Oh ffs is Jesse Singal really here now, stinking up the joint? @aaron.bsky.team can we deal with this before he does to this place what he did to Twitter? He is a legitimate menace.
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alex, thank you. also The Idiot Box was good television and deserves a special edition blu ray release with commentary. but seriously thank you for your support.
Moderation seems to be fighting with itself over what to do about him right now. He got banned and unbanned a few times. I expect the final decision will likely come down Monday.
Monday would make sense, because people are probably out over the weekend. Maybe bans of accounts that large need manual confirmation by someone higher up?
I think it’s pretty reasonable that if making decisions at Bluesky is their day job then they aren’t doing it on weekends or holidays. Ppl are more than workers.
It feels like they're not 100% sure what to do about him, but maybe the decision has already come down to leave him in place, which would be disappointing if true.
He got suspended and marked as "intolerance" like two or three times but the "Trust & Safety" dipshits here keep deciding that no, he's fine actually, thus undermining both safety and our trust in them
One thousand percent agree. Get Singal off of here, he is a known bad actor and will target trans folks for harm *because that is what he does and we know it*.
He has told all of us who he is, multiple times. @aaron.bsky.team BAN THAT MF PERMANENTLY.
Don’t just do something. Send a message loud and clear that these people and their harassment campaigns will never be tolerated on this platform. Millions of us migrated here specifically to get away from the awfulness of the other site. Please don’t let it happen here. We all deserve better.
Please folks, use Blocklists. Numerous people here are carefully curating these lists to prevent trash like this guy from ruining what we have here. Filter these creeps out.
Seconded. Hi @aaron.bsky.team - I’m a legit journalist in the UK (look me up) and I can confirm what Alex and others are saying. Allowing Jesse and his followers into Bluesky will very quickly erode the great atmosphere you guys have nurtured here, and probably trigger an exodus.
thank you for speaking about this, Aaron is quick to block all the uppity queer people that have issues with T&S, going so far as to search the terms "T&S" to block specific types of users who haven't even tagged him
the way Jesse is being kid gloved by mods paints a bad picture for some of us
Hey, as long as he’s here, you can’t smell me! Am I right?! You know what I’m talkin’bout😉(please, if you, or anyone you know has any idea what I am trying to say,
Why not allow the expansion of the audience of a hateful bigot, seriously? If for no other reason, because people who have somehow not heard of him may follow him without realizing how vicious, dishonest, and damaging he is.
those ppl would then block that account i assume.. you only expand the audience by reposting the content, since theres no musk artficially pushing his fascist bros
I will assume this question is in good faith. People used to ask me the same thing about Elon when I left Twitter, and now they've all abandoned ship. Targeted and amplified harassment isn't something that goes away with a block.
It wouldn't surprise me if this place is about to go the way of Twitter, favoring a flood of worthless creeps and bots because it gets those engagement numbers pumped up.
All we can do is push him to the top of the most-blocked list and use all available tools to block anyone following him. I'm not going to talk smack about @aaron.bsky.team. He's overworked.
Aaron is only going to kiss his ass. He isn't going to ban the obvious hate monger who stated that he was only coming here to start shit with the transgender community..
We are trans so nobody fucking cares and nothing will change.
The problem is Bluesky's head of Trust and Safety was the person who ran Trust and Safety after Elon took over, and been there on that team before hand. Trust and safety was garbage with Twitter for years, so how can we expect better?
I'm not saying that things have to be perfect, but when you've been doxxed and had someone break into your house as a result and nothing happened to the person who doxxed you, you are justified in saying things are awful.
Dude is a beacon of light sorely needed right now and his righteous anger is a fucking relief. Could. Not. Agree. More. And you're a bad ass/gem too. Thank you very much for all the work you've done for us indie musicians. Just learning about your (sadly) former role at BC. THANK YOU!!!
They hired 75 new moderators last month, so there probably are some issues with new and inexperienced moderators. I hoping they will get it sorted over the next few days and give Singal the permaban he deserves.
based on the messages involved i suspect all of these were automatic, which i guess speaks well of the ability of the automatic tools to detect this kind of shithead but poorly of whoever isn't letting them do their jobs
presumably, I just meant it was not an impersonation ban that was reversed. he (as far as I saw or have heard) never had the Impersonation tag applied, and that label is supposed to be applied rather than bans in those cases
he seemed to get hit with an auto ban, after mass reporting
I'm kinda forgiving because large-scale moderation is really hard and despite a bunch of people jumping in to claim @/aaron.bsky.team is a transphobe, I have yet to see anything believable (we don't even know if the buck stopped at Aaron for this decision). But I do think JS should be banned asap!
