It all feels like a family with a genuinely abusive family member choosing to just carry on with the holiday traditions, hoping to create normalcy through sheer will and denial.
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Melania had the worst inauguration look ever. Quen Elizabeth would teach the classless creature to never wear a hat that overs your face. I immediately thought of Natasha in The Rocky & Bullwinkel
Speaking of "sheer will and denial," why is MSNBC cheering on the inauguration of a 34-time felon/ rapist?
This goes beyond MSNBC covering an event historically, but rather treating the event as a positive instance, which it is not by any objective viewpoint.
It’s a cooping mechanism.
Its insanity.
I mean that in a literal way.
It's all too much for people to deal with, so they've made amends with amnesia and lies and denials.
Like Joe and Mika? Stopped watching most of the programming on your network the day they announced their pilgrimage to Mar-a-Lago. Lawrence O'Donnell is the only reason MSNBC hasn't gone completely dark for me.
If only we treated him like the abuser he is and held him accountable when we had the chance. I wrote about his cycle of abuse in 2019 and again 2020 - before the capitol attack. That his escalation is predictable doesn’t make it less dangerous.
I don't know what you expect people to do. "We won't go to the inauguration! That'll show 'em!" The message they are sending is that they respect democracy despite the outcome. There is no guarantee in a democracy that the people will make good decisions.
How are you calling anything the outcome of democracy when the constitutional laws governing the democracy have been broken with no accountability? How can you have one party following the laws and norms of a democracy while the other party has made it clear they aren’t bound by it?
It is exactly that. My MAGA voting sister asked to come visit during spring break. I told her no. She thought it would be fine if we just didn’t talk politics.
They’ll learn next time they go pick up a prescription or find out their social security check shrunk or see co-workers handcuffed and taken by ICE. Or maybe they won’t.
Now, now, Chris…let’s not pretend you along with your brothers and sisters didn’t enable that abusive family member by treating him like he’s the most special boi.
I'm the great aunt at this gathering everyone considers off her rocker because I speak the truth that nobody wants to hear. That and hummingbirds facts.
There will never be normalcy! There will be disgraceful peeling off of traditions, honor and dignity of the United States until Trump changes the name to North Venezuela. Although there is another way, we gather all family members and remove the offending family member! 2026 is the date of action!
Well, we wouldn’t want to ruffle the feathers of the abuser, now would we?
What this is ACTUALLY called is “enabling.” Everyone suffers except the abuser.
Well isn’t that the assignment? Besides fighting back, we all need to continue to live and love and ignore him. Some of us know how to ignore the abusive family member and be happy anyway. Spite can fuel you.
My bothersome brain is inclined toward psychic flashes, whether I want them or not, and “58 days” popped out of my mouth when I was reading cards for the whole American collective the other day.
No further information was forthcoming about what happens in/after 58 days.
It is the same. If Americans took time to listen to Hitler’s own words on National Geographic channel perhaps they would at least know where the Sexual Assaulter Convicted Felon will do to America and it’s citizens.
Our system failed us. Our politicians failed us Our judicial system failed us. Education system failed us democracy died today. And the news all helped spread his lies and give him free press all day long.
You think President Vance is better? He's a fully manipulable empty suit. I think they will 14th Amendment the Convicted Felon out and put Vance in anyway. Completely controllable.
Vance is less dangerous, yes. I absolutely believe that. He’s horrible, but less dangerous at the same time. I can’t emphasize enough that we are actively in danger right now.
Agree but also…. None of the other d-bags have the sway over the moronic masses. MAGA may not ever end, but without its leader, it won’t be as powerful as it is now. For whatever reason, THAT guy is the draw.
I believe, in a hypothesized theory, it was taken by force.
But since you apparently can only perceive literal theories, I’ll simplify by saying I meant it metaphorically.
But this application could also prove to be difficult since you trust the results of the election thus making it “so much WORST”
People with personality disorders think everyone else is/has a problem. They are fine, happy even, while everyone around them struggles to find sanity. Key is to resist adjusting your thinking to their crazy settings; they think you’re the problem, but you are not.
