This is obviously bollocks? I'm concerned at imminent degeneracy on bluesky how many likes/reskoots this has! 🙈
(I'll laugh loads if I'm wrong - but I'm not, am I)
"Likes" are used by many (maybe most) Bluesky users to thank the person for posting the information, and do not represent support of the actions described in the story.
I think you misunderstand - the article is unverified, but being spread around quite fast. It matters less whether it is real or not, but that is purporting to be.
It could be click-bait sensationalism, and so far bluesky has been good at not supporting that, but that could change.
Précis 😊 (Well, tbh not even that the article is unverified (altho of course 🚩). It's just that it was clearly good old fake news 😂 (& then people were like 'the article said they couldn't even verify the email' n I think 'well, that is clickbait n not serious journalism, open & shut case imv' 😅👍)
*Sorry, wrote too quickly - I meant that the article source is an unverified site n therefore an unrecognisable source (ie not legacy/national/whatever media etc) 🙂👍
what informed criteria about capitalism, corporate culture, or the personality types that achieve management at startups are you using to form that opinion tho
So far, the report is that this happened in India, but again, nobody in media has been able to verify it's true.
Of course it COULD happen, we know plenty of capitalist CEOs who'd love to do this. But being skeptical about things we want to believe are true is healthy in this misinformation era.
Even more confusing is this post 4 days ago. Their most recent post😬🥴. Already days and it must be hurting their business but nobody from YesMadam has responded…
not even! like i know you're being facetious but this only makes the problem worse. now employees are going to have to cover a heavier workload for MORE stress, and also fear that the second they show weakness they'll be fired.
And, as a bonus, you won't have any stressed people for at least the next year of employee surveys. At least until you get new joiners that don't know now to press the button.
Yeah that's what my old corporation did. People that noted biohazard issues were also known as "morale diminishers" because they made others "excessively" worry
The most brilliant solution to any problem is to fire the people being honest about the problem and only retain those who don't think it's a problem, or are willing to lie about there being a problem.
Amplifybio asked me to sign a voluntary quit after I reminded them that they needed a hand washing station at the only point of egress in an active lab.
Also the active lab handled cyno blood which is uh not a bonus.
Yeah I’m not really jumping to any conclusions when this is the best source we got right now. Its not even a source. Its just the email and then a bunch of tweets dunking on it. I checked a variety of articles and none can verify any of it. We’ll see.
Jesus, I hate articles like this. Quoting a bunch of posts from social media is no better than when your local TV news station would interview a bunch of random schmucks on the street about current events.
It's a case of a potentially important story, worthy of reporting, but bad journalism. Don't put it out into the world until you verify it. If it isn't verifiable (<--how do we define this?), don't publish it. Maybe there's some middle way, but I haven't thought of any.
Agree with all of that -- with the additional point that reporting on social-media posts from anybody not directly part of the underlying story is completely unnecessary.
They are about to find out that some of the unstressed folks may be that way because they work less or just don't give a shit about the company enough to be stressed about it.
I’m not even sure they’d have a case in the U.S. They’d probably have to prove that being stressed is some kind of protected class … maybe a disability discrimination suit? But that’s a big stretch. There’s no law against firing people because they’re stressed.
You can be fired for any reason other than your race/ethnicity/national origin, sex, veteran status, age (if over 40), disability, or religion. And in some states sexual orientation is protected. A couple of them also ban firing people because of their weight. It’s kinda crazy.
If a family member came to me and complained about being super stressed in their job, I'd suggest they quit. Not because "I'm a lawyer," but because there's no reason to subject yourself too bullshit from an abusive job.
Why would you think the company would be abusive though? Maybe because they just fired anyone who said "Yeah, I have a little stress"?
I'm not saying leaving this company isn't a good idea, but not for the reason you're suggesting. This is a lawsuit waiting to happen, and it's deserved.
I don't see any problem with firing anyone for anything unless they have a contract or are in a protected class. People should be able to quit too, if you don't like your job. Why wouldn't you?
Depends on your definition of wrong.
Is it legal where it happened? Maybe.
Is it smart business sense? Not if you care about long term success, you just got rid of a lot of folks who were honest and working hard.
Is it kind because it might be better for those folks later? Absolutely not.
