The Adrian Dittmann Story all the evidence and methodology from A to Z by @ryan.staticnoi.se and me maia.crimew.gay/posts/adrian... - ThreadSky

crimew.gay • 173 days ago

The Adrian Dittmann Story

all the evidence and methodology from A to Z

by @ryan.staticnoi.se and me

https://maia.crimew.gay/posts/adrian-dittmann/

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latenightafa.bsky.social•172 days ago

Incredible work

h3xadecimal.theoverpowered.com•172 days ago

Thank you for the story! And I found myself tickled pink by your blog, got web ring nostalgia all over

rosememes.bsky.social•172 days ago

Maia this is frankly embarrassing given there's not a single refuting of him LITERALLY CALLING HIMSELF ELON

pithesnep.dev•173 days ago

thanks for the write-up, maia

mothlady-auty.bsky.social•173 days ago

i choose to believe that he's elon because it's funnier

lines.snail.skin•173 days ago

Thanks - this certainly convinces me that the account isn't Elon, at least most of the time - I think there's still a few specific weirdnesses in a few places (like that streaming video) that just don't seem to lie flat if Elon doesn't pretend to be AD at least sometimes but that's hard to prove.

ttlyovrit.bsky.social•173 days ago

Thanks for this

crimew.gay•172 days ago

https://bsky.app/profile/crimew.gay/post/3leze4ovjes2c

rpgirl.bsky.social•172 days ago

A point of pride, imo

unl0cked.bsky.social•172 days ago

This is bullshit, how can you doxx someone who posts under their own name.

crimew.gay•172 days ago

by being a bit too woke with it

unl0cked.bsky.social•172 days ago

Hacking Wokely, by maia crimew. I'd read that book

wheystandard.bsky.social•172 days ago

It seems clear Musk and Dittmann have become friends, and honestly I’m a little afraid for Musk. Whatever my opinions of Musk, I don’t want the end of him to be a 20something superfan wearing him around a la Silence of the Lambs.

theotherspeakman.bsky.social•172 days ago

If Adrian Dittman cuts off his skin to wear around his house like the reincarnation of Ed Gein that is a 10/10 way to be remembered for centuries. Forget landing on Mars (which would also kill him), that's the way to go.

estrusflask.bsky.social•171 days ago

I do

misterjayem.bsky.social•171 days ago

Agree to disagree

bellabearz.bsky.social•172 days ago

God he's such a fuckin baby

signorina37.ransomnews.online•172 days ago

Merp!
Kiddo Elon playing =/

yaqube.bsky.social•173 days ago

It's wild that such a crazy theory was believable, all because the person at that was at center of it sucks out loud AND has a history of similar behavior AND everyone else involved refused to take any simple steps to dispel it themselves.

Not the first time I got lost down a rabbit hole like this.

shanephotos.bsky.social•173 days ago

Most of this is fairly circumstantial, and the ring photo is way too blurry to actually draw a firm conclusion. Ditmann sounding like Musk on a stream though... That seems like something that might merit explanation. Or how some rando had access to the Twitter admin page.

sillylittlewoman.bsky.social•173 days ago

The twitter admin one is the easiest thing to explain, like ever. Given that its 4chan we dont even know who postet it as its anonymous, and with inspect element you can create that screenshot in five minutes.

shanephotos.bsky.social•173 days ago

Possible, yes. But a really odd choice if the guy doesn't actually want people to believe that he's musk.

omenrust.bsky.social•172 days ago

Why would he not want that? He makes money out of engagement and what better way of getting engagement that playing into this similarity?

shanephotos.bsky.social•172 days ago

He makes most of his money being a shill. The role he plays stops working if people think he's absolutely Musk.

omenrust.bsky.social•172 days ago

He makes money out of engagement. His engagement has risen because people think he sounds like Musk. This explains all his behavior.

