They go low, kick them in the groin and go scorched earth. We didn't roll over during the Revolution when we wanted to be free from tyranny. We fought dirty. We must do it again.
The establishment, funding & support of additional political parties seems like it should be a priority for the US.
Most healthy democracies have multiple parties, the minors serving to keep the majors honest & develop alternate policy settings.
Why does the USA have such an entrenched duopoly?
I think at the moment, with half of the country worshipping the Mango Mussolini and treating elections like a sports event, supporting a team who is for poverty for the masses and increased starvation of the populace, an additional party would only dilute the resolution of a national vote. Alas.
I'm so fucking done with that bullshit! If we're gonna take back our country we gotta get down in the mud with the pigs. If you're afraid of getting dirty move the hell over and get the fuck outta the way so the rest of us can get to work.
Can someone describe what the effective low road Democrat does differently that everyone this thread is so excited about? What's an example of a successful low road winning Democrat? I sincerely don't know what you are trying to create.
Not my idea of a low road strategy to get excited about. Not a high road example either. Clayburn is spineless in this and ignorant of what we all got out of Nixon being pardoned. Presidents have all been above the law since then.
How about Joe thinks outside the box? We need more than judges and preemptive pardons. We need to release all the evidence of Trump‘s crimes. Biden could try to expand the SC, but he’s such a goddamn institutionalist that he is going to let a traitor criminal take over & burn our democracy to ashes
FDR expanded the court but his advantage was that the planners of the Wall Street Coup wanted it to remain a secret. These guys don’t care because the people do not seem to understand the consequences.
40 years of purposely underfunding education is all it takes it seems.
We live in an age of post-normality. Any Democrat pretending that a Rapist Convicted Felon is a normal in-coming President is delusional. This is capitulation for the sake of process & procedure. Disgusting.
Thank you,Mary,for pointing out what I thought I was the only one screaming about for the last ten years ...but sadly, I fear you're speaking in a vacuum...Dems are too wrapped up in woke, political correctness and whining about how unfair life is...to really pay attention....too bad but too true...
Biden is going to go down in history as the man who willingly and without fight let a fascist, theocratist, oligarchic dictatorship take over America. In 25 years, no one is going to care about any of his other accomplishments. He'll be a footnote to a tyranny.
F them all! We, the people, need to protest in the streets now. Stop waiting for an Avenger to drop out of the sky to save us!
If Romania, South Korea, and Syria did it, so can we.
I'm with you on that. They don't necessarily have to get down in the mud with them, but they need to start running their bullshit back on them for a change
I agree completely! A pardon would be unimaginable. I am shocked that Rep. Clyburn would even bring it up! It would be like pardoning Osama bin Laden, Joseph Stalin, or Genghis Khan. 45 may not be as monstrous yet... but give him and his proxies time. They will get there.
Shucks! Grandpa Joe went on a 4-Yr Tour called "Saving Democracy" and all I got was a dumb t-shirt saying something about norms, civil discourse, and something called a "high road." Bet this'll scare the gestappo when I put it on!
SCOTUS ruling on the 14th amend sec 3 either lied or missed this Federal Law, either of which is obscene we have a court that will do that. They wrote that Congress had to have a Law passed to enforce the 14th amendment.
Here is the Law - NIxon signed it. This is total bullshit from our Government
AOC is a liar. She hates Jews. That's enough for me to hate her back. I suspect every one of her supporters of the same accusations. How can someone trust a liar?
It is long past time for a major generational change in leadership of all levels of Government & Political parties. Thank you to the old guard for your years of service, but c'mon, pass the torch already. If you need to remain active. fine - Wisely mentor those coming along after you, but move on!
Don’t let it go the way he wants it. It’s always better to beat these types with cunning and cleverness. That’s what you have on your side. Wear them down.
This is so true. I still worry that too many Dems bury their head and hide from MAGA by deleting or ignoring rather than engaging them. All of us sitting here and sharing our thoughts won’t change anything in 4 years. We are running in sand if we don’t start having hard discussions
The problem with always taking the high road is that you lose for your principles. The people who take the low road, lie, cheat and steal win. They are willing to win at any cost. This is simple philosophy in real terms. If your ideals are more important than actual outcome, get comfortable losing.
Exactly, link and MO was the one who said "when they go low, we go high". Yea, sure, that's where we are now, taking your facking high road. Thank you for nothing.
We all need a vacation from that high road. But *they* need a permanent leave of absence. Our graciousness, indulgence, and timidity, not to mention our belief in rationality, have got us all into intractable social and cultural distress.
hell fucking no to the high road, since the gop has been stealing elections since at least 2000, and now are currently overthrowing our government/democracy.