Oh, wait, an opponent? I don't know, man, I don't want to use this place as a "war board," that's some 1985 BBS shit, Twitter sucked because it turned into nothing BUT a war board... But now I have no war board to vent on, because Elon protected my free speech by deleting all of it there.... Hmmm...
“Treat others with respect. For example, no:
Harassment or abuse directed at a specific person or group, including but not limited to, sexual harassment and gender identity-based harassment”
Either kick ‘im, or let us know this is just another Nazi bar.
maybe on block list you're already subscribed to. contrary to the bad place, whenever you search for a handle here it won't appear in found options if you've blocked them. i reverse engineered to find him via something that @alexwinter.com posted - and was able to make the profile appear
correction: was @cleon42.bsky.social link to https://clearsky.app showing top 5 blocked accounts and then i clicked on #2 which was this jesse person which led me back to their page here
Idk if you’re being disingenuous on purpose or just willfully ignorant but someone who wants to establish a nazi bar isn’t someone I “simply don’t like”.
He's a known bad actor, that's violation enough. Just as countries often won't allow entry for known hatemongers, online communities shouldn't, either.
I hear what you’re saying but I’d still argue that until his Bluesky posts violate community standards *on this platform,* they should not take action. Give him a day or two and he’ll walk right into it.
Thanks for the clarification. I’d never heard of him until yesterday but I’d disagree with the idea that it’s okay to ban an individual from your platform just because you’re sure he *will* break the rules, even if he has not yet.
i understand the concern about “pre-crime” moderation
but i think this is more akin to “threats of violence are sufficient, we need not wait until violence has been done.” singal has said his plan is to bring his followers and make trans ppl feel unwelcome here. he’s announced his plan to harass.
not to mention, it’s already happening. trans users are seeing a spike in harassment. i’ve seen ppl post being added to “jesse singal derangement syndrome” lists.
I’m not sure he will break the rules here, but I am sure he’ll do what he always does, which is make this place shittier by his behavior and the behavior he encourages in others.
If he took the same actions on a different platform and brought his followers who helped to the new one, is that not the same? If an IRL mob that had burned one building marched up to a second one, would it not be appropriate to have the law enforcement block them?
A guy stands outside your house for a week waving a gun and saying he is gonna kill you. But since he hasn't actually killed you yet it's fine to let him in right?
If you didn't know who he was until yesterday then maybe you need to sit this one out and let the folks who are way more familiar with the stink of his shit take the wheel
It's very simple. Since Twitter always defaults to giving the benefit of the doubt to bigots, fascists, and trolls, BlueSky needs to do the exact opposite. Questionable users should have to prove the presence of their good faith and an absence of malice to stay. Singal could never do that.
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I’m not privy to who this guy is really besides what I’ve gleaned here, but how would he get around people blocking him and his followers?
Clearly ban the shit out of singal tho.
Hopefully they make good decisions here. Won’t go well for them otherwise.
He has told all of us who he is, multiple times. @aaron.bsky.team BAN THAT MF PERMANENTLY.
They expect you to do all the work of moderation, that is their whole business model.
You all really need to learn the bluesky business model and also the history of bluesky before you start expecting moderation here.
the way Jesse is being kid gloved by mods paints a bad picture for some of us
https://bsky.app/profile/maniagnosis.bsky.social/post/3lcsmrikjqc2n
Respectful argument is fine, but we should all avoid feeding trolls on this platform.
Starve them out.
(I haven't heard anything about that)
We are trans so nobody fucking cares and nothing will change.
My fucking dare Aaron to prove me wrong..
If LibsofTikTok can’t be here, Jesse should be banned too. He’s awful
he seemed to get hit with an auto ban, after mass reporting
“Treat others with respect. For example, no:
Harassment or abuse directed at a specific person or group, including but not limited to, sexual harassment and gender identity-based harassment”
Either kick ‘im, or let us know this is just another Nazi bar.
https://clearsky.app showing top 5 blocked accounts and then i clicked on #2 which was this jesse person which led me back to their page here
If you’re a bar owner and you know someone starts fights in other bars, you pre-emptively ban the guy.
Same deal.
But also yes, he has already engaged in transphobia and declared that he’s gonna brigade here.
but i think this is more akin to “threats of violence are sufficient, we need not wait until violence has been done.” singal has said his plan is to bring his followers and make trans ppl feel unwelcome here. he’s announced his plan to harass.
Why do you think he should have to do it on this specific platform before being told to fuck off?
If they’re a known quantity, why do they deserve chances, and why doesn’t the userbase deserve protection from a known bad actor?