Attorney General Pam Bondi says Justice Department is seeking a *20 year* prison sentence for 24 year old Colorado man accused of vandalizing a Tesla dealership
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We don’t care about beating cops and vandalizing at the capital on January 6th, or that the government breached security but we care about what some 20 year old kid did to a …checks notes … Tesla?!
Trump just pardoned people who beat cops and sprayed them with pepper spray. But yea 20 years for beating on a cybertruck. We're not going to make it through 4 years. This is a lawless and corrupt Administration. Simple. But true.
20-year prison sentence for vandalism? The convicted felon convicted by twelve jurors on thirty-four charges goes to White House as president. America has become the new banana republic.
They can call it domestic terrorism all they want, but the punishment doesn’t fit the crime. If convicted, these people will have a very good case under the 8th Amendment.
In the US, prosecutors usually win. We hear about it when they don't because it's unusual, creating the perception of a higher prosecutorial loss rate than is actually the case.
Fair points, but consider that while you & I are aware of that, many people aren't. 'DOJ seeks 20 years' is what they hear & that's gonna influence willingness to oppose Tesla/Musk.
(Yes we should get better framing, but the fact they're seeking such a draconian sentence is newsworthy.)
Depends on the judge, & all the judges above them in the appeal chain.
& even if THIS JUDGE gives a far lower sentence, the chilling effect will still be real.
First off, this wasn't vandalism, this was a guy firebombing a dealership. Molotovs are destructive devices and will catch a federal charge if used in any crime.
I was a juror on a case where a twentysomething guy sold an undercover cop $11 worth of crack for $40.
They didn't tell us until after the trial that he would likely get at least seven years, including a mandatory minimum of five years for selling outside of an industrial neighborhood.
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I think I've figured her out. She can't think for herself and can't think on her feet so she sells out to whatever bully is out there needing a "lawyer" to legitimize their stupid actions. Maybe she thinks she can defend herself by claiming that someone else was telling her what to do.
Oooh, carceral state cruelty now mixed with good old fashioned fascism! Well done, America. I love how all the corruption is forward-facing. None of that old wink and a nod shit.
I doubt the judge will give him a 20 year sentence for this type of crime. Only exception would be in Texas, Floriduh, etc. where the judges are probably MAGATs.
“There will be no negotiating. We are seeking 20 years in prison.” Ok then he’s just not going to prison. 🤷🏻Quite a thing to publicly state “we don’t have the capacity to prosecute anything properly and you can torch Tesla dealerships to your heart’s content.”
But hey if you beat up a cop or taze a cop or slam them in a doorway you can get pardoned but God forbid you go against property and we will get you. What a fucking moron. These people are nothing but a fucking joke.
Hope a liberal judge tosses the case. We cant have double standards on the law. The Jan. 6th birdbrains got a slap on the wrist. Fuck Pam Bondi and ALL who think like her!
When this nightmare regime becomes history, maybe we will see 20-year prison sentences for Bondi and all the other GOP fascists who are vandalizing America.
Obnoxiously ridiculous! That's more than rapists get! So crimes against a building deserves a harsher punishment than an assault or rape against a person?
And who gets the bill for all of this? For pam bondi to pursue this by the hour, or for some guy to fill up the industrial prison complex for 20 years.
They can "seek" all they want, but it's up to a judge to sentence someone.
And yes, why is this a Federal crime? I suppose there are statutes regarding vandalism of Federal property, but vandalizing a car dealership? Nice job, Pam.
also, did she just stupidly challenge every crazy MF'r in the U.S. to a game of catch me if you think you can? Cause she gonna lose in the ghetto editions of that game.
He should have pooped on her desk and then killed a bunch of cops-he’d have gotten a presidential pardon. Or he should have raped some kids, he’d get a cabinet seat.
How about a life sentence for the 34 time felony convicted rapist who attempted a coup and sent his violent mob of MAGAts to our Capitol getting people killed? This lying fascist doesn't give a damn about law and order. She is a nazi.
