I’ve tried to understand why Americans doesn’t understand that healthcare is a basic human right & shouldn’t be for profit. You lot pay for Israel to have national healthcare, but you don’t have it. That’s mental!
Neither here nor there but what percentage of Israel's government budget do you believe is paid for by American tax dollars, and what what percentage of the US federal budget is consumed by aid to Israel?
(FWIW I agree that the american health care system is insane.)
The GOP & plenty of Dems refuse to subsidize US health care because their constituency doesn't want a penny of their taxes going to brown or Black people of any hue for any reason.
Buying a trip to eternal heaven? Now that's worth ponying up any amount of cash here in the Good Ol' US of A.
Same with our public schools budgets (a system created by freed Black Americans for ALL kids) being defunded time & time again. If Black ppl benefit from it, non-Black Americans will vote in droves to tear it down.
Lmao, and funding is tied to the zip codes the school serves....but poor people are kept out of certain zip codes or rather or funneled into the same zip codes....
By underwriting their defense budget, we allow them to use tax dollars on domestic services. No austerity to fund the war effort.
It’s the argument we use when it applies to aid to other countries we don’t like (giving $ to support civil society in Iran = giving $ to the regime to build nukes).
I am not sure you'd find the same link in Europe. But part of the difference is I think because the European image of a citizen is generally a whiter one.
People are more supportive of funding government programs when they see it as helping “our own” and not “the other” so much. This explains in part why social welfare programs in Europe have increasingly become points of contention in funding and other ways when countries become more heterogeneous.
It’s the racism. “If we make healthcare universal, those n-words will have it too, and we don’t want that!” And this isn’t hyperbole when you consider drain pool politics in the US 😩
the easiest way to explain it is when gay marriage became legal, the conservatives first instinct in america was to take away marriage from everyone and redefine it as a religious ritual because if straight people couldnt have it to themselves nobody could.
Universal healthcare doesn’t have political support bc politicians and employers are able to (occasionally correctly) tell people that it would be more expensive than the current system and use the classic “why should you pay for a crackhead’s medical bill?” Which works on a LOT of people.
Where is the physical proof that a national healthcare system would be more expensive than what you currently have?
A broken foot shouldn’t cause anyone to become bankrupt & or homeless. & I’m not debating this with anyone.✌🏽
Politicians on both sides received campaign contributions from United Healthcare's PAC. This is the reason universal healthcare will never happen in the U.S.
There is basically no way to overstate the degree to which racism and misogyny effect US politics, and until 70 or so years ago, our entire political, social and economic systems were openly operating to prevent people who weren't white men from accessing wealth. It's a control method.
Probably is impossible because of politics involved. Insurance/ healthcare industry & lobbiests and politicians they support or pay will scare the shit out of people who in turn will “revolt” out of fear.
1993 Clinton universal healthcare plan was shot down, was ridiculed by Congress
What’s also despicable within the US is the military personnel who fight in the endless wars, get hurt, maimed, go back home & aren’t taken care of properly. I’ve seen the adverts on telly with injured soldiers begging for money to help take of them. That’s unconscionable. 😳
It seems to be lost on the poorest that they always have to pay for the cuts. The inequality is glaring. There’s always enough money for wars & tax cuts for the rich, & the poorest people have to shoulder the burden/debt. This isn’t sustainable, which is probably why that CEO lost his life😬.
I watched a documentary on American "health care" years ago. Amazing the number of Americans interviewed who said "my taxes shouldn't pay for somebody else's medical bills." Mind blowing attitude.
> Whereas the violence of the oppressors prevents the oppressed from being fully human, the response of the latter to this violence is grounded in the desire to pursue the right to be human.
— Paulo Freire, Pedagogy of the Oppressed
He had a wife & children who are now reeling from loss; I can empathize.
But it seems this act likely stemmed from extraordinary frustration, rage, & grief at being denied necessary care—and boy, can I empathize with that too.
I didn’t say I felt sorry for her. She married a man who had no qualms about burdening hapless patients with huge medical bills in the name of “shareholder value”. Just that I can understand that she’s got a helluva rough road; I wouldn’t want to be in her shoes right now.
It could be bait. He was being investigated and he was going to be giving DOJ an interview about a rather TOO lucrative "healthcare" company. It would be a shame if some disgruntled customer killed him, at least for him.
the ABC news article is just like "we have no idea what this means but it could point to his motives" and lawyers definitely couch stuff in "it could be this" language lol so i think it's fine to say could. personally!! lmao
A friend had to allow an average of 3 hrs per phone call because every medical claim for her newborn routinely denied till she got to the top of a managerial chain. Purchased specifically before birth because they knew he'd need immediate surgery & followup for perforated diaphragm.