I really wish Democratic leaders had said fuck all, and not gone to the inauguration. It would’ve captured media attention, which would’ve pissed Trump off. It would’ve sent a message to our base that they are prepared to be an opposition party. I hate normalizing him in a place that he terrorized.
I have a very different take. My profession is such that I often have to work with those I despise. Observing social niceties affords me the ability to function later.
And this very same practice is also noted in many primers on politics.
It seems like they can't abandon the notion that modelling good behavior will somehow influence people who are prepared to break every norm or even rule to have power.
The Democratic party and electoral politics are not where we will find any hope of resistance. We have to think far beyond that to defeat Trump and everything he stands for
I don’t agree that they don’t care about the people. Everything Biden did was to try to raise up working in middle class people. I think the older generation is hobbled by bipartisan of the past and they need to let some of the younger leaders stir up some shit! Following norms doesn’t work with F47
I’m talking about economic policy. I am against the Israel policy & feel that will be his biggest failure. In terms of domestic policy, though, for the first time in 40 years, the economic curve started to show greater growth amongst lower income groups than upper (source: economist Justin Wolfer)
I don’t agree with that. I just think they’re too attached to old ways and haven’t figured out how to operate in this new environment fast enough. We need people like AOC to have more influence.
at this point it's a distinction without a difference. we're in nazi America now and it's partly their fault. watch as they roll over and let trump do whatever he wants, and maybe even vote for some of his bills
They spoke a big game about defending democracy and seemed passionate. But they ignored the apparent self-executing aspect of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment (which disqualifies Trump from holding office). And if in fact the provision is self-executing , its effect remains active.
Ya know I think it’s time you all started to demand it of them
It’s their job to deal with the government cuz they are the government. They all need to take a weekend seminar on narcissistic abuse so they learn how to hold these jerks to account and stop expecting the people to do it for them
Must appoint more young warriors to pertinent positions- AOC should have had the seat that Pelosi blocked her from .
The outstanding fighters like Bernie ,Whitehouse , Raskin etc but they need to get the younger ones on a significant % to give the people hope of change. Katie Porter we need you
We’ve needed Al Franken these last eight years too. I will never forgive Kristen Gillibrand for pushing him out without an adequate ethics investigation. I wish he had stayed and fought.
I agree- and he says he wishes he hadn’t given into the pressure . A reporter asked her if she regretted pressuring him and she wouldn’t answer just took off .
She wouldn't be a ranking member to be a "warrior, she'd be there to work with her party and Republicans to get stuff done.
Maybe she should actually pass a bill, get some practice first.
We’re talking about the capacity for messaging effectively and having a broad reach. The real battle is to get our messaging through to the low information voters who are up to their eyeballs in disinformation.
In that position, she'd have to work with Republicans, then you'd be mad for her cooperating with them.
Ranking member always goes to the most senior person in the minority anyway.
We have to stop with our own party going with the Republican labeling of AOC and others as if they are radical leftist or socialists. They are on the Progressive wing of our party, but I believe she in particular has really grown into the job and deserved leadership voters want new generation.
I don't dislike AOC, but she's said some stuff like that she probably regrets now.
She's in a super safe 80% Dem district, but she's only one of a very few. Many have flipped red seats & have a very different constituency to consider.
She's tried to primary some of them so, not all besties anyway.
Who said we were "going with" it? The Republicans have a giant media juggernaut, we don't.
The mainstream media always defaults to them and they know it.
All they have to do is go to the video of her saying she's a socialist.
Hispanics familiar with their former socialist leaders will turn away.
An ignorant interpretation and hasty generalization. Some of us remember what it used to be like when they all worked across the aisle and got things done. When gop ousted their crook. The point is she DOES work across the aisle-we need strong people like her to fight what this fascist regime .
Well, I'm sure he'll reward their good manners with a sincere attempt to reach across the aisle and come up with constructive solutions to America's problems.
Biden saying to Trump: “Welcome home.” I nearly threw up. Biden is such a mediocre man, he should never have been elevated to that office. What a stupid vapid fool.
