"So that can be a major problem when you're driving in the wintertime because if snow builds up right here, the headlights are going to be completely blocked."
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Perhaps, and work with me here, the engineers realized that this feature was not a problem since a battery fire would melt any snow blocking the front lights?
With the amazing new Safetyfire™ feature from Tesla, you never need to worry about seeing or being seen! The flames from your mobile furnace are visible from up to 15km away at night, making it super easy for other road users to avoid you and for rescuers to recover your charred corpse!
Somebody in the Theranos documentary commented that the Silicon Valley "fake it till you make it"/"move fast and break things" ethos is okay when you're making, like, a phone app, but it's disastrous for things that have to actually work or people die.
Elizabeth Holmes scammed money out of some terrible people while doing a Steve Jobs imitation, and a bunch of people seemed to see the scam as clever and even feminist because most of the commentary was about the boardroom drama with little or no attention paid to real patients Theranos victimized.
Heh, someone replied "😡" and then blocked me for this. Uh, okay. Can I really not say that Musk runs worse-than-typical tech companies, based on my own 25 years elsewhere in tech, and his transparently malevolent incompetence, without pissing someone off? Sheesh, can't win.
The funny thing is, that approach actually works well for rockets (as long as they are unmanned). SpaceX is a genuine technical triumph. Tesla, these days, is practically a meme stock.
They’re not, as someone else points out.
But they’re also very overvalued and that is relevant because maintaining that inflated state drives decisions like rushing half baked designs like the Cybertruck to market.
By the way, if Tesla launches a cheaper compact vehicle next year, BYD could be in big trouble. Tesla typically owns the segments they enter. For example, the Model Y is the best selling car in the world.
Yes, and if it had wings and ate hay it could be the world's first flying cow.
Tesla is not launching a "cheaper compact vehicle" next year. They've given up on the vaporware promises they're doing that, that they usually made every year or so. And prices at launch are always higher than promised.
That is including hybrids (ICE vehicles). If you only look at pure BEVs, Tesla is still dominant.
And this is despite the fact that Tesla sells in higher price segments than BYD. BYD sells some very cheap BEVs, but Tesla is still outselling them, particularly in revenues and profits.
nonsense, the ford pinto was an incredibly safe design that was stripped down over and over because of price concerns until it became the least safe design
this was just always dumb bullshit from a moron. I'd design a better car
By the numbers the Pinto was completely average for its time. What made them unsafe was they were a compact car designed like a midsize car in an era where mid size cars were *checks notes* over twenty feet long, had stopping distances measured in significant fractions of a mile, and weighed 3 tons.
My issue is that vehicles without mechanical door handles are deathtraps. People keep dying because theyre unable to escape the vehicle in an emergency.
Couple in my area suddenly, where they do winter testing. So almost certainly doing their 1st Winter Testing, not before release like every other vehicle.
"Can't imagine that didn't think about it, but if they did it's a bad design." No shit. These cars were designed to ONLY be driven in California and a straight road in the desert. That's it.
This has become a major issue with all vehicles with LED headlamps; they don’t produce heat like halogen/HID headlamps, so the snow doesn’t melt. Sure; it’s aggravated by the stupidity of having the bumper act as a shelf for snow to accumulate, but it’s a pain in the butt trying to keep them clear.
You'd have a point if these death machines didn't also burst into flames if it goes through a puddle or completely shut down if it gets wet. Or have issues with being unable to access the door handle if there's ice. These were not built to exist in places that get precipitation or cold weather.
I kinda feel like the headlights are in fact not amazing if they were designed to be unusable in snowy weather. I think they might actually just be bad headlights in fact
Maybe they have to put it in Car Wash Mode (tm) if it starts snowing, for fear of snowmelt bricking it like a 2011 iPhone that got dropped in a toilet.
Not even just during snow storms - many major roads will be salted if temperatures expected to dip below freezing - while protective coating for the steel is an expensive optional extra. I wouldn't be surprised if the warranty excludes corrosion damage if CT not washed after every winter journey...
You understand how having a recessed shelf like that with the lights is different from most other vehicles, right? Like you understand how that is fundamentally worse than other cars in snowy conditions? Or are you doing a bit to pretend like you don't understand?
The problem with the Pinto that gets to much attention was the same problem that pretty much every car of its class had: the small size and design of the vehicle did not protect the fuel tank well.
