?
And I’m sure those Nazi pukes were upstanding citizens and refrained from politics the rest of their lives ?! (/s). Let’s also not* mention Prescott Bush (ya that Bush) laundering money for Nazis AFTER the war ended; never punished. The boys club with Dulles & all the other skull n bones members.
Or the Iran-Contra affairs which were lead by the CIA and the US, the Middle East fuckups that started with Prescott Bush or the many many countries that we’ve gone into and fucked up in the name of capitalism
Just explained to my liberal, pink-haired hairdresser about the history of the Great Depression, and then we moved onto McCarthyism, the Red Scare and a history of mass delusion in this country. She listened intently but knew nothing about these things. Our education system has led to this moment.
Whoever survives will probably be ok 30 years from now, fascism will destroy itself if we don't destroy it first, but in the immediate future there is going to be a lot of avoidable suffering, and the sooner we stop the fascists, the less suffering there will be.
With the caveat that the last time the most powerful countries in the world were all authoritarian states was hundreds of years ago. Long before modern warfare, weapons, and (most critically) nukes. Think about how the “endless war” of 1984 would look in a post-nuclear world.
I have been been begging the Democrats for over a decade to organize mobilize and synchronize a resistance. Institutionalize the resistance and make it permanent. Don't want to stick it to the right. I want to take power from strongmen. https://worldwidewebolution.com, https://motherofallboycotts.com
Most are not able to read much less comprehend. We're going to need quite the remedial curriculum to even get back to the paltry level we were recently at.
Start in 1914, look at 1918, roaring 20 with a big wealthy vs poverty division aka roaring 20’s, complete failure in economics, recovery for some but not Germany, hitler rise, death out of control, Korean war, more death, etc. I can keep going but it takes change in events to change the outcome.
If you can't get to a European cemetery, visit one of the US national cemeteries and see the ocean of dead young people who got there fighting the very thing we've just embraced here.
30s/40s. Then in the 50s we had McCarthism. I began screaming about him the day he came down the fake golden elevator and gave that speech. We are steamrolling toward Nazism. I write novels about Nazi Germany and we're not slow walking, we're running toward it. This started with Newt in the 90s
I even told my husband when we were dating and went to NYC this very story, long before trump came into office.
I refused to go into his tower, and I said, it's something bad about this man.
I could feel it coming. Call it what you want, but these feelings are usually right.
What's funny is when I was little like 10 at most, I remember reading a magazine and seeing trump's face and asking my mom why he was being talked about.
She said bc he cheated.
I remember seeing his face and knowing then it was something bad about this man,I could feel it coming.
30 year recovery. The 60's and 70's were pretty dire in areas that were in the war. Still an area of France that is off limits because of all the mines and explosives. Imagine if there was no war and none of that money needed for clean up and rebuilding.
The only time I say it is when people say democracy can never come back after all this. It can. I'm also very clear, a TON of people are going to die in the interum.
FUCKING THIS!!! THE ONLY REASON NOTHING GETS DONE IS BECAUSE EVERYONE FUCKING DISCOUNTS THEMSELF. THERE ARE WAY MORE OF US THEN THERE ARE OF THEM PEOPLE!!!
We turned it around within the confines and definitions of the world at that time... Is it perfect? I dunno, I'll let the next sapient species field that question...
Let's run that simulation again with Russia pulling Hitler's strings and planning to turn Germany into a colony. Sounds closer to the present, doesn't it?
You're so right. Our families were deeply involved. One is dead and my father suffered permanent damage. I'm aggravated beyond words with people that are not grasping what happened then and a particular leader's intent for a world under his rule. ☹
Past the bombing back to the stone age from the allies. It didn’t turn out so well for Germany in the fourties’. Their society was turned to rubble and they were broke again.
Having been told my whole life by people that it was a lie, fake, overexaggerated (not by educated folk or family, but parents of students, on social media, random people) I would love if they would learn.
But sadly, they won't. They don't want to. But I keep getting books for those who do.
The first American move under Musk-Trump has been to endorse appeasement. Knowingly or not, and I do not presume to say which, that choice pushes us one step towards 1939.
I’m wondering if I’m the only one who felt a little bit optimistic about hearing about the meteor. I mean, this is a problem that everyone can get behind and that you know who can’t blame on anyone else.
Lol I’ve seen the trailer and yes, it’s one I mean to watch. These are sad times we are living in, watching the destruction of democracy in our country.
Wait till starvation sets in that's when the locked and loaded will act. I don't feel sorry for any relative of Trump, Musk or Vance. I'd start running now people are already doing without and buying ammo.
77 million people didn't bother to use reason, read history or see the truth. They were swayed by propaganda, lies & easily manipulated by a carnival barker. I wish they would have & would now. But too many people are scared, stupid & make bad decisions.
It’s like those who say “We’re making things too safe for our kids. I lived through my childhood.” Yeah, well the people who didn’t aren’t here to share their side of the story.
My parents' generation lived through the horrors of a world war, but most of them are now dead and can not share what it's like to live through a war. We forget history lessons, and we then repeat those mistakes.