The high road brought us to where we are now. Unfortunately, we need to lower ourselves a bit to compete. Going down to their level would make us just as bad as they are.
The members of the GOP that were part of the conspiracy to create the lies that led to your brother's death were never charged because of the high road DOJ and failed strategy to charge only Trump and not his co-conspirators
I know it and despise the fact that not one of the people involved with planning and executing the insurrection ever served a minute behind bars. Only the low level idiots who believed Trump and his lieutenants were jailed.
Garland’s performance as AG was terrible. He proved himself to be completely spineless when he could have acted. Garland is the reason we have Trump II and I will never forgive him for allowing Trump a second crack at holding office
If only the loss you and your family suffered received the same attention that a murderer of a healthcare CEO received from him we would be a better country.
I get what they’re saying. If they were traditional Republicans, maybe, though I still say Ford pardoning Nixon was a mistake. But we’re talking MAGA. They’d just laugh at their victory. They don’t know compassion; they think it’s weak. We’ve got to be Churchill, not Chamberlain.
Oralè Resisters
Kari Lake top contender to be Ambassador to Mexico:
Next to plans for invading he’s infecting them HATE!
Do you think she’ll sue him
If she doesn’t get the job
Try Oz. The weather's just warming up, and the time zone is 10 hours ahead. So all the news from the US is basically yesterday's, and the only thing that is deadly is, well, most of the wildlife.
Please build a bypass that leads to a stronger and better road for all Americans.
Going back to the old road will only result in a continuous cycle of fighting over something trump and maga have control over and Americans just abandonned
So James clyburn thinks Biden should pardon Trump. Is that the low road or high road because now I’ve lost all
Respect for that thinking and now that man. Such a shame.
I'm crying! No, LITERALLY, I'm crying..."When they go low, we go HIGH" was a catchy phrase, and seemed to be the way I was taught, too...But Trump is a mud-dog, a swamp-rat, and has a brain wired unlike MOST people...Fuck the HIGH ROAD...I've got road rash already!
Don't forget, Obama did NOTHING to prop up the Democratic party or build the coalition and increase democratic presence. NOTHING. Biden on his way out is doing the same. A lack of teamwork, but I don't blame Biden much since it's the first time in history a party bad mouthed their own candidate.
Every should have a "bug-out" bag ready. I actually think of mine as my "Justin Case" as in, "just in case my father wants to 'talk' politics, I can just excuse myself from the room, grab my bag & go.
For context, almost 3 yrs ago I began transitioning to a care giver for my folks. I knew...
...rupert tv had poisoned my dad, but I didn't realize how much until he voted for donny numnutz after even Gen Milley came out against.
Trumpists, like my dad, can't be reached through reasonable discourse. And I, @54 yrs, can't imagine myself telling him how disappointed/heart broken I am.
The man who stuck by me, whether he approved of my choices or not, kept voting against his own self-interest (remember covid mismanagement) incl his granddaughters' (the misogyny). The man who sparked my love of history, esp US Rev, civ war, ww2, could so easily ignore fascism's rise in America,...
...bc he's angry abt whatever fox booze gets him off on but has zero effect on his very comfortable existence.
We have a tenuous detente that I can't imagine surviving long past Jan 20. Donny-uber-alles is a moron fascist. Once he req's all govt employees, incl military, idk I'll be able to stfu.
trump will expose himself for the fraud he is and we will make another stand in two years and retake the house and senate. Thats the first step and our objective
We need to start planning as if there will not be another chance. If there actually is, then Bonus! But if there isn't, and we were expecting that there would be ... then what?
He’s going to take office whether we like it or not, suspicious or not, justified or not.
Now we build what defenses we can, prepare for 2026 and document everything he does.
It’s gonna be grim but we’re strong
The Democratic party has already asked Biden for more than the party deserved but he came thru for them. Now they are asking for him to pardon? They go too far. Why do they keep coming back to Biden to save them. Self serving SOBs. Fúçk em.
There is plenty of space for dems to shape up. In fact, Smiths job wouldn't be that hard, if democrats in congress had enacted accountability for public officials when we had majory.
The DC Swamp falls mainly in dems lap, due to lack of definition for qualified immunity. Thomas Mcribs used that
Obama almost killed me with his baloney about opioids.. let's not forget that the opioid mageddon occurred under his nose, and when a federal employee raised the red flag about truck loads of pills not being justified, he was told to shut up ..
God help us. Is there not one with a serious spine. Screw the "political correctness". We are in a fight for our country. Too many years pretty much doing nothing except twitching on paydays and writing memos. These clowns have no clue how to really step up to a fight. I am ready. Bring the rope.
