It’s hard to grasp the level of self-deception it takes to vote third-party, claim “both parties are the same,” and then watch a President strip away due process and crash $10 trillion off the global economy—only to still sleep soundly at night.
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I really do not want to constantly talk politics on my account but you are absolutely fucking correct
I get it, trust me I fucking get it
the Dems aren't doing shit about Palenstine, which they fucking need to
but to 1) act like the Republicans were ever gonna do anything either
2) pretend that-
voting third party, something that historically never works
3) justify doing #2 by saying said third parties had intentions of freeing Palenstine (which in the case of Jill Stein specifically is false)
and 4) ignore the fact that, yes, while neither party are beneficial to the massive issue-
overseas (seriously free 🇵🇸), one party is 200% more detrimental to us domestically as WELL as being a threat to foreign affairs, all so you can take the high road and feel justified by letting that fruity fuck win
They're Ernst Thälmann fans. They want Trump to blow up everything for the same reason they wanted Bush to blow up everything in 2000: they think they will finally get the revolution they want.
And they get really mad when you point out their hypocrisy:
👏👏👏
I had this argument too many times. I would love to vote for a good, viable third party. But there currently are no legitimate candidates. The ones on the ballot are spoiler candidates being funded by Republicans who do nothing for their party to further it.
It's not a voter's obligation to vote for anyone that isn't their choice... it's the party's responsibility to attract voters, with their actions... don't blame voters for the results of a party doing nothing for the people...
This has been my mantra for a lot of things, including elections since I heard it. It perfectly encapsulates what the 2000 election taught me at 16 years old.
Ah yes, the "but you don't have a yellow ribbon magnet on the rear bumper of your vehicle which means you must not be patriotic" crowd. Bass fiddles are also being left out.
Nah, you just make it obvious. All you centrists do. The ones who scream the loudest about "the anti-genocide leftists" and who choose to show support by adding flags to their bios NEVER include a Palestinian flag. Why is that?
i am registered independent and vote blue. But some of us saw this coming since reagan, and the dems embraced reaganonics with gusto and here we are. the parties are different, but the leadership of both are oligarch driven. end citizens united. unleash the young dems from the old guard's yoke.
Some of these Purity Ponies have been proudly refusing to vote for “the lesser of two evils” since Ralph Nader helped nudge us onto this road. But they know they’re not responsible in any way. Human nature; we’re the only suicidal species I know of.
They feel so self righteous to say they’re above all the politics of left and right. Pushing for third parties and different candidates is for the primaries. You can’t abstain from the two party system in general elections without hurting the causes you care about.
It's not left vs right. Its ruling class vs working class. Both parties ultimately serve the former over the latter in every meaningful way. Cop cities tax breaks for the rich. War, genocide, the bipartisan list goes on.
They’re both terrible on several fronts. That’s fair to say. However, in no way are they bipartisan on all issues. Research funding and the general attempt at more equitable practices would still exist with a different election outcome. Money needs to be rooted out of politics.
That's true but what good is scientific advancement if big pharma can use publicly funded research and charge Americans into bankruptcy for life saving meds and services? No other country is like this and Dems abandoned universal health care in the most important election. Why do dems like to lose?
You are blaming the wrong people: thoughtful citizens should vote for whoever they think most represents their values and priorities--just like joining demonstrations or protests. Voters are not the problem: in a system based on the principles of democracy, people who do not vote are the problem.
I’m a lifetime unaffiliated Independent voter. I vote across all parties for the best candidate, but when it comes to high stakes elections where a 3rd party is a “spoiler”, I ALWAYS choose the “best” of the 2 most likely candidates. I’m a strong advocate for ARC voting to end the spoiler effect!
I do the same thing. I warned my son about RFK Jr. I wasn't 100% pleased with Harris, but she got my vote. TikTok heavily played a part in propaganda in this election.
This is one of several groups who promote ARC voting. ARC voting is not without some concerns so it is good to get various opinions on not only ARC voting, but on the various types of ARC voting, and to be aware of both benefits and concerns.
Automatic Ranked Choice Voting. There’s various versions & methods in use in several local & state elections already. The biggest benefit of ARC is it negates the spoiler effect of 3rd party candidates, which opens the field up for MORE diverse candidates to challenge the status quo w/o spoil risk.👇🏻
If you voted third party you don't know if your state is close or not until after the election so you were willing to take the chance. Does it make sense to vote for someone hoping that they don't win your state?
They’re not the same, which only makes democrat’s centrism and capitulation even more pathetic (this is coming from someone who begrudgingly voted blue for my whole ballot)
One member of that panel of 5 dopes The NY Times keeps checking in with absolved himself from any consequences by saying, basically, “Don’t blame me, I voted for Jill Stein”
😡😤😖🤬
Somehow even worse than voting for TFG
It's been right wing propaganda for decades that people can't trust politicians, that they're all corrupt, that government is useless, that benefits you pay for yourself are somehow evil. We're now living with the result of that lie. Americans have been suckered into daily drudgery for the rich.
Knew someone who voted Solidarity. And get it. Catholic. Boo abortion. (let's look at exactly zero of the economic reasons (& sure there is more to it than that but)- people might get them ope no let's not do that).
Was way more socialist than I will ever be BUT. Yes.
That vote = Trump
Both parties vote for cop cities, war, genocide, and keeping Healthcare unaffordable. We lost a roe under Biden and he did fuck all about it. It's unrealistic to keep a dem president indefinitely with these policy choices. What are Dems doing to resist this, genuinely asking?
That's the problem. They aren't an opposition party. Biden even said he wants a strong republican party. That's a really weird thing to say for the leader of an opposition party.
He's not human. He's completely without conscience. That's how he does it. Also, his brain is wired differently: he gets dopamine hits from breaking societal rules and norms.
What was the party of the man who refused to appoint an AG who would prosecute those involved in the first coup? Talk is cheap and the last dem administration cost everything.
Haven't voted 3rd party since Trump started running for President. Knew he was an ass from his TV shows. Knew I didn't want him as president and wasn't going to take any chances. Wish others would have done the same.
I love how they all either didn’t vote, or voted Jill Stein who really spent all her time attacking Harris and actually embracing Trump. But sure, bOtH are ThE sAmE. Then they come in here and act like they have the moral high ground because they slept well on election night. 🙄
I voted for Kamala. That said, it was not third-party voters who are responsible for this mess. Things are not as they appear. Fleon, Star Link, and hacked Vote Tabulators got us here. https://electiontruthalliance.org
There was definitely interference. I live in Chicago and had to re-register. My registration couldn't be found in spite of active voting, no name or address change. I suspected there'd be games, and I'm glad I checked it early enough to remedy.