But that's your choice. It's almost always MUCH better to be able to leave by your own choice than to be laid off unexpectedly. Even not considering the financial implications, from a job hunting standpoint, it's considered a mark against you by many/most employers if you don't have a job already.
Everything is wrong about it. It’s cruel, petty, and pointless. It’s punishing people for being honest about stress that is likely happening because of bad management decisions.
Who said "they don't like working there"? You can be sure that now everyone else working for this company is stressed, and will be forced to lie in the next survey.
I have no idea what Yes Madam is, but if the question is “will you be looking for a labor lawyer after you clean out your desk,” the answer is, “yes, madam.”
🤷🏻♂️ no idea tbh, don't know the context or details. But I imagine it could be a precursor to a survey tech, platform, service, anything of that sort. Similar to reverse psychology marketing.
Even in states where this is the case (which is total BS but it is what it is), it was my understanding that you’re still able to sue if you can prove your termination was rooted in discriminatory practices.
Is that not exactly what this is? HR basically put it in writing with that email?
That's why I mentioned a medical diagnosis. That changes things.
There are specific circumstances that result in a successful claim of wrongful termination, such as a false accusation. If this case were in the US, I think the fact they gave that reason could be problematic, but maybe not.
Stress is a FMLA condition though- they’re discriminating against people who have self-reported a work-related medical condition . Great lawsuit material here
This year's Saddam Hussein Award for candid employees goes to -
"During a low point in the Iran-Iraq War, Saddam Hussein asked his ministers for candid advice. Dr. Riyadh Ibrahim [Health Minister] suggested that Saddam temporarily step down and resume the presidency after peace was established."
"Dr. Riyadh Ibrahim was immediately taken away.
The next day, pieces of the minister's chopped-up body were delivered to his wife."
Much like those who from then on "candidly" were insistent that Saddam remain in power, I assume the stress surveys will show tremendous, even startling, improvement.
Had something similar happen at a small engineering company I did admin work for. They brought in a new HR person, conducted interviews with staff to allegedly determine the areas that management needed to work on and then fired the staff that were overwhelmed but wanted to support change.
In retrospect I suspect they were hunting people who had complaints about the expected work load and how ownership interference complicated the already heavy volume.
🤦🏻♀️This is an incompetent boss. The ones who are stressed are usually the ones doing all the real work... so that supervillian will have that decision bite them in the butt real quick.
this would get someone kicked out of any decent supervillain group, definitely a very upset "no villain is really super if they treat their minions this way" condemnation their way
It's like if Trump had asked hospitals to keep the rate of new COVID infections down by euthanizing anyone who tested positive. "I mean, if you're dead they can't count you in the stats, right? Heh heh!"
Wouldn’t it be grand if Bluesky didn’t become a pit of misinformation? Seems like it’s inevitable after seeing posts like this. The literal article about this says the email in question is unverified.
Nah, the supervillain angle would be to predict the outcome and persuade everyone to vote yes, except her. She would then be the outlier and would have to go. *Evil laugh*
Wow... and... were these conversations held in a therapy-adjacent setting? This seems like a huge ethics violation that needs just one angry person to create... a class-action suit.
(Somewhere, I seem to remember CA-suits were less a thing because of changed legislation. I'm v behind the times.)
And knowing your coworkers, who probably did good work & you liked, were fired for such a bs reason certainly won't affect morale of those still employed!
I remember a friend of mine worked with a guy who would immediately throw away half of all the job applications he got. His justification? "I don't want to work with someone who is unlucky."
Law 10 of The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene is "Infection: Avoid the Unhappy and Unlucky". The law states that emotional states are contagious and you can be harmed by associating with the unfortunate.
I’d say it would have been worthwhile to explain to him that what he was doing was the exact opposite of “luck,” but I suspect he probably would have just sat there in confused silence with a furrowed brow.
I guarantee that this person genuinely thought of themselves as superior to the 'unlucky' people and that they also somehow believed this was a skill they had acquired through their own effort
There's a lot of coverage of this in India, but the articles so far keep saying "alleged email." Another startup has leaped in to say they'll hire the laid-off employees, so if this was a PR stunt, more than one company grabbed the headlines.
Not only! They also kept people smart enough to be skeptical of work surveys. They ain't never anonymous. If your boss paid for it they can find out who answered what, they're not under oath - they don't have to be honest with you about that.
