If you’re wondering why people like Jeffrey Goldberg refuse to publish what they have, it’s so they can remaining in good standing with elite media types like this. The cost of publishing those texts isn’t legal, it’s social
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No, it’s so he isn’t subjected to prison. Sharing top secret intel by a civilian carries huge penalties and you see how Trumps cabinet is trying to vilify him right now. He did the right thing, the admin did not.
Especially given that it deals with an operation that *already happened*. With a few redactions, publishing the full text exchange would surely pass muster.
Honestly it seems like he knew exactly what he was doing and gave them just enough rope to hang themselves like he knew they would. Timing of the story drop the day before DNI and CIA chief testified to the Senate was presumably *not* a coincidence either. Very well played.
Because it’s still NatSec material, and also because Goldberg could be prosecuted for publishing it so he has to proceed with caution. Not just “publish it all” because we all want to see it today.
Also if it wasn’t classified, that was the administration’s fault. And also they can classify it now, and probably already have. Goldberg may well be holding what is NOW classified, and he knows it.
In my opinion he was "accidentally" invited on purpose. Zionists control our government. Including the press. AIPAC especially. Israel likes to have their spies. Goldberg is a Jewish Zionist. Jeffrey works for the Atlantic.
The Atlantic is a pro Israel news outlet. Yada yada yada
Never trust Israel.
Access journalism at its finest. Gotta get those sweet sweet Trump scoops about who he’s going to throw in the Gulags or bomb into oblivion without Congressional authorization next…
I mean, they're going to black bag him or he'll be found "non-responsive" by police in a month or two anyways.
I don't know what these people think, that the most fucking fragile administration that will literally kick a dead man's casket on the way down won't come after them?
Seriously? Have you lost the plot? Legal or social... How about MORAL.
Publishing national security secrets is wrong no matter who does it. It gets innocent people killed.
It would seem you aren't even familiar with the plot.
American service men and women are the innocent people in danger when national security secrets are spilled.
Literally anyone who could do anything with that information already knows all about it. You think they don't have Putin phoned in to their every conversation?
If you're going to fight to uphold a standard you don't start by breaking it yourself.
Now if Goldberg needs to reveal things to defend himself and prove they are liars that's a different story.
The administration has had time to move sources to safety. Let's hope they did at least that much.
Ok F' the empire I could get behind that but not the potential loss of life from revealing war plans prior to action, endangering US Military lives or after action, endangering sources and methods.
Don't cut your nose off to spite your face.
The Signal chat was about bombing the Houthis in Yemen - Yemen, where we were supporting a Saudi starvation campaign that NOBODY cared about, Yemen, who are the only people who have tried to fight the US-backed genocide in Gaza, which is why we're bombing them.
"I know what the world has done to my brother and how narrowly he has survived it and I know, which is much worse, and this is the crime of which I accuse my country and my countrymen and for which neither I nor time nor history will ever forgive them, that they have destroyed..."
If you signed up to be a stormtrooper you can't complain when the Death Star blows up with you on it. Sorry, but I have more sympathy for the civilians being killed by the US military in endless wars for hegemony or supporting US regional proxies
I don't care about national security and they're not my own. They work for the ruling class. Everyone has got to start to understanding what side they're actually on and who is actually on theirs. Nations and flags have absolutely nothing to do with morality.
who's identity are you referring to?
The US sailors and pilots that were on the mission that they were chatting about on Signal?
Or maybe the war plans they were chatting about would reveal to a bad actor an innocent source of information. Of course their identities should be secret.
Listen, in what fucking world do you live in which someone’s identity or location itself is considered privileged information that is not actively engaged in some sort of subterfuge?
The mission they are talking about is a war crime against a country expressing its own right to monitor their own shipping channels. The innocent people involved in this are not our soldiers but the people in Yemen, and we're all just ignoring that.
The Pentagon papers were an after action report not immediate war plans with ships and planes as sitting targets.
US soldiers follow orders. They put their lives on the line trusting their leaders to follow the rules that they themselves follow. I'd say they ARE innocents in this.
Oh no, girl you're Canadian! Those innocent US soldiers are about to be "following orders" across the border into your backyard! US imperialism is dangerous for white people too!
As far as we can tell, the conversation leaked entails planned actions and attacks that have already been executed. After all, that seems to have triggered the publication of the leak in the atlantic
US soldiers are innocents in this scenario?
Is it the fact that they're "just following orders" that make them innocent?