I saw someone post TODAY, TO-DAY that they are still proud to have not voted for Kamala over Gaza and I just hid the post. Sometimes people are so proud, they forget what comes before a fall and it's not just August.
Yes, one of the main differences between 2020 and 2024 is that Trump urged all his followers to vote. In 2020, many on the right were deluded into thinking a boycott would de-legitimize the election, and then they planned the 6 Jan takeover. They changed tactics when that failed. Democrats did not.
I've been telling anyone and everyone, the Liberals and NDP in Canada need a MAJOR Get-out-the-Vote campaign for the upcoming federal election or they'll repeat what happened in the local Provincial election, less than 50% of the electorate voted and in a low voter turnout, conservatives win.
What an eagerly myopic view. Why are you so happy to blame Trump on voters that can't abet a genocide, abandonment of real public healthcare, or any of the other myriad failures of the Dems to gain popular traction? Why not demand better from the Dems as a party? You're a stupid asshole.
I block and move along. These people doomed both us and the Palestinians. They achieved nothing and did harm to the entire world. They failed on multiple fronts.
The human capacity for self deception should never be underestimated.... but our ignorance and lack of information and civil literacy is so profound that in this case self-deception can be considered a 2nd order effect.
The issue is that both parties worked together to bring forth empire collapse and environmental destruction and exploitation of the global community and citizens domestically (i.e., health insurance being a massive scam leading to deaths and poverty). The US has ways been parasitic like that.
Imo a revolution has been brewing long before Trump took power. Books from the 00s predicted a rise in a demagogue like Trump because of empire collapse trends and the focus on shareholders and lobbying over citizens voices and needs.
America lessered of two eviled itself into normalizing evil.
It's hard to blame the voters when you see the pattern of moral decay within the empire. It's easy to blame the voters when you ignore the decades of wtf leading up to this election.
Wishing the US a swift recovery. But you guys really need to start listening to voters over lobbyists. 🤷♀️
As a Canadian, it all makes sense how this unfolded. It was predicted. I knew it was coming since the book Empire of Illusions in 2009. The fact this was predicted speaks volumes to the lack of accountability and awareness of dem leaning administrations. It's sad. But this was predictable.
Trump wouldn't exist today as president if America put citizens first. It just never has. It put profit first and designed a world order that is exploitation based. It's normal for people to lose faith in the system and stop voting when there is an active genocide being funded.
People needed to care for decades what was happening to citizens in the US. It's too late now. If you weren't criticizing every administration and their apathy toward domestic issues and destabilizing the global south, then it's selective moral outrage. Now it affects you.
To the point a significant portion of the US population didn't even see this coming for themselves. If previous administrations had focused on education, there wouldn't be such a lack of media literacy. They benefitted from a poorly educated and easy to manipulate population. Trump exploited this.
What we should focus on is the number of people not voting at all and why they might not support a candidate that's OK with genocide and siding with republicans over popular much needed policies that could help everyone. Centrism is the door stop for fascism.
How many always stay home? Making the best choice from your available options is what smart people do. Selfish people enable dictators and virtue signal about it, like you did
The ones enabling dictators and virtue signaling are Dems. 30 Dems voted to arm Israel's genocide including booker after his 25 hour performance. Schumer could have leveraged the spending bill but pushed it through with nothing to show for it. No impeachment process yet either.
Nice try, but the facts prove you wrong. You are personally responsible for everyone trump harms. Dems ain’t great, but that is no excuse for you enabling fascism
By the way, Democrats can't earn your vote while Republicans have control of the federal government, so again I reiterate that if you want Democrats to do good things, you have to vote for them first.
They absolutely can earn it. That's what campaigning is! They've held power plenty of times without advancing any significant agenda. Where is universal Healthcare? Student loan forgiveness? Women's rights law? Instead they campaigned as if it was G.W.Bush's 3rd term.
The Democratic party has provided healthcare to more than 20 million Americans since 2009, Joe Biden capped insulin payouts, forgave $178 billion in student debt, paid off $30 billion in union debt, and invested $400 billion in renewable energy.
If more people had put pressure on Biden/Harris over stopping Netanyahus genocide, perhaps theyd have changed their position, and perhaps they couldve won.
No, I don't think the people voting for Trump were voting for their country or their countrymen's safety, I don't think they care about anyone or anything, and I know the people who stayed home don't care, that's why it's important for all of us to vote for the greater good, no one else is going to.
To clarify my question:
1. I did not vote for Stein
2. I abhor Netanyahu’s continued genocide and the U.S. congress for enabling him, including under the Biden admin, also evidently with further support from Harris had she won
3. My question was sarcastic in nature
I’ve been asking this for 3 freaking months and I ask the third party voters. They don’t seem to know either. Last I heard, she was posting on IG. Not doing anything else. Just posting. Not even another staged photo op arrest.
That's the part you're missing. We fight for Gaza just as hard as we fight for every marginalized and threatened people. Being against genocide isn't a movement; it's called being human.
Millions of people all over the world protested for months - Dems chose to ignore those voices, even the millions coming from their own voters. THEY are the ones who don't care about you or anything you care about. Just look at who they continue to throw under the bus.
No. You don’t. And it’s a movement when the goal was never about stopping genocide or else you wouldn’t have chosen to go for or accept the candidate who said he would accelerate the genocide and so far is doing just that.
Both parties do serve the same corporate interests, fund the same wars, prop up the same racist policing and carceral systems. One does it loudly, the other with a smile. Voting third-party is one tool—another is reclaiming the Dems by purging liberals and centrists for a real left party.
I agree that party leaders need to change. My point is that we are better off voting blue, but that doesn’t negate the need to push these leaders way more to the left. Clearly, Kamala would have been better for us but not the end all be all.
For sure, my first time voting at 30 was against Trump (Clinton) not b/c I wasn’t politically aware and active, but b/c I didn’t support the Dem platform.
I’m terrified of what TFG might do beyond the cavalcade of horrors already unleashed. So yes, I’ll vote D till he’s gone.
You haven't read any actual history of US politics, I can tell because you seem to think there was a time when there was a far left political movement centered on the Democratic Party.
You tell third party voters this and they’re all yeah but the system has to change. Agreed. But you have to pick your fights when and where it makes sense. Putting this man in again made the opposite of sense.
I think you all misunderstand those of us who recognize billionaire money in the hands of a Dem is no different from billionaire money in the hands of a Rep.
It has the same corrupting influence, whether you want to believe it or not.
We, the people have no representation if money is involved.