badideas.bsky.social•173 days ago

Maia please, is there anything about what you uncovered makes it concrete that Musk does not have access to, or sometimes uses, the Adrian Dittmann name, account or persona?

ryan.staticnoi.se•173 days ago

not maia but its coauthor: no, and i don't believe that is possible to prove

badideas.bsky.social•173 days ago

Very sorry to what happened to you both on bylines and the article at the spectator. Thank you.

ryan.staticnoi.se•173 days ago

thank you for your patience!

revmagdalen.bsky.social•172 days ago

Well of course it's POSSIBLE to prove, just convince Dittmann to show you his logs of it happening. But that would involve speaking to the subject of the article.

ryan.staticnoi.se•172 days ago

oh, i'd love to speak to him. we attempted contact in every way possible. but besides deleting posts he would not even acknowledge the contact

revmagdalen.bsky.social•172 days ago

If he deleted the posts you asked about, then he's deliberately trying to keep people thinking he's Elon. But Elon isn't mad about this, playing along by tweeting that he's Adrian. Seems like they are colluding together to troll.

We need a fundraiser to send you to Fiji to catch him on the street.

revmagdalen.bsky.social•172 days ago

How long ago would Adrian have known this article was coming out, and is it before the CEP stream was booked? Because I can see how they might think it was very funny to have Elon go on a show as Adrian, right before this got published.

branflakes.3dsgoonsquad.com•172 days ago

i think at this point people want this guy to be musk so badly that they are going to ignore any and all evidence that proves otherwise.

shoukopai.bsky.social•172 days ago

Why is it important who this Twitter account is or isn't?
Either they're a Elon Musk fanatic weirdo
Or they're another EM sock puppet account

But without context I'm finding myself lost

Was @ Alan Dittmann spinning crypto or stocks and shares advice or some fascist propaganda or something?

shoukopai.bsky.social•172 days ago

Oh it's actually about good journalism. Fair, not that I'd ever expect The Spectator to do quality journalism. 😅

kyallr.bsky.social•173 days ago

holy fucking bingle

nickipedia.bsky.social•173 days ago

I couldn’t focus on any of this because I was too busy squeeing at the kitty.

Fuck Musk and Dittmann. Less white dudebros, more cats!

straycunt.bsky.social•173 days ago

Proving a Diftman exists is not proof everything Dittman posts or streams is actually Dittman. Come the fuck on.

straycunt.bsky.social•173 days ago

Why is anyone operating on a premise it's 100% Musk or not-Musk when "a couple idiots playing twin magic" switcheroo to intentionally fuck with people is right there (and still pathetic)

straycunt.bsky.social•173 days ago

"Wow you sound a bit like me and people think we're the same guy wouldn't it be funny if I actually went on stream as you"
"LOL epic dude"

And that clearly happened Friday and likely on other occasions.

revmagdalen.bsky.social•172 days ago

Yeah, that seems like the likeliest explanation to me too. Especially when they found out that Musk knows this family. That explains why he would talk to the guy and do a joke with him, instead of treating him like a random user and ignoring it.

revmagdalen.bsky.social•172 days ago

If they knew this article was coming out for a while beforehand, that would be an incentive to do a long stream with Elon as Dittmann, to get everyone convinced it's him, right before the article came out. Epic troll. And that would explain why he would say someday everyone will know who Adrian is.

fairweatherfiend.bsky.social•172 days ago

He has come out and said it! https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1875758660154163254?s=46

jakeyjenk.bsky.social•173 days ago

Still doesn’t explain why Dittman has been around for years and nobody said anything until now (he even did a space over a year ago with Elon and everyone was just huh wow you sound alike)

straycunt.bsky.social•172 days ago

A very simple explanation: at some point after discovering they sound alike, a real Dittman agrees to let Elon use it for lols because it makes him feel special.

