it’s so cool that we are at the whims of this reactionary force of groypers that don’t understand anything, lead by the dumbest guy ever seen in history
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My thought was, without any additional information, the fact there are records of users over 100 yo in the database could mean any number of things that don't equate to illegal payments. There might be a good reason for historical data reporting purposes to keep their records for X years b4 archivng
umm...they just want an excuse to try and change public opinion about social security so they can massively cut it despite what they said. Just to keep trumps tax cuts for the wealthy funded. A massive grift
none of your points will take affect or sink in to the small minded majority leaders in senate, house & nothing truthful will ever be allowed said in the White House.
That’s how it’s done. Spread lies and malicious propaganda cuz ya don’t know a fucking thing. Don’t bother to retract, the brain dead cult has already digested it. And that’s the whole point, ain’t it?
Yeah every database admin looking at these musk posts going “so? I have a table with 8 columns for storing 1 or 0 as individual bits of a binary number that indicates profile background colour”
I said it earlier, they ran headfirst into the peculiarities of COBOL and ran with the info before even attempting to understand it.
If anyone reading this is unfamiliar with COBOL heres the short answer. It's a 66 year old Gov. Business program that much of the Federal government still uses today.
Additionally, since the system is so huge & parts have existed for many years, some programming languages such as COBOL will auto-fill any missing dates even 100 or more years into the past. DOGE coders are totally unfamiliar with the older software languages that were in use before they were born.
I'm not convinced he is, though it is obvious he believes his party is that dumb. He has been around technology long enough to know to check a suspicious answer. He is using whatever he can to attack, while knowing it is likely all BS. Our co-presidents are the paragon of amorality.
The system automatically stops payments to people over the age of 115 and also the publicly available data says that they only pay something like 60,000 people over the age of 100 anyway - not millions as the DOGE freaks and their right wing media enablers claim.
And yet said groypers and said dumb guy control essentially all branches of the federal government, have made castradas out of the two federal law enforcement agencies, are currently gutting basic constitutional rights for its citizens and are rapidly consolidating authoritarian rule.
CNN this AM:
Reporter said, 'There's been $71B of fraud found'
Then added quietly, 'Over the last 8 years'
Then even more quietly, 'Most have been overpayments'
Then didn't add, 'Which were then repaid back'
And didn't say, 'This was known without DOGE'
because the whole entire worldview of this fascist movement is "the experts are just as corrupt and incompetent as you/we are, how dare they think they're better than you" and they're desperate to validate their insistence that they're smart special little boys who are better than The Elites.
“May have misinterpreted” more like an inexperienced arrogant pipsqueak not understanding legacy code that caused the error. That’s not just an oops that’s incompetence but they’re mostly white and male so nothing to see there I guess 🤷🏾♀️!
Well, maybe if they hired enough people to run the program properly they could’ve fixed all this stuff and people won’t be thinking we’re getting stiffed!! 🤦♀️🤷♀️
the 150 year olds are just a programmers trick to flag really bad data. Data entry generally leads to 15% errors. The Musk computer jocks should have known that.
oh, and FWIW - every person is forever on the SS rolls. That's built into the law - because you can't reuse SSN numbers, your number will always be linked to you and your (former) activity.
It is most unfortunate that the DonOld and Leon show hurts sincerely hard working government employees, their families, and us!
All to allow weak men look tough.
They will find little waste.
But they will destroy the entities investigating their frauds and conflicts of interest!
Mistakes by DOGE are inevitable. Trump's base ignored ALL the evidence & facts about Trump's criminal behavior. Now we have a thug & felon in the WH running a criminal enterprise, ignoring the Constitution & corrupting DOJ. What do we call people who support illegal & Unconstitutional behavior?
Looks like even their mouthpieces are getting tired of tying themselves up in knots trying to make the bullshit palatable. A month ago, they'd have doubled down on this until the MAGAts thought social security fraud had its own chapter in the Bible. Now it's just "oops, our bad"?
IDK why I was expecting this but I thought maybe she would realize that people on social security are basically getting the money they paid into it back but of course not. Acting like tax-paying adults are just stealing from her paycheck or w/e.
This is the culmination of 40 years of reaganocratic "the government and public workers are stupid and lazy!" A big segment of the populace credulously believes that elon musk's patently idiotic tweaker ass is smarter than all the peeps who have been diligently, carefully running shit for decades.
While you're on about Reganocratic "government and public workers are stupid and lazy," please also take a look at Carter's "regulations are the problem, we need to de-regulate." 🤷
That AND not funding technology upgrades because of the belief that government is worthless AND not expanding staffing, despite the increase in population, for the same terrible ideological reason. It’s maddening.
Yup. The mindset is "I have spent zero time doing that job or interacting with anyone who does that job, and it does not directly benefit me therefore it's government waste"
I mean it's not an accident they know they're always lying. they just want to throw out so much disinformation about our civic institutions that they can have enough public support when they completely dismantle them. it's not JUST stupidity.
