If in 2025 you’re still doing sneering ‘heh, look at these cringe wine mom protestors’ type shtick I can’t think of any reason anyone should listen to you
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At the protest in San Diego today the cringe wine moms were cheering on the activists yelling into megaphones about eating the rich and voting for socialists and the activists were cheering the normie dude who talked about helping Ukraine
until we beat the fascists we’re all on the same team
Not to Pollyanna Post, but I want to eat the rich, vote for socialists, and help Ukraine so I guess even after we win I'll be the one holding the "I hope both teams have fun" sign?
(Somewhat more seriously, though: there are genuine gulfs between groups in the broad left/liberal coalition, but I don't think there are so many or so deep of ones as some other folks seem to. I suspect they'll become fewer and shallower as people work together meanwhile.)
Welp, I probably fit the stereotype of wine mom protestors even tho I’m not a mom nor do I drink and I say THIS TIME if these fellow WP don’t follow the snappy sign with some action, we deserve all the shit.
I agree that there are a lot of things we can and should do, but marching with signs IS action and shouldn't be shat upon. It really bugs the regime and that's always a good thing.
Most of the folks I know who are doing the work: going to the city council meetings, working the polls, making the get out the vote phone calls, stuffing the envelopes, showing up to the school board — are moms. So if YOU see me at a protest, and you think that's all I do? Piss off
You know who was not out en mass today? Snarky ass leftist millennials. Almost no 30-45 year olds protesting today. Saw more Gen Alpha than Gen Z. Almost no college age protesters.
That's just ridiculous bullshit. You can literally just look at any of the photos and know you are full of shit. What a bizarrely easy lie to contradict.
Hey, slow your roll. Your experience is not that of everyone’s. The people I was with (including myself) were all elder millennials, which is to say, 40-45 year olds.
Good. I’m glad to hear this. It’s not that I didn’t see this demo, but it was not well represented where I was in Boomer-majority Marin County. It’s not like we have census data on these demonstrations. I’m young Gen X at 47 and felt young there.
my elderly mother's sign that she made to take to the march in manhattan was real bad, man, but I gave it a thumbs up in the chat because we need everyone
These protests not being exclusively super-tuned-in-leftists is actually pretty important. Spineless Repub Politicians seeing their own base angry could finally get them to stab Trump in the back, it'd be cynical attempt to save themselves but it'd be something.
Last week at the Tesla protest we had a few black hoodie-clad anarchists up high on utility boxes keeping watch for us all, and I was most grateful for their presence.
Some lefties only know how to attack perceived ideological impurities. Most of their energy is spent attacking the left for its (imagined or real) imperfections.
Ironically, there’s one directly under you in my view of the comments, informing us that these people will think protesting did something and stop there.
They’ve blocked me so I wouldn’t presume to guess, but they are at least all in on how wine moms are just having a fun meetup and won’t do the work of organizing.
Steelmanning it, they're not wrong about retention rates from people who show out for protests. A lot of 'em just go home and don't put in any work after that. You get some though.
9 out of 10 sneerings didn’t vote. They were never cool or edgy or righteous. It was always just performance and shame on all of us for ever paying attention to them.
You might have a leg to stand on with this if you guys showed up to vote in primaries but you don’t do that either. You insincerely throw genocide in people’s faces the same way the right does with aborted fetuses. It’s ghoulish and not a single person believes you actually care about those lives.
I vote in primaries in case you forgot they shoved Biden down our throats held on to him just long enough to then shove Harris down our throats without a primary. So please do point out to me which dp primary candidate supported an arms embargo?
Being conflicted is one thing. But if you lived in a Trump state and did not vote for Biden, you enabled everything that is happening. And I say this as someone who replied back to gazillions of campaign emails and texts screaming about Gaza.
Voting is not a form of self-expression, it is not an artistic or spiritual act, it is merely a mechanism that you can use to help choose who will write and enforce the laws of your society. This is why people should vote for the candidate who is closest to their worldview. It's not complicated.
We are a Representative Democracy in other words we have to place demands on are politicians they work for us otherwise what you are suggesting here is that we just simply allow politicians to dictate to us what they are going to do.