Voter suppression brought Trump the election win. To begin with, over 30 states enacted restrictive election laws, 2021- 2024. Plus, gerrymandering, vigilante bomb threats, trashed mail-in votes, and removal of ballot drop boxes contributed. Check the numbers: https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/
Lets be real though, division politics needs to ended and the choice between lesser evils only allows for moving goal posts in an ever ratcheting to the right system. The democratic party failed its own again for this past election just like in 2016. The two party system needs to end regardless.
The independent voters, non voters and MAGAs all have the same blood on their hands and responsibility for everything the felon does, everyone he hurts and everyone who dies by his idiotic actions.
Jill Stein will never be anything but a spoiler. Purity test Democrats bear a large part of the responsibility for this mess. Sympathetic as I am to Green politics, I live in the real world. Can’t change anything fully marginalized and excluded.
People who think Biden was responsible for Bibi's actions and couldn't remember the Trump literally wanted to nuke Gaza and had to be distracted to keep it from happening are far removed from reality.
More Dems should be shouting off the rooftops about Republican NO ROGUE RULINGS ACT!
Contact your reps to vote NO on the NO ROGUE RULINGS ACT (NORRA)! Republicans seek to limit to power of the judiciary to impose injunctions in Trump’s illegal EOs & policies
THANK YOU! I wonder how the 3rd party purity protest non-voters & those who swung for Trump are feeling about their decision in light of so much suffering?
AND THEN delude themselves into thinking she would have been worse!
I seriously underestimate the ego of the average human. Unable to accept wrong , deflecting the pain into a lie. Literally the same mental mechanics MAGA uses.
I will fight you on it. Your protest was a sham, you were lied to.
I get that it is comforting to believe that, but you are absolutely wrong and you are in effect a trump voter. That is reality, sorry you failed the test and enabled the worst administration in history. Everyone trump harms is your fault 💯
I marked my ballot and it wasn't for Trumps name. So idk what to tell you. And as a person who lives in an overwhelmingly blue state, which sent ALL its electors to Harris, my vote actually didn't matter one bit.
If you are too young to remember the Iraq war this guy is trying to lie to you to run cover for republicans. The main sellers of the Iraq war were cons, W Bush, Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld, Condi Rice, Powell. It was a big right wing push and anyone not on board was labeled a "terrorist sympathizer"
I've spoken to *several* people who weep and wail about the state of things under Trump.
I sigh and say, "Well, at least we did our part, and voted Kamala".
They then kinda look away.
I say, "YOU DIDN'T!"
They fucking did. WAYYYYY too many people.
(Some didn't vote 3rd, they sat it out.) 🙄
Wow you assholes are still on this as if that's what happened, no nuance, no consideration of the reasons Trump really got it, blame it on 3rd parties and people who want to escape this controlled opposition government. Stoke infighting instead of contribute to resistance. How do you sleep at night?
Me, after engaging in psychological warfare over the last nine years, managing to convert my parents from Republicans to independents voting Dem, but still occasionally having it out with my Dad over the whole "both parties" concept in a time where the difference could not be more clear
Fuck your “knowing better” that screwed the entire country/world over. I see that your pride and privilege protect you but YOU are partially responsible for everything that follows. You crashed the market. You helped people be deported. You stripped us of due process.
Nah... try again. The fucking problem was a system where the choice was fascism or corporation.
That amounts to the same for the working class. neither side gives a fuck about us, and if we vote for someone who does were the fucking problem? Really? Fuck yourself.
Remember that when your grandmother is starving on the streets. Who enacted social security and who is dismembering it? You are responsible for trumps victory. Whatever happens it is your fault
That’s reality, child. Sorry, I geyser you can feel like you accomplished something when the next woman dies from not having access to reproductive care.
Again, you are worse than maga because you voted to virtue signal rather than help. You are truly a coward and a hypocrite.
I agree that the problem is it being fascism vs corporation, but you chose something that wasn’t even an option. Corporation is ABSOLUTELY better than fascism. God that is such an awful take. If you want a realistic third option the presidential race isn’t the place to do that!
Blue maga has hijacked our party and country. They are holding us hostage and burning everything down until Bernie is president. Nothing against him but I’m from a red state and he’ll never be President. They are self righteous aholes who don’t care about anyone but themselves. Sound familiar?
Now,I’m no culture maven,not even to be considered expert; & I don’t claim prowess in these situations.But even I know picking fights & trying to take down today’s world economy; era of economic geopolitics ushered in by American enterprises;is not going to end well for MAGA and their dear leader!!
Yeah, it's not so much that both parties are the same. It's just that both parties have their own flaws and weaknesses, with some overlap in a few areas. But, of course, the Republican Party is infinitely more evil and destructive than the Democratic Party.
Says the American who deceives themselves into thinking their status quo vote isn't harmful to millions of people, but hey--at least it saves YOUR ASS, right?
Maybe if you cared about the harm your votes do, you would have demanded better from your politicians.and you wouldn't be in this mess. 1/2.
I have an endless well of anger for these ‘voters’. My parents, a dear friend of 40 years. I have drastically reduced interaction with my parents and I’ve ended the relationship with my former friend. I begged them to vote to prevent his return. They did not.
watching the dems do nothing and crying that you wish they were in power is weird to me. maybe if they start fighting like their private investments are on the line
Do you think Kamala would have effectively utilized girl power in her ironclad support of Israeli firebombing of medical tents in Palestinian refugee tents?
You will never know. We do know that you are on the trump list to deport you. We told you so, now you get to look over your shoulder 24/7 until it happens. Good luck.
Yeah I already know I'm on lists. As are my trans friends Kopmala refused to defend in favor of angels like Dick Cheney. I can practically feel your smug schadenfreude through the screen. Typical liberal. When ICE comes to our respective doors, we will not fare the same. Godspeed, genocide apologist
The combo of 3rd party voters and non-voters/protest no-voters would e allowed her to win. Let’s not pretend like the people who opted to stay home don’t have a hand in this.
I have plenty of criticisms of various factions within the Democratic Party, but I would rather deal with another 15 or 20 Joe Machins or Kirsten Sinemas than any sitting Republican Senator.
They abdicated their power to the most hateful, idiotic, and malignant stooge they could've chosen.
It’s appalling, you’d have to wonder why people vote to leave themselves worse off:
Xenophobia and racism are powerful catalysts for stupidity.
The apathy of abstainers is a wonder to behold.
One could argue that voting for a party that fueled a genocide as cowardice. One could argue that continuing to vote uncritically for a Dem party that has done the utter minimum for the working class as cowardice.