Ppl catch on when it becomes obvious, and then they intentionally fuck around more frequently because they actually enjoy the attention.

straycunt.bsky.social•172 days ago

My mom is a twin. In high school basketball they swapped jerseys to fuck with people, switched classes for lols to see if anyone could tell, would claim to be caught when they weren't, refuse to admit when they were caught, etc.

They're playing twin magic.

jakeyjenk.bsky.social•172 days ago

See this is extremely close to what I’ve been saying they’re definitely both playing this up for clicks and views I just idk if Elon has actually filled the Dittman role at any point

yikesmountain.bsky.social•172 days ago

While I don't contest the idea that this could be a game of "twin magic" isn't the article simply implying there IS a real person named Dittman, and that person is being used (intentionally or not) as part of the game? It doesn't establish what the game is or how it works, but it does add context.

straycunt.bsky.social•172 days ago

The Spectator article tgis is associated with was using words like BlueAnon and other verbiage essentially denying any idea of twin magic entirely

yikesmountain.bsky.social•172 days ago

OK, but the piece above states "we ended up with an article in the US edition of the right-wing Spectator that was arguably poorly presented, cut out graphics and information crucial to the investigation, and crucially did not give credit to us." It doesn't even try to address a "twin magic" theory.

kipwilliams.bsky.social•173 days ago

This reminds me of people who assure me that the Bible is verified because they mentioned Caesar and he really existed.

straycunt.bsky.social•173 days ago

"Spiderman is real because New York exists"

astronaughtpenguin.bsky.social•172 days ago

ok but like i clicked to read the story and there is a cat following my cursor huh huh huh? hell yeah

danjac.bsky.social•173 days ago

tbf he is exactly what I would expect a terminal Musk fanboi to look like

idletenta.bsky.social•173 days ago

Those 4chan screenshots doing the rounds yesterday, allegedly by Dittman, do we know who made them?

dawn-oh.bsky.social•173 days ago

yeah the screenshots with twitter admin settings is still confusing me

philpax.me•172 days ago

https://bsky.app/profile/philpax.me/post/3leyyuptcz223

(also, the screenshot is fake: there are UI elements out of place and unaligned with their surrounding elements)

idletenta.bsky.social•172 days ago

Thanks, that much I know about 4chan!

Going back and reading the thread again, I can see there really aren't any evidence that it isn't just a troll.

https://bsky.app/profile/plainsite.org/post/3lesqmyyny22h

thechiller.bsky.social•171 days ago

📌

bengiff.bsky.social•173 days ago

So if Musk isn't Dittman, is Dittman just doing it for the lolz?

kimera.world•173 days ago

there is no way to know but the most mundane (aka likely) answer is that dittman is just a corporate climber suck up acting particularly desperately to get into musk's good books

cgd.gay•173 days ago

ADz parentz R huge Musk fanz / sukupz ; he probly haz sum kind ov complex 💀

4202025.xyz•173 days ago

Gee I wonder why

theotherspeakman.bsky.social•172 days ago

It's not what you're doing, but it would be infinitely funny if this was a ploy to get Elon to admit he's Adrian and dismantle the sockpuppet.

Like 3D chess for a man who moves his queen and bishop like checkers.

priva.cat•157 days ago

Just read this, and great work. Also mad props for the adorable kitty that follows you on the website and the last federated states of Micronesia link, which sadly took me a minute to get.

cyanlol.bsky.social•173 days ago

Thank you for posting the evidence!!

v-liketheletter.bsky.social•172 days ago

You make a lot of excuses for yourselves and are contradicting in pictures below. That was unnecessary. The article itself still offers no concrete proof and is poorly written. You have a good start, but you're still far off from your goal. You and your work are very messy

v-liketheletter.bsky.social•172 days ago

Just like the last time, could everything in this "article" be true? Sure, but that's as far as we'll know until Maia and Ryan learn a few things and find the end of this thread.

v-liketheletter.bsky.social•172 days ago

Absolutely no way to prove these are the same ring whatsoever. Just that the hands in these photos are both white and both wear rings which appear to be gold. No way to claim this as proof and yet Maia and Ryan are content to say it's conclusive. This "article" is still not ready for primetime.