More recent analysis after the whole media/legal frenzy showed that it was not abnormally dangerous.
There's one of those things in my neighborhood and I shudder every time I see it. But at least it's a more obvious warning of a driver to avoid than Truck Nutz or various bumper stickers.
JerryRigEverything mentioned this in his video about the CyberTruck along with the fact that the light bar up at the top there shines up into the snow and makes it look like you're going warp speed in space https://youtu.be/Q-6PjMHfjBg?t=234
Headlights are important because you need to be able to see where you're going when the steering wheel falls off.
When the accelerator gets stuck just close your eyes. You're doomed so it doesn't matter.
“So don’t drive your rugged all terrain vehicle at night when it’s snowing. Two things that coincide very often during wintertime in parts of the world that has winter.”
Check.
It’s not a truck—- it’s a show piece. Drive it on Sundays, only in good weather, keep a cover on it so it won’t get dusty and “TRY” to look cool you dummies
There’s some dipshit driving one where I live up north in Canada. We’ve had a couple feet of snow in the past two days. I wonder how that’s working for him.
The headlights are great ..... so long as you ignore this kne massive glaring flaw that the idiot in charge of tesla no doubt didn't let his engineers come up with a solution for cause he wanted his car drawn by a 3 year old
They used rims that repeatedly ate the tires whenever you hit a rut. Like they never actually hired *anyone* w real design experience or, i dunno, test drove it off-track. Twits.
I'm pretty sure everyone who designed it has never lived anywhere with inclement weather.
Even Ford runs into this issue sometimes and they've been doing it for a century, but Tesla didn't learn from anyone else they just do things differently for the sake of being different.
As someone who has lived in a cold climate most of my life the number of ways Tesla cars are designed for warm and not cold climates over the years is both fascinating and concerning
They will "fix" this by custom designing a sleek cow catcher attachment to shove hapless pedestrians off to the side of the road. Gotta protect the finish on the hood.
This is what happens when designers don’t respect the experience embodied in traditional designs. “Thinking outside the box” misses good stuff inside the box.
It’s also why skiamorphs happen. Traces of an old “redundant”feature remain because it served other unintended functions that were not redundant. Who knew that the “redundant” radiator grille on an EV also served to ensure the headlights weren’t put in a stupid place?
As a graphic designer, I know exactly how this went. The design came from Elon, who would have overrode any useful or contrary design feedback. This wouldn’t have made it out of the prototype phase at any other company, but the richest man in the world gets what he wants, no matter how stupid.
My husband bought his Tesla before Elon went completely cuckoo bananas. He'd wanted it/saved for it for years. It's a POS. I hate it. And now we're stuck with it. It sucks hairy ass. It doesn't do snow/ice/rain well, it glitches a LOT & it's impossible to keep clean.
Saw this on TikTok yesterday. I'm consistently awed by the ability of people to be duped. This car is not just sinfully ugly, it's so poorly designed that it makes everyone who actually paid money for it look idiotic.
Wow! When you drive in the snow, you need to keep the headlights clear. What a revelation who'd have ever imagined that. I'm not a musk fan-boy in any way, but let's be reasonably sensible here. They're LED headlights. They don't melt the snow off. Common issue.
It's almost like the "Go fast and break stuff" tech mentality doesn't really work well went applied to vehicles. I'm all for disruption, but you first have to understand what you're disrupting. "Let's skip testing and pre-production" hasn't worked great, those steps are a thing for a reason.
Isn't it thought? Most cars don't have their headlights in a slit between the hood and the top of the bumper and design them rounder, precisely because LED lights don't have the heat to melt snow. Or add separate heaters for that. Doesn't completely solve the issue, but doesn't exacerbate it either.
Interviews seems to confirm that. A lot of the design aspects were made against the advice of his own engineers.
Now I can’t confirm this, but I also believe something illegal must’ve been done for these to be sold. Modern pickups are bad enough, I don’t understand how the Cybertruck is roadworthy.
Failing to account for the fact that winter exists is a consistent theme for Tesla. I’m remembering all the videos of Tesla owners with hair dryers trying to thaw out their frozen door handles. Such a clown ass company, so of course their stock valuation vastly exceeds legitimate automakers
To be fair, when it gets really cold here, the doors and windows on my boring old Toyota Sienna freeze shut. It’s fun when you find out the window is frozen and you’re in a drive thru. Classic Canadian experience.