They waited until the people who lived through it before weren't around to put a stop to it now. If any significant number of world war II vets were alive they would be crawling up congress's ass right now.
I honestly don't think it's so sinister. I think it's that the stories were lost and we lost the human connection with what happened. Call me a romantic.
I also think too much was done to make the Nazis funny, or seem impotent. I never watched JoJo rabbit but I saw the advertising around it and I was just like there is something wrong with this image.
Maybe I'm wrong about that but you're right we kind of let folks forget.
i think it’s more that nothing actually happened HERE. soldiers died, and that’s terrible when they’re fighting a threat like nazi germany. that’s not the same kind of generational trauma as their families being displaced, starved or killed. we have no perspective at all.
THIS!! My grandfather was a WWII vet my husband’s grandfather WWII vet who survived being shot out of the sky 2x. I think of them every time I see some fn fasc give the nazi salute, and how they would be so pissed rn. But glad they’re not here to see their sacrifices be spit upon
Well, except for their deaths and the multi generational trauma of their tens of millions of survivors and combat veterans, yes it was all peachy. These people take the cake.
multi generational trauma seeps into everything. three generations later my family is still trying to shed hoarding tendencies that resulted from rationing.
That argument is always by the wealthy, who never really feel the pains around them, or those who grew up between the terrible moments.
My parents grew up during WWII and the aftermath. It took a long time to come back. Now we are headed straight back to the same.
Leaving aside Weimar comparisons, America itself a century ago did some self-destructive things:
—Stayed out of the League of Nations (1920)
—Slammed the door on immigration (1924)
—Tariffs (1922, 1930)
Turning away from the world helped create the economic and political horrors that followed.
Yeah, obviously things turned out just fine when over 50 million people died and it could have very well been much more with slight alterations to the course of history.
I know, people keep saying, wait two years til mid-terms. Sure, we could just be willing to see thousands of undocumented stuffed into Guantanamo, then murdered. It's coming.
I am not giving up hope. You seen this generation out there in the streets ? That why felon Don not talking about it. Scared Don the con!! This generation is different a change is coming !!
Sometimes I wonder if there is an inherent tension between ‘never again’ & ‘never try to suggest what is happening now is anything like what happened in the holocaust’ (because until it actually happens, it isn’t.)
To stop it happening again, we need to be alert & act to avoid it before it does.
This. Also, may I suggested adding "Nuclear War, a scenario" by Anne Jacobsen, bc as bad as things got in the 1940s we now have the power to make things unimaginably worse.
Yes. Not everybody go thru that. Dozen of milions of people didn't. WW2 depended of the estimate took 50 mln to 78 mln lives. If anything good came from this hell, it was realization that power need to be kept in check and solutions orginated from this (that are now dismantled in US).
Yes, and no? Those were not great checks and balances and numerous governments have been overstepping them and people's human rights domestic and foreign. But yeah they labelled the last shred of accountability tyranny and trashed it. But its the conclusion to capitalism in many ways. Hegemony.
Yes, check and balances didn't hold as long as we could hope and were (are) much too easy to ignore. Unfortunetly this is on us. The best law can't do nothing, if there is no will to use it and defend it, if anyone will try to overstep or get rid of it.
When power is the incentive stealing power is the means and the ends, I just hope more people stop participating in it and rather the things needed to keep our communities afloat. Building power from the ground is certainly complicated
pretty distinct from war though, given basically the entire rest of the planet has experienced war and displacement at some point in the last 100 years, in most cases the deadliest one ever fought in human history.
if anything the crickets are exactly what i’m talking about.
My great grandma was a young adult in the depression and she also never got over it. She lived to be 104 and still hoarded EVERYTHING and talked about it all the time.
Of the Fascist dictatorships that came into power in 1920s and 1930s, Portugal's fell only in the 1974 revolution, and Spain's withered away only after Franco's death in 1975.
Or talk to some of the few remaining survivors. In Berlin several months ago, a cabbie who realized we were Americans shared his bewilderment that Trump was heading to the White House instead of prison. He reminded us that they'd tried nazism but it didn't work out well for them
This country is filled with damaged, morally compromised, racist, misogynist bullies who ALL claim that whatever shit went on in their childhood, they "turned out fine."
That is a false analogy. The 1940s did not have social media. They didn't have an organized, concerted effort to overthrow the government in the U.S. They didn't have a despot running (not leading) the U.S. government. There is no basis on which comparison is possible.
My 72 yr old neighbor, who swears she had a great education, thought LBJ was the president that put US into Vietnam, did not hear about the Japanese internment until she was 19 & had never heard of the Dust Bowl.
I knew a high school history teacher that had no idea that WWI key players, Tzar Nicholas, Kaiser Wilhelm & UK's George V were related.
It isn't just reading it's comprehending. It's putting the pieces together.
Agree 100%. BYW, of course T is NOT committed to any law! He is a psychopath. Why can’t Dems learn about how to deal with psychopaths? It’s about time…
I genuinely do not want to be forced to live through all those years of abject negativity, misery, and suffering to get to the recovery phase, while watching the people who did this receive awards, accolades, and payouts for ruining your country.