It’s not that both parties are the same—it’s that the system they are part of is fundamentally anti worker, anti progress, anti equity. Liberal and conservative capitalists are still capitalists, and capitalism requires a forcibly uneducated poverty class to operate.
Cowardice is not allowing yourself to imagine a system in which this choice between two halves of the same capitalist imperial coin is not the only option. Cowardice is not holding yourself and your party to moral consistency. The cowardice of the center left led us here as the right applauds.
They're not the same.
The choice was between an Authoritarian regime or Oligarchy and Oligarchs got slightly more money from Industry and billionaires than the GOP.
In this country and time we're living in, it's only right or wrong. Indendents need more people. That's the problem. If they could get a popular candidate, maybe.
Genocide under Biden was stable, it's entirely possible Trump will destroy this country and stop our participation in genocide. You're selfish and spoiled.
The entire country is cooked btw because some people didn’t realize the stand they were making was a tactical error and now they have failed on 2 fronts. Gaza is still under siege AND we as Americans are losing rights that will make it hard to advocate for anything. It was a dumb move:
But you will have participated in killing people here. Why are lives in Gaza worth more than the lives of those being sent to El Salvador? Why are the lives in Gaza worth more than the tens of thousands that were saved by USAID which no longer exists?
Yeah… weird flex for them. Not sure what moral high ground they thought they were standing on. They screwed Gazans and Americans. Americans didn’t matter to them and their actions didn’t help Gaza.
No, the genocide just comes here. You don’t think that they want to kill immigrants here? Look at where they are sending them. For God’s sake Mississippi introduced a bill (which failed for now) to make capital punishment the result of illegal immigration.
At an extremist enough angle, any opposing movements can look the same. Even if one party overturns the world economy, dismantles democracy, turns the country into a rape camp and lynches immigrants and the other one does not. It's a matter of losing perspective.
They are essentially both the same. The real power behind your country doesn't particularly care what Trump is doing. So he's hurting Americans. Pfft. The last administration supplied bombs to burn alive women and children by the thousand. They're all ghouls.
The most recent MOU was authorized by Congress in 2016 commits the USA to provide aid to Israel thru 2028. The POTUS doesn't have the authority to stop an act of Congress. However, they can pause deliveries under certain conditions, and the last administration did so.
3rd party votes wouldn't have affected the outcome at all. 'did not vote' won the election. 4 decades running... Election reform and degerrymandering are the only hope. Not running conservative prosecutors against a populist. The election played out on poll margins.
Take a close look at Michigan results. If 3rd party voters had voted for Kamala instead, she would've won the state. I'm sure other swing states show similar results.
Those that stayed home are also a huge problem.
Even better, they get to come online and lecture us that Kamala losing was really her fault for not building her whole campaign about the one micro issue they have decided to build their whole identity around.
Yup. The rule when dealing with Nazis is that you rally around anyone who is fighting them and sort your differences out after the master race is safely deposited back in its toilet
Jill Stein was paid by Russia…. All the 3rd party activities were paid by Repugs and Russia.
So by Not voting or voting for 3rd party shills, you’re in effect voting for trump….
Yes, they did. Young impression minds bought into the TikTok bullshit AND THEY STAYED HOME. Gen Z was with us, until they were talked into the idea that Kamala Harris is a genocide apologist.
If every third party voter voted for your candidate you still would have lost maybe reflect on that for a bit. Maybe reflect on why so many people stayed home. But you're not going to do that because you don't think you guys ever do anything wrong.
AFP FACT CHECK: Online posts claiming Harris would have won several key states if not for 3rd party voters misrepresent available data. Totals show that even with all the non-Trump votes in the 7 biggest battlegrounds, Harris would not have secured an Electoral College win.
Yes. DNC has “raze an entire country to make a resort”, they also backed “start a war based on made up shit”, they definitely wanted to get rid of Medicare and Medicare and absolutely hate social safety nets.
You are incredibly unserious
Of course standing ankle deep in shit is, undeniably, better than standing knee deep in shit but it all begs the question; Why are we standing in shit when there is an option to stand on the clean ground?
It's just as hard to grasp that this system is built by two sides by design. Saying "I'm voting for the lesser of two evils" is just as self-deceptive. Trump wasn't elected. SCOTUS gave Biden immunity and he wrote an essay for us. Both sides are the same.
The problem is that this propaganda convinced would-be Democrats to sit out in protest.
The whole “Kamala Harris is a genocide apologist” bullshit all over TikTok and Instagram… Many Gen Z and Millennials stayed home to protest or voted third-party because “I need to vote my conscience.”
Your vote isn’t just about you, it’s about preventing harm to your fellow citizens. Knowing Trump would be no better (and he’s far worse) on Gaza, folks who didn’t vote to stop him threw everyone else - especially the most vulnerable - under the bus to make a point.
Worse is to claim that one is an ally to (fill in the name of some disaffected group) and then voting third party. I come across a LOT of those types on this site. Way more than I have anywhere else.
Some leftist people still can't seem to tell the difference between the Biden Administration and what we have now in the second Trump regime. They call us blue Maga for having voted for Kamala even though most of us were also against Biden's Gaza policy. I guess Bernie Sanders is blue Maga.
Leftists like me use “Blue MAGA” to describe those who defend Biden or Harris no matter what—despite their support for wars, corporate interests, and oppressive systems. It’s not about false equivalence with Trump, it’s about calling out liberal complicity in real harm.
The Biden admin worked to negotiate a ceasefire. The Trump admin encouraged Israel to break it.
"Gaza" was a very bad reason not to vote for Harris. Trump is going to be far worse for the people of Gaza than Harris would have been.
More than donors. I think the Dems made the assessment that they would lose more votes if support for Israel softened than if they maintained the status quo.
Well, they've been continuing on the same track for years, and losing. Maybe it's time to do something different.
Plus, I really don't want to live in a country where a candidate doesn't feel safe to say "We will not aid in bombing hospitals, killing civilians, aid workers, and the theft of homes."
Re: the picture.
The exact opposite is what happens if you always vote. Look at what the GOP has done with abortion. They voted for "the lesser of two evils" for decades to slowly errode abortion. Withholding votes teaches politicians you are unreliable, and the policies you want can be ignored.
Jill stein will just resurface and collect some cash again then sabotage but well hey Trump said we won’t vote anymore so I guess she is out? Where is she going to cash in. She is a horrible person Green Party has done nothing. They are spa polished up oligarch party ripping everyone off.