Would that not also make houthi forces "innocents"? Does this mean that US forces have been exclusively bombing innocents in Yemen? Many questions.
I’m still confused, you’re referring to armed combatants as being innocents? Had the full chat history leaked, what groups would be able to harm US soldiers with it that aren’t already in armed conflict with them? This is a semantic discussion because your use of “innocent” was so interesting
I’d post the full thing, fuck intelligence operatives
BUT I can see why people would see that as a moral grey area or even a moral no-go. Not hard to imagine moral systems different from mine but still basically compatible with some sense of basic decency and humanity?
I simply do not trust a "journalist" that was so cuddly with the trump admin to have been accidently added to a group chat in the first place to make that assessment
Sorry, not sure what you're saying in the first part. Are you defending Ken's assertion?
I agree with your second sentence. That is the point.. Sharing Nat. Sec. secrets in an insecure manner is wrong on many levels... Mainly, it gets people killed.
That's why the Gov't has a whole secure system!
Today several under oath declared not classified. So Goldberg just may defend himself and release more. He talked today about not releasing the name of an undercover CIA officer that was on the text chain.
I would expect Goldberg to continue upholding that standard.
I mean the moment he shared what happened publicly, he would have been removed anyway. So he either stays there forever and doesn’t share anything. Or he leaves and tells everyone when he knows he won’t get pounced on.
Jeff Goldberg is an Israeli asset dedicated to the extermination of the Palestinians, and the Houthis oppose that. Incredibly different from a legitimate journalist getting the Pentagon Papers, interested in STOPPING a genocide
Hey, so, you posted this at basically the same time they actually released the chat logs. So, maybe be a little bit less confident in your proclamations next time, mkay?
Nah they'll always find a way to blame Israel for everything. It used to be just the Muslim countries that did this, now after the pipeline working properly, it's their useful idiots around the world as well.
True but I still think the proper thing for Goldberg to do would have been to say, “Hey guys this is not a secure chat. You should pull the plug on whatever you’re planning to avoid putting lives at risk.”
Do you think they would have stopped the operation? Maybe the guy in Moscow could have turned to Putin and gotten his opinion on it.
Goldberg acted in the public interest.
Absolutely. Goldberg was fully aware of the Signal phishing warning that had been issued and wasn't going to interact just in case. He's a lot smarter than everyone else in that chat combined.
He may also have recognized that if these people were doing it for one specific action like this, then they were doing it for *everything,* and the American people needed evidence to demand the WH stop using undocumented and unarchived communications to run the govt.
When you publish information based on intelligence, you may inadvertently also publish the information required for someone else to determine where the intelligence is from. Publishing this without fully understanding it could endanger people's lives.
With this administration legal letter of law seems to matter less, I can understand not being willing to stomach that risk but folks should at least be honest about that
I think people have my point confused - I'm not blowing smoke up his ass I'm saying he should be honest about not being up for that life instead of being allowed to make vague grandiose gestures towards being a principled natsec preserver
Exactly. A real journalist would have stayed on this chat thread for months if not years milking it for stories. A major failing of beltway journalists is that far too many of them think and act as if they’re a part of the government or are beholden to it.
Chat was set to auto delete in 4 weeks. He doesn't have security clearance so could get into trouble. It was more important to release to get these bozos sacked
He could screenshot and then churn out scoop after scoop, every journalist’s dream. Run stories by legal counsel but the way he argues principles and national security shows that he thinks of himself as part of the state. Too many DC reporters think this way, including those I’ve worked with.
Also cannot ignore that the government group chat in question was about bombing Yemen to stop the Yemenis from seizing and attacking ships in the Red Sea to force an end to Israel's genocide in Gaza, and Jeffrey Goldberg is literally a former member of the IDF.
He is a Zionist, served in the IDF during the First Intifada as a prison guard at Ktzi'ot Prison, where Palestinian participants arrested in the uprising were held.
or it’s because he doesn’t want to get a bunch of ppl killed by publishing the name of the CIA agent operating in the MidEast. or the names and positions of the targets that could endanger source and myths (aka assets working with us). get off your fucking high horse. you’re out of your depth.
Are you going to draw any lessons from this? Ken said Goldberg wasn't going to release the transcript based on *nothing*. Created this whole little universe that you just accepted for no reason other than you also want to be vaguely mad at the libs. Seems like an easy way to manipulate some people!
Bad take. The administration is obviously lying that there was no classified material. So if he releases the texts, they will almost certainly go after him for releasing classified material to the public.
