God, Americans cannot let go of the idea that we're the main characters of the universe. "Why aren't the Canadians prioritizing American feelings? Why aren't they trying to reach us?" Because why the fuck should they!? What do you imagine Canada owes Americans, blue state or otherwise?
Yes. This is our greatest failing here in the US. Indoctrination, ignorance, and arrogance have turned us into the villains (and unfortunately half of us embrace it wholeheartedly). It’s embarrassing and horrifying for those of us who see it.
That's a humble response on a post that's filled with anger towards American arrogance. You're not the only American with this unpretentious attitude for other countries. I know many great Americans. I want you to know many of us in Canada feel heartbroken for Americans like you. We don't blame you.
You won't get sympathy from me for those that claim they were miss-led. They all knew and supported an known liar and criminal and chose to lose their humanity. But most did not. The last thing we need is for them to be divided as well. It is a time of monsters and good people need to work together.
It's not like Trump gives a shit about anything but oil & gas, that's why it's "only" getting hit with 10%.
He's got no problem with tariffing food and lumber and aluminum and steel. So fuck'em.
Once Medicare, Medicaid, social security, and Obamacare are on the chopping block, the south will hurt the most, true, but by then, the damage will be irreparable and to us all.
Terrible, I'm Canadian, and you guys need to not be afraid of that clown. Hes just a typical bully. Keep fighting, because now we have to fight him too.
Maybe Canada should cut off lumber. During Covid, this paralyzed building and construction firms, which strongly back trump. And I think the US is dependent on Canada for some metals, which could really mess with telsa directly.
Oh yeah,you guys need us for lots of stuff. Especially potash, lumber and energy. I expect little Donnie to capitulate once he feels the blowback. But the hatred for him in my country is something I've never seen before in Canada. He's united my entire country.
Blue states need to know that a substantial number of Canadians see your entire country as an enemy nation, & we don't really care how many of the 346 million ppl *who are currently allowing your Fash leaders to continue breathing* actually voted republican.
Blue states ALSO need to know that your fascist president is trying to start a war with a country whose unofficial motto is "it's never a war crime the first time."
And I promise, we DEFINITELY aren't gonna care who your draft-eligible kin voted for 👀
I mean, they're still going to be sending black & brown people to die trying, but they do seem ready to purge just about everyone who isn't a cishet dude
Oops, I mean... I'll very carefully question American soldiers about their county voting results as I'm waiting to be processed and shipped to a work camp in El Salvador. Wouldn't want to send the wrong message to a blue state resident.
They're part of the United States - the idea they'd be exempt somehow (when in actual fact they are actually the places where Canada can exert the best leverage in many instances) is naive.
Success for all will come from outsmarting and embarrassing trump, playing on his ego and vanity, not by overpowering the United States or hoping for rational change.
hey, just wanted to let you know that your president is threatening to disenfranchise or kill 40 million people through annexation and it's not our fuckin job to coddle the feelings of people whose party are doing precisely fuck all to stop it. oh and fuck yourself
Well, I understand that. I wish I could do something more, but I’m out of ideas. He is untouchable as long as he has political support. Gotta get his cult to admit they were wrong (and they aren’t known for being too bright).
Nope, you're the UNITED States of America. You collectively subjected the planet to Donald Trump and it's your collective responsibility to deal with him.
I’m just not sure how we can. Trump is untouchable. He is above the law. All we can do is point out how terrible he is until his own base gives up on him,..but they are basically a cult.
The Constitution is just a piece of paper if people aren't willing to defend it. If the courts and the law fails, the people need to stand up. Canada was on the beaches in Normandy with the United States, when democracy is on the line nothing is off the table.
Fwiw, an economist friend in Canada has studied the incidence of Canada's retaliatory tariffs. They are very surgical in targeting red and especially swing states.
Then do something. Take to the streets. This isn’t our damn fault. You remind me of Trump blaming Ukraine for the war. We owe Americans nothing, we’re in survival mode. Retaliatory measures are warranted when the most powerful nation on earth threatens our sovereignty & the world economy. #elbowsup
I’m just suggesting the retaliation needs to be better is all. For example, 60% of the oil we import is Canadian. Cut them off. Kick out the ambassadors. Sign treaties with Greenland.