20 years for vandalizing a vehicle... so, with that logic, Trump, fElon, Vance, Witkoff, Miller, Dudek, Rubio, Bessent, Hegseth, Gorka, all the DOGe Boyz 'n Girlz, et. al., would get multiple life sentences each for the total destruction of the USA & it's relationships with other countries. Right?!
Ahh, beautiful justice of Putin's ru$$ia, mafia-terrorist gang: for social media post - 8 1/2 years in prison, 2 years
for the murder and rape of an 85-year-old woman.👍
I hope the first thing President Obama (or AOC) does when he/she wins the election in 2028 is to pardon these so called “domestic terrorists”. That will make the Magat’s heads explode.
I was mistaken on the specific amendment. 12th amendment states he can't run as VP either after his term limit is up. And no, SCOTUS won't do anything to help him either. They're already starting to break rank, even Roberts.
In order to make any changes to the Constitution to allow presidents to run for a third term, they need 34 states to vote yes. Given how split the House - and Congress as a whole - are, getting them to agree on such a radical change that only benefits one person is borderline impossible.
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She’s so pathetic… Don’t these people ever get embarrassed with the way they suck up to Trump & his insanity.
I know it’s all about power & money but their kids, their grandkids they’re going to see this one day and see that they are sellouts & ruining our country!
Colorado is already ahead of the game. Their Supreme Court has already said people can tell prospective jurors about jury nullification as they arrive for jury duty. People v. Iannicelli, 449 P.3d 387 (2019).
Jury can aquit a person of a crime if they think they were morally justified in crime or law is unjust, like women who kills her rapist is guilty of murder but jury can rule she was justified and nullify guilty verdict.
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Get over it Pam. Maybe if you had the moral clarity to stand up to the toddler in charge and stopped acting like his personal fixer, you wouldn't be burning your candle at both ends. Because, you're looking a little burnt out. 🤷♀️
Maybe someone should explain to this MAGAt idiot that she has to get an indictment first, then prove to a jury what crime was committed. Then the judge will decide what the punishment is according to sentencing guidelines, not her!
I haven’t been following this case, is this the guy Musk hired to commit insurance fraud hoping to hide Tesla’s awful Q1 sales from investors in order to keep his TSLA stock inflated? Or is it someone else?
"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence or the threat of violence to instill fear and achieve political or ideological goals, often targeting civilians or non-combatants."
If you attempt murder on a Capitol Police Officer by pulling him down the stairs, repeatedly beating him with sticks, poles & fists, kicking him, tasing him until he has a heart attack, you'll get pardoned. But gd it, if you burn one of Musk's Teslas, we'll hunt you down & give you 20 yrs in prison!
Thank you for posting photos of these heroes. It's beyond tragic & a horrible stain on our country that, under the Trump administration, the penalty for burning a car carriers a larger penalty than the actions by criminals which led to the deaths of these police officers.
Yes, and they're destroying the life of a young American for attacking a couple cars, calling him a “domestic terrorist”.
And all this while the people who attacked the Capitol and hurt people & tried to undermine democracy were pardoned by the biggest gangster of them all.
It makes me so angry, not just that there's a mad-man running our country, but that the entire Republican MAGA base endorse & promote & back his madness. It's insane!
Yes, that should make anyone angry who has ears and eyes and a heart and who uses their brain.
It's easy to exploit people's anger and ignorance with lies, or their pain. And it's difficult to change it when people have built their belief system on those lies. Sometimes it's like a sect or cult
It’s still hard to comprehend that this happened and that Trump was reelected anyway. …and that the American public then let him get away with pardoning the murderers. We need to get rid of the Trump Rot.
I think most people who voted for him, about 1/3 of the total population, believe the BIg Lie and think he had a right to do what he did. I also think Musk rigged the election. Even so, Trump only defeated Harris by 1.4%.
It's a shame that young people believe the seducers on the far left, who present them with simple enemy stereotypes and promise everything they want to hear. It's the same effect as with the far right.
And both believe they're the only ones who can see the truth and have the solutions.
You and your redneck friends plan an insurrection, get pardoned.
Vandalize a car company owned by a megalomaniac that bought a president, get 20 years in prison.