That made me sick too. But I’m not going to denigrate him because the reality is he was the first potus since FDR to have the right perspective about funneling more money to lower income classes and for the first time in 40 years, it was starting to change the curve. He’s just tied to fucking norms.
He didn’t even try to raise the pathetic $7.25/hour minimum wage. If you’re talking about the child tax credit that expired, that’s on Joe fucking Manchin’s rotting head. An utter disgrace, that whole family. And Biden kissing up to them, giving his wife a job.
The part that's not clicking with you morons keep shitting on the Dems ....it's exactly what the magats/GOP wanted .... Damn if the dems do damn if they don't ... And it's obvious none of y'all actually paid attention to what was happening
I agree. I mentioned disliking Snoop now that he's performing for Trump, my daughter lectured me for 15 minutes how she thinks if I have an opinion I should keep it to myself. She voted for fascist Trump. I just told her, she'll find out. Talk to me in a year.
It really does. I have to admit, I’m genuinely angry that Biden, the Clintons, Obama, and the Bushes are attending. And that Biden hosted him at the White House for a fireside chat. This isn’t normal—why be polite at a surrender. Michelle Obama is the only one who seems to truly get it.
I have the most respect for that Lady. It seems disingenuous for the democrats to attend after everything they said about this Orange blow hole! I can’t imagine having to look at him in the face and congratulating him 🤮🤮🤮
But until now, he won 😞😢and we can have suspicion, but nobody has proved the cheating.
Democrats can't do exactly what they are blaming Reps and MAGAs do: not respect the constitution and the protocols.
We know they cheated in many ways 😱and some ways we knew them,why we couldn't do anything about🤦🏻♀️
I haven't heard anything about actual voter fraud or cheating. He won by 1+%. But there was a lot of lies, disinformation, disinterest and basic lack of education. Most regular people who voted for him were conned. The rest were opportunists who have enough money to believe this was good for them.
Michelle is the ONLY one who gets it. "I'm Not Ready To Make Nice" is playing on repeat through my head at all this. I don't understand why more Dems will not show at least a semblance of a fighting spirit about it. Will the people have to do it before they will do ANYTHING?!
EVER. They are ruining lives for generations to come. I won't let that slide. I am in my early 50s. There's no way I will see every wrong righted in my lifetime. I wish people considered the long-term ramifications of the GOP's actions instead of the instant gratification of "owning the libs"
Unfortunately, many family in the USA operate like this.
So many family systems are reflections of childhood trauma, and I wonder if it's that perception that's projected upon not just how we see the world, but how we decide our politics as a whole.
Trump and his Volk don’t want normalcy or the appearance of normalcy. Why can’t smart people get over the idea that “normality” should be our lodestar? What we should want is something far better for everyone than normality ever was.
When Trump’s FBI comes for Hillary Clinton or Liz Cheney, are you going to “tsk tsk, that’s unfortunate” or are you going to use your platform to do something useful and maybe dangerous?
You media guys have NEVER accepted your role in this fucking travesty.
They wanted DT to win because anger brings more views. They bought that documentary about the kids taken at the border and never reunited so they could play it AFTER the election. It could've been out there in October reminding people of the shitshow coming back.
I lived this over and over irl. I don't need to watch this bs. Also, will not be watching MSNBC ever again. Not even Rachel. But hey, that's MSM for ya. I'm sick of it all. Civility be damned.
I grew up in hone with significant domestic violence. As I watch American women support the adjudicated rapist, it reminds me of how abused women stay in the unhealthy relationship too long. It’s so heartbreaking for me to watch. So disgusting especially all the abuse that rapist as inflicted
YES!!! I have been saying this since the last time. Women attracted to and staunchly voting for him are like the “ bad boyfriend” magnets; “Daddy issues.”
I’m turning 57 in a month and just when I was finally free, here comes another Boomer acting like some abusive parent you want dead telling me who I am and what can and can’t do. I really hate those people, their alien god and their book of lies now available for $69.99. Unfucking believable!