Don’t bother threatening Minnesotans, who are practically diet Canadians already.
I do recall that the blackout which took down a quarter of the US originated in Canada and predominantly affected those states which historically are most democratic. Perhaps things have changed since.
'much less effective messaging' Can yankees even hear themselves? Your country is explicitly engaged in economic warfare to force Canada's annexation and extinguish our independent existence.
We left messaging behind a while ago. We're using the arrows in our quiver. Fix your own shit.
Nobody gives a fuck about your internal politics. All of the US is attacking my country. You should have done more if you didn't want your country perceived this way.
I feel that. It’s frustrating. What would you do to someone above the law? As long as he is untouchable, destroying his political support is the best option.
France was still using guillotines when the OG Star Wars came out, maybe learn some lessons about overthrowing Fascist Imperial Regimes from a long, long time ago... 1977
We absolutely don't give a shit. ALL the Americans are responsible for this fucking mess. The sooner you clean this mess the better the chance we accept you back again as decent country. But to be frank, that's very very unlikely at the moment.
We are past the point of pulling punches - people who voted Harris will sadly get caught in this but that’s your Presidents fault not the fault of Canadians who are taking sensible steps to punish the aggressor!
I live in a blue state - this isn’t so much a response on Canada’s part, as it is the consequence of us not fighting hard enough. There are plenty of Republican, third-party and non voters in blue states, so we’re just as responsible for this mess. We earned what’s happening.
Blue states should have convinced red states when they had the chance, not smugly declare themselves exempt from the bad outcomes of national policies.
Telling another country how to respond to unprovoked economic attacks is actually worse than condescending, first, and second, not sure if maybe this isn’t your native language, or you’re new to being online? But tone wise posts starting with “Hmm” read as VERY condescending across the board.
Just going to again suggest that you take some time offline to learn more about politics and specific topics you feel you want to engage in dialogue on, because you are coming across very poorly and the result is alienating the people you seem to want to communicate with
The democrats are doing bugger all to stop the shitstain. Some are acting against the few that are trying to do something. That makes them complicit. You get the democrats to get off their asses and do their job, and then we can talk.
How do we do that? He is above the law. Reinventing the constitution on a daily basis. Eroding support of conservatives is the only thing I can think of. What would you do?
Go yell at your republican neighbours. Trump is only above the law because the GOP in the house and senate give him cover. NY and MI have a lot of GOP reps.
Unfortunately this dickhead is the President of all of us. We, as a country, fumbled the bag hard. We didn't reach out to our friends and family, we didn't knock enough doors, we didn't do enough to convince people. So we must all suffer.
There is talk about putting up a referendum, but I just can’t see it happening.
Still, the very thought of it is so damning to this administration that maybe it will be a reality call.
They are a Sovereign Country and the US government is trying to fuck them. They are unconcerned who you voted for because democrats aren't challenging Republicans and we aren't their citizens. It's our collective fuck up. They are correct and rational in their retaliation.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize it as only a subset of states that launched the tariffs. We may philosophically agree more often with blue states, but you are still part of a country that is attacking us.
Counterpoint: hurting blue states that have high GDP that are more than likely blue is more effective against the US as a whole than taking swings at states like Arkansas or Wyoming that don’t have as high GDP
I’m afraid that there are the ones who get outraged call their senators and then there are the maga storming the capitol w/ bombs.
The violent side has few problems with democrats suffering. Start banning teslas, tossing out ambassadors, signing mutual protection treaties with Greenland.
I do love that Americans are getting their first taste of the “why don’t you simply overthrow your authoritarian government?” argument they’ve been tossing around for decades. Hopefully they now realize how silly they sounded all that time.
This is true. Our system was set up to not let this happen, but the rules presupposed a certain level of decency and respect for the preservation of democracy.
We are totally unprepared.
I mean this sincerely, I think it’s important that you take some time to get more politically informed and learn more about these things you are trying to engage with people in, because you don’t seem to understand and 1 you’ll really need to but also 2 people are going to eat you alive
Haven't seen many blue states standing up for us. Hell we had water bombers in the air in California when the tariffs were announced the first time and not a peep from the governor. Sounds like they are Fairweather friends at best.