I have to respectfully disagree a bit here. If Goldberg believe there "could" or "likely" was classified info in that text group, he absolutely should have been careful with the dissemination.
The GOP won't press charges on any of these admin officials, but Goldberg would not be exempt.
I don't blame him at all, from sec perspective:
"His attitude of over-abundance of caution with national security information should be the default, especially by those within our own government and, especially, those at the highest levels."
Or maybe because Goldberg actually understands the gravity of the colossal intelligence failure this was and is not wanting to divulge classified info that would further compromise our military.
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“Classified” is just one category. Some of what Trump took was not classified but was national security info. He got indicted for that. He got off, but Goldberg wouldn’t.
i see. though goldberg making some more overtures as to what was discussed while not releasing the full texts is warranted. americans should be clear about the extent of what these losers in the trump admin are letting fly on personal cell phones
Totally agree with that. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s consulting with attorneys now to see how much more he can release or at least summarize to make that point and show they are lying.
Well, he can. But their lies don’t give JG any legal protection. They can lie and then just turn around and prosecute him. The two aren’t related, especially for Team Trump.
W and B investigated malfeasance by Nixon and the Republicans. Nothing to do with national security. They've also been accused of holding onto information to enhance publication value. Bad analogy. Also, the Trump administration disappears people. Goldberg should be terrified.
I don't think it's that at all. I think he's very worried that publishing it would put the lives of the people named at risk, like the undercover operative he mentioned.
Or maybe it's a standard of journalistic ethos that they've followed all their years? Call it ethos, or code of conduct - maybe it's something that's carried them these last 4 decades, got them into places others couldn't- a long view game.
here's my hot take: as a Zionist and former IOF soldier, Goldberg had no issue with the impending war crime against pro-Pal Yemen that the Signal idiots were planning. That's why he waited to "see if it's real" [aka waiting to see if 40 civilians were murdered] b4 going public.
Why save your country when you can later profit off a book. Every one that write a book about things they know about trump and this white house doing illegally or unethically is a traitor pure and simple.💲🤡🇺🇸 🍻🇨🇦
Boy, this didn’t age well, LOL. It’s been published. They were just waiting for the clowns in DC to openly and publicly claim the info wasn’t classified. Smart move on Goldberg’s part. Now they can’t use the Espionage Act.
Klippenstein - no need to be so simplistic. JG will likely get subpoenaed to speak about this, meaning he will need immunity before speaking about classified info. Who grants immunity? The DOJ. Are you aware what the DOJ has been up to of late? This is bigger than your narrative, no offense
Do you really think that saying something on TV would prevent someone from directing that serious charges with real consequences be filed, even if only out of spite?
The state has enormous leverage available for despots willing to color outside the lines.
Just because they say it isn't classified doesn't actually mean they aren't classified. Like how Trump tried to argue that he declassified the documents in his bathroom just by saying so, didn't actually affect their classification.
Exactly… Golberg will be crucified the second he shares his pictures in the fea chat. Everyone will go after him. The hearing yesterday clearly shows that Tulsi and Co hope to close the case without a thorough investigation.
Because it’s NatSec info whether classified or not, and if Goldberg shares it they will prosecute him in a NY minute. He is wise to proceed carefully, step by step.
You are assuming the admin is answering in good faith. They are lying and their lies would not stop them from turning around and going after JG. They are all kinds of fuckers.
Everyone who's breathing knows the administration is lying. The information in the group chat by definition is classified. They're not going after JG, there's more to this than will ever be known
The laws about classified material apply to those who have access. Everyone other than Goldberg committed a crime. It's why Greenwald was never tried for anything.
I would understand not publishing until you make sure it's not a prank, and then waiting to see if they leak any more shit on the chat. But to burn your source and then when the Whitehouse claims nothing was classifiy you hold on? Cuck behavior.
There was information about an under cover CIA. But hey, what's the big deal with getting someone killed just so you can get a scoop so Ken gets his dopamine fix?
Gosh, there’s an awful lot of people suddenly popping up on here claiming it’s better to do what this government wants and help them suppress the news. How interesting.
Show me where I said to suppress the press. I can show you where I talked about responsibility in reporting. Did you want the reporter to put American lives at risk more than the irresponsible government officials were?
You stepped deep in this one. Releasing before declassification AND whom the weight should fall on would be dangerous to troop movement, missions and much more.
He did EXACTLY what was correct and within the national security wisdom. Step off. Goldberg is NOT the problem; the drunk is.