So these 150 year olds almost gotta be people born prior to social security which couldn't establish a birthday. In cobal the default year for no birthday is 1875 which is 150 years ago. They arnt collecting because they were all dead by like 1985.
We must fix education in America.
When Social Security was set up, many folks did not know their birth dates so a date was picked as a placeholder so folks could qualify. That date in now 150 years ago.
Dumb as a stump should not be the acceptable norm.
Cool, cool, cool how much did that cost tax payers to learn nothing and find zero fraud? How much more has this team officially been paid than they have returned in fraud charges?
Hmm, that’s odd. Maybe they shouldn’t rush to report their findings within seconds of making them in a highly propagandized way designed to rile up their followers about issues that don’t ultimately exist.
Lesson learned for next t—
Oh are they still doing it?
You don't hire accountants to fix your car or electricians to fix your plumbing or landscapers to do surgery. Why would anyone in their right mind hire hackers and programmers to do the work of accountants.
I asked Grok if it would give a permission for Musk to social security database. It said no. Even the creation of Musk's understands what a snake he is.
So basically someone dies, the checks stop but probably to avoid making mistakes that could harm a living person they don’t rush to purge the names from the rolls?
They never purge names. They flag the name as a dead person. If they have one, they’ll enter a date of demise. Even so, thousands of living persons get mistakenly flagged as dead every year.
DOGE, the Department of Grift, Enterprises, got no training or guidance from anyone, but they think they can put in codes to do what...speculate? This is NOT a department BTW, and the non department did this all wrong.
Article says SSA system uses COBOL, which sets a default date if a birthdate is missing. It follows a Paris conference in 1875 that set international standards. Also, SSA cuts off any recipient after age 115.
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Looks like I guessed correctly, DOGE was just searching bombshell announcements, and had not bothered to verify the checks were actually going out to these people.
You can see why Trump's announcements on X bombed terribly, with Elon prioritizing mindless slavishness over competence.
Musk announced then that the "Dead" fields were not set. Which told me his super nerds had only been able to run database queries, and had no insights into how the data was being processed.
To clarify my comment was "IF", which meant I expected him to reply with yes/no, not with DEAD field values.
Reminder: Trump was going to make major announcements on X, which failed, the platform couldn't hold it together.
IMHO this was because of Musk's "sleep at work" problems. Near-Top developers are known to sleep at work, but are not known to do so to please management, but from internal motivations.
If it's anything like the databases when I worked for the state (AZ, and it was DES specifically), it's there specifically to call attention TO database issues.
Like there'd be a dedicated report tracking the instances of it so the files could be reviewed and the errors fixed by a separate team.
Also, BECAUSE they're all in so far over their heads, now I'm fully expecting him to release evidence of multiple payments all going to the same address and it turns out it's just people in the Address Confidentiality Program.
Cobol is kind of a lost art now, there are going to be surprises for anybody looking in. For Unix-derived branch of Computer Technology there exist many people who know random stuff like the epoch year 1970. There could be stuff in Cobol that none of us know of anymore. Cobol was rare even in 2000.
Clean the records???
In general it's not good practice to delete a record from a database. You can't be sure you won't need it for a new purpose in the future -- or that you're not deleting it based on wrong info. Instead, you mark it invalid, or code so as not to use it, based on some criteria.
I bet you a whole paycheck that those 150 year olds not receiving checks are working. In restaurants and chicken processing. They’re paying in and not collecting anything.
A simple google search told me that on day 1 only 29 ppl out of millions got an undeserved check. Learned this when battling a Maga troll who thought they were all collecting checks ya see
Literally everyone was screaming about how wrong they were, and honestly I think that doge assumed they had the biggest gotcha ever. But really they want any excuse to gut social security.
If only there were some kind of expert to look into this stuff...
Maybe a paid professional who understands bureaucracy, some type of bureau cat maybe?
Much to consider.
Every thing they do is reactionary, they hear the first three words of a paragraph, and they know no what is going on, without reading further on that the figures are just a representation and need more insight.
"We don't know what we're doing, and we got it wrong, and here I am getting it wrong, again, while trying to explain why we were wrong in the first place, but my explanation of what "actually" happened is wrong. You probably shouldn't trust the things we say, yet here we are."
Oh this incompetence will be weaponized. They'll fuck it ALL -- and then blame Democrats (and probably trans folks) and say "If they hadn't let it get so BAD we could have FIXED IT EASILY this is THEIR FAULT"
And their base will blame their missing SS checks on Democrats.