Biden was never going to win reelection based on his own team's internal polls, *before* he ran again.
Blaming MSNBC more than Biden and his team for running again means you aren't actually interested in having the person of the highest position in the country take accountability.
Also - I’m blaming MSNBC for their contribution toward Trump’s re-election. I am not playing comparison games. You can focus on one group’s contribution by itself instead of playing the dismissal game.
You are correct! There are lots of reasons The Democrats lost, but MSM was definitely part of the reasons. I haven’t watched @MSNBC since 11/5 and don’t miss their “I think” reporting one single bit.
I voted for Harris. I’m not just reflecting on what happened in July. I’m talking about all four years of coverage. They focused on Trump and ignored Biden’s accomplishments, simply because they wanted to sane-wash Trump.
Because news corporations do what's best for the corporation. If you expected anything more then you haven't noticed that all aspects of our lives are being bought out by billionaires.
Biden did that himself as he admitted in his interview with Lawrence O’Donnell. Biden failed to do politics and relentlessly communicate his achievements. It was not the media or MSNBCs fault for this
So you think it’s acceptable for media to ignore information. Trump did not just send promote - he spread hate and tribalism. Good to know that you are someone who supports that - I don’t talk to authoritarianists.
I agreed with this sentiment in July. But Biden no longer deserves credit for anything. Saving his own family’s asses while throwing the rest of us to the wolves on his way out the door
Your screen name definitely checks out. Definitely regressive. He deserves credit for many things over the past four years. Protecting his son was perfectly fine.
None of this will be their legacy. Infographics of policy wins won’t supercede letting an insurrectionist avoid justice for 4 years to then deny them a 2nd term.
With a “Welcome home” to boot. They failed us all.
Biden has been a politician for a long time. A lot of the good things he was trying to do during his time in office were a weak attempt to mitigate the damage he did as a member of the legislative branch.
He didn't get the nickname "Senator from MBNA" for no reason.
I have never heard that nickname in my entire 50 years, and I was a journalism major. Must have been a nickname long ago or in a very small subset community. I have no problem with Biden’s record. I don’t have to agree with someone 100% to give him credit like the ultra left requires.
Anyone familiar with Biden's record as a career politician, spanning decades, would be familiar with that nickname. Most people know his personal details-- a tragic family history and his much- publicized love for amtrak, but that nickname spawns from his actual voting record.
Yes, it is important for multiple viewpoints to be expressed in conversation. Silencing people is not conducive to democracy. Disagreements don’t automatically equal fighting.
We will be abused. We are entering the chamber of a sadist. But we must remember that many other people whose voices can't be heard here will be worse abused. He will select the voiceless first for punishment. Then he'll go after everyone else.
For the first time in my adult life (I'm 60), I am not watching the inauguration. Surprisingly, no one in my family or immediate social circle is watching either.
Makes me wonder who they all are behind the scenes towards their own children. What they tell them about their own father or what they teach them about the world in general.
He had lots and lots of help from his media family that didn't want him to feel jealous of his cousin Joe, so they didn't talk about all the great things Joe did.
Genocide apologists are the reason we lost this election. People don't get excited to vote when their taxes are sent to blow up schools and hospitals and torture doctors in other countries instead of being used to support the schools and hospitals and hire doctors in this country.
Remember when Biden and Harris lost the most easily winnable election ever by trying to push pro genocide policies - especially in swing states with a collective 90,000 Muslim voters?
Remember when everyone warned all Democrats that this wasn't going to work, and they were depressing the vote?
Unfortunately because the family is very rich and powerful, other relatives and friends have to perpetuate the fallacy. Damn you disfunctional family. Let’s hope you haven’t destroyed family traditions for the rest of us.
Most of our media, politicians, courts have spent years normalizing sedition, theft, terrorism, treason, and it looks as if they will continue on the same path.
The good news or the bad news, lawlessness now applies for all Americans and targeting republicans is fair game.