Binary choices are never good. The argument for never voting 3rd party assumes one of the 2 choices will allways be acceptable. One day both choices may be so odious third party is your only option. Election reform allowing dilution of power and voter choice should be a plank of the democratic party
I don't think anyone is against a 3rd party. But I am against "3rd partiers" using some weird notion of guilt to demand we all join them, when they refuse to do the actual work of building a 3rd party. Strategy should've dictated you vote in the "weak" Dems and then work to build relevance. Not this
Listen to the way you are talking. Yes. You are trying to cudgel people to your side with guilt. I am impervious, you have lost all credibility because of it too. You sided with Chump. You killed the Gazans. Live with that. Because if it wasn't for your false pride, Gaza wouldn't be a golf course.
Listen to the way YOU are talking. You might as well say "see you in the camps." Asking people not to support genocide is "cudgeling" them? Wow. You people are something else. YOU KILLED GAZANS. ZIONISTS KILLED GAZANS. BIDEN KILLED GAZANS. HARRIS KILLED GAZANS. God help you.
What strategy is there for 3rd parties to build relevance other than providing a platform people want to vote for and siphoning votes from the dominant parties?
That's not what they are doing though. The only time we hear of the Green Party, Libertarian, or any other 3rd party is every four years. Never at local. Never. Where is Jill Stein? Has she run in any major city, ever? Any Libertarians? You think a 3rd party could build relevance now in this circus?
Most politicians in the US gravitate to the big tent parties since it's the only way to get the media attention and funding needed to get elected. There have been politicans not aligned with these parties that got elected or at least ran both at the local and national level.
The ones that make it easier and fairer to vote, then the voters can do the rest.
Here are the provisions for public matching funds for Congressional elections, it would help lesser known candidates get a foothold against bigger opponents.
This helps but it's not fundamental change. In most democracies your vote is not at high risk of irrelevance if you don't vote strategic, rather it allows for minority representation.
Change takes time. First you take one step forward, then the next, that's how progress happens, you can't skip straight to the end without doing the work.
The For the People Act would have helped third party candidates get a foothold that they don't have right now, that's how progress happens.
And, just like in triage, you have to stop the bleeding before you go about the corrective procedure. Trumpy is the bleeding.
If anyone has to agonize over whether to vote against the Nazi asking for 5000 nuclear weapons because the dem party planks are underwhelming, well…now you don’t have a BoR
Harris supports a two-state solution. When principled stance against Gaza genocide doesn't help Gaza but ruins Gaza AND triggers lawless oppression, economic collapse, snatching citizens off the street in one's own country, nonvoters cutting off their nose to spite their face is inherently idiotic.
1. Of course Netanyahu is to blame. But the US sends the necessary weapons.
2. This genocide has been going on for 17 months.
3. The Biden/Harris administration facilitated this genocide and as thousands were being slaughtered said they supported Israel. Harris said that. She is morally bankrupt.
Do you think part of supporting a "two-state solution" is to veto an international vote to make the occupied territories into a formal state? That's what the Biden administration did a year ago. Harris inherited that rich legacy of support, for better or worse.
Imagine being the relevant word as they hold their nose and abstain or vote for the orange felon with their principle intact, folks with imaginary principles.
Principled stance against genocide.
So on one hand there’s the guy bringing together parties on four continents to end the conflict, while literally building a port to ferry in aid.
And the one who says, “hurry up and finish, I wanna build a paradise without these people.”
You spelled pathetic wrong
OMG I love it!!
Biden spends $250M to feed Palestinian children = Genocide fanboy
Biden brings about the ceasefire that everyone wanted but since Bibi resumed airstrikes, Biden is a douche
You fair weather assholes will never ever accept anything but misery
The entire port project you are crowing about brought in ~1/5th of ONE day's worth of Palestinian needs in Gaza, & was created because USA's ally occupies the land crossings & has starved people in the territory.
Why would Israel bomb after Biden's ceasefire & after all the bombs we sent them?
My goodness, hasn’t the principled voter done well for themselves, pushing out Harris to allow a full genocidal maniac destroy any hope of a peace in Gaza and rhe OPW.
Whether abstaining or voting for somebody who hasn’t a hope will have the same outcome.
You'd rather hang out with MAGA voters than people horrified by children's limbs being blown off by American bombs. You proudly, openly think Trump voters are smarter and better than people opposed to every war. That's fucking disgusting, Kevin.
No, that’s an unfair interpretation of my perspective. I think maga is ten times worse, given tramp’s actions since election I think the Biden sponsored genocide was criminal but this guy is worse.
It’s a poor indictment of US policy that we look for the lesser genocide promoter.
Yes, you knew the danger … your non-action is what allowed trump to be elected…
BTW… genocide is WORSE under trump…. He wants Gaza cleared out so hotels for rich are built on Mediterranean….
That is considerably worse than trying to negotiate an actual peace that would result in 2 state solution.
I voted for Kamala, Roadrunner. Would you rather hang out with the tiny # of people who took a stance against heinous actions of the US federal government, whom you're blaming for Trump, or would you rather engage with tens of millions of Trump voters? I know which is worse. I know where I stand.
I’m sure the people without criminal records being imprisoned in El Salvador without due process appreciate your moral compass, as do the people that will die of HIV and starvation now that USAID is dismantled.
As far as you're concerned the whole planet has a right to voice their opinion on your ridiculous experience (politics included). Y'all shit on the planet with your military and your culture.
Thankfully I’m watching from the ditch as Americans destroy themselves for the sake of a lunatic who’s tanking the economy, removing civil rights and trying to start WW3 with his Russian and Israeli masters.
Let me guess, you're one of these self proclaimed ethical voters that helped bring about our current fascist administration by not voting for Harris, right?
Your self righteousness prevents you from seeing the point.
I don’t feel self righteous. I do wonder: if those who didn’t vote for either candidate are to be blamed for where we are, then maybe people should have taken them seriously at the time.
You don't have to feel self righteous to BE self righteous.
Sure, the tiny minority that couldn't take their voting responsibility should be pandered to instead of trying to amass the largest coalition possible.
She gave y'all too much credit. If she'd pandered to you the loss woulda been bigger.
So now we're a tiny minority. Did we influence the election or not? If not, stfu. If we did, that means we were (and are) a powerful voice in the culture of America. If Harris stopped sending weapons to israel, she may have won the election. Time to take what we are saying seriously.
I am informed, why do you think I used both terms to individually describe fools who abstained from voting for Harris and apathetic gobshites who sat back and didnt exercise their vote at all. Try to keep up.
How many people do you know, dear, who voted third party and actually sleep well rn? Bc I think you are pulling this isht right out of somewhere, erm, unclean. Cut it out with the arrogance: it gets nowhere and pisses off a LOT of potential voters for "your" causes.