All of these things are just large scale versions of the multiple voter fraud crusade by Republicans only to close up shop and pretend nothing happened
The “rolls” need to remain intact so we can see who’s been paid and who hasn’t. Deleting any data leads to more fraud Jfc this is basic intel management
I occasionally had to note that people had died, and noted the source of information and corroboration. You don’t just wipe the name. (Retired from local government)
Purging history is their thing. If there is no history, then slavery becomes "African Immigration." War becomes "Industrial Productivity."
Analyzing data? Understanding history? Tracking trends? These are woke, making you sad. Be happy and give all your money to a deprived (depraved?) billionaire!
A friend who worked on county/state system compatibility mentioned that quite often the individuals turned out to be not-deceased, the data was just in the wrong box because of system mismatch et al.
I suppose it never occurred to any of these people that we might continue to keep records on payments made to people who have been dead for decades for the purposes of statistics or maybe if someone filed a lawsuit
They don’t need real ‘fraud’ to dismantle Social Security—they just need the illusion of it. Manufacture a ‘scandal,’ get the headlines, then slash benefits while everyone’s distracted. The dumbest guy in history is still following the oldest playbook in history.
…..are these nonpeople counted as if they were receiving money- in other words contributing to the projection that social security will be insolvent sooner than later. Of course the answer is to raise the income limit. Seriously people making 3-400,000+ a year aren’t hurting.
Under an international standard called ISO 8601, a missing value for a date is coded as May 20, 1875, because that was the date of an international standards-setting conference held in Paris, known as the “Convention du Mètre.”
You'd think these "genius" coders would know this. FFS they're morons.
consider the inter-connectivity of SS data, Dependent spouses and children (and adults disabled as children) might be legitimately collecting off of a dead persons number. It is important that people unfamiliar with the workings don't have any ability to edit.
In an organization that’s not funded appropriately the workers compensate by working inside their means. Limitations of a system induces institutional knowledge. When a punk from an illegal group observes, they conclude incorrectly. They’re reckless and dangerous.
Honestly my preferred means of executing these guys is usually too violent to say, but I think instead we should just drop them in a deadly jungle and have cameramen document their complete failure to survive for our entertainment. That should be their execution, public humiliation.
'on this one'. Most of it is 'on this one'. Just as you can't tell when Trump says anything truthful, our Media apparatus is failing even the SIMPLEST smell test. If it sounds like complete HS, call it out. Don't pretend for a nano second that there might be something there.
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even if these people were somehow still tied to payments (which might be possible, confederate pensions were still being paid to beneficiaries in the 2000s!) the amounts owed each month to any one of them would be in the tens of dollars.
OMFG, I swear, this has been driving me crazy. 1. historical records. 1-1 records based on unique information. 2. some sort of code that shows Active/Death/Inactive (aging out of any benefits for a survivor) etc... and they print. FFS!! WHO DO YOU THINK RUNS THE SSDI(social security death index?)!!
The bottom line is that their IG found that the cost of going thru all of those clearly inactive files, is actually a waste of taxpayer money. He advised attaching a status of DO NOT PAY to inactive accounts. This would require research into any of these SS# if checks are ever requested.
…said someone with no fucking clue quoting someone else with no fucking clue quoting someone else with no fucking clue quoting someone else with no fucking clue quoting someone else with no fucking clue quoting someone else who shouldn't be where they are
fun fact: the Obama admin looked into cleaning up those records and concluded that it was too expensive and risked breaching privacy of living recipients, this is all a matter of public record and something literally anyone could have looked up at any point.
"government efficiency" means doing expensive and pointless things that risk the public for no particular reason other than pretending there is fraud there
You're underestimating how critical to the project that outcome actually is. For now it's all just talk but pretty soon they'll start trying to prosecute people for this made up bullshit.
GAO conducted studies for Biden, Obama, and Bush. Some of these reports are even from 2017-2020.
Note that the modernization process has been a challenge dating back to the Reagan era, when COBOL was still common, and I’m guessing the reports only go back that far.
Literally the first thing the programmer humor subreddit said was "bet those are all people who died before collecting SS and thus never needed a 'dead' maker." Lo-and-behold...
My husband died last March 12th. I received a letter in the mail 2 days later to inform me that his last payment would be the last. Same with the VA. I contacted neither about his passing but they knew he died. I even checked his voters registration by the end of March and it listed him as deceased.
Yep, my mom died in August. A few days later my family and I thought we should be prudent and also good citizens and let SSA know to stop sending checks, so we called....
they already had her listed as deceased
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real "weird" how they're all 150 years old,
almost like it might be a strange feature of the ancient COBOL system the dogshit broccoli heads can't fuckin grasp
They probably assumed this was the case, but they know they don't have to be accurate when the point of releasing that information is to influence people into thinking they're doing something important.
But see I guarantee they already knew this before sending out those tweets. The disinformation is the point. They can say “oops silly us!” while knowing damn well that a good amount of ppl who saw the original lie wont see the correction of it
Trish and her Teen DOGE Squad see no value in keeping inactive people in the database because they don't understand how things work in the real world. "Clean up" those records, Trish, and you'll soon be asking why there are new, fraudulent entries for people you just removed from the rolls.