Stop helping Trump sow division between Canadians and Americans. Most Americans support Canada. Newsom thanked Canadian and Mexican fire fighters to their faces in California. Trump wants Americans and Canadians fighting, it's how he justifies what he's doing. Stop blaming all Americans for Trump.
What did he say about the bullshit tariffs? The continuing threats to annex us? Americans need to clean their shit up and until then I am skeptical, cuz Canada keeps getting attacked and we are all out of politeness.
I'm Canadian and I'm pretty sure Trump would love nothing more than Canadians to blame all Americans for his Authoritarianism. It's not about politeness, it's about directing our anger to those that deserve it, not helping Trump instigate a complete collapse of our future living next to each other.
I’m standing with Canada, heck-there are lots of people talking about putting up a referendum to have entires states join with Canada.
I’m not sure if that will ever happen, but what a damning statement about trump’s leadership.
You’re completely entitled to your anger god knows but for what it’s worth? Most of us want you to boycott and retaliate - my electric is going to go up from this and I am still 100% behind you. It’s trumps fault and you have every right to respond to defend yourselves. I wish we could do more
Thank you for being our friends and neighbors for all these years. Thank you for sending firefighters to LA, for being in our corner back when we might have deserved it. I hope to god we turn this around and can be friends again, but I understand that we don’t deserve your friendship right now
Tariffs are, and always have been, a blunt tool. Theres going to be collateral damage, and us Americans collectively have failed. Those of us who didn’t vote for Trump still won’t be spared.
No, not really. He's going to take down the American economy, and he's going to cause damage globally, but thinking he can crash the whole globe is just more American exceptionalism.
Other countries are restructuring to not rely on the USA. They have to. And in the long term, this is good for them.
It might be good for the US too. Something about being a global hegemon for so long probably warps the perspective of its people and leads to dangerous levels of delusion and magical thinking.
There are levels of survival, but the level of restructuring you’re talking about is taking us back many decades, and frankly, puts China in charge, which is also…ehhh not great.
Outside of the USA, no, not decades. That's my point. Everywhere is going to hurt for a while, but America is going to discover an awful lot of its power was fragile. Is discovering. I'm not guessing, you know. The EU has been openly talking about this.
Am I to repeat myself? Fine-what could be a more damning a statement of trump’s abject failure than a significant number of blue states contemplating leaving the union and joining Canada against the assault on sovereignty, democracy, and global stability?
Why exactly do you think Canada should take you if you’re just gonna be equally feckless there + immigrate the way everyone else does. seriously enough with this pathetic shit
Adding blue states would make Canada about the most powerful country in the world, but preserving democracy, weakening fascism and hatemongering, and stabilizing the globe couldn’t hurt.
Lots of people voted for Trump in every state, and lots of people voted for Harris in every state. I live in a deep blue area in NYC and there's a huge Trump sign a block away.
Trump started a trade war and these are the consequences. The people most to blame are in Congress and the White House.
If you were actually arsed to look at the counter tariffs, you'll see the government is aiming as precisely as possible at red state goods like bourbon and Harleys, just like the last time we did this stupid dance. If that doesn't generate enough pressure, then, yes, the screws tighten
As a Californian, I invite the pain because being in a blue state shouldn't insulate us from the consequences of the orange fascist—if our friends Canada & Mexico are getting screwed, we deserve it, too. And his cult followers likely need to see some financial fallout for any of this to get fixed.
Neither is most of NYS, just NYC and some close environs...Purple or Red if you get far enough north and yes, caveat with prison gerrymanders and all the rest...sucks for all of us, so call your reps etc and tell them to get with it.
Blue state person here and agree, this is an us problem. I don't want to speak for all of Massachusetts, but I think many of us don't blame Canada at all. This is something *our* government has wrought and we will have to deal with the consequences.
Thanks. It’s nothing personal against Americans who voted against Trump. If we could only embargo Trump’s oligarchs, we’d do that. But when your federal gov’t attacks our country’s economy, we gotta respond.
Absolutely, which is why every response must be calculated, strong, and effective. Hurting trumps enemies is not as good as removing his political support.