v-liketheletter.bsky.social•172 days ago

Wow.

dankine.bsky.social•173 days ago

It quite clearly is Musk talking when he fucks up and refers to himself as "I".

internettalk.xyz•173 days ago

great work guys :)

now prepare for the deluge of people claiming this isn’t enough and that adrian is somehow still elon

wildheart-baby.bsky.social•172 days ago

Oh hey, I've got London Bridge for sale if you're interested.

internettalk.xyz•172 days ago

right on cue!

wildheart-baby.bsky.social•172 days ago

So the German guy by the same name, just happens to have the same vocal tics and opinions as musk, yeah, seems legit.

internettalk.xyz•172 days ago

that’s the spirit! keep finding those airtight coincidences, i’m sure you’ll be able to disprove the evidence here

begbiewhaack.bsky.social•173 days ago

Still making Elon a hugely funny target for the biggest diss in history so can’t see him being able to continue at his current rate….if it is a separate person.

mgomez.ch•173 days ago

the cat is a very nice touch

dunetails.bsky.social•173 days ago

What do you think the deal is with his accent,is he doing something to sound like Musk considering he's German?

uruzrune.bsky.social•173 days ago

Musk is South African

dunetails.bsky.social•173 days ago

Yes,but Dittman is German. So how why in all audio does Dittman also sound like he's from SA?

uruzrune.bsky.social•173 days ago

Lives near the Netherlands maybe

dunetails.bsky.social•173 days ago

Have you heard Dittman speak? It is startlingly similar to Musk,very South African. If anything I'm even more confused if he's German. Potentially using deepfake audio I guess

uruzrune.bsky.social•172 days ago

No, because I'm normal

hi-lucy.bsky.social•172 days ago

When people speak a second language, why do they have the accent they do? None of it is a "native" accent, it's all learnt.

dunetails.bsky.social•172 days ago

Certainly. Entirely possible he lived/worked with South Africans or consumed media.

hi-lucy.bsky.social•172 days ago

Oh, I suspect he's way more nuts than that and intentionally copied Elon's voice.

msbamboozlebat.bsky.social•173 days ago

this is much more informative then the spectator article. thxs for posting this yourself

char.lt•173 days ago

1 day turnaround on this is so cool gj

luck3drag0n.bsky.social•169 days ago

📌

solarjedimaster.bsky.social•173 days ago

People are betting on this. https://polymarket.com/event/will-adrian-dittman-prove-hes-not-elon-musk?tid=1736084742270

uhjustin.bsky.social•172 days ago

Musk is a public figure and that stream went on for hours. Couldn’t someone just figure out where Musk was during that time, especially since he seems to be glued to Trump these days?

neongrey.bsky.social•172 days ago

god we really do live in the stupidest world

chelry.bsky.social•167 days ago

People keep accusing you of being a “paid musk shill” over this over on reddit. I got an automod ban for “hate speech” for posting a link to your article

-_- redditors just don’t wanna listen they just wanna dunk without thinking critically about the rumors they spread

chelry.bsky.social•167 days ago

So so so many true things to hate on Elon musk for there is no need to make rumors up

pabb.bsky.social•172 days ago

Imagine trusting the spectator 😫

maxrez.bsky.social•172 days ago

Elon settled it.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1875758660154163254

ny3resident.bsky.social•172 days ago

As a joke, in reply to the article which was deleted… and the account that he’s replying to is now on a 30 day ban.

giwake.bsky.social•173 days ago

a much better article than the one that got published imo. crazy how badly your work got butchered by the spectator.

honestly i'm not sure if it's funnier or sadder knowing adrian isn't musk.