The other side to why many doctors don't accept insurance. Charge the patient, complete HCFA for the patient, patient submits his/her own claim, patient is reimbursed. Many doctors have closed or sold their struggling practices to hospital systems because of insurance greed.
Well, looks like it’s begun. Private security contractors are going to get a lot more contracts in the coming days, and we’ll likely see them engaging in the kind of violence previously reserved for cops, likely without consequence too.
I hope they get him, and there are multiple cameras and trails to him. Can't wait to hear his ridiculous response for killing somebody's family member just for nothing!💔❤️🩹🇺🇲Justice for the deceased!
How many people - members of other families - died because this mans greedy policies towards insurance claims and pre-authorizations?
His policies and actions directly result in early deaths of customers of his company - this is an indisputable fact. What about justice for those people?
That company will still stand carrying out those same policies. And it's victims from the past, present, and future need compensation, not a vigilante/assassination. That man's life could have been ruined another way. The young man's life is now destroyed but not that company that's set up.
Shooting that man only left his seat vacant for someone else to run that same company. Victims or their families all need to come together wherever they're located and file lawsuits to be compensated/avenged.
You should read up on the history of organized labor and banking, especially during the Great Depression. It was very violent. Anarchists bombed the NYSE for example
One of the reasons industries agreed to government oversight was to stem the violence being directed at businesspeople.
I hope they never find him and that a chill ran up the spines of every CEO who has gotten wealthy causing harm to innocent people, just like this man did.
If the rich were subject to violence like the poor, they would do something about gun control. I do not in any way condone violence but it certainly caught the media's attention.
Anyone eager to dehumanize the victim automatically loses any shred of credibility when they claim to be for the betterment of society. You're acting far worse than the myopic, selfish humans blamed for our society's problems. Murder is NEVER okay unless its okay for someone to murder YOU.
I hate insurance companies as much as anyone. We had a premie baby and they put my wife and I through hell getting claims paid. Aetna added stress for many years on top of the trauma we endured. Yet this guy is a sick murderer that makes them all look like angels, period. Stop defending him!
I don’t mean to belittle this sad event but I wonder if the demand for private security has increased for health insurance industry personnel. Maybe folks have reached the breaking point.
Funny how those who self-righteously wring their hands about the public shrugging off this guy's death have never expressed any concern about the many who have died as a direct result of this guy's practices as a CEO.
This is an important event, actually.
Obviously, the crime victim lived inside
a fortified bubble of wealth & privilege.
The bubble failed to protect him.
Or did they? Remembering the NYC FBI from earlier events. If they did, was the guy a(nother) disgruntled young man recruited to help out? It's tough to trust any story these days.
Well... This might be what starts to happen when corporations and businesses prioritize profits over people... Sad to say it's come to this... But it clearly looks like this is the case... 🤔
As a longtime healthcare worker and recipient of insurance denials I often wondered when someone would hit the breaking point,but I still believe violence isn’t the answer.
I spent my very long life fighting for many of my family members and myself. It’s not right. Healthcare is broken we all know that.
The pen is mightier than the sword -Edward Bulwer-Lytton, but writing doesn’t seem to do much anymore.
Non-violent isn’t either but when someone mentally breaks, who is to say there was even a logical way? They were probably mentally/spiritually exhausted and had nothing to lose.
Violence isn’t not an option tho… people have been peaceful and sat back and let their lives be ruined over the drowning medical debt while this CEO utilized an AI that decided if your claims were denied or not like flipping a coin with peoples lives. People don’t care until they’re uncomfortable
And those who run for-profit health care corporations that embrace a business model that kills (or destroys) lives in the name of profit should not be absolved.
There was a school shooting yesterday that left two kindergarteners fighting for their lives. A school shooting that so far has barely made it into the news cycle. Yet a CEO being shot is getting wall to wall coverage. Just wondering what this says about priorities in this country.
Imagine defending a private entity that literally makes a profit off of dying people, that same entity that helps fund the problem you’re literally complaining about
When health insurance buys out congress and can write their own regulations and laws (quite literally) I don’t see how this healthcare system isn’t tyrannical. Definitionally.
That was a hired hitman or someone paying a vendetta on the actions of what a company did to impact his life. They should be asking his peers on the board tons of questions (jealous and envy) run rampant at the top of corporations....just think American Psycho.
I was here well before this place was flooded with liberal pearl clutchers that couldn't care less about the millions of people that are made to suffer because of people like Robinson.
That's actual callousness. What happened yesterday was justice.