It’s not only the red states that are putting tariffs on Canada; it is the entire U.S. federal government that is doing so. The federal government is in control of all the states. So in order to retaliate, Canada must tariff the entire U.S., not just some states.
I feel your frustration, but unfortunately this one guy has the ability to mess will most of the world economy and political stability. What happens in the White House affects Canada, but also Ukraine and so Poland and France.
We are locked in the same room with madmen.
It has been super disappointing. Sure, they vote against MAGA, but that’s about all. Not that it would matter-trump will likely start to Guantanamo any that cause too much trouble.
we were friends to you. your leader is hurting us with these tariffs and you have the nerve to lecture us that we're not being nice in the face of invasion threats?
We aren't doing it as a "message". Trump started a trade war with not just all of Canada but basically the world, and you are already helping him by blaming Canada for responding in kind. Americans now live in a RED dictatorship. Trumps "messaging" to all of Canada is why this is happening.
We, the US, have been happy to kill citizens of enemy regimes without distinction as to whether those citizens actually supported the regime. I don’t think we have a moral basis for requesting that level of care from countries fighting our own regime.
How's this? None of those kids in Gaza deserved to be blown up by US bombs but the US still kept sending them to Israel to "deal with Hamas". The US is notorious for not giving a shit about collateral damage in other countries. It's utter arrogance to expect your victims to be nice in return.
I live in a "blue state" and candidly do not wish to be begging Canadians to hold back from what they need to do to respond to this unprecedented and disgusting act of aggression and insults from Trump.
While I wish things were different it's clear Americans don't appreciate the democracy we have.
I do encourage you to call your blue state representatives and register your intense dissatisfaction with what is happening. Not enough of them appreciate the gravity of the insult we are collectively committing through Trump.
You know that international trade doesn’t operate on the basis of internal state borders, right? We’re also not interested in “messaging to American voters” or whatever the fuck, they don’t vote for our leaders, we’re just protecting our economic stability.
This is a manufactured unnecessary trade war. Trump's getting an earful from every single industry. That's why he's already buckling in less than 24 hours and is already making concessions. It will all be over shortly. Just let him pretend that he won something and life will go on as usual for now.
You do know that Canada is another country and you don't vote for Canada right? That they don't have to win over US voters or specific US states? That trade arrangements between countries are at a national level?
Yeah actually we're not super worried about our approval among democrats at the moment? Your government is directly attacking our economy and your democratic senators aren't protesting too hard.
So, maybe give your reps a call and tell them to sack up?
There are no 100% blue states. I can't think of anything more effective than hurting Trump voters anywhere they are found, as the only way this ends is if they get vocal and let their reps know they will be voted out if they continue to support these destructive policies.
Yeah fuck off you hoser. I'm american as apple pie. We had ten years to stop this. No one listened to people like me. So no. Fuck right off. Punish all of America including me. Get it all over with. I've got shit to do later on in life. Not a slow burn to hell. Fuck it. Punish America hard.
Countries are a collective entity! As the saying goes "Every country has the government it deserves." You will be attributed your government whether you support them or not. This happens with brutal dictatorships, it will also happen when the guy in charge won the popular vote!
Blue states need to know that they should direct their ire where it belongs and clean up your own fucking house before blaming their neighbours for responding to the USA government.
The comment you’re responding to is plainly arguing that hurting blue states is not going to protect or benefit its citizens. Trump and Congressional Republicans view that as an unmitigated win, and it incentivizes them to further harm Canadians.
Canada is fully aware of US politics. It is trying to focus retaliation on red states, through targeted tariffs and product removals. But it is not possible to 100% limit the damage to only red states. There will be collateral damage.
Blame him, loudly. Use derisive language, because that gets to his ear more than anything. He is a loser at business. He has the worst people.
He is bad for the economy. He is owned by Russia.
Threatened? Parts of America are contemplating breaking off and joining Canada! Nothing could be more of a damning statement about this administration.
That doesn't mean that Trump is currently threatening our sovereignty! Canadians don't want non MAGA morons to suffer but what else can we do? We need to stand up to the bully and that might have broader impacts, similar to when countries apply sanctions...