I live in Alaska. By the time I got to the polls the election was over. No matter what anyone says there’s no f-in way I would vote for any party that would not speak out against a genocide. Yet BOTH Republicans and Democrats were eagerly funding Israel and neither were speaking out.
Well, thanks for helping to get Trump elected. It's bullshit to say that Democrats were 'eagerly funding Israel' even though they didn't stand up for what was right. When it comes to a binary choice you need to make a decision, not support an even worse outcome by default.
Why did you even bother going to the polls if you weren't going to vote for anyone? Call your representative, tell them what you think. Call the one that didn't win and ask them why they supported genocide. Voting isn't the only option we have.
I did vote. I voted Stein. In Alaska if I vote after work, at 4, polls have closed on East Coast and we generally know who won. Plus, we’re a red state—the electoral college always throws to the Rs. To not even condemn genocide, to refuse to answer questions about it publicly sealed the deal for me.
🤣😂 401 k, that's a good one . But Maga says, "What's that?" Trump said I changed it to 501 plan. What's the 501 plan? O, you say MAGA PULL DOWN YOUR 501, AND TRUMP WILL FK YOU.
Their self absolution is air tight. No one is ever perfect enough for them, so they trash the good candidates who can actually win as “compromised.” They never have to take responsibility for their actions bc their longshot purity 3rd party candidates never actually have to govern. It’s infuriating.
If both major parties support genocide then we have already lost any semblance of democracy. Biden was shoe horned without having a primary and the they forced kamala on us. Someone who got zero delegates in her own state. That's insane no matter who she's running against.
What's your point? I already know we're not getting Healthcare from either party. m4a was popular in 2020 and it wasn't even on kamala campaign this time. She also ran with support from the least popular republicans ever.
They revel in their contrarian, ideological purity, and fashion themselves smarter and better than others. It's their identity.
And they see no obligation to acknowledge electoral reality, or the consequences of not voting for the one viable candidate who would preserve due process.
They don’t seem to understand that in order to get a different party elected they have to actually have people in that party run for office (not just POTUS). If Jill stein had won, how would she have even gotten anything done? There are no Green Party members in congress or in Local Government
This group gives you bandaids and this other group stabs you in the face with a pen.
Why on earth would people say both sides are the same? They're either entirely ignorant or willfully malicious. But that describes nearly all Republican voters at this point.
It's harder for me to grasp the level of callous indifference in people who face no obstacles to being able to vote and just say " fuck it" and stay home.
I can’t listen to Chapelle Roan anymore for this reason. “Both parties are the same” people in particular should be way more vocal right now and feeling responsibility
PSYCHOPATHS Putin’s/Trump’s/Eloon’s MAGAs are a redux of PSYCHOPATH Hitler’s Nazis = psychopaths (1 in 25 persons in the general population) & their psychotic human pets.
History’s confirmed that these stupid, fragile, gaslighting, SADISTIC PERVERTS will grow HORRIFICALLY worse until stopped.
To claim that an intelligent, kind, experienced woman was the same as a narcissistic, predatory, stupid bully is next level delusional!
I am more angry at the third party voters and those who sat it out because.... reasons, than at MAGA morons. This was a critical election & they screwed us over.
There were enough Biden non-voters and third party voters to tip the election. This could have literally saved millions of lives and kept the entire world order together. My hope is these voters realize the gravity of the situation in two years.
They won't. They're watching the nation burn in real time and still spout the same boring excuses for why they did nothing wrong and it was all someone else's fault.
Trump voters are showing more capacity for realizing "oh shit, I made the wrong choice in November" than non-voters.
They are not scapegoats, they are complicit. They came out in 2020 for Biden. They stayed home or 'protest voted' against Harris in 2024. They knew what was at stake, but they voted against democracy and decency.
Then why was she campaigning with Liz Cheney? I voted for her, but that was kinda the last straw for me. The Dems keep catering more and more to the right, instead of adapting some more left of center policy that creates a stark contrast from Republican policy.
Despite compromising my personal morals and voting at all. When I do, I vote for them and it's still not enough to avoid the scapegoating when they lose.
Blaming leftists for their own failings is a Dem tradition.
And the number of times some dead ender has called me slurs and names for pointing out that trump is, in demonstrable fact, worse than Harris shows me conclusively that that is not a one way trend either.
She was never going to be cancelling the Magna Carta and 90% of the Bill of Rights. He is.
Because she a republicon who was so opposed to trump that she lost her seat opposing him.
Liz Cheney is a piece of shit who has spent her entire career opposing my rights. And I was fine with her helping to fight trumpy. Because when there’s a Nazi holding nukes, they’re the primary threat.
She wasn't campaigning for what Liz Cheney believes in politically. It had nothing to do with moving right. LC was campaigning against Trump as an example of a republican being against the unconstitutional things he's done and planned to do. It was a campaign against exactly what we're fighting now.
Why do we need Liz Cheney to tell us what we already know? Oh yeah, Dem consultants thought they were going to win independent, and conservative voters over with Liz Cheney the war hawk neocon, who's father is a stain on American democracy. Doesn't lend any favors to that message.
The point is that the election was triage, & instead of focusing on the red tag patient of stopping trump, they chose to go to green patients and ignore the real emergency. This was not the time to debate party issues. Stable country 1st, fix the party 2nd.
The party has to be fixed before we can have a stable democracy. Our elected senators from our party voted for these psycho nominees. Look at the bullshit chuck schumer is pulling right now. The guy wants to go write a book, and do a tour instead of leading the party. It's not looking good for us.
This isn't some fringe argument. Prominent Dems had issues with the Cheney touring BS. I still voted for her out of common sense. I'm not dumb though, either. I'm not going to serve fealty to party lines when I have my own values, and will call out wrong when it's wrong.
Those numbers for Trump in 2020 are most likely from the same team that used denigrating behavior online to boost the algorithm in the third party market for media industry use as a source for marketing strategies for political views.
South Carolina gave US a chance.
I am talking about the surprisingly large number that voted for Trump. This was also a number that was bought for the upcoming media both sides gambits to sell to both audiences.
Just my guess.
Well, good for them. Now they are complicit in the kidnapping & jailing of citizens w/o due process, the dismantling of USAID, thousands of jobs lost, incompetent cabinet, measles outbreaks, decreased airline safety, the alienation of our allies. Oh, and how are things going in Gaza now?
The fact that Republicans are overturning Democratic executive orders and trying to repeal Democratic passed legislation, or that Republican states are trying to prevent Democrats from voting, would make it clear that both sides aren't the same.