Got it.
They were criminals. They violated laws and followed what they thought was an infallible fellow criminal.
IDGAF about what jobs they held. They weren’t people who care about our country, they just believe what the fear mongering far right scared them was going to happen.
Guys it’s not fascism geez. Just cuz it does everything fascists would do and they keep doing it just means ummm, hmmm, ummm…. Ohhh maybe it’s not maybelline but it is in fact fascism
As I understand it, The Judge instructs them to look at all the facts and decide. If even one Juror does not vote Guilty, or vice versa, it’s Hung & ends. Prosecution has to decide to redo it, redo it as another charge (Manslaughter, etc) or let it go.
A jury could just say not guilty of those charges too. But no judge worth anything would charge a car vandal with this amount. But hey a 34 time felon is president so all bets are off.
Would be nice but I'm not holding my breath. Jury nullification is actually very rare and the vast majority of people just do what they think they're supposed to do, especially when an authority figure tells them exactly what that is. Also juries are specifically selected for this trait.
Well, it’s currently Trump’s America so who knows but these bastards in the Administration will continue to try to turn America into North Korea until people start to literally fight back & heads start rolling. They forget that they work for the people & not the other way around.
What she says means nothing. SHE WORKS FOR A CONVICTED FELON.
IF THATS NOT THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK.
She has no CLUE what justice is.
SHE CAN FUCK ALL THE WAY OFF!!!!
Not sorry for caps.
* 18 U.S. Code § 1361 prohibits the willful destruction of property owned or protected by the United States government. Sentence guidelines, 1-10 years.
* THE LANGUAGE: property owned or protected by the United States.
Are Tesla dealerships now under protection of the United States government?
"Well you see.. Uhh.. The dealership is in the United States... And uhhh.. the United States government is responsible for defending its territory... So really isn't everything in the US under the protection of the united states?"
They're charging him under 18 USc 921 and 2332a. Both are federal statutes relating to the illegal possession and use of Destructive Devices, like Molotov Cocktails.
amazing they can’t find money to keep government programs funded but find endless money to make sure Elon is happy. I’m a postal worker so I’m just waiting for Elon to come after us.
Isn't it vandalism? Trump rapes women, commits tax fraud, steals from a children's cancer charity, steals and hides classified documents, incites an insurrection, lies about Covid killing tens of thousands of Americans, and is elected President. Got it.
While this is reprehensible and weak looking of the gov - the better way to defeat these fools is peaceful protest and by withholding our money from them.
The opposite of peace is violence -- harm to another living being. Vandalism is peaceful.
If you mean to say "lawful" instead of "peaceful", go ahead. But as lawful, peaceful protesters are being kidnapped off the streets, that distinction is losing meaning quickly.
Unlike Propaganda Barbie, Bondi looks like a woman who is not sleeping well because she's realized too late that she's likely to end up charged with all manner of unsavory crimes and Trump (if he's still alive) will not do a damn thing to help her.
I've wondered that for years...difficult enough to believe men could be so cruel, but women? They were just terrible to those in the concentration camp. I've wondered if they were mentally unstable before they were chosen to work in the camps. No normal person could never do that.
Ah, but that’s part of the misconception. The goal of fascism is to exchange society’s moral code, the one we adopt to live in a civil society, for another darker more malevolent one.
This is the mechanism whereby seemingly normal people not only condone evil, but actively participate in it.
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I went to middle school. I never wondered. There is cruelty AND compassion in all of us - whichever we feed, that is what grows. Unchecked power and wealth corrupts us, as we witness daily.
Hmmm....since when is vandalizing a car(an object) more jail worthy than killing cops and beating people up to the point of brain injury(humans Jan. 6th)? What a fucked up country I'm living in!
Over charging defendants because you don’t like their politics, especially when just about everyone hates yours, is pretty fucking stupid. Dude will probably walk.
1) That's over the top ridiculous. Hopefully he can get a good pro bono lawyer to fight that bullshit.
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All that lying is showing in your face. You have aged 10 years in 3 months. Just imagine how old you will biological be in 4 years with all the lying. 75+? Too old for Trump to respect you.