One of your elected representatives was tv today insinuating the next step would be to bomb us. Fox news, that evil propaganda network that your country has allowed to exist for decades has said multiple times since Trump 1 that your country needs to invade Canada & set us free from our PM.
That doesn't change what the President of the United States of America has said and is still saying. Constantly talking about making us and calling us the 51st state.
That is fucking threat.
It's a threat whether you, and others, support him or not. He launches the nukes, he has the military.
Oh the « messaging » portion of this party is done. I suggest you deal with the root cause of this problem on your side of the fence before telling Canada what to do.
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He's got no problem with tariffing food and lumber and aluminum and steel. So fuck'em.
Get a grip. A trade war hurts everyone, by definition.
He will be the Great Uniter..just not in the way he expected.
And I promise, we DEFINITELY aren't gonna care who your draft-eligible kin voted for 👀
Hurting them needs to be the priority.
What harm is "opposition" doing to the United States as of right now?
Are they continuing to fund the US war machine with their tax income? Are citizens from those states refusing military service?
Until this "Opposition" actually delivers something tangible in terms of weakening the US govt then I see no reason to take it easy on them.
I guess “let’s take some time to contemplate and reflect” went in one ear and out the other.
You should get that given how fucking indiscriminate you are when applying tariffs, killing Palestinians, etc…
It is bonkers how dumb this is.
these mfrs need to touch the stove and we all know this is trumps fault
Shooting the hostage can only get you so far.
I say this as a person in MI already paying way too damn much for electricity
Our retalitory actions will go away when Trump's tariffs go away.
Don’t bother threatening Minnesotans, who are practically diet Canadians already.
If they feel no pain, there is no push back.
This is pretty obvious.
Our job is to be sure MN Republican voters understand WHY their electric bill will soar.
Farmers need to know Trump f*ked them not just on their exports, but on the cost of production, too.
We left messaging behind a while ago. We're using the arrows in our quiver. Fix your own shit.
Donald started the fight, whine at him.
Deservedly so.
It is understandable, but also misdirected.
Gotta own it.
Still, the very thought of it is so damning to this administration that maybe it will be a reality call.
Maybe being too broke to pay for electricity might get some of you folks to stand up to your president and put that second amendment to task
The violent side has few problems with democrats suffering. Start banning teslas, tossing out ambassadors, signing mutual protection treaties with Greenland.
Why do you think Canada cares if they "suffer" alongside your neo-Nazi leaders?
We are totally unprepared.
I’m not sure if that will ever happen, but what a damning statement about trump’s leadership.
Other countries are restructuring to not rely on the USA. They have to. And in the long term, this is good for them.
Not sure about 'in charge', though. Again that's the strictly American perspective. China's foreign policy works differently than that.
Let’s keep that directed at the right people.
Go For It, Canada! We'll understand.
Trump started a trade war and these are the consequences. The people most to blame are in Congress and the White House.
and michigan isn’t a blue state. be glad it’s a tariff and not an embargo
This is not hard to understand
We are locked in the same room with madmen.
Not one guy
The whole empire needs to come down
That very much includes the blue variant of empire
I don’t blame them one bit.
get bent, bradley.
-a canadian
While I wish things were different it's clear Americans don't appreciate the democracy we have.
But it can! And it has started to happen, specifically targeting Telsa and starlink for example.
Hmmm not sure I can agree with that, but I get your frustration.
Time will tell.
So, maybe give your reps a call and tell them to sack up?
i'm not saying you should immediately start a maidan equivalent, but, mate, some people know how to fight for their freedom. look at them and learn.
this is not something anyone can do for you.
The answer is we gave him and his cronies hundreds of millions of dollars in 96 to beat his left wing political opponents.
Maybe instead of getting mad at Canada, you should be mad at Trump?
He is bad for the economy. He is owned by Russia.
Is that a big problem? Nope.
We didn't start this. A year ago we were getting along fine with Sleepy Joe. We can't fix this for you and our sovereignty has been threatened.
The gloves are off.
That is fucking threat.
It's a threat whether you, and others, support him or not. He launches the nukes, he has the military.
and since when is it Canada's responsibility to campaign for the democratic party of the USA?