mathiastck.bsky.social•142 days ago

I was just happy to see a WebRing in action again, doing the work :)

ny3resident.bsky.social•173 days ago

Sadder. Also it’s pretty clear to me Elon gets a kick out of the “chain-yanking”

frstnamebnchanmbrs.bsky.social•173 days ago

I don’t know if this is the weirder or more cringe outcome

mattmager.bsky.social•173 days ago

Excellent work, and gross that your work was basically uncredited and then got someone else paid when they didn’t even narrate your work well.

ctexposers.bsky.social•173 days ago

Say it again!
This is 10x better.

kayteeoz.bsky.social•172 days ago

📌

msupete.bsky.social•173 days ago

Some timezones, a ring and a cooking video where he doesn't talk? This isn't the bombshell report you think it is. I'm sure this guy is real, but I need more evidence before I believe that he, and not Elon, is behind the Dittmann Twitter account.

cyanlol.bsky.social•173 days ago

Then again, why would Elon go to the effort of changing the time and date when taking screenshots, and putting on a ring on that exact finger that real Adrian does, just for an alternate account?

Doesn’t 100% prove that the real Adrian controls it, but it’s decent evidence that he’s related to it.

v-liketheletter.bsky.social•172 days ago

I don't think the other option is Musk wearing the ring. It will remain unknown without more information.

cyanlol.bsky.social•172 days ago

I know, I was just speculating based on the evidence we have.

giwake.bsky.social•173 days ago

considering how stupid musk is with so much other shit i doubt he would go through all of that effort just to bootlick himself online.

v-liketheletter.bsky.social•172 days ago

100% correct. Maia and Ryan are making huge claims and backing it up with some of the flimsiest stuff I've ever seen. Could they be right? Sure, but clearly they're either incapable of proving it or unwilling to do the work necessary to prove it.

krang.bsky.social•173 days ago

I appreciate the amount of work that was put into this article, but unless I'm mistaken all it really proves is that *there exists a real person named adrian dittman*, and not that elon isn't also running a burner with that same name ?

ourobolus.bsky.social•172 days ago

Yeah this is pretty much where I’m at. Adrian sounds exactly like Musk, and often accidentally refers to Musk in the first person. Sure, there appears to be an Adrian Dittman that exists, but Musk seems to be using that guy’s persona as an alt

revmagdalen.bsky.social•173 days ago

And once they found out that this family has a connection to Musk, it seems like they just went "family of Musk fans, case closed" instead of "Oh there's a potential here for collusion."

jakeyjenk.bsky.social•173 days ago

it’s extremely obvious it’s not Elon

markscrivens.bsky.social•172 days ago

Extremely obvious in the sense that Dittman often uses the first person when talking about Elon, or obvious in the sense that Elon’s own mother thought that Dittman was Elon?

jakeyjenk.bsky.social•172 days ago

Extremely obvious that none of this is proof of any kind and circumstantial at best, the obvious answer is Dittman is a clout chaser who is leveraging his similar voice for clicks and views. Elon is an ego maniac that loves having a sycophant like him around and is playing this thing up for clicks

markscrivens.bsky.social•172 days ago

Oh yes, certainly“extremely obvious”.

jakeyjenk.bsky.social•172 days ago

I mean it is if you have critical thinking skills and a functioning brain

yikesmountain.bsky.social•172 days ago

Maybe I'm mistaken but the article seems to present facts one could use to reason 2 different people (one who we learn is an actual real person, the other we know is...whatever) are involved in playing a character called "Adrian Dittman" for reasons that are probably far too stupid to understand.

wolvkal.bsky.social•173 days ago

Science:
"Only 0.5% of people have a voice doppelganger as similar as Musk and Dittman"

shoukopai.bsky.social•172 days ago

That's still 1.9m (native anglophone) to 7.5m (native and secondary anglophones) people that potentially voice fit
(https://www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/Anglophone_countries?lookup=List+of+languages+by+total+number+of+speakers%2Fsummary) using their natural speaking voice never mind using vocal mimicry which people are great at.
Now just find someone politically aligned…

wolvkal.bsky.social•172 days ago

Yes, out of that many people and multiply with the likelihood that one of those will be complete brown nose to musk. Multiply that with the prob that out of millions of other hard brown noses he will be paid attention to etc. Analysis tells me something is 99.5% likely I will prob bet on it.