My kid’s middle school gave the students a mental health survey, then held all the students that responded that they had ever had suicidal/self harm thoughts after school and made their parents come pick them up and have a meeting about it.
I have never been more mad about something that happened at my kids school, and my kid didn’t have to stay! But a good friend did, and her parents were not the understanding type. Just a total betrayal of the kids privacy over a very delicate subject- total incompetence
I can not believe a company did this to their employees. I bet they think they were doing them a favor by relieving their stress but in fact they just have them more stress now that they are unemployed. Pure Villain behavior. Something Elon would do for sure.
So their strategy is to... stress EVERYBODY. If a place deserves to be taken out of business by lawsuits... This is it. I hope they file for bankruptcy.
No because stress is not a protected classification it's important to get a doctor's note for a stress related condition then they have you to provide reasonable accommodations and can't fire you for that reason.
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(I'll laugh loads if I'm wrong - but I'm not, am I)
It could be click-bait sensationalism, and so far bluesky has been good at not supporting that, but that could change.
(Esp at 2:06)
https://youtu.be/MZTvMYQSl_w
"but I believe it could happen" is not verification, and credulity based on possibility leads to conspiracy theories getting air time.
Even doing this as a publicity stunt makes me hope they go down hard.
Of course it COULD happen, we know plenty of capitalist CEOs who'd love to do this. But being skeptical about things we want to believe are true is healthy in this misinformation era.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mayank-arya-yesmadam_gratitude-innovation-wellness-activity-7218455768201658368-WctW?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/yesmadamofficial_momentmarketing-chillguy-trending-activity-7270311239229071360-oiaM?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios
I guess it TECHNICALLY solves the problem?
It works EVERY time.
Problem solved! 🤷
Also the active lab handled cyno blood which is uh not a bonus.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/jd-vance-funded-company-faces-animal-cruelty-allegations-1234617774/
The focus should always be on performance and not some high stakes, ambiguous, self-reporting of feelings.
Not saying it didn't happen, but the Internet has taught me to be skeptical about anything that's too good to be true.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DDYsmP2Pwv3/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
https://x.com/_yesmadam/status/1866348999705612748
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd0en3nrxpyo
I’m at a loss for words.
It's in India, so who knows?
But simply admitting to being stressed? I dunno. Maybe.
Go test that out for us. Honestly, if you're a lawyer like you say you are, you'll only IMPROVE the statistics by leaving lawyer-stuff to others.
I'm not saying leaving this company isn't a good idea, but not for the reason you're suggesting. This is a lawsuit waiting to happen, and it's deserved.
Not much of an attorney are you?
Is it legal where it happened? Maybe.
Is it smart business sense? Not if you care about long term success, you just got rid of a lot of folks who were honest and working hard.
Is it kind because it might be better for those folks later? Absolutely not.
Ergo, they fired everyone with a specific disability specifically for having that disability
You are trying to pull my leg off and hit me with the soggy end!
They really don't need a reason to terminate employment.
As long as it isn't a false accusation, they should be ok, unless someone has a related medical diagnosis that was disclosed to HR.
Is that not exactly what this is? HR basically put it in writing with that email?
There are specific circumstances that result in a successful claim of wrongful termination, such as a false accusation. If this case were in the US, I think the fact they gave that reason could be problematic, but maybe not.
Because it looks like it to me.
Classic.
CEOs are playing some dangerous games nowadays.
...imagine that
"During a low point in the Iran-Iraq War, Saddam Hussein asked his ministers for candid advice. Dr. Riyadh Ibrahim [Health Minister] suggested that Saddam temporarily step down and resume the presidency after peace was established."
The next day, pieces of the minister's chopped-up body were delivered to his wife."
Much like those who from then on "candidly" were insistent that Saddam remain in power, I assume the stress surveys will show tremendous, even startling, improvement.
All I can say is... read the memo...
my head hurts 🤦♀️
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God, that was such a Trump Brain move.
Assholes.
(Somewhere, I seem to remember CA-suits were less a thing because of changed legislation. I'm v behind the times.)
> However, THE WEEK couldn't independently verify the authenticity of the letter.
but I'd believe it.
Ha, ha. Losers.
Oh, mercy.
Hmmmm…sounds like a human rights violation. #YesMadam
Please tell me otherwise.