I am done being lied to by ABC, CBS, NBC, & MSNBC. The Republican Media Reputation preceded the liar Trump. Now they all spread lies or political opinion which is another word for 🐂 💩.
I have said maga treats trump has the crazy uncle that spews nonsense, don't believe a word he says, just let him ramble. Except you selected old guy to run the country, when he can't run a business successfully.
And the rest of the family is drinking and laughing along with them, while you and your siblings are worried about what tomorrow's hangover will entail
I understand the need to keep the tradition of a peaceful transition of power, but to see Biden and Obama cheering him on, feels like a 1,000 cuts of betrayal
We can’t just carry on. We must be creative and make change. And there are too many upcoming votes that people seem resigned to. We can’t just oh well this. Stop it. Make noise. There have to be alternative paths here. Who’s got ideas?
Yes, the walking on eggshells has started. It's a dark feeling in the pit of the gut of making yourself smaller so you are less of a target. Not a good vibe 😕
I very specifically mean white, cishet men. They don’t have to be rich, because white men are taught in America that if they’re poor they can just make money through perseverance and grit. Look up the idea of a “temporarily embarrassed billionaire”.
Chris: when word comes down from the MSNBC ownership that you have to move on (and it will), start a channel with Rachel, Lawrence, Jen, Joy, and Ari and I’m in.
So many saw him as a regular politician until #J6. He’s been a manipulative, mean, gross asshole for decades. When he mocked the disabled journalist in 2015, I thought there’s no way he’s fit to lead us.
And, tonight he pardoned all those insurrectionists.
Because he’s mean, manipulative and only cares about DJT.
It’s going to be a very long four years.
Actually it feels like the alcoholic family member who increases their drinking during the holidays and shows up drunk, falls into the Christmas tree, and then grabs the carving knife to “show everybody how to cut up this fucking bird!”
I didn’t follow the dysfunctional family rules set forth by my father in law. He intentionally ruined my marriage because of it. It’s wild how narcissists manage to have total control over their families.
Jokes on him though, his short, petulant son is all alone now and I’m happier than ever. 🥰
Do you honestly think they know normalcy? No wonder they are the way they are, space cadets. No one has mentioned how stoned daddy fat boy is today .. Look at his eyes ..Must of been some tea party with Joe or a private Adderall party..
Having just left an abusive relationship this tracks. After an evening of drunken hate screaming and horrible treatment, the motherfucker would get up the following morning and just pretend none of it happened.
-- even though, like those of us who have those kinds of people in our lives, they know good and fucking well it's not gonna happen in this lifetime or any other.
Even this comment 'normalises' them. They are not normal. Not healthy. They are dangerously toxic to literally thousands of innocent people.
Think of Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Mao, Suharto & a bunch of others like Xi, Putin, Franco who for all their rhetoric are only remembered for the deaths they caused
Right? "Let's just all go through the motions, pretend everything is normal, fine." Little Billy, "But ... Fat Daddy is a felon ... and a sex assaulter ... who hates democracy, the US Constitution ... undermines US law ... tried to steal an election using violent terrorism ...." "Shh. Quiet, now!"
That is EXACTLY the vibe I'm picking up and have been since watching the fear on Don Jr.'s face when Freaky Daddy-o called on Barron to come up and join him onstage
Like most scions, Barron was rumoured to be Pop's pick to run for something as part of Trump's dynasty building.
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Speaking of "sheer will and denial," why is MSNBC cheering on the inauguration of a 34-time felon/ rapist?
This goes beyond MSNBC covering an event historically, but rather treating the event as a positive instance, which it is not by any objective viewpoint.
Most people no longer have the willpower to confront reality.
Its insanity.
I mean that in a literal way.
It's all too much for people to deal with, so they've made amends with amnesia and lies and denials.
Reality is just too hard to confront anymore.
A message from the past:
This isn’t like disagreements about the appropriate tax rate or something.
These are fundamental moral principles.
What this is ACTUALLY called is “enabling.” Everyone suffers except the abuser.
No further information was forthcoming about what happens in/after 58 days.
But 58 days was clear😬
Unimaginable.