Last night I heard the press conference and that they found three casings and three bullets. That stood out to me and thought the gun jammed or something but I’m not familiar with guns. Now this makes sense
I'm certain this is the man who told the news and the police he "didn't hear anything unusual." So he didn't see nothing and didn't hear nothing either.
This the level of minding my business I'm doing in 2025
Ok that's you specifically a sizable portion of gun violence is carried out using illegally obtained guns meaning ppl apparently aren't having that hard of a time getting their hands on them
oh boy imagine the press and publicity and admiration some angry disenfranchised loner could get if they took out a billionaire with them wouldn’t that be so horrible and shocking??? I don’t think I could ever dea with that :(
Guns aren't the problem. Look at any state with heavy gun control laws, find lots of gun violence and crime. People used to take loaded guns to school in younger america, and there weren't mass shootings then.
The person who did this is a FN HERO. If you've ever watched a loved on battle cancer, that is treatable yet get denied chemo as unnecessary and you have to watch them find money to pay and survive out of pocket then you wouldn't understand. The Revolution has begun.
Sad for him and his loved ones, but had he lived, he would have had to deal with the crappy United Health coverage. (read: lack of it!) Worst coverage I have ever had...
I have a piece coming out tomorrow on our family’s ongoing fight for coverage for a surgery #cigna cancelled, that my daughter desperately needs. She’s 5’6” and now down to 98#s. Have been assured since Sept all the negotiations will be done any day now…I’m terrified for her.
I'm truly sorry to hear about the challenges you're facing with your daughter's surgery being cancelled by #cigna. I can only imagine how scary this must be for you.
Please share it with us in #Bluesky.
Precisely. I have been on the receiving end of insurers mistreating claimants. I have every reason to be as angry if not angrier than this nut job. This shooter is evil. People that sympathize with him because they're mad about healthcare is exponentially grosser than insurance companies' actions.
No they are not. “healthcare” in this country has killed millions in the name of profits. They are mass killers with the law on their side. He was also being investigated for insider trading. I guess there is no such thing as enough money for these people.
Insurance violence is a big deal and some good journalists are covering what mass reactions on social media says about this tipping point we’ve reached. Our voices are a response to a collection of over-insulated privileged groups profiting off of healthcare violence on the masses.
It’s a false argument to suggest anyone making satire out of this situation supports murder or gun crime. This is a cementing of voices against regulators and officials failing us, usually because they have a stake in healthcare profits supply chain and lobbying.
He was being investigated by the DOJ for insider trading. Now he's dead and conveniently the casings were engraved ...OK. UHC is notorious for hiring and firing CEOs who have glorious departure packages.
With that guy about to get rid of the ACA & them privatizing Medicare it’s gonna get worse for the rich & powerful. No way this person didn’t have help with this. This will be an organized movement.
so he had to have two pieces of information: where the guy was staying and what time the meeting was so as to position himself so close and so timely. I'm going to say the wife was involved, was on phone with hubby until he said he had to depart, then called shooter. hypothesis
The guy that did the shooting because I’m knowledgeable is a trained Firearms person either military police or self trained, but definitely trained by his technique
I think we’ve entered the Bane/Batman universe, I think we’re about to see the leaders of corrupt businesses go through “trial by fire” or “judged by the people” type situations
Oh definitely and a bunch of news anchors are going to massively commit suicide under Trump. Just wait and see. It’s funny how the media thinks that they still have jobs come 2025 even Joe and Mika all Trump‘s gonna do is replace them
Not that I necessarily want it to - but if there's public open execution of a few more jagoff CEOs who's primary goal seems to be to screw over way too many people - then perhaps those surviving CEOs might rethink their takes / positions on things such as.. kindness, humanity, and decency.
Nah they will just build more compounds, hire more security, and lobby to change laws to get police to protect them even more, all while complaining that they shouldn't be taxed.
Oh I fully agree, it won't work. But these people didn't get where they were by being introspective and trying to do better for their fellow man. Being self serving is all they know
True.. but seeing a few of their colleagues downed by shards of metal tearing through their vital organs might spawn at least some of them to.. reevaluate their decisions.
All they have to do is find someone denied coverage (or family member or friend) who also has access to a gun. Easy peasy, can’t be more than a few million.
I'm sorry no one should be assassinated but I could see someone reaching that point. Had United Healthcare once-they gipped me out of almost 25,000 and just plain suck. Being a frequent flier of our wonderful healthcare system I could see why.
I have had so many claims denied last couple of years its insane. They have an intermediary company deny many claims. Thousands of dollars out of pocket almost broke me. I'm not on UHC, but they held many people in my area hostage