I have no intentions of taking the high road..it's time to fight for our freedom..but fights are messy,so you have realize that many people will be hurt..but you need to never give up and never give in..sooner or later we will win
I was thinking it would be petty to sign her in now but let’s be honest, Biden is ready to retire and she would do things the republicans dont have the ability to determine how to unwind, or at least would keep them occupied while the government runs itself in the meantime
I trust that Kamala & others in the admin know better than I what could be done for maximum effect. I'd personally like to see DJT disqualified in some way, but I'm sure there are other actions like declassifying info that would create chaos for Rs in Congress &/or P2025. Take the risk! Fight back!
I have no doubt the Rs can create enough chaos on their own without anyone’s help. She should get in there and put some guardrails in that allow stability while they bicker over their BS. I want the country to keep running because the R dont know how to govern let alone operate the country
Jack—the real one—could do quite a lot to lead us to the low road.
It’d be pretty cool, but I think the DOJ is instead washing its hands and letting the traitors continue down their treacherous path—and blaming Dems for the state of affairs.
I remain confident that these ignorant, oncompetent, rightwing, jackass, conspiracy-loving, Russian-asset, Q-fucks will destroy the economy on plenty of time for the midterms. So, take heart. It should be amusing to watch--in a grim, terrifying way.
Unfortunately the few segments of the anti-Trump movement didn’t uphold their obligation to stop the Tangerine. I’ve got to say it as I see it, and all the pro-choice women who talked a good talk didn’t do the job. I actually thought this would be a cake walk. I suppose they did too and didn’t vote.
It's time to figure out that The Adjuster was taking the high road... He just took what is normally an illegal shortcut that is now the main road because of the Merrick Garbage department of "justice" dereliction of duty and the corrupt judiciary.
By "High Road" what is your barometer? I'm not ready to storm the Capitol & bring a noose.... But obstruct, demand change, protest with crowds so large the ground rumbles when we stomp & buildings rattle when we chant. Those I can go for.
Why I have been a Liberal Independent since 1971, the decision was made in 1968, but I couldn’t vote at 18. I’m exhausted with a two party system with the ideology of “you’re either with me or against me”.
I will try to tone it down LOL Meanwhile Space Drones in South NJ Pine barrens 😳 Just saying! Lots of low road adventures! It is a 4 year shit show so take all the time you need!
Im Done With the HIGH ROADERS !!!
We Know where that High Road Takes US - We are HERE
I'm a Fair Road Democrat
When They Take the LOW Road ~ I Grab My Boots
TRAITOR DJT & TRAITOR republiKKKlans & TRAITOR MSM
Have Thrown Away all the NORMS - DEMS get off Your HIGH HORSE - WAKE UP !!!
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I feel betrayed and abandoned. Betrayed because this election was not questioned and audited on the same lines as the Romanians. Abandoned by deafening silence from our party.
Yes. But he does have the power to ignore it. SCOTUS just ignored section 3 of the same amendment.
If a natural born citizen gets deported, it will be cold comfort for them being cleared to return 10 years later once the lawsuit is settled by our glacial justice system.
Nope. Article 1 is very clear and all the bluster and threatening isn't going to change it. SCOTUS has no authority here. Read the requirements to change it
Ok so his father was born in the US, Bronx to be exact. However his parents were german americans. Its unclear if they were nationalized or not. If they weren't then by his version of the amendment his father and mother were both non-citizens and thus so is he.
4 of his kids qualify under this proposal. Where will they go, you ask? They've been here their entire lives, how can we expect them to leave? Take away their money and whiteness, and you have the same situation brown people are facing. This "rules for thee, but not for me"shit is bananas.
Same. Also ->🖕<- to the “trust the process” democrats who spewed that nonsense since January 7, 2021. Whenever I would question it I would get the “chess not checkers” reply.
Mueller, Garland, Jack Smith and Biden himself are just too old-school… “gentlemen” playing by the rules while the ruffians kick the shit out of everyone.
I don’t know Mueller’s affiliation so didn’t intend to imply he’s a Democrat. But he was a prosecutor, and as such, I feel he dropped the ball with his reluctance to clearly present his findings. This gave Barr the opening he took full advantage of.
He was. And he did his job excellently. But he was hobbled by the simple fact that the law was designed so that a sitting president couldn't be prosecuted, which is why nothing ever came of it. With a republican senate unwilling to vote to convict Trump, he couldn't be tried. Which sucks.
It's not much to go on, but I base my claim on Google's overview of him saying he's a Republican, he was appointed by Republicans, and he is (or was) friends with Bill Barr.