There was an election and the people chose to.
Which is what makes it all so much worst.
But since you apparently can only perceive literal theories, I’ll simplify by saying I meant it metaphorically.
But this application could also prove to be difficult since you trust the results of the election thus making it “so much WORST”
Wait till these grifting terrorists start assaulting our rights, then we fight.
And this very same practice is also noted in many primers on politics.
Just my take, don't hurt me too badly
It’s their job to deal with the government cuz they are the government. They all need to take a weekend seminar on narcissistic abuse so they learn how to hold these jerks to account and stop expecting the people to do it for them
Some know how to deal with these bullies but it’s not enough they all have to do it
I’m still hoping that the right is thwarted here
The outstanding fighters like Bernie ,Whitehouse , Raskin etc but they need to get the younger ones on a significant % to give the people hope of change. Katie Porter we need you
Maybe she should actually pass a bill, get some practice first.
Ranking member always goes to the most senior person in the minority anyway.
She's in a super safe 80% Dem district, but she's only one of a very few. Many have flipped red seats & have a very different constituency to consider.
She's tried to primary some of them so, not all besties anyway.
The mainstream media always defaults to them and they know it.
All they have to do is go to the video of her saying she's a socialist.
Hispanics familiar with their former socialist leaders will turn away.
Stay tuned. :)
Democrats can't do exactly what they are blaming Reps and MAGAs do: not respect the constitution and the protocols.
We know they cheated in many ways 😱and some ways we knew them,why we couldn't do anything about🤦🏻♀️
AOC: "To hell with that rapist."
So many family systems are reflections of childhood trauma, and I wonder if it's that perception that's projected upon not just how we see the world, but how we decide our politics as a whole.
You media guys have NEVER accepted your role in this fucking travesty.
Blaming MSNBC more than Biden and his team for running again means you aren't actually interested in having the person of the highest position in the country take accountability.
Giving yourself space to make excuses for Trump when he gets the same treatment from the Democratic Party leaders that Bush has?
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/17/politics/joe-biden-regret-presidency/index.html
https://youtube.com/shorts/l0KwZsHk5XI?si=S8y27hdh4LIYAZqZ
With a “Welcome home” to boot. They failed us all.
Democrats can be disappointed when their party leaders fails them and the country on this scale.
He didn't get the nickname "Senator from MBNA" for no reason.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/02/joe-biden-student-loan-debt-2005-act-2020
But only when many working class whites KNOW that Trump really do not care about them.
He uses their fear and racism for himself.
We only need about 15% to feel the hurt and disillusionment.
But first they must know economic pain.
Then they change.
These guys need a prolonged and painful kick in the teeth.
People don’t change unless the situation is so dire that they have no other choice. Their mortality/money must be placed in extreme risk.
Just be prepared to point to a better alternative when it happens.
Remember when everyone warned all Democrats that this wasn't going to work, and they were depressing the vote?
And the chirpy relative who loudly exclaims how wooooonderful it is to gather together...in this case, with a rapist.
It does not feel like that for me.
I survived abuse and assault.
I found and created a family that was good. A partner and two kids. Mid / late 30s.
Then the Obama Backlash happened.
I cannot carry on because I brought children to this world, and they need to live in it.
The good news or the bad news, lawlessness now applies for all Americans and targeting republicans is fair game.
That’s what’s happening 💯
It’s textbook narcissism
Who is "we"?
I very specifically mean white, cishet men. They don’t have to be rich, because white men are taught in America that if they’re poor they can just make money through perseverance and grit. Look up the idea of a “temporarily embarrassed billionaire”.
We’ll do just fine.
Because he’s mean, manipulative and only cares about DJT.
It’s going to be a very long four years.
Jokes on him though, his short, petulant son is all alone now and I’m happier than ever. 🥰
Think of Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Mao, Suharto & a bunch of others like Xi, Putin, Franco who for all their rhetoric are only remembered for the deaths they caused
Like most scions, Barron was rumoured to be Pop's pick to run for something as part of Trump's dynasty building.
But, Mom said no.