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I get it, trust me I fucking get it
the Dems aren't doing shit about Palenstine, which they fucking need to
but to 1) act like the Republicans were ever gonna do anything either
2) pretend that-
3) justify doing #2 by saying said third parties had intentions of freeing Palenstine (which in the case of Jill Stein specifically is false)
and 4) ignore the fact that, yes, while neither party are beneficial to the massive issue-
And they get really mad when you point out their hypocrisy:
I had this argument too many times. I would love to vote for a good, viable third party. But there currently are no legitimate candidates. The ones on the ballot are spoiler candidates being funded by Republicans who do nothing for their party to further it.
it's a ridiculous notion.
Good job
We get to watch that daily via magas.
people say that to excuse not voting and not getting involved.
https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/ranked-choice-voting/
The perception of the political center matters. Protest votes can be useful in moving the political center to the left.
I'm sure the comments will be full of rational conversations.
Republican fascism.
Don’t vote for fascism.
😡😤😖🤬
Somehow even worse than voting for TFG
Was way more socialist than I will ever be BUT. Yes.
That vote = Trump
I cannot forgive this.
T. Tesla tanks
R. Racism flourishes
U. Unemployment on the rise
M. Millionaires & billionaires lose money because they
bent the knee and humiliated themselves.
P. Pay to play creating an American putin in front of the world.
Some proud independents are the same… reciting MAGA talking points. I’m like ok red hat … independent my ass!
So if only 1 person votes in a district, that's the election won.
This very simple concept is why Non Voting is the worst thing one can engage in.
The GOP seems to understand this, by constantly depressing the voter rolls as much as possible.
If you think Democrats are bad, then you personally need to go knock on the door of a house where a woman bled out cause she couldn't get an abortion
and you personally have to tell who ever opens the door, child, spouse, parent:
sorry you woman died, but I HAVE PRINCIPLES
America lessered of two eviled itself into normalizing evil.
Wishing the US a swift recovery. But you guys really need to start listening to voters over lobbyists. 🤷♀️
Definitely a winning strategy right there. 😅
If they want to win, then earn my vote. We're here because of their inaction as much as the actions of Republicans.
By the way, Democrats can't earn your vote while Republicans have control of the federal government, so again I reiterate that if you want Democrats to do good things, you have to vote for them first.
Does doing good for America earn your vote?
Their opinion is no less than yours.
1. I did not vote for Stein
2. I abhor Netanyahu’s continued genocide and the U.S. congress for enabling him, including under the Biden admin, also evidently with further support from Harris had she won
3. My question was sarcastic in nature
the system we have is flawed but working within it we have been able to remain a democracy until now.
our supreme court has decided THEY will choose our government. heaviest guilt is on scotus and the gop.
BEING RIGHT
Even when they’re wrong, they will never admit
Ask a significant other about their “independent” partner lol
Think bigger.
I voted against TFG each time I could, but we’re not here just b/c of him.
We’re here b/c of corporatist policies enacted by both parties over 50 odd years.
Like this didn’t come from nowhere, look behind and you see KKK and Pinkertons. Ds and Rs both.
I’m terrified of what TFG might do beyond the cavalcade of horrors already unleashed. So yes, I’ll vote D till he’s gone.
You haven't read any actual history of US politics, I can tell because you seem to think there was a time when there was a far left political movement centered on the Democratic Party.
Never happened.
It has the same corrupting influence, whether you want to believe it or not.
We, the people have no representation if money is involved.
It's incompetence that nearly matches the GOPs malice.
Contact your reps to vote NO on the NO ROGUE RULINGS ACT (NORRA)! Republicans seek to limit to power of the judiciary to impose injunctions in Trump’s illegal EOs & policies
https://5calls.org/issue/federal-court-attack-no-rogue-rulings-act/
I seriously underestimate the ego of the average human. Unable to accept wrong , deflecting the pain into a lie. Literally the same mental mechanics MAGA uses.
I will fight you on it. Your protest was a sham, you were lied to.
Ya sure about that?
the last Dem president was its chief cheerleader in the Senate. You did know that right?
Please. Don’t try that bullshit
I sigh and say, "Well, at least we did our part, and voted Kamala".
They then kinda look away.
I say, "YOU DIDN'T!"
They fucking did. WAYYYYY too many people.
(Some didn't vote 3rd, they sat it out.) 🙄
They waited til after the biggest nominations. They waited til after the budget fight.
BUT NOW? Now they're willing to stall on less important noms.
In the face of this, he's more concerned about Israel than us.
Do you know why Dems are starting to act now? Their stocks are threatened.
Good Cop, Bad Cop. They're both still cops.
Fuck your attempt to make us, who know better, feel bad.
That amounts to the same for the working class. neither side gives a fuck about us, and if we vote for someone who does were the fucking problem? Really? Fuck yourself.
My grandparents are dead and I turned in Arlington.
Again, fuck yourself and your hypocrisy.
I will not be responding to your provocation again.
Have exactly the life you deserve.
Again, you are worse than maga because you voted to virtue signal rather than help. You are truly a coward and a hypocrite.
Maybe if you cared about the harm your votes do, you would have demanded better from your politicians.and you wouldn't be in this mess. 1/2.
Did you not consider that evil and lesser evil votes are what got you here?
Nobody has the right to demand others choose one of only two choices.
Third parties didn't create this presidency. Fascists did. They're whose votes are cynical and despicable.
They abdicated their power to the most hateful, idiotic, and malignant stooge they could've chosen.
Xenophobia and racism are powerful catalysts for stupidity.
The apathy of abstainers is a wonder to behold.
The choice was between an Authoritarian regime or Oligarchy and Oligarchs got slightly more money from Industry and billionaires than the GOP.
The shame of this will haunt the US for generations.
Our markets were rock solid until dumbass fucked it up. I'm not exactly feeling the haunt.
This is why you deserve Trump.
Those that stayed home are also a huge problem.
So by Not voting or voting for 3rd party shills, you’re in effect voting for trump….
Do a better analysis than this. Just useless bitching at this point.
YOU DID NOT CARE.
We did, so she didn't get our vote. Sorry that funding the murdering of children isn't a dealbreaker for you.
You made mistake that will cause untold suffering. Own it. Do better.
we begged the DNC for a better candidate who would listen to us on Gaza
we got a candidate w a track record of state violence who literally said she wouldn't do anything differently
the DNC is to blame
Is that better?
That's who your party is and why they're losing votes.
You are incredibly unserious
Of course standing ankle deep in shit is, undeniably, better than standing knee deep in shit but it all begs the question; Why are we standing in shit when there is an option to stand on the clean ground?
You are incredibly unserious with your pathetic flavor of the month insult.