It's a sad day when liberals need to take Civics remediation.
It’s bedy much performative when refusing to vote against Bibi’s friend the genocidal fascist, criminal felon and islamophobe who told Bibi he can do what he wants.
I’m at the point where even the “I usually hate this cringe resist lib stuff but I gotta hand it to them this time” posts really piss me off.
The compulsion some folks have to only give compliments in backhanded ways is pathetic. They care so much about their little cool kid in-group signalling.
It's cool to care about things and more people should do it with their whole chest. Society isn't built on ironic detachment, it's built on values that are worth defending
It’s OK to just say something is good, sometimes! Really no need to always add so many qualifiers and caveats to show you’re a cool activist/a clear-eyed cynic/not a liberal/not like the other girls/not like your mom.
To me the last straw was the raiding of all the goodwill from the Booker filibuster with reminder about the NATO rep unanimous consent, like Bernie himself didn’t also let it through and like that’s gonna break through the narrative without their eager help.
“like Bernie himself didn’t also let it through” Sorry, what does that have to do with anything? That was bad of Bernie, too, and he deserves criticism for it, and I’ve mostly seen frustration with the whole Senate Dem Caucus, not just Booker, on the NATO UC business.
I mean, also, the Dems voted against the nom! They voted no on cloture for it even before Booker got up to speak! The thing they gave UC for that people flipped out about was "Two senators want to talk for a few minutes before the vote."
Anyone saying THAT undermined what Booker did is unserious.
I’m seeing way too many posts about grannies and wine moms. It’s ageist and misogynistic. I’ll stand next to people who make those comments regardless. We need solidarity. But I’m gonna call it what it is: bigotry.
Older women created the blue wave in 2018. Many of them were even white!
word to this. so much online leftism is caught up in performing enlightened thought that even when the critique is good it can’t go anywhere, because the people making it have no interest in sullying themselves with badthink. sometimes you gotta work with people who vaguely liked USAID
the retired state department types at the liberal church down the road do more to help local migrant families than 60% of the “leftists” i’ve known. ideology is still important but at a certain point it’s like, how are you gonna spread that ideology in a vacuum?
The whole 2024 campaign was this kind of relentless negativity on social media. "Democrats absolutely suck but I GUESS we have to vote for them this time" well great work guys.
No, it’s not our in-group we care about. In fact, most of us are trying to make the movement bigger. It’s the billions of people who suffer at the hands of American capitalism that we care about.
Exactly. Bold of these folks to assume that they are the first generation to come up with leftist politics. Who do they think was out protesting the Gulf War?
It’s short-hand for the white(ish) suburban middle-class educated center-left female 30 - 50 y/o “soccer mom” demographic — who tend to constitute a potent voting block that’s aligned with Democratic politicians like Hillary Clinton + Kamala Harris
I just find it interesting, because I never hear about the "dads" or men at all. The right blames everything on women and it seems like the left does too. There are a lot of pretty radicalized moms out there.
Wouldn’t call it “blame” — it’s a (somewhat accurate) representative stereotype of a demo that’s a key plank of center-left Dem coalition, which some liberals love and some hard leftists hate.
I personally dislike a lot of those (dirtbag) leftists (AKA “Bernie Bros”) and love the Wine Mums!
P.S.: The countervailing Bernie Bro - Chapo / Dirtbag Left tends to be rather heavily male coded and *I* personally at least blame them for at least part of why the 🇺🇸 Dem / left coalition is so fractious…
For the exact same reason they had a visceral irrational hatred of Hillary Clinton. They are poorly-adjusted people who have bad relationships with their parents.
Those with the most privilege have the least to lose. The police will not brutalize them and if they are arrested, charges will be next to nothing or almost immediately dropped.
Labeling things "cringe" is a way to mock and shut down earnest traits and emotions like kindness, honesty, generosity, courage and persistence which are so very necessary for creating an equitable, inclusive society.We all need to become immune to cringe.
My local wine mom hosted a Super Bowl party and then handed out postcards and told all the guests they had to write to their senators about an issue of their choice before they were allowed to leave her house!