I’ve driven a Tesla since 2016 including -30 degrees in Lapland. It’s a really good winter car. On previous cars have had door handles frozen, brakes frozen, trunk frozen, grille clogged with snow, you name it.
That does not mean I don’t think Elon has become an idiot.
Anytime I make fun of Elon's terrible products the standard simp's response is "oh I thought you were for the environment? You loved Elon until he became conservative" and I'm like, wanting greener cars doesn't mean I want hunks of rusty combustible shit from a right wing crank
I thought Elon was pretty cool... up until he accused someone of being a pedophile for thinking his untested / unbuilt submarine was a bad idea to use to save children.
Then I realized he was a POS. Honestly I'm shocked it took this long for many people to catch up.
He went mask off pretty early and just kept getting worse, but simps had already bought his Cool Science Whiz persona and refused to accept reality. Then his daughter came out as trans and it fully broke his divorced bigot brain, and right wingers fell in love with him. Richest reply guy on earth
If I had unlimited $ and I wanted to save the kids in the cave, I would have asked the rescuers in Thailand what I could buy & ship to them ASAP. I wouldn’t think to design something totally new myself.
How on earth does the free market supposedly work when you have a company run by a drugged out, unstable troll, that builds $85,000 joke trucks that no one wants? How is the Telsa stock not in the trash bin?
This is the “free market.” This is how it works. When left unregulated, the natural tendency of capital is to be consolidated into fewer and fewer hands. Elon Musk was born rich and now has enough money to tank 10,000 car companies if he wanted to.
Brighter headlights aren't necessarily safer headlights, whether you're in a Tesla or just another idiot driving with your high beams on. I've encountered the latter more frequently.
Wow! I had no idea that when something builds up in front of a light source, it actually blocks the light! Especially when you need it most! Thanks so much for the PSA! Gold star for you!
I *think* that's just the refresh rate of the camera and the LED being out of sync. But seriously, like so many products, you can tell nobody ever considered that it would be used anywhere other than California.
Whomever buy these trash vehicles deserve everything they get. Yea, you have the money to buy it, do you have the brains to sell it? Inflated ego on wheels.
That's definitely an issue, but let's be honest here, that problem is related to modern led headlights, not just Cybertruck. The older incandescent headlights melted the snow. Leds don't.
In that case I have no idea what your argument was even supposed to be. I certainly haven't said or even remotely hinted towards that there's anything good about the Cybertruck. Every single one should be put into a compactor.
It’s one thing to have snow on your headlights when it’s been sitting or in extreme conditions. A flat service with a huge ledge at the bottom of your car guarantees it’s gonna get obscured in basically any snowy conditions.
If you’re driving in snow in literally any direction other than exactly the one the wind is actually blowing the snow’s gonna just pack into that space
It’s not just the ledge in front of the lights, it’s the combination with the ledge overhanging them that makes it stupid design
Yes, and a lot of cars have such headlights, but also even without that flat my 2005 Toyota Avensis gathered snow on the headlights in bad weather made clear by the high beams taking a moment to melt the snow when put on. I still don't see the benefit of acting like Cybertruck is the only bad car 🤷♂️
You literally can’t get a cybertruck on your whole continent dog. We only allow it in America cuz the only thing we love more than killing people with guns is killing them with shitty cars
I have at no point even remotely hinted towards this being a good design or that it's not a major problem. I've said that other cars have this problem too. As far as I'm concerned all such cars should be put in to a compactor ASAP.
Mine either. Designing primarily for warm-weather climates and releasing a half-assed doodle from Elon's notepad doesn't help the headlight situation, either.
I think people already look dumb driving these things but when you pay extra for a vanity plate and the only thing you can think to say about yourself is the kind of car you drive, which we can already see, you've entered a lower level of basicness.
Sounds like they need defrosters, new location, whatever, but over time bugs get worked out, which is a good reason to never buy the first year or two of a certain model.
“In other words—and this is the rock solid principle on which the whole of the Corporation’s Galaxy-wide success is founded—their fundamental design flaws are completely hidden by their superficial design flaws.” -Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
"I can't imagine they didn't think of this.."
I'm sure they did recognise that's a potential problem and just didn't bother offering any kind of solution.
Someone argued it away in a meeting sometime, the kind where a collective denial of reality sets in. I have been in such meetings before 🤣
It's Elon's Edsel and everyone just ignores the disaster.
