I'm merely a civil paralegal in a flyover state USAO, but I couldn't bear to work for this administration. I loved my job for 15 years but I turned in my resignation this week (I did not do the "Fork"). I'm not the only one; ranks are getting thin. No RIFs yet, we are "self deporting." I'm gutted.
No decent attorney will go anywhere near Trump or things Trump. He truly is KoD for any professional. This shabby behavior should come as no surprise. They are legal trash and that's all they are
/2 The list needs to be a searchable online database with (1) the pleadings they filed, (2) transcripts of their arguments where available, (3) orders evaluating their arguments and transcripts of judge’s comments about them, (4) links to commentary about their stances.
Big job. Needs to be done, but a big job. I would assume the hosting servers would need to be a country that the administration couldn’t bully into shutting down, plus a way to keep those complying the data from being fingered by them for disappearing.
Thought should be given to mirroring this, in general. I'm willing to assist on the programming side if there's a good PM (which looks likely) and I can contribute with my skill set.
If no one else has already offered to build the web application for this, I could probably do that. The trickiest part would be managing the list of people who are allowed to update the database of documents
And self-servingly, leaning into Bluesky gives a growth-hacking element where the act of contributing to it spreads the message of its existence, helping other contributors/readers discover it.
I was thinking the same. I might be able to help, but my major concern would be creating a tool for abuse. You'd need reliable people to add and moderate the content, and some clearly-defined rules for moderation, otherwise it turns into nothing more than an enemies list.
My workplace is working on a similar project for career expert witnesses in our line of work. If you want recommendations for technical search methods and data aggregation I can ask around
I’ll start working on an implementation this weekend. If I have anything worth playing with in the near future would you be interested in alpha testing the data entry side and giving feedback?
I have been looking for a citizen data science project to volunteer for, so I too would appreciate a DM about this. I have ideas for other lists as well, such as court order violations.
I know your aim here is to track just the lawyers (understandable), but when all is said and done it will be really important to ensure ALL collaborators are tracked down and banned from polite society
My favorite part is all the places where they ineptly tried to pull a fast one and the judge saw right through it (like claiming that Vought started after the stop work order or that employees were safe to submit contracts to be restored.
Given that that paragraph could be applied to anything in Convicted Felon Trump's world, I have no idea to what this relates. I cannot keep up, but I'm glad to read it!
Now let's hope that your list will be one used to cast out the sycophants... Ir whether it will be written by others and labeled "out patriotic legal fighters"
Non-lawyer here. Do you get to keep your bar card if you tell a premeditated, easily-refuted-by-your-own-records lie to intentionally mislead the court? Who would make a referral to for revocation/suspension of an attorney's license to practice law? Is that contempt? Can they be jailed or fined?
In order of your questions, and recalling that we are talking about attys who are appearing on behalf of the government here and therefore generally given more leash to piss on the court's head and say it's raining (cough prosecutors cough):
1) most likely. You might MAYBE get referred to the applicable disciplinary body by a court, but the sanction for that kind of thing is rarely imposed, and if it is it's typically like do a certain number of CLE (continuing legal education) hours. Torching your own professional reputation for
"candor to the tribunal" (telling the truth to the court) in front of a particular judge or set of judges is a more likely professional consequence for telling blatant lies to the court. And in criminal cases, a prosecutor telling lies or failing to correct lies in testimony can be grounds for
getting a conviction tossed out. But generally you only get disbarred for 2 main things: fucking your clients, or stealing money from your clients.
2) referrals can come from a judge that gets pissed off enough, as well as from other attys, and from the general public. How closely a complaint is
reviewed is likely correlated with which of those 3 groups did the referral...
3) contempt can be civil contempt or criminal contempt. Neither are good, the latter is really not good, and can involve incarcerating the atty or client found to be in contempt. But judges rarely pursue contempt, because
Not just DOJ. Everyone has administration has hired. Everyone who has not been fired or resigned in protest. Everyone in government who has been complicit in the unconstitutional actions of the executive branch. There is a huge portion of people who need to be permanently barred from the government.
Not a hypothetical at this point. All of the professional standards orgs have failed to respond to the modern world. They were never prepared for members who are actively working against the rules.
To keep up, they would need to be reacting more like a social media moderator than a court.
If we ever take power back, I fear we lack the single-mindedness of purpose that Trump and his enablers have brought to purging the DOJ of lawyers committed to the rule of law.
And some of these big law firms that have been threatened have signed up their employees to be the ones giving these terrible arguments! And lying to the court! Any reasonable lawyer would say no.
Disbarments don't depend on political majorities, fortunately. It's an ongoing process by state bar associations or state supreme courts (varies by state). "We" don't control it at all.
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Not the state or district, just the circuit.
Sure... I'm all in.
e.g. you can tweet @trumpslawyers. Your tweet must include a docket/docket entry link, an optional media commentary link, and an optional excerpt.
Have a bot that dumps those into a github repo.
You get the timeline for free by using publication metadata.
Bad actors can be banned retroactively. For "finished" cases, you could switch to a whitelist model to minimize vandalism.
It'd be good to make it frictionless for to capture all the work that's already being done, just spread out over multiple accounts and time.
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/pilingonhelpful
I don’t have the resources but surely there is some group who does? Do we just play defense forever?
Would you be interested in alpha testing the data entry side if I make any progress in the near future?
DM me if interested.
https://bsky.app/profile/chrisgeidner.bsky.social/post/3llwjv6v4nk24
by the New York Times Editorial Board, 2029
Joffrey Baratheon
Beric Dondarrion
Cersei Lannister
…
Has a ring to it, doesn’t it?
tl;dr gobsmackingly amoral.
Now let's hope that your list will be one used to cast out the sycophants... Ir whether it will be written by others and labeled "out patriotic legal fighters"
2) referrals can come from a judge that gets pissed off enough, as well as from other attys, and from the general public. How closely a complaint is
3) contempt can be civil contempt or criminal contempt. Neither are good, the latter is really not good, and can involve incarcerating the atty or client found to be in contempt. But judges rarely pursue contempt, because
In this particular case, I believe Judge Berman is addressing
YAAKOV M. ROTH
BRAD P. ROSENBERG
LIAM C. HOLLAND
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.277287/gov.uscourts.dcd.277287.82.0.pdf
ERIC J. HAMILTON
Deputy Assistant Attorney General
BRAD P. ROSENBERG
Special Counsel
Liam C. Holland
Trial Attorney
DOJ
https://www.linkedin.com/in/brad-rosenberg-6b804a24b/
Holland
https://www.linkedin.com/in/hollandliam/
To keep up, they would need to be reacting more like a social media moderator than a court.
I have no idea how you actually solve it. Because acting too quickly and incorrectly can do great harm also.
But, that's the pace at least.
I think it even defaults to restricting who can have edit access to people you explicitly give that ability to
“No problemo, whatever floats your boat!” - Dozens (hundreds?) of DoJ personnel, apparently? I hope not but it kind of seems like?
Thats a bad thing, right?
https://bsky.app/profile/greggentry.bsky.social/post/3lli7x3wgvc2b