Something about having spent 17 years raising two great kids only to have an Orange menace you were really hoping was gone come back and try to destroy colleges, farmers and the international order that makes a mom feel reallllly PO’d
I’ll give you a reason: most of these people see this protest as doing “something” when at most it’s a nice gathering for friends.
To do actually serious organizing work goes beyond these simple protests yet they will not step up to do it
So, like, working to keep fascists off school boards? And working at the local abortion clinic? What about organizing community gardens with immigrants? Clothing drives for the unhoused? Because the cluster of moms I was at the protest with today can all say they're involved like that
Correct.
because white folks still voted in the majority to reelect him.
Minority turnout & support for Dems saved the country.
And then last November they voted for Trump a third time.
I don't know if anyone has run the numbers, but I'd be willing to bet that the majority of people doing "actually serious organizing work" first got involved at a "simple protest".
And most of the rest got involved via a nice friendly mutual support gathering.
There is such a distain for women in certain pockets of the left. Do you know how much work it is to plan “a nice gathering for friends!” You have to set a date, get a location and make arrangements (food, transportation, entertainment) 1/
Then you have to start sending invitations and making phone calls, using lists of names, phone numbers and addresses that you’ve built and maintained over years.
You need help? That’s a whole separate list of people who probably owe you one because you helped them out a few times. 2/
Was disappointed to see an anarchist group that's been doing good work accuse the Hands Off protest of being a "counterinsurgency" to be shunned. I have my critiques of select aspects, but I think values are aligned in this moment and a unified front is worthwhile.
So if you’re a wine mom, or anyone, you’re probably thinking, “how can I use my privilege and maternal wisdom now to right some wrongs?” It’s not a bad thing. White men screwed this up. White women didn’t do enough. It’s time they try.
Hear me out I personally think it's a good thing for people to protest and I won't mock them for it. Here's the fear of the left though; this is the same kind of action that took place when Trump first entered office only for the base to elect a corporate dem against the warnings of the left...
Handing the next election over to him again the problem with the Trump only approach is that you guys refuse to see the corruption within the Dem party indeed the entire electoral and political system. As far as I can tell you are bound to turn around and make the same mistake again.
White Men and White Women are not a monolith, just as Hispanic Men or Black Women or any demographic category is not a monolith. A White evangelical living in the rural South tends to have a very different political outlook than a secular White living in urban New England.
The people protesting did not vote for Trump, regardless of their demographic. Some of the people who voted for Trump may be convinced to change, but the majority cannot. Fortunately, Democrats only need a minority of Trump 2024 voters to abandon the GOP.
Tip O’Neill & Reagan had a working relationship. That also seems cute. Like a child’s tea party. Everyone participating in the act. Compromise seems a foreign concept now.
Right? So it’s actually possible. Just feels like since Obama was elected, the other side decided democracy was inconvenient for completing their agenda to reshape the us govt.
What good has NATO brought the citizens of any member nation? What harm has NATO inflicted on the world? It’s not naive to be against a bloodthirsty organization bent on the subjugation of developing countries.
Please inform us of the HARM inflicted by NATO and how bloodthirsty they are? I am genuinely interested to hear your perspective on this as I can not find evidence of your allegation.
i was in high school/ grade school for the start of both of AMERICAS forever wars, and at no point was article five fully invoked. As a Canadian i was neither required nor expected to get involved in thier dumbass desert bullshit.
i mean jesus christ its like you lot have selective amnesia.
During he height of bush year idiocy, they literally had that "Freedom Fries" shit because NATO nations didn't want to get involved in that stupid second iraq war.
As with most closeted russian bootlickers, you omit inconvenient facts.
Fought in both the forever wars since you keep trying to use that as some bona fides for your idiocy (it’s not) & you are a fucking muppet. NATO provides peace and stability for numerous countries who would otherwise be subjugated to Russian imperialism but keep being loud wrong doofus.