This has all gone too far now to correct the cordial way. Our politicians have failed us, the media has folded, SCOTUS is bought, legal firms have capitulated. I suspect the military will be loyal to Trump instead of the constitution. Get ready folks.
It’s probably good for him if they try to overcharge him. It usually makes a jury more reluctant to convict. They are likely doing him a favor and are too dumb to understand it
Meanwhile, BONDI is NOT charging or investigating the government officials who used an unauthorized app, Signal, to communicate sensitive information while also adding an unauthorized individual to the chat, which made us all unsafe, including those involved in the mission.
When that evil geriatric tyrant dies, many in his regime will have much to answer for l. If history serves as a forecast of things to come, she should consider better life choices while she still can because at the rate of criminality, it’s not going to end well.
The opposition party has proved time and again they are too weak and afraid to even speak against the evil and lack the spine to stand. There were no consequences for Jan 6th and this is sure a fuck more "legal". Dont cross your fingers you'll see justice, until we go French.
What a crock of shit! ALL the J6 rioters were pardoned by Trump, and called Patriots... and this incompetent Bobblehead AG wants to prison an individual for 20 years for vandalizing a Tesla dealership?!
Our America is not the America I have known and loved for over 50 years!
not only did Mango Mussolini pardon the violent J6 rioters & insurrectionists who attacked the Capitol and beat police officers, Trump also says "they were patriots" and that he intends to financially 'compensate' them https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-jan-6-compensation/
It's truly appalling! It's amazing too how people who are Fox Entertainment Junkies think only ONE person got killed on J6 - 'their' person... Ashli Babbitt, which was awful - however - they rewrite every story and situation?!
UGH.... it's exhausting to try and reason with the Cult!
I'm almost 56 and a woman of color. This has always been the America that I & many other POC have experienced. This is literally like growing up in the 70s for brown people. We've just gone back in time, not started a new time line.
If those rioters were leftists, the news wouldve been all over it and they would all be in prison for the next 20 years, but now they can just walk free because adolf trumpler will let his supporters do whatever they want in his name
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She has no clue what justice means or the Jan 6ers would be in jail as would trump.
She is a paid enforcer for trump & his posse not the US Constitution not for America.
Send her and ANYONE responsible for the El Salvador agreements. Heck even send the El Salvador leader off too. He thinks this is all fine.
Embarrassing shit right here.
Could see someone being jailed or fined for property damage. Getting 20 years? Finding guilt in terms of a terrorism charge? Might be harder
Also, lots of plea deals to boost those numbers
(Yes we should get better framing, but the fact they're seeking such a draconian sentence is newsworthy.)
The point of this is to deter protests against Elon. Its also a clear endorsement of oligarchs.
Im just pointing out they probably wont get 20 yrs
No, we are already there
& even if THIS JUDGE gives a far lower sentence, the chilling effect will still be real.
America has slid so far from this, it's hard to see how it's recoverable.
They didn't tell us until after the trial that he would likely get at least seven years, including a mandatory minimum of five years for selling outside of an industrial neighborhood.
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As it relates to this case, I'm sure hoping for jury nullification -- or better yet, dismissal on grounds of prosecutorial misconduct.
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Okay to cause the death of police on Jan.6, but don’t touch a Tesla!
If there’s anything this administration stands firmly behind, it’s protecting free speech & knowing how to take a joke
Imagine being the world’s richest man & still being this pathetic & fragile.
And yes, why is this a Federal crime? I suppose there are statutes regarding vandalism of Federal property, but vandalizing a car dealership? Nice job, Pam.
He pardoned Jared's father and gave him an ambassadorship.
Biggly
Goal: 0 Teslers on our streets.
Only in America is a piece of metal worth more than human lives.
Shit hole country.
Wonder how much she took to drop the GA election lawsuit.
oh wait…
Bondi is a liar and a sellout.
(See Luigi Mangione)
If your ex-wife torched your car, the DOJ wouldn’t get involved. 🧐
Would like to know what Pam “Barbie bitch” Bondi is talking about
The consent of the govern was against the king.