The Tesla board should not, even though they are a bunch of Musk cronies. I think he stopped having car fun with the 3 and it's just been a problem child for him ever since. Might have been when he lost his mind though, so...
I shared this with another user too, but I feel like the overall concern is due to the recessed design, both Cybertruck and Rivians suffer from this and more cars are taking the same design cues.
Everyone, make sure to scrape off ice and brush snow off before you go out and drive safe.
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Are Tesla and SpaceX dominant in their respective markets or not? Is Tesla the #1 EV manufacturer if you ignore the stock price?
But they’re also very overvalued and that is relevant because maintaining that inflated state drives decisions like rushing half baked designs like the Cybertruck to market.
Tesla is not launching a "cheaper compact vehicle" next year. They've given up on the vaporware promises they're doing that, that they usually made every year or so. And prices at launch are always higher than promised.
And this is despite the fact that Tesla sells in higher price segments than BYD. BYD sells some very cheap BEVs, but Tesla is still outselling them, particularly in revenues and profits.
this was just always dumb bullshit from a moron. I'd design a better car
My issue is that vehicles without mechanical door handles are deathtraps. People keep dying because theyre unable to escape the vehicle in an emergency.
Called the fire department on itself and they couldn't get in to get the people out because of how they're meant to be impenetrable and inescapable.
Really??
I think the Cybertruck is a waste of money and that Musk is an idiot, but please think before you share your "gotcha" moment
Other cars: lights get blocked when it snows
And of course the license plate is “CYBATWUK” because they’re all a perfect circle of man-babies
OMG these morons are too much, really 🤣🤣🤣
For all the problems this vehicle has been proven to have, just get a license plate that says “dethtwap” or “moneypit”.
More recent analysis after the whole media/legal frenzy showed that it was not abnormally dangerous.
God, these things are so horribly made too. For an electric car they make the most horrible noises when they break.
https://youtu.be/cYC_IqUyfKM?si=jNguH0QDapllh8I6
When the accelerator gets stuck just close your eyes. You're doomed so it doesn't matter.
Check.
‘Who’s my best cybatwuk? Are you my gorgeous cybatwuk? Yes, you are. You are.’
😎
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Bro they didn’t even think they were going to need a windshield wiper.
Even Ford runs into this issue sometimes and they've been doing it for a century, but Tesla didn't learn from anyone else they just do things differently for the sake of being different.
Well, that makes exactly one of us...
Kidding, guys.
Of course they didn’t!!
Now I can’t confirm this, but I also believe something illegal must’ve been done for these to be sold. Modern pickups are bad enough, I don’t understand how the Cybertruck is roadworthy.
Headlights work fine though.
I think it’s worse that one needs a weird manual release thing that my kids wouldn’t be able to figure out just to exit manually. Bad enough for me.
That does not mean I don’t think Elon has become an idiot.
Epic Games following along with the ruling ideology of the state as always.
Then I realized he was a POS. Honestly I'm shocked it took this long for many people to catch up.
But then, I bet I’m a lot smarter than Musk.
Once you find out he died of probably-treatable cancer because he thought he was smarter than his oncologists, though...
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/behind-the-bastards/id1373812661?i=1000648054218
https://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-interactive/2024/apr/11/evs-are-booming-but-electric-bikes-are-really-cutting-emissions
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https://bsky.app/profile/grovester.bsky.social/post/3lcdaaarxfc2n
Cue a million Musk fanboys, “Why are you living in a part of the country that has snow?”
That’s not the entire point of them, and blinding other drivers is nearly as bad as no headlights at all.
It’s not just the ledge in front of the lights, it’s the combination with the ledge overhanging them that makes it stupid design
Also, I’m obsessed with that license plate tbh
Also I can't wait to see the post winter results after driving through salted roads.
I’m shocked!! 🤣🤣🤣
I'm sure they did recognise that's a potential problem and just didn't bother offering any kind of solution.
Someone argued it away in a meeting sometime, the kind where a collective denial of reality sets in. I have been in such meetings before 🤣
The Tesla board should not, even though they are a bunch of Musk cronies. I think he stopped having car fun with the 3 and it's just been a problem child for him ever since. Might have been when he lost his mind though, so...
seems like this would have come up
Everyone, make sure to scrape off ice and brush snow off before you go out and drive safe.