Or, and hear me out here, they might be afraid for their own safety? For releasing what is *supposed* to be extremely classified material, even if it was mishandled? With named operatives in the field in that material? In what is kinda close to becoming a totalitarian regime?
I think the Assange and Snowden cases show how this kind of justifiable fear that publishing leaked info (including agent names)
can lead to life-wrecking persecution.
okay, what am I missing? He protected an agent undercover, did not release classified intel info- I am seeing that as a decision of integrity. He risks being detained if he does give out classified intel (although they are all saying it is not classified) how is this 'social'? help me understand?
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He gave them enough rope to hang themselves. He let them lie all day (some under oath), then dropped the full texts to show that they were lying.
Pure vibes speculation, do better.
The Atlantic is a pro Israel news outlet. Yada yada yada
Never trust Israel.
I don't know what these people think, that the most fucking fragile administration that will literally kick a dead man's casket on the way down won't come after them?
They are prodding him to release it so they can arrest him.
Publishing national security secrets is wrong no matter who does it. It gets innocent people killed.
American service men and women are the innocent people in danger when national security secrets are spilled.
Now if Goldberg needs to reveal things to defend himself and prove they are liars that's a different story.
The administration has had time to move sources to safety. Let's hope they did at least that much.
Don't cut your nose off to spite your face.
You can't have your cake and eat it too
Do you realize the people the "US military lives" were/are lining up to kill are also, people, whose lives are also valuable?
The discussion is about protecting national security and not killing your own.
The US sailors and pilots that were on the mission that they were chatting about on Signal?
Or maybe the war plans they were chatting about would reveal to a bad actor an innocent source of information. Of course their identities should be secret.
You said it gets innocent people killed.
You shouldn’t think of pilots of American war machines as “innocent”
Also, not sure I’d call US soldiers involved in a war with Yemen, not approved by congress, “innocent people”.
US soldiers follow orders. They put their lives on the line trusting their leaders to follow the rules that they themselves follow. I'd say they ARE innocents in this.
Is it the fact that they're "just following orders" that make them innocent?
Would that not also make houthi forces "innocents"? Does this mean that US forces have been exclusively bombing innocents in Yemen? Many questions.
BUT I can see why people would see that as a moral grey area or even a moral no-go. Not hard to imagine moral systems different from mine but still basically compatible with some sense of basic decency and humanity?
Also, if national security secrets are so important, then don’t coordinate the murdering of people over Signal.
I agree with your second sentence. That is the point.. Sharing Nat. Sec. secrets in an insecure manner is wrong on many levels... Mainly, it gets people killed.
That's why the Gov't has a whole secure system!
I would expect Goldberg to continue upholding that standard.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/atlantic-editor-details-moment-realized-included-yemen-group/story?id=120117135
the Times ran the pentagon papers past an army of lawyers before publishing the portions they deemed safe to publish
the Nixon Administration still took the Times to the Supreme Court
Goldber’s a POS, not a stupid/reckless one
Goldberg acted in the public interest.
This is about more than Yemen
Theory...he is one of the leakers in Trump administration
I was so idealistic when I was a young woman. Nothing but living through things can give you certain types of wisdom.
L
https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-atlantics-new-editor-was-idf-prison-guard/221400/
Just shit take after shit take with never any acknowledgement that you are wrong.
How much, if any was redacted?
https://youtu.be/IxzV4Gc6cww
The GOP won't press charges on any of these admin officials, but Goldberg would not be exempt.
"His attitude of over-abundance of caution with national security information should be the default, especially by those within our own government and, especially, those at the highest levels."
https://bsky.app/profile/chuckwfinley.bsky.social/post/3llamt6exkc23
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He’s more an Intel asset than a “journalist or editor”
The Atlantic is a tool.
Your takes do not have to always be anti elite media.
He should turnover what he has to those in congress with clearance. They should subpoena.
He did the work to consult many contacts in the government and the intelligence community to publish with regard to safety of people and methods.
Get him to release the full transcript, then reveal that it was classified all along so they can charge him to turn the narrative around.
NOTHING TO DO WITH NATIONAL SECURITY?????
The state has enormous leverage available for despots willing to color outside the lines.
Wait, that sounds like a good thing tho?
This discourse is so cursed
He did EXACTLY what was correct and within the national security wisdom. Step off. Goldberg is NOT the problem; the drunk is.
You utter dolt.
Stop being such a cockwomble.
can lead to life-wrecking persecution.