When I came home from Afghanistan I was struck by the empathy we need to have for the Afghan people - that you double down on the violence shows not only a lack of empathy, but a lack of understanding for why you were there in the first place
A small amount of cynical accounts with less than 400 followers don't like how many liberals only seem to be worried about these problems when Trump is in office.
Accounts like this want to feel self-righteous by punching left instead of just ignoring them.
telling that you're comfortable enough in Quebec to question what has kept you from even being touched for 80 years now by governments that would only mourn your death because you aren't there to be a useful idiot anymore
Congratulations, you have fallen for the "security paradox" where if the appropriate security is there, it seems like you didn't need it in the first place.
Honest answer to your question. NATO upholds the status quo. What it provides for its member nations is the assurance that things will remain as they are. That means the powerful nations, outside of fuckwits like Trump, remain powerful and leading the world.
to continue functioning without worrying if other member nations, or nations outside the NATO signatories, will attack any other one nation as it would immediately result in that nation being turned into a smoking crater from the 32 member states turning on ONE nation.
NATO's goal has always been the prevention of another World War unless there's another coalition of approximately the same military strength. Which wouldn't ever exist because of the US's military doctrine of "Be as strong as the next 3 nations combined."
It's basically an index fund but for politics; you'll have to work REAL hard to beat the proverbial market with other takes and you'd be much better off just using it as the baseline!
More accurately, if "Orange Man Bad" isn't one of your starting positions you're immediately wrong on everything. There is no way to actually get to anything even in the center, let alone the left, that doesn't have "Orange Man Bad" in the starting mix.
This is a made-up argument in your head there is no one on the left who does not agree with the point that Trump is a awful human being who never should have been allowed within a foot of the White House our contention has always been if that's your only action then you are doomed to fascism.
And conversely, if you have a bunch of weird bad policy ideas, but you fervently believe Orange Man Bad, I can find a way to make common cause with you for as long as it takes to remove him. I'm not picky.
At this moment I will settle for basically any political platform from the right as long as they will enforce free and fair elections during their term.
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until we beat the fascists we’re all on the same team
Go off wine moms
https://youtu.be/WboggjN_G-4?feature=shared
i'mma gonna go fix that
It's a sad day when liberals need to take Civics remediation.
It’s bedy much performative when refusing to vote against Bibi’s friend the genocidal fascist, criminal felon and islamophobe who told Bibi he can do what he wants.
You’re all full of shit.
The compulsion some folks have to only give compliments in backhanded ways is pathetic. They care so much about their little cool kid in-group signalling.
Anyone saying THAT undermined what Booker did is unserious.
Older women created the blue wave in 2018. Many of them were even white!
I personally dislike a lot of those (dirtbag) leftists (AKA “Bernie Bros”) and love the Wine Mums!
For the exact same reason they had a visceral irrational hatred of Hillary Clinton. They are poorly-adjusted people who have bad relationships with their parents.
https://bsky.app/profile/opinionhaver.bsky.social/post/3lm3sa6wam22r
Are you a pinot noir or blanc kinda wine mom that you'd take such offense to the term?
POOP.
how is this life not cringe
To do actually serious organizing work goes beyond these simple protests yet they will not step up to do it
This is the same thing we saw during Trump I.
Don’t blame me if you’ve memory-holed that.
because white folks still voted in the majority to reelect him.
Minority turnout & support for Dems saved the country.
And then last November they voted for Trump a third time.
And most of the rest got involved via a nice friendly mutual support gathering.
You need help? That’s a whole separate list of people who probably owe you one because you helped them out a few times. 2/
Put that all together and it’s called “organizing.”
Thanksgiving dinner. A girl’s night. A political rally. It’s all organizing.
What the hell are we doing?!
chestertons fence confuses the shit out of you dont it?
some of us did but it wasn't a NATO thing.
During he height of bush year idiocy, they literally had that "Freedom Fries" shit because NATO nations didn't want to get involved in that stupid second iraq war.
As with most closeted russian bootlickers, you omit inconvenient facts.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Accounts like this want to feel self-righteous by punching left instead of just ignoring them.
You: Clearly, this is punching to the right.
This status quo allows them-
Orange man bad because...