"It is fair to say that, but for the most robust Labour Party supporters, the arrival of Keir Starmer’s government has been an exasperating disappointment.
All over social media, Labour voters are threatening to put their cross elsewhere; but where?"
All over social media, Labour voters are threatening to put their cross elsewhere; but where?"
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Just a few of the reasons people who voted Labour are disappointed.
Starmer needs to forget the "red wall". Those racists will always vote for the fag-ash Führer rather than an imitation.
I will forgive them for almost anything else at the moment.
Anything but the three Tory parties.
"But they have no chance of winning"..
I no longer care because having bust a gut to ensure Labour won, we can see it made no difference whatever.
Give your vote to those who deserve it.
Where's he going?
Which way does he face?
Does he realise he can't face both ways?
What the fuck is he doing at home?
In this new world the red lines no longer exist.
Or any explanation of why denying benefits to disabled people is a particularly 'moral' thing to do.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/benefit-cuts-labour-pip-payments-disabilities-keir-starmer-b1217037.html
You don't just rock up to your GP and immediately get PIP.
Best most sensible post on this thread. Thank you 👌🏻
Uk needs a breather and rebuild
It will take time
Just hope voters sees it
Or uk will go back to far right ideology and destruction
From which the Uk will never recover
Will still check what get them out advises though!
Broxbourne is fascist, so Tory or reform to be beaten.
Until Labour comes back to the left side of centre, that’s the way it’s going to be.
Lobbying firms, donations, media, cronyism, wealth tax, Lords, voting, EU, reverse privatisations.......
All I've seen so far is tinkering at the edges.
Massive majority = Wasted opportunity.
Take a look at what they project(ed) onto Corbyn and you will see who they are.
Destructive people, dead behind the eyes people, cannot have constructive visions/actions.
Vote tactically to pile on maximum pressure.
BlueSky included now a dustbin of hate and disillusioned voters who have to face a less binary choice.
They now need to be truly engaged in politics whereas before they just would sit around and bitch about it
It’s a painful adolescence for UK
Everytime Labour announce something and I think, 'that's more like it' the very next announcement makes me think, 'nope'.
Problem is just hating on labour without any strategy will probably clear the path for a tory reform coalition!
We wouldn't want that would we?
With SM & CU membership the absolute minimum.
They will lose millions of votes in the next election as they're nothing but another rich man's Tory party now.
Do you really prefer them over Lab ?
Do you actually think they’d do a better job of sorting the mess they deliberately left behind ?
I am, (very politely) gobsmacked ..
Not too late for him to change course.
I genuinely don’t get it, even if you do perceive Labour to be ‘Tory lite’ (NB a right wing MsM and a far left - ‘label’)
Would you have honestly preferred the last 8m under the Tories ?
Just depends which has the best chance locally.
Even if they did, how many seats required to form legislation?
I voted Alliance and probabaly will again
The countries skiils gap is now vast.
How many seats will Lib dems need to form legislation?
Memories seem very short.
This 2010 essay in The Guardian (from the day after the coalition agreement) predicts this explicitly. 👇🏼
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/may/12/lib-dems-coalition-labour
"The fact that this government WILL HAVE to preside over the toughest deficit reduction spending round in decades"
Austerity was never required, it was 100% a political choice and the one the Lib Dems chose to not only back but to wilffuly endorse
Ed Milliband also pledged to continue public service cuts, should Labour have won the 2015 General Election.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/uk-news/labour-will-keep-austerity-says-miliband-2001458
I was always, and continue to be, willing to vote for any party whose leadership and powers behind the throne reject hate, if they're best placed to defeat parties that do not.
It is Labour who have made the choice here.
Labour benefitted massively from tactical voting last time.
It's basically disregarded all those people who voted for it and squandered that advantage.
That's on Starmer, not those voters.
The left needs to learn from the right and realise that seperate, similar parties do not win elections. Which is why the right have been in power for far more of the time.
They really only lost this time because of Reform.
1) Unite against them
2) Pander to them
Sadly Labour seems to be taking option 2.
That's driving increased division between the centre & even the moderate left.