The DOJ can cobble together a crime, just like most tyrants.
So what I’d say. We saw Luigi act, followed by mass support.
Musk and his ilk are no exception & liberty is an act of defiance.
Every person ever railroaded into jail, and there are many, began with the state accusing them.
Every failing nation, when challenged by the people, railroad’s people rather than concede the apparent decline.
Political change is violent, and always illegal.
for the murder and rape of an 85-year-old woman.👍
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-dissent-crackdown-prison-3a693897c37effa5a18a78704c5ed786
But like I said, age and health are not on his side.
I was mistaken on the specific amendment. 12th amendment states he can't run as VP either after his term limit is up. And no, SCOTUS won't do anything to help him either. They're already starting to break rank, even Roberts.
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I know it’s all about power & money but their kids, their grandkids they’re going to see this one day and see that they are sellouts & ruining our country!
I know they don’t care but …..
Ex. Acquitting Rosa Parks for refusing to give up her seat.
https://aiwillybillhuman.substack.com/p/jury-nullification-and-the-legal
She need not look further than herself.
Yes, and they're destroying the life of a young American for attacking a couple cars, calling him a “domestic terrorist”.
And all this while the people who attacked the Capitol and hurt people & tried to undermine democracy were pardoned by the biggest gangster of them all.
It's easy to exploit people's anger and ignorance with lies, or their pain. And it's difficult to change it when people have built their belief system on those lies. Sometimes it's like a sect or cult
And both believe they're the only ones who can see the truth and have the solutions.
Vandalize a car company owned by a megalomaniac that bought a president, get 20 years in prison.
Got it.
"It's not illegal when we do it"
Those were middle managers and small business owners.
Lmao, you think working people could take time off for that kinda fool nonsense?
Nah, that was a rich people rebellion.
IDGAF about what jobs they held. They weren’t people who care about our country, they just believe what the fear mongering far right scared them was going to happen.
https://youtu.be/PXKFoZER1Ek?si=bWI93ikARnLzd7nz
sofa king evil.
The most patriotic thing you can do is to burn fascist shit
IF THATS NOT THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK.
She has no CLUE what justice is.
SHE CAN FUCK ALL THE WAY OFF!!!!
Not sorry for caps.
* THE LANGUAGE: property owned or protected by the United States.
Are Tesla dealerships now under protection of the United States government?
No shame.
https://youtu.be/DASZqKXoDWo?si=idURLbRLouKSXt76
I SEE NOTHING I WAS NEVER HERE I NEVER GOT UP OUT OF BED I WAS NEVER BORN
It's clearly an abuse of process, not grounded in a good faith attempt to move the edge of case law.
Go hard or go home.
Justice is dead - held hostage by a King and a Florida-dimwit who never knew the word
If you mean to say "lawful" instead of "peaceful", go ahead. But as lawful, peaceful protesters are being kidnapped off the streets, that distinction is losing meaning quickly.
Yet.
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Nothing more than a live carcass for Trump
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But these were still not the worst.
Because they still had the lame excuse 'I just followed orders'.
Actually, the worst were not even prosecuted.
Because that only applied to those in uniform.
Wives of camp commanders were civil.
They shot prisoners from the balcony of their home, for fun.
This is the mechanism whereby seemingly normal people not only condone evil, but actively participate in it.
“Justice is coming”
Kristi Noem
MTG
Bondi
Karoline Leavitt
Etc.
I can show restraint too!
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2) ⁉️👀...Gurrrrrrrrrl you are STRESSED TF OUUUUUUUUT!!! I've seen that sunken, hollow look from stress, I've had it personally!! She is NOT handling the FOTUS 🔥s of hell well at all!!😬🤷🏽♀️
All that lying is showing in your face. You have aged 10 years in 3 months. Just imagine how old you will biological be in 4 years with all the lying. 75+? Too old for Trump to respect you.
See, you evil bitch? You escalate too fast and it makes people think they have nothing to lose.
Our America is not the America I have known and loved for over 50 years!
THEY ALL have to go!
UGH.... it's exhausting to try and reason with the Cult!