The whole “Kamala Harris is a genocide apologist” bullshit all over TikTok and Instagram… Many Gen Z and Millennials stayed home to protest or voted third-party because “I need to vote my conscience.”
Why is this lost on people like you?
"Sure, Trump will destroy America, but I'm a white boy so I'll be fine, I'm sure."
Probably shouldn't have voted for it in the first place.
Democrats bombs kill just the same as Republicans.
That's Americas biggest issue, arrogance and hubris.
"Gaza" was a very bad reason not to vote for Harris. Trump is going to be far worse for the people of Gaza than Harris would have been.
And Kamala was being very clear that she'd continue Biden's path.
She could have used her podium to pressure him to stop, but they'd lose a big donor (to both sides.)
Plus, I really don't want to live in a country where a candidate doesn't feel safe to say "We will not aid in bombing hospitals, killing civilians, aid workers, and the theft of homes."
Biden should have put an arms embargo on Israel the moment Netanyahu had an icc warrant out.
He couldn't because the Dems are owned by Israel.
Voting for the lesser evil is how you got here
The exact opposite is what happens if you always vote. Look at what the GOP has done with abortion. They voted for "the lesser of two evils" for decades to slowly errode abortion. Withholding votes teaches politicians you are unreliable, and the policies you want can be ignored.
That's the arrogance.
Also the Office of President gives too much power to a person who is voted in by celebrity obsessed morons.
https://www.npr.org/2021/06/22/1008737806/democrats-sweeping-voting-rights-legislation-is-headed-for-failure-in-the-senate
Here are the provisions for public matching funds for Congressional elections, it would help lesser known candidates get a foothold against bigger opponents.
https://www.congress.gov/117/bills/hr1/BILLS-117hr1eh.pdf#page=633
The For the People Act would have helped third party candidates get a foothold that they don't have right now, that's how progress happens.
If anyone has to agonize over whether to vote against the Nazi asking for 5000 nuclear weapons because the dem party planks are underwhelming, well…now you don’t have a BoR
No, you just believe in GQp/Russian propaganda.
"BoTh pArtiEs aRe tHe saMe"
Israel-Palestine conflict has being going on since 1800s. U.S. has LONG been in the mix but not alone.
https://www.vox.com/world-politics/23921529/israel-palestine-timeline-gaza-hamas-war-conflict
Throwing U.S. democracy--and a person who actually supports a two-state solution--under the bus IS idiotic.
2. This genocide has been going on for 17 months.
3. The Biden/Harris administration facilitated this genocide and as thousands were being slaughtered said they supported Israel. Harris said that. She is morally bankrupt.
Do you think part of supporting a "two-state solution" is to veto an international vote to make the occupied territories into a formal state? That's what the Biden administration did a year ago. Harris inherited that rich legacy of support, for better or worse.
If they see no error, there is no helping them. They are lost.
Another sad reality in a historically tragic era.
So on one hand there’s the guy bringing together parties on four continents to end the conflict, while literally building a port to ferry in aid.
And the one who says, “hurry up and finish, I wanna build a paradise without these people.”
You spelled pathetic wrong
https://www.reuters.com/world/how-bidens-gaza-pier-project-unraveled-2024-07-25/
Biden spends $250M to feed Palestinian children = Genocide fanboy
Biden brings about the ceasefire that everyone wanted but since Bibi resumed airstrikes, Biden is a douche
You fair weather assholes will never ever accept anything but misery
Why would Israel bomb after Biden's ceasefire & after all the bombs we sent them?
Whether abstaining or voting for somebody who hasn’t a hope will have the same outcome.
It’s a poor indictment of US policy that we look for the lesser genocide promoter.
BTW… genocide is WORSE under trump…. He wants Gaza cleared out so hotels for rich are built on Mediterranean….
That is considerably worse than trying to negotiate an actual peace that would result in 2 state solution.
The fact you've ignored the power of lobbying and allowed evil PERIOD is the real discussion.
It's obvious your empire went full evil after decades of rationalizing the "lesser evil."
Cope.
Or the millions of victims of your bipartisan foreign policy?
Do go on.
As far as you're concerned the whole planet has a right to voice their opinion on your ridiculous experience (politics included). Y'all shit on the planet with your military and your culture.
Your self righteousness prevents you from seeing the point.
Sure, the tiny minority that couldn't take their voting responsibility should be pandered to instead of trying to amass the largest coalition possible.
She gave y'all too much credit. If she'd pandered to you the loss woulda been bigger.
The right to abstain is not a justification.
Abstention and apathy are worse than maga voters.
The problem are those who voted third party or did not vote as a form of protest to the democrats, and there were a LOT of those.
You do not get your party "on a better track" by not putting them in office. That's not how it works.
They revel in their contrarian, ideological purity, and fashion themselves smarter and better than others. It's their identity.
And they see no obligation to acknowledge electoral reality, or the consequences of not voting for the one viable candidate who would preserve due process.
Why on earth would people say both sides are the same? They're either entirely ignorant or willfully malicious. But that describes nearly all Republican voters at this point.
History’s confirmed that these stupid, fragile, gaslighting, SADISTIC PERVERTS will grow HORRIFICALLY worse until stopped.
I am more angry at the third party voters and those who sat it out because.... reasons, than at MAGA morons. This was a critical election & they screwed us over.
I was thinking about this last night. Up to this point, I’ve been correcting people who say half the country voted for 🤡. NO. Only 23.3%! Blah blah
Well, when flipped. ~90 apathetic + 77m = 167m, which IS half because they may as well have voted for him. Their non-vote WAS a vote!
Trump voters are showing more capacity for realizing "oh shit, I made the wrong choice in November" than non-voters.
MAGA was never going to vote Harris.
Stating an opinion is not 'boasting'. 🙄
Despite compromising my personal morals and voting at all. When I do, I vote for them and it's still not enough to avoid the scapegoating when they lose.
Blaming leftists for their own failings is a Dem tradition.
She was never going to be cancelling the Magna Carta and 90% of the Bill of Rights. He is.
Liz Cheney is a piece of shit who has spent her entire career opposing my rights. And I was fine with her helping to fight trumpy. Because when there’s a Nazi holding nukes, they’re the primary threat.
The point is that the election was triage, & instead of focusing on the red tag patient of stopping trump, they chose to go to green patients and ignore the real emergency. This was not the time to debate party issues. Stable country 1st, fix the party 2nd.
Sorry, Liz Cheney campaigning for Harris is a dumb deal breaker, especially considering what was on the line.
South Carolina gave US a chance.
Just my guess.
But people don't care about that.
*not the same.