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Don't let them do it again!
Disgusting, chaotic, cruel, and unjust. A violation of human rights. Repeal the Alien Enemies Act !!
No due process, no chance to defend oneself/family, scapegoated by politicians pandering to their constituents' racism. Made "illegal" by the government.
Current times are giving Bronze Age collapse/fall of the Roman Empire - the 20th c. doesn't have a parallel.
I told my husband today that we need to learn how to farm and shoot to prepare for what's to come.
So, the period between 2025 - 2033 will be like 1941 - 1949. We'll fight a war. Hopefully the good guys will win but that's an unknown
And, yeah, spring is always brighter after winter. But you gotta get through winter to get to it.
Yes, you can say “I didn’t vote”, but then… exactly… if you didn’t vote Democrats it’s the same as if you voted for Trump. The fucken same.
As Plato stated: "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors."
Oh dear.
“The German Report” is a pay2print at B&N.
I’m reading “Under Cover”, the 1943 bestseller, now only available on #eBay. As is “Black Mail,” also excellent.
These people have been convinced to have a strong emotional component to their political beliefs, creating blind loyalty and making them incapable of accepting a chance they might have been misled.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Thought_They_Were_Free
“This thing that’s being done is so outrageous it has never happened before in American history.”
“Well, actually, somebody did a bad thing in 1837 so you’re wrong.”
Handpicked incompetents and doge is how he will do it.
https://www-theatlantic-com.translate.goog/ideas/archive/2025/01/hitler-germany-constitution-authoritarianism/681233/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true
No. You turned into an adult that thinks it's OK to violently abuse children instead of using words like an adult
"Fine" isn't the same as good, well adjusted, thriving, safe....
Fine is barely surviving
This will not end well.
Can't trust OUR govt for
sheet!
Yea, they formed the CIA.
It was BECAUSE of the 40s.
Shit doesn't just magically fix itself.
Suffering and death WILL happen. People don't want to think about it, but that is all part of the cycle because people simply don't fucken learn.
Remember, the misery lasted for a decade and it’s only because of FDR’s New Deal programs that we recovered from the depths of despair.
Most adults spent the rest of their lives rebuilding.
They made it just fine for lazy, entitled, uneducated losers to say it’ll be OK
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I refused to go into his tower, and I said, it's something bad about this man.
I could feel it coming. Call it what you want, but these feelings are usually right.
She said bc he cheated.
I remember seeing his face and knowing then it was something bad about this man,I could feel it coming.
DID WE❓️ DID we REALLY❓️
Please elaborate ... 🤔
'Cause . . . in the long-run, I DON'T THINK SO.
Also, back then the US were part of the solution, now… they are not 😳
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Berlin 1945 in colour
https://youtu.be/R5i9k7s9X_A?si=zq0mkETCQoUsOPFR
For the 30’s, people need to start with reading The Grapes of Wrath and For Whom the Bell Tolls to start.
But sadly, they won't. They don't want to. But I keep getting books for those who do.
11:35am Munich time, 14 February 2025 ⏰
✍🏻 Timothy Snyder, Yale History Professor
https://open.substack.com/pub/snyder/p/appeasement-at-munich?r=pr5a7&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
Wonder what it will take for the quiet majority to get angry and stand up??
“Tragedy and Hope: “A History of the World in Our Time,” Volumes 1-8
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Maybe I'm wrong about that but you're right we kind of let folks forget.
My parents grew up during WWII and the aftermath. It took a long time to come back. Now we are headed straight back to the same.
—Stayed out of the League of Nations (1920)
—Slammed the door on immigration (1924)
—Tariffs (1922, 1930)
Turning away from the world helped create the economic and political horrors that followed.
You don't have two years. You probably have only a few monts to stop Trump being the Dear Führer.
Any machine will grind to a halt if enough small cogs are not functioning...
Now you’re under occupation. Of a fellow American!!!
Fools.
To stop it happening again, we need to be alert & act to avoid it before it does.
the military dropped twice as many bombs on Laos ALONE during the vietnam war than it did on nazi germany.
you only gotta kill 3000 americans to make our government kill 1.5 million people.
if anything the crickets are exactly what i’m talking about.
It's called 'marketing', and it's FULL of bullshit.
If someone doesn't distinguish between the sources, then it's ALL BULL SHIT to them.
Just sayin'
Seriously.
https://open.substack.com/pub/anandwrites/p/essay-home-of-the-brave-really?r=64uvz&utm_medium=ios
we don't have a soviet union anymore and NATO is a defacto fascist military force
But then, Dunnings gotta Kruger.
"They Thought They Were Free" by Milton Mayer
It isn't just reading it's comprehending. It's putting the pieces together.
The problem is:
I genuinely do not want to be forced to live through all those years of abject negativity, misery, and suffering to get to the recovery phase, while watching the people who did this receive awards, accolades, and payouts for ruining your country.