Psndering to Farage & the far-right just makes them stonger
Britain endured 14 years of shithousery and now it appears the keyboard warriors here want to let us have the FartRage Fascists in power! 🤦🏻
Govt's 'pivot left'?
🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦 But we aren't voting this time....
DOH.........
I have blocked their emails though
And I’ll almost certainly read something Trump has said.
I voted LD last yr, too. Labour has abandoned pro-Europeans, ppl with disabilities, poor children, trans ppl… The betrayals go on & on.
Perfect opportunity to change the narrative, and they appear clueless.
If they don't change something Farage will be in (he'll likely be "too old" for UK voters by the following election)
What a mess.
My newbie Labour MP is following the party line on Disability Benefits & I'm scared.
I wont survive the cuts.
Daft.
You don’t expect politicians to love you.
It isn’t what they are for.
However 3 key things:
1. Media ecosphere generally right wing & traditional labour folk have let them dictate the narrative.
2. Tory handover an absolute sh£t sandwich.
3. Voters expectations way too high & unrealistic
All of those should be red lines. But there seems to be a fair few similar to yourself who are turning a blind eye to the devastation.
Not one good thing makes up for it.
My life is not transactional like that.
I'm so sorry it means aim ignoring any good stuff, but I can't see how I'll be here then.
Just to help you understand WHY
All I will say I was diagnosed with cancer a few years ago and was lucky enough to catch it early ,it was a pretty rotten time but I had to keep working during my treatment because I had no choice .
But glad you made it!
But I am increasingly convinced that the most important thing UK needs to do is to firmly & confidently bring in some strong red-blooded social democracy - to mitigate illness, disadvantage & misfortune and reduce income and wealth inequality. Raising benefit payments boosts growth!
And yes, better, but still disappointing.
Maybe it has to go bad & not safe for several years before it can turn back to good and safe again.
Voted Green for the first time.
The last time I didn't vote Labour was 1997.
Hasn't Brexit or the apathy in the USA Elections shown you what happens when you smack yourself in the face?
Thus; I'd prefer the 'fagman' and his louts never see another penny from the UK taxpayers.
I do 'understand' no party OWNS me. Hence, I am pro active with my local politician(s) and they understand where they are with me
And it's the most robust party on rejoining the EU, trans rights, ending Israel's genocide in Gaza, environmental protections, workers rights, economic growth....
And it's not 'owned' like all the other parties.
I’m happy to be wrong on this but, I fear they’ll use reform as the protest 🤦🏼♂️
Like I said, extremely inept!
Greens for me!
A family legend has it that Keir Hardy stayed at my great grandmother’s house when he came to Bradford to launch the party.
My grandfather, crippled by emphysema contracted from labouring outdoors, never failed to vote Labour in any election.
Sad times.
They've increased borrowing by £20 billion
Huge investment in public services, big minimum wage increase, employment rights Act, fall in NHS waiting times etc
They (Labour) have taken us all for granted.
No more!!
I couldn't vote Lib Dem until Nick Clegg is actually dead and buried.
Just look what a great job Clegg did at Facebook...
We have FPTP. There is no revolution coming so...
Now what?
I've voted Labour for 44 years, but the missed opportunity cost of Starmer's pussyfooting is too much to bear. Green for me.
LD push for Europe makes it a great option for youth but again, the number of seats they would require to form policy would require a massive event.
Public want massive change with no personal disruption.
Yeah we took your data but what can you do now?
...Unlike Labour winning a *majority* government in 2001 - pledging no increases to tuition fees in their manifesto that year - and then later increasing tuition fees in 2003.
http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/2001/2001-labour-manifesto.shtml
It was basically *Labour's* Robin Cook who introduced tuition fees, under Tony Blair.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-students-have-been-misled-and-lied-to-for-20-years
I don't see you defending Clegg reneging on his pledge on tuition fees.
The Tories were 20 short of a majority. The LD's did a dirty deal, enabled them to form one and sold down the river all the people who voted LD as an alternative because they didn't want a Tory Government.
Trust is hard earned and easily lost
Green!