How about Joe throws out the rulebook and gets creative? Pardon everyone with marijuana convictions. Pardon every prisoner on death row. Do some things to slow down this corrupt supreme court. Release all the evidence of Trump‘s crimes.
Dems, showing up at the street fight: "I say, old chap, Marquess Of Queensbury rules, of course?" Rs (pulling baseball bat from pantleg): "Huh? Ya, sure."
Yep, I think those that think passive comments about how everything is going to be ok are the dames ones that didn’t vote nor realize the danger presented,
I keep seeing dems post about “Calm down; It will be ok; Breathe.” And I’m like “hell no, this is my country under a wannabe dictator and our freedom at stake. That is worth fighting for!”
Never bend over in a dress while in the company of Republican men unless you are willing to use those 👠as a weapon. Things I would teach my granddaughter.
I’m doing some critical thinking after this election. The Old guard of Democrats on the hill need to go and retire. They have fucked us badly with their wait and see shit. I’m done with them. We need AOC, Raskin, and for sure Jamie Crockett to take us into the next election. These dinosaurs go!
what makes you think we will have an election if “he” is in power ? —
we need our current president to take action - similar to what George Washington did, Eisenhower, & FDR —
The point is that at some point, they should become the elder states person that trains up a younger generation rather than desperately clinging to the power they wield. By not doing that, they leave a power vacuum when they ultimately die.
I understand your point but that’s not the problem. You have to run to win a seat. If they can’t run and win against an incumbent 🤷♀️ I personally don’t like that you have senators in their 80s and 90s but they are elected
So here we are attacking democrats instead of the corporate billionaire media owners who shaped the argument in their favor. No team worked harder than Harris Walz. They offered a path forward that was good for all America and the free world. So here we are blaming democrats. AAARRRGGGHHHHH
And they've either re-elected or are planning to re-elect that spineless Chuck Schumer to Senate leadership.
The Old Guard is insufferable. [Although, a few younger ones like Klobuchar and Fetterman have generated a couple of serious WTF moments in the past week or so.]
Fetterman is a dud. He's also part of the pardon Trump parade. It's ok to look at your own with a critical eye. If not, we'll keep finding new ways to lose.
That was exactly my point about Fetterman's WTF moment. --The pardon idiocy, and his support for Oz.
I don't even know what we do about these people at this point. One-offs are one thing, but this wholesale capitulation is disheartening (and infuriating).
Thank you. This is exactly right. We need Democrats that are true #Resistance that are ready to fight for every vote, and we need to hold them accountable.
I don't understand the benefit they think taking the highroad will achieve.
He isn't intimidated by the threats.
He isn't going to forgive what he has perceived as attacks over the last 4 years.
His supporters feel the same.
There is no upside. It will change nothing for the better.
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Look what they allow…
I don’t think anyone can say for certain why Kamala lost or what Dems need to do to win in 2026 & 2028.
But I do know that “vote for us even though we suck” is a loosing message.
Most healthy democracies have multiple parties, the minors serving to keep the majors honest & develop alternate policy settings.
Why does the USA have such an entrenched duopoly?
If we're going Dark Knight, give Alfred the key to destroy it and put the villains behind 'bars'.
It's called aiding and abetting or accessory after the fact according to prosecutors.
40 years of purposely underfunding education is all it takes it seems.
When he won. What is your point? Democrats are not allowed to be normal decent leaders?
And he can stop it
If Romania, South Korea, and Syria did it, so can we.
While I was relieved he beat Mehmet, my original choice would have been Conor Lamb, the Representative who was defeated in the Democratic primary.
Biden should follow his Oath of Office and execute this Law
Title 5 sec 7311 makes it illegal for orange menace to hold Federal Office.
Demand the Law be enforced.
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Here is the Law - NIxon signed it. This is total bullshit from our Government
Every one else needs to roll up our sleeves and get to work!!
That said, I'm not a Democrat. I'm more of a #TaintParty.
Right between the p*$$i€s and the @$$©LEs!
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Complete failure and high road/normalizing a coup mentality that left us a weaker nation.
Kari Lake top contender to be Ambassador to Mexico:
Next to plans for invading he’s infecting them HATE!
Do you think she’ll sue him
If she doesn’t get the job
Adios.
Please build a bypass that leads to a stronger and better road for all Americans.
Going back to the old road will only result in a continuous cycle of fighting over something trump and maga have control over and Americans just abandonned
Respect for that thinking and now that man. Such a shame.
But you ain’t gonna win the war with sewer rats by taking the high road.
We have the Interwebs so you could still do podcasts and shit.
