I dont think you're right. Is Kuwait owned by Iraq? Is Saddam Hussein's dynasty in power over Kuwait or even Iraq? I think you're just salty that I had an answer to the original question.
No I was being flippant but he asked about wars and neither of them would constitute a war if you want to be pedantic but 🤷♂️. Kuwait and Iraq aren’t exactly vestiges of democracy are they?
The Gulf War doesn't constitute a war? Why not? Why would the current government of those countries matter?
Also, we didn't invade Kuwait, we were defending it, and Iraq is currently a parliamentary Republic.
I'll take this opportunity to mention I'm probably to the left of you ;)
🤣🤣🤣🤣 you most definitely are not left of me. I suggest you look up the Kuwaiti political system and also Iraq is a puppet government. America doesn’t do wars, it’s more a smash and grab raid.
Winning hasn't been the point of wars since WW2. It's a revenue stream for the military industrial complex and you could argue winning is the opposite of what they want to accomplish. Keeping conflict going makes more money.
Korean war, to keep the world from collapsing into depression like after WWI. Vietnam war, France wanted their tin mines, U.S. complied. Iraq war, play with new weapons. Most others, use 3rd parties to attack the cold war enemies, and profit profit profit.
Actual "war" means a declaration of war by congress was issued. That was in 1942. Since you said three generations, the answer is both none and everyone they were a part of 😀
Not sure if that's a rhetorical question. South Korea is certainly thankful that it exists, so I'd count that as a win. Then depending on your definition, the Panama intervention to get Noriega accomplished the intended mission as did the Grenada invasion (both violated international law of course)
The thing is, despite this, we are still the #1 foremost military super power in the world. It's why other countries buy our scraps for their current military tech. It's why other nations expect us to run everything, be the largest contributor, & protect everyone else. It's part of why we r fucked.
The last war won by the US military, on their own, was the Civil War. A war that was fought because southerners were too lazy to pick their own cotton. I said what I said
Laugh all you like, but a confederate flag flew in the Capitol building in 2021, and a confederate POTUS is in the White House, determined to rename a load of our military bases after confederate generals and punish anyone who defaces confederate statues.
Korea, Grenada, Panama, and the Gulf War were US victories, or on the victorious side. Iraq could be considered a US victory too, since they did defeat Saddam's forces, with what followed being negative consequences of that victory.
no to Korea, no to the 1st Gulf War since GW2 had to go back a second time to lose again. NO TO IRAQ [see earlier]. Aren't you embarrassed to call Grenada and Panama 'wars'?
Because Trump stole the election from a strong,independent poc woman and gave our country to Russia. Because idiots voted for him instead of presenting a shred of human decency. Because we have racists controlling g this country and they are going unchecked. The list goes on.
Wait for? Directions over ambiguity?
A generation is approximately 30 years. Puts you right after WWI. So, one and a half: WWII and ODS. The second can be debated.
Why? Because we didn't declare war as an act of congress.
Now, "war"? It wouldn't be called that if it was won.
The last time the US formally declared war was on Japan on Dec, 8, 1941 (after Pearl Harbor) and then on Germany, Italy, Bulgaria, Hungary, & Romania in 1942.
Since then, the U.S. has engaged in numerous military conflicts, but none have involved a formal declaration of war by Congress.
Wonderful refutation. Never mind Britain cracking the Enigma code, or providing the US and Canada a staging point for a second front, or the US and Britain destroying the Luftwaffe, or them taking Italy out of the war, or the breathtaking amount of aid the US shipped to the USSR.
Iraq invasion. Both times. You *can* count Iraq II as just a front of GWOT, and we... achieved our stated original objectives there, which is to say "I ain't gonna try and argue that one." *waffly gestures*
Kuwait is still an independent state. Saddam Hussein is still dead. The US-installed government is still running Iraq, and still fairly stable. The Gulf Wars were stupid to get into, and their results are irrelevant to the security of the United States, but you can't accurately call them losses.
You lost me at “the US-installed government is still running Iraq, and still fairly stable.” But I agree with you that the Gulf Wars were stupid to get into.
Yhe only “war” they’re getting close to winning is the war against an educated populace. Please contact your representatives and demand they stop ripping apart the public school system.
My friend, I don’t know how to tell you this, three generations ago would be Gen Z. Maybe the Millennials if we don’t want to count Gen Beta yet. All your examples have been aged out, with the possible exception of Kuwait’s defense depending on where we want say the Millennials began.
Time doesn't pass, according to the mathematics of General Relativity. The universe is a 4D block of spacetime, & we appear to move through it because our consciousness is linear & that's the way we see it.
And three generations = 60-90 years, depending on how you're counting.
That’s fair, and in the sense we could include World War 2 in this discussion. At the same time, I feel as though it’s a valid point that judging the US military efficiently through “wars won” doesn’t leave us with a great track record.
Of course, one could also point out that the 25 conflicts of the past few decades have been, in essence, proxy wars or conflicts so broad that they could no longer be categorized as a war against a singular group as opposed to fighting a nebulous concept. For instance, the Korean War.