singingpigs.online•172 days ago

there are quite a lot of links in the article between the real Dittman and the X account (comments the X account has made about their life, the Fiji time zone, hand/ring in a video posted to X matching, etc) none conclusive, but I’d argue just as, if not more, conclusive than the evidence he is Musk

amadeusmaxwell.bsky.social•171 days ago

If neither sets of evidence are conclusive then you shouldn't really be weighing which one is more convincing since as stated neither are convincing on their own merits. Stating that one is less convincing doesn't add anything to its opposite claim.

chucknoblet.bsky.social•172 days ago

The article also pretty conclusively links the AdrianDittman Twitter account to that person.

mecha-lenin-3000.bsky.social•172 days ago

That is not "Conclusive". Arguably the thing that conclusively links it most is the cooking post, but the left can be faked by doing the same snooping that the journalists did or even being given the information by said weirdo fan, and the right can be faked via location spoofing.

guywith.dog•172 days ago

this makes it much funnier that he referred to musk w first person pronouns tbh

estrusflask.bsky.social•171 days ago

I just don't buy things. There's still a lot that just doesn't make sense.

stephenserjeant.bsky.social•173 days ago

📌

dylanreeve.com•172 days ago

You and @ryan.staticnoi.se did great work there! Sorry to hear how it went down... I reckon you should reach out to @davidfarrier.bsky.social if you find something like this in future - not quite the reach of The Spectator, but a good dude with a decent platform.

matapacos.bsky.social•172 days ago

Y’all should hit up Dan & JorDAN of @knowledgefight.bsky.social podcast.
They’ve been on this story since this sad dork started becoming a staple in XSpaces live calls run by right wing “alt media” shitheels like Alex Jones.
https://bsky.app/profile/matapacos.bsky.social/post/3lehbmhb7722d

fairweatherfiend.bsky.social•172 days ago

I was convinced by that episode back then too, but I heard that ‘convo’ of Elon & Adrian again today and it sounds like some clear trickery. IMO on that call Elon is playing Adrian, and ‘Elon Musk’ is either pre-taped (it’s mostly just laughs) or AI or someone else playing Elon - it’s not that good!

fairweatherfiend.bsky.social•172 days ago

Another thing that dissuaded me back then was that ‘Adrian’ seems to get more and more pathetic and desperate as the ‘conversation’ goes on. But now I would actually rather classify that as further evidence that it *is* Elon lol

catboycraig.bsky.social•172 days ago

The evidence is really compelling but I can't help but feel very confused. With the ConnorEatsPants stream I felt it was so clearly obvious it was Elon, but with your x account getting nuked I'm not so sure.
No matter what direction the truth is in, it's a crazy and nonsensical situation.

sappo7.bsky.social•172 days ago

I think it's perfectly plausible and simple to assume this guy shared/shares his account, because that stream was 100% elon

loveatra.in•172 days ago

We've had memes about how fucking weird Elon fanboys specifically are for over a decade. His fandom of socially-distant, tech-obsessed men have spawned some of the weirdest dudes you'll ever meet. "Gets off on pretending to be him and getting attention for it" is, honestly, a really easy walk.

fussybabybit.ch•172 days ago

Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if the guy has some in with Elon at this point (if not before) and got it pulled / nuked for “doxing” considering how he freaked out and deleted stuff when asked for comment ahead of the articles coming out

loveatra.in•172 days ago

As with most people who do anything involving Musk, it makes the most sense that it'd be someone with a financial incentive to take up a "no you" attitude towards Musk criticism. Much in the same way the loudest Cybertruck glazers are Tesla stockholders trying desperately to increase its value.

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