For context, almost 3 yrs ago I began transitioning to a care giver for my folks. I knew...
Trumpists, like my dad, can't be reached through reasonable discourse. And I, @54 yrs, can't imagine myself telling him how disappointed/heart broken I am.
We have a tenuous detente that I can't imagine surviving long past Jan 20. Donny-uber-alles is a moron fascist. Once he req's all govt employees, incl military, idk I'll be able to stfu.
Where are they? 🦋
People in my neighborhood can’t afford Christmas 🎄 Lights, let alone a “F*vking Tree.”
We’re almost homeless, and there is “No room at the Inn.”
Grab your bag and grab your coat
Tell the ones that need to know
We are headed north
One foot in and one foot back
But it don't pay to live like that
So I cut the ties and I jumped the tracks
For never to return
-Avett Brothers
Who's watching the election machines?
We need to start planning as if there will not be another chance. If there actually is, then Bonus! But if there isn't, and we were expecting that there would be ... then what?
and I'm not just spittin into the wind either, FBI's fucking nervous.
Patel is obviously not the answer but we do need to grow some balls on that agency
We’re still too strong for that. I’m sure. We must be
He is VERY swollen now.
His face is all puffy.
Now we build what defenses we can, prepare for 2026 and document everything he does.
It’s gonna be grim but we’re strong
🤦🏻♀️
The DC Swamp falls mainly in dems lap, due to lack of definition for qualified immunity. Thomas Mcribs used that
Obama almost killed me with his baloney about opioids.. let's not forget that the opioid mageddon occurred under his nose, and when a federal employee raised the red flag about truck loads of pills not being justified, he was told to shut up ..
I saw a 200 year old democracy with a constitution fall to a military dictatorship and know the signs of fascism and totalitarian regimes.
Before this chaos and violence is over, there will be many changes to what we once believed was the status quo.
These angels will help 💙🐾
I'm a never bought the GOP BS, even pre MAGA.
I've really soured on the Dems.
Need to fight fire with fire
Even Jimmy Carter would become less gentlemanly at this point
It's gloves off time
•Unseal DOJ records on Trump & Cabal
•Issue pre-emptive pardons
•Biden resign
•Swear in Kamala #47 to screw w Trump 45-47
It’d be pretty cool, but I think the DOJ is instead washing its hands and letting the traitors continue down their treacherous path—and blaming Dems for the state of affairs.
Were they not paying attention AT ALL the past 9 years??
You cannot give these people the benefit of the doubt because they will spit in your face as they happily destroy the country
Im Done With the HIGH ROADERS !!!
We Know where that High Road Takes US - We are HERE
I'm a Fair Road Democrat
When They Take the LOW Road ~ I Grab My Boots
TRAITOR DJT & TRAITOR republiKKKlans & TRAITOR MSM
Have Thrown Away all the NORMS - DEMS get off Your HIGH HORSE - WAKE UP !!!
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Clarifying...
ITS Time for DEMs who are on their HIGH HORSE still
going Down the HIGH ROAD to WAKE UP !!!
& Join the Rest of Us taking another ROAD - FIGHTING for
DEMOCRACY
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Dems need to start now. If they don't stand up for the disheartened right now, this sense of abandonment is going to destroy them.
Get someone loud and aggressive in our faces STAT.
DJT parents were both immigrants does he lose his birth right citizenship?
If a natural born citizen gets deported, it will be cold comfort for them being cleared to return 10 years later once the lawsuit is settled by our glacial justice system.
They had four fucking years to get a job done.
A Must watch if you haven't seen... so dang good!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9IFyxOwTX4
It's not much to go on, but I base my claim on Google's overview of him saying he's a Republican, he was appointed by Republicans, and he is (or was) friends with Bill Barr.
I love war
Don’t let the butterflies bother you
Round up every conspirator from J6 and declare them enemies of the state. Tie them up in court, unable to serve
A huge chuck of the party is disconnected from reality. I get ”be nice until it is time not to be nice” attitude. It is way past time not to be nice.
They're the enemy within.
These panst ass democrats make me so angry.
Something in the oceans
Stir..
we need our current president to take action - similar to what George Washington did, Eisenhower, & FDR —
The Old Guard is insufferable. [Although, a few younger ones like Klobuchar and Fetterman have generated a couple of serious WTF moments in the past week or so.]
I don't even know what we do about these people at this point. One-offs are one thing, but this wholesale capitulation is disheartening (and infuriating).
He isn't intimidated by the threats.
He isn't going to forgive what he has perceived as attacks over the last 4 years.
His supporters feel the same.
There is no upside. It will change nothing for the better.