The DNC would rather collaborate with fascists than let a socialist win an election.
Once the party leadership decided Saunders and not Trump was the threat, it was all manufacturing consent after that. Loosing to Trump doesn’t actually matter to DNC… only protecting donor profits does.
I’m sorry but I was told by someone “arguing in good faith” that only “conspiracy theorists” believed he had support so these things I witnessed that you are showing me again never happened 🙃
The CIA spread dumbass shit on the internet to convince everyone that people who think the moon landing was faked by Stanley Kubrick and people who know Kissinger funded Pol Pot are the same "conspiracy theorists"
Went through a whole thread of libs pointing out how Bernie wasn't electable in 16 and 20. Lots of "best qualified candidates ever to run." No mention of how HRC was easily the most hated politician of my lifetime before Trump and Biden... still in denial about that apparently.
People need to remember that Debbie Wasserman Schultz was the head of the DNC, who openly admitted that they were putting rules in place to block Sanders’ campaign. Then she was ousted, and went to work for Hillary. The whole thing stank.
Tell you what, i dont care if they run baron trump in 28' on a platform of total collapse i'm not voting dem again until its completely cleaned out and rebuilt as a worker's party
I still remember the time that sanders won a primary, but ratboy claimed it and all of the networks ran with it despite the fact that it wasn't true lol.
I also remember how they started covering who was in 2nd place without mentioning who was in 1st.
i have no evidence that bush or obama were (other than weird parentage); but fuck if there weren't some things that would make a lot more sense if that were the case (redirecting the party machinery into ofa before dismantling it, lack of federal oversight of elections, etc.)
Last thing I’ll say about this because I don’t think it’s helpful. But it’s interesting to see dems blame leftists for Kamala losing when so many openly said they’d stay home or vote for trump if Bernie won the nom. Something to think about!
Similar story for Clinton 2016 even though more Sanders supporters voted for Clinton in the general than 2008 Clinton voters voting for Obama in the general.
The party is just meant to stop the left. That's the real objective.
Well also like, the dems keep running right wing candidates. Dems knew leftists would never vote for somebody who condoned Israel's actions or refused to protect LGBTQIA+ people. Yet they went all in. And somehow that's OUR fault? 🙄
I'll never forget in 2020 Karla Jurvetson dumped $14.6 million in Elizabeth Warren's lap even though she was dead in the water, just to fuck over Bernie's momentum. the lengths the went were limitless
They do this every time and I have to say it's pretty enjoyable to point out that, if the left HAD to show up for an election, and the libs didn't pick Bernie, doesn't that mean they don't actually want Trump defeated? And that he's not actually a threat to democracy, since they can be so risky?
I found the 2024 UK election results quite buoying because I'd heard for 5 years that the left was dead and I should just stfu, eat shit and accept my pure irrelevance and the indies and Greens won record numbers of votes and Labour got 33.7%. They just can't kill us.
Yeah this. Like yeah we had record numbers turnout but it still wasn't enough to beat the lies, propaganda and bullshit from Tories and Tory lite (kier and his cronies). Now we have a government that has the chance to do something good and is instead stepping on the poorest once more. ):
Well, there's Philly trash/DNC official Lindy Li, who has now fully transitioned to FOX News personality. She isn't particularly representative or anything, but she personally sucks so much that I hope people make her name synonymous with sucking ass.
I was there for that. It really was a crazy moment, bird just stayed there chillin’ for so long. But then it was also like, okay how did a bird get inside here? Someone should probably get it outside and check for a nest so there isn’t bird shit on the basketball court 🤷🏼♀️
he would have never been able to come up with Dangerous Donald or Captain Chaos like other democrats, and then imagine the trouble the country would be in
Some of us are more reliant on those kinda services, especially rural area folk. I don't want the company to go out business, too many Americans rely on those paychecks. Let's instead use our consumer Power to turn the company Green and force them into being a very well paying/full benefits company
the consultant class knew he wouldn’t hire them, the politician class knew he wouldn’t include them in his admin, and the money class is terrified of working class solidarity
In Iowa Sanders polled strongly in the primaries, but when push came to shove, nobody showed up for him, but they did show up and select Hillary.
That was one of the issues with Bernie supporters. They didn’t want to actually get off their asses.
The Democrat establishment would prefer fascists to socialists. Fascists might want to kill millions but that only makes them slightly worse than the corporations that pay for the campaigns anyway.