Though we could argue if that was a war or a generalized conflict due to us never declaring war (and many people have), it was just another in a long series of smaller conflicts between two superpowers. Calling it a victory is somewhat shaky. A stalemate, and a sterling defense, though? No question
When I read this I wonder when Americans are going to wake up and realize that they are in fact not the greatest country on earth. You need to hold both parties accountable.
The proxy war where we provide hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars and arms and ammo and BOMBS to the Jews so they can murder tens of thousands of Palestinian children, women and medical doctors in order to steal all of Palestine.
I don't think you won a war when you had to fight the same guy a decade later to defend your father's honor even though you couldn't run a baseball team. But let's agree to differ
Just saw this (FDR): "democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism—ownership of Government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power."
My earlier point is that neoliberal economics undermined regulation and allowed colossal concentration of economic power here and abroad. If FDR is right, our policies have directly enabled it.
As someone on Quora said, the U.S. military was unable to fight off impoverished goat herders who were holing up in caves and throwing rocks. Yet this country is convinced it could easily pummel Canada and Europe.
Was never officially declared a 'war,' anymore than Vietnam was. 'Military actions,' paving the way for Putin's continued brutality. Also meant the Geneva Convention wouldn't apply. Google AI likes to call it a war, though, sounds sexier I guess.
The war on critical thinking and personal accountability. Someone started saying "only God can judge me" in the 90's and over the next 3 decades, everyone with zero empathy became an asshole
The objective of these wars wasn’t winning them.. it was destabilization and regime change to those favorable to allowing US and the west to control their oil and gas
Except in Afghanistan it was the poppy fields
The wars against labor unions, public education,healthcare,"labor equity", fair consumer credit and loan rates,environment. It's still waging war against voting rights allowing rediculous gerrymandering in many states.
It depends on how your define 'war.' The US military is unparalleled at actual wars. It can't (and obviously shouldn't) do occupations. Iraq fell in 5 weeks, Afghanistan in 9 weeks.
The problem with "the US hasn't won wars in decades LOL" is that it greatly underplays how dangerous the current
situation is. We could easily take Canada, Greenland, and Panama in a few weeks. This is a real danger, from a dangerous man, and being cute about it (and how powerful the military is in the wrong hands) gives Americans an excuse to not seriously plan for opposition to potential illegal wars.
I’m sorry to hear about that, but it’s still considered 4 generations ago if you are old enough to have had children. A generation is considered 20 years.
WWII was 80-85 years ago now.
So the point is, they have won zero wars in 60 years.
I guess I was inadvertently being pedantic seeing him as two generations ago, but I absolutely agree that from the Boomers on American armed forces have made the world much worse.
The goal of post WW2 wars have never been winning or losing. It's an investment, if the people who got the govt elected are still making money out of the war , then it will continue . It'll stop when there is nothing else to milk out of it
With a lot of external pressure, but Soviet Union basically imploded under the weight of internal problems and highly unsuccessful rushed reforms. Also one could argue that we still live in a cold war🙁
Well sure... but then you could say every country is always at war to one degree or another, because they are laying claim to territory that others may want for some reason. There are historians who argue the second world war was just a continuation of the first.
Iraq in the early 90s but I’m not sold on that meeting this definition of war. Cold War definitely not. The other side ceased to be, the U.S. were not solely responsible
ROK wasn't a lost. We fought China along with 20+ other countries in the Korea peninsula. One half of that peninsula has a democracy, who just arrested and will try a potential traitor.took them 3 months. They are doing better that the USA.
To begin with it is no win, secondly and more importantly they require help from other countries that fought with the US, they did not achieve it on their own
The North Korean invasion of South Korea started the war with the express aim of unification by force. The allies denied them this. Sorry, not a loss in my book.
The South Koreans took their would-be dictator into police custody shortly after his attempted coup, so maybe we could've done with their advice back in 2021
The war on socialism/anticapitalism. every country that's popped up with some form of anticapitalism since the creation of the CIA has been overthrown by the CIA so they could put their preferred (usually authoritarian) leaders in their place. take Chili, or even Cuba, for example.
probably. their preferred method is staging a military coup, or assisting far-right militarized groups in doing the same thing; that way they have "plausible deniability" if something goes wrong.
if they actually did it themselves then they'd probably lose, yeah. they're morons🙄
We had been winning in Korea. I believe we had gotten to the Chinese border with North Korea and then China became involved in this war. So we were pushed back to where the armistice line is today. It’s not a win or loss. So the last war we had won would be World War Two.
There can never be an into a war because there’s too much money to be made. Defense contractors, mercenaries, weapon manufacturing, not to mention how all of that fattens up congressional pockets via lobbyists.