I would have not done the stupidity knee jerks. Someone who knows what their doing would have not caused this disaster. Accountants and forensic accounting to do a software upgrade is so under rated. Done several. Enjoyed them.
That's a real shocker coming from a team headed by a guy who took a $44 billion business and turn it into a $9.4 billion business. Yeah, they're real bright over there 😉
the entire fed is run now by stooges for the most psychotic billionaires in history who think they can run everything ever without any fault. every position is run by a little Hitler Henry Ford whose direct boss is an even bigger little Hitler Henry Ford.
It was the fact that they were still in the database, nothing more nothing less. They said they MAY NOT have gone out already. Call Larry Ellison and ask him how corrosive dead data is on a huge database.
Guys. Elmo is just proving he has the ability of foresight since he said he wasn’t going to bat 1000 and this just proves it. Calm down and you’re welcome.
setting a default date is one common way of dealing with missing data. It’s better practice to use 12-31-9999 these days but making system-wide changes can be risky so it’s not surprising.
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These are the assholes that rip off children's charities.
Sounds like Trish is a dolt.
If anyone reading this is unfamiliar with COBOL heres the short answer. It's a 66 year old Gov. Business program that much of the Federal government still uses today.
https://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html
Reporter said, 'There's been $71B of fraud found'
Then added quietly, 'Over the last 8 years'
Then even more quietly, 'Most have been overpayments'
Then didn't add, 'Which were then repaid back'
And didn't say, 'This was known without DOGE'
Answer: .0007% or 75 cents out of $100,000
That’s like having a project budget of $100k and getting mad that someone bought one thing of tic tacs.
All to allow weak men look tough.
They will find little waste.
But they will destroy the entities investigating their frauds and conflicts of interest!
It's individualism meritocracy brainrot
When Social Security was set up, many folks did not know their birth dates so a date was picked as a placeholder so folks could qualify. That date in now 150 years ago.
Dumb as a stump should not be the acceptable norm.
Lesson learned for next t—
Oh are they still doing it?
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I could be wrong, but I would guess they don't ask a lot of questions, they just plow forward.
My understanding is that this misleading report was due to an old programming language, COBOL.
https://youtu.be/vwMGdnM24Cw?si=bkhOdxjRMM2c62ga
That might have also been a clue to asks some questions before running to a White House press conference screaming “Fraud! Fraud!”
Chicken little
You can see why Trump's announcements on X bombed terribly, with Elon prioritizing mindless slavishness over competence.
To clarify my comment was "IF", which meant I expected him to reply with yes/no, not with DEAD field values.
IMHO this was because of Musk's "sleep at work" problems. Near-Top developers are known to sleep at work, but are not known to do so to please management, but from internal motivations.
Like there'd be a dedicated report tracking the instances of it so the files could be reviewed and the errors fixed by a separate team.
tl;dr it’s the COBOL date for blank birth dates, and none of them know COBOL (neither do I)
In general it's not good practice to delete a record from a database. You can't be sure you won't need it for a new purpose in the future -- or that you're not deleting it based on wrong info. Instead, you mark it invalid, or code so as not to use it, based on some criteria.
okay…
Maybe a paid professional who understands bureaucracy, some type of bureau cat maybe?
Much to consider.
And their base will blame their missing SS checks on Democrats.
Analyzing data? Understanding history? Tracking trends? These are woke, making you sad. Be happy and give all your money to a deprived (depraved?) billionaire!
It's like realizing that the Earth isn't a flat disk, but only because you now think it's shaped like a fleur-de-lis
You'd think these "genius" coders would know this. FFS they're morons.
…said someone with no fucking clue quoting someone else with no fucking clue quoting someone else with no fucking clue quoting someone else with no fucking clue quoting someone else with no fucking clue quoting someone else who shouldn't be where they are
Note that the modernization process has been a challenge dating back to the Reagan era, when COBOL was still common, and I’m guessing the reports only go back that far.
https://www.gao.gov/reports-testimonies?f%5B0%5D=by_agency_name%3ASocial%20Security%20Administration&f%5B1%5D=topic%3A236&processed=1
Knew anyway
You know why? "Because I have common sense."
they already had her listed as deceased
Now if only there was someone to call him out in front of live TV/streaming so his head explodes.
almost like it might be a strange feature of the ancient COBOL system the dogshit broccoli heads can't fuckin grasp
https://larson.house.gov/media-center/in-the-news/many-rich-americans-have-already-paid-their-2025-social-security-taxes#:~:text=A%20Primer%20On%20Social%20Security%20Finances&text=In%202025%20the%20cap%20is,and%20Disability%20system%20in%202023.