Dems would rather hand over the government to fascists than have even the slightest bit of easing up on capitalism crushing the poor. Anyone even nominally to the left of themselves. They're collaborators
I grew up with these same people whom, upon uttering the word socialism would immediately spout "it doesn't work it has worked anywhere in the world so it can't work" their brainwashing was absolute, I would have been the same way if it weren't for my slightly more edgy hippie parents
I swear it feels like whenever the “left” bands together and brings a cohesive, impactful, policy choice the Democrats just plug their ears, stomp their feet, and try to push it out of hearing.
I’ll always remember when Bernie and Biden did that awkward debate early in Covid and Biden talked shit on how Italy’ ‘socialized medicine’ was doing a bad job at handling the situation. My mom was like ‘Bernie’s crazy for wanting that’ and things got way worse here than Italy soon after.
Despite everything, the democratic party would rather lose here and use that in 2028 to help their next guy get elected, then actually change anything. They like the system as it is.
This is also what the liberal parties of nazi germany did btw. Didn't end well for them.
Exactly. They'd be happy to let Trump and Musk run rough shod over the country and then run HRC in 2028 with a promise for things to become very very marginally and nominally better, which would allow her to run far to the right of any previous Dem candidate
I used to think the DNC insiders rejected Bernie because he wasn't a corporate sellout. Now I realize they rejected him because he was popular. They just don't want to win, no matter what.
They can offer THE EXACT SAME THINGS as the Republicans but just offer maybe a couple insignificant good things on top and expect to win (which doesn't work)
I keep joking that they'll trot out HRC again in 2028 and she'd simply be the new head of the exact same fascist regime
I feel like they'll only start putting effort into their campaigns once they've purged the progressive wing of the party, or gotten Trump to do it and helped him behind the scenes
My favorite was when they were they were like "look, he's not doing as well as the next three candidates combined." As if Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Biden were all running together.
I’m actually a bit confused at candidates dropping out is “rigging”. If they dropped out and more people supported Bernie vs Biden 1 on 1 then Bernie would have just won? Are people not allowed to drop out of the race?
Look man if we're gonna get somewhere we gotta wake up like we weren't born yesterday.
If you're in a free for all contest and it turns out every contestant but you had a Supraobjective to deny you the #1 place you'd probably recognise that as a rigged contest.
So then how does it work? Candidate are not allowed to drop out or stay in when they want to? There is no way to prevent coordination in a free election. That’s politics. In a parliamentary system, the entire process is based on coordination.
You can’t simultaneously say he was an amazingly strong candidate but also people immediately chose other candidates when given the option - and the only way he could win is if the voters never got that option. I don’t see the logic.
Well, if you aren't interested in having say, a squeaker election where Trump waltzes back in 4 years later say, you might want your primary contest to run its course with voyers
How it works instead is there's a larger org than the candidates called the DNC which co-ordinates such interventions
They dropped out the day before Super Tuesday, which meant on the most important day of the primaries, all of the establishment votes went to Biden while the progressive votes were split between Bernie and Warren.
Whether this counts as rigging is up to you, but it was clearly coordinated.
If there’s nothing illegal about it and everyone’s votes are counted, I don’t see how it would be rigging. By this definition the Green Party and libertarians are rigging because they split off Dems and gop votes and sometimes change the outcome. RFK jr dropped out and endorsed Trump. Also rigging?
They would be if they literally worked for the respective major parties yes. Like if Perot was in contact with the DNC, remember this is what the Russiagate stuff was about?
Yeah, it wasn't illegal. And like I said, it's up to you if you want to consider it rigging. But it was clearly a coordinated effort by the establishment wing of the party to stop a rising progressive movement. Bernie was polling extremely well and they quickly mobilized to stop him.
They dropped and then endorsed Biden. So instead of their former voters deciding who to support on their own, they were pushed to jump over to Biden. It was orchestrated by Obama, to (successfully) create the appearance of momentum.
If that was how the Democratic primary actually worked, more of them would've dropped out earlier, instead of splitting the vote until after South Carolina, then Bernie would have won outright.
Isn’t that sort of similar to a 3rd party being called a “spoiler” in a general election? Is it voters fault for voting who they wanted? If Bernie was overwhelmingly popular, as the OP suggests, then none of this would be an issue because people wouldn’t have chosen the other people on the ballot.
To be clear- would have been totally happy with Bernie winning - but it just didn’t seem clear cut. Many Dems in the past have decisively won primaries because more people voted for them than all the other candidates in a crowded field.