The US helped restore democracy in: the Philippines, South Korea, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, Germany, Western Europe, Argentina, chili, Mexico, Panama, Japan, Turkey, South Africa, etc, etc
You aren't wrong about Germany and Western Europe. Personally, I am grateful to the US,
Canada, the Marshall Plan & the plucky European survivors of WWII. Sad that we are reduced to a post civil war south, and the failure of reconstruction again. Power isn't interested in fixing things anymore.
For someone who boasted about "no wars during my Administration, he is anxious to make up for lost time...threatening Hamas,"or all Hell will break loose". He wants to take Greenland and steal the Panama Canal back. Without a war???
Wait until we see what war looks like after Trump trashed every ally we have while believing that our enemies are our friends. The next one should be interesting.
The wars on decency, integrity and candor.
The war for Coproations.
The war for Doublethink.
A country primed on patriotic indoctrination/high on sniffing its own farts, shaken and stirred by billionaires like a rabid, abused dog chasing its tail, whislt it's abusive masters laugh.
+I dig 'murrica, you're like my cousin, born with the cord round his neck. We can go for beer, talk sports and generally have a nice time at family events, but we're not gonna be discussing literature.
Plus, I've got the feeling him + his Mrs might be swingers and that's just not for me.
No one wins wars..there is too much lost to declare a winner.. There are just survivors and those left to suffer or those that have died from the consequences.
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The last won a war against themselves. I guess they won their personal war against Osama Bin Laden, but that felt more like a turf war over 'fear' than a war.
I grew up with TCM & AMC channels showing dozens of WWII movies all the time. It was the last thing the US "won". Every few years a new Oscar-winning WWII movie is made. Everything since WWII has been abject failure after failure so the only narrative is to worship WWII. There is nothing else.
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Also, we didn't invade Kuwait, we were defending it, and Iraq is currently a parliamentary Republic.
I'll take this opportunity to mention I'm probably to the left of you ;)
The loudness war? Wait, which side were we on?
They've defeated lots of enemies.
Always fuck up the end game.
A generation is approximately 30 years. Puts you right after WWI. So, one and a half: WWII and ODS. The second can be debated.
Why? Because we didn't declare war as an act of congress.
Now, "war"? It wouldn't be called that if it was won.
It took awhile, but I think it's finally happening guys!
Since then, the U.S. has engaged in numerous military conflicts, but none have involved a formal declaration of war by Congress.
(WoKE).
Goodbye, stranger.
You're muted.
2) The USA was a part of the allied force that defeated North Korea's invasion of South Korea in 1950.
3) The US-led coalition won the Gulf War, defeating Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.
And three generations = 60-90 years, depending on how you're counting.
Subjectively, 3 generations are my son, me, and my father.
Objectively: Great Generation > Baby Boomers > Gen X > Millennials > Gen Z > Gen Alpha.
The US has been involved in 25 wars in the last three objective generations. Good luck sorting them.
What we're seeing now is the result of 50 years of neoliberal economics and the corruption that follows.
if not that, then lmao heall no not any
Not saying it was a good thing, just saying it was a solid win.
Other than that, nothing really.
no war just the endless cry
earth drinks blood again
We’ve got Trump, (Melania gets an honorable mention) Elon, Peter, Mark, Jeff, Pete, Laura, MTG (to be fair, I don’t think she knows where Canada is), Mitch, Ted (x2), the NRA.
We even have a huge number of Dutch who voted we go to war with Denmark.
Except in Afghanistan it was the poppy fields
The Gulf War was an unequivocal win.
The Pudding-pop Empire didn't know what hit them.
The problem with "the US hasn't won wars in decades LOL" is that it greatly underplays how dangerous the current
She asked for three generations.
The answer is none.
WWII was 80-85 years ago now.
So the point is, they have won zero wars in 60 years.
Drugs won the drug war
Terror seems alive and well despite that war
Now we are folding to fascism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Armistice_Agreement
Viet Nam's is lower than either one FWIW
I mean NK is one of the worst of the old communistish regimes, one of the only ones from that era that exists as it did then.
After the whole American empire shifted itself to take that peninsula, it failed
How could it be more of a loss?
if they actually did it themselves then they'd probably lose, yeah. they're morons🙄
War on the New Deal.
War on working people.
War against justice.
War against humanity.
IN YOUR FACE GRENADA 🇬🇭
https://youtu.be/UaUa_0qPPgc?si=r0f2J1ychJlFfUeG
Canada, the Marshall Plan & the plucky European survivors of WWII. Sad that we are reduced to a post civil war south, and the failure of reconstruction again. Power isn't interested in fixing things anymore.
The war on the middle class
The war war on women
The war on minorities
The war on immigrants
The war against it’s own people
Like...World War 2? Maybe?
Maybe
The war for Coproations.
The war for Doublethink.
A country primed on patriotic indoctrination/high on sniffing its own farts, shaken and stirred by billionaires like a rabid, abused dog chasing its tail, whislt it's abusive masters laugh.
Plus, I've got the feeling him + his Mrs might be swingers and that's just not for me.
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By that I don't mean the failed Reagan crap but the war to make us pay more for prescription drugs.