This would be accurate if the 3rd party was straightforwardly an agent of the winning candidate who rewarded them for spoiling with a cabinet position right after
1) A similar situation, actually, with a different mechanism of action. In the 3rd party instance it's the 2 parties and mainstream media colluding to prevent their message from reaching a wider audience.
Sanders is a terrible politician. He always has been. The Democratic Party didn't have to screw him over; he ran a bad campaign and only did as well as he did because anti-establishment sentiment was so high.
Sanders, among other things, ignored the proportional system of Democratic primaries and only really campaigned where he was winning. He also never grew past his economic stump speech, and never made serious inroads outside mostly-young, white progressives.
Lady I don't know if you know this but anti-establishment sentiment has been so high for the past 15 years that most of America is openly cheering for the murder of a health industry CEO. Trump's appeal is tied incredibly highly to anti-establishment sentiment. Status quo candidates are losers.
He spent his career using the Democratic party as cover to avoid facing serious electoral challenges while shitting on them at every opportunity and refusing to build the connections needed to actually be a successful politician.
When you run to lead a club you hate, expect resistance.
Oh my god, its almost like running as a third party in the us is literally impossible? we live in the real world hunny, you have to make sacrifices sometimes. Like how Harris sacrificed the rest of us to try to court they mythical "moderate republicans" and lost? Yeah?
The more time passes the more it becomes clear that Sanders was the DNC's last chance to save itself.
Dude was effortlessly popular AND super friendly to Dems, but they decided they'd rather doom the country than look like they want to help their constituents.
If they hadn't fucked around in the primary, not only would Trump not have ever been a thing, but there's a good chance that the GOP would've had to become way more moderate to survive.
That they needed to stop even the most milquetoast of democratic socialist reforms in their tracks. Those reforms would’ve hurt billionaires and shareholders bottom line and to the Democratic Party that’s unthinkable.
I know 2016 Bernie counterfactuals are a bit trite at this point, but like goddamn. Imagine if the DNC didn't drum him out during the primary. I wish we could be in the timeline where he won 2 terms and Trump just never happened.
Wanted to make a snarky answer but it kills knowing they saw this and determined not only to choose a different path but that they had to do all they could to stop this one
"This is bullshit, it was bad enough when Obama skipped the line, but this guy isn't even a real Democrat!" and "If we don't do something, he's going to scare off all our donors!"
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"We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high & beautiful wave…
...with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark—that place where the wave finally broke & rolled back."
- Hunter S Thompson
Once the party leadership decided Saunders and not Trump was the threat, it was all manufacturing consent after that. Loosing to Trump doesn’t actually matter to DNC… only protecting donor profits does.
God damn get the fuck over it
https://ivn.us/posts/dnc-to-court-we-are-a-private-corporation-with-no-obligation-to-follow-our-rules
Votes natter.
FYI- 19 million is a lot more than 9 million
Also Biden won the election dumbass
I claim victory
I never really believed that Biden actually got more votes out here. Always seemed fishy
I also remember how they started covering who was in 2nd place without mentioning who was in 1st.
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wrt parentage bush's dad was director of the cia and obama's mom was in jakarta
what a guy can't have a hobby now??
The party is just meant to stop the left. That's the real objective.
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That was one of the issues with Bernie supporters. They didn’t want to actually get off their asses.
This is also what the liberal parties of nazi germany did btw. Didn't end well for them.
"hE iS nOT EveN A deMOcrAt!"
I keep joking that they'll trot out HRC again in 2028 and she'd simply be the new head of the exact same fascist regime
If you're in a free for all contest and it turns out every contestant but you had a Supraobjective to deny you the #1 place you'd probably recognise that as a rigged contest.
Plus all the other shit.
How it works instead is there's a larger org than the candidates called the DNC which co-ordinates such interventions
Whether this counts as rigging is up to you, but it was clearly coordinated.
They'd prefer 4 years of performative resistance to fundraise to 4 years of real change.
How dare they.
You can't win like that.
He spent his career using the Democratic party as cover to avoid facing serious electoral challenges while shitting on them at every opportunity and refusing to build the connections needed to actually be a successful politician.
When you run to lead a club you hate, expect resistance.
https://bsky.app/profile/jediofgallifrey.bsky.social/post/3lifrumqx7k2e
Dude was effortlessly popular AND super friendly to Dems, but they decided they'd rather doom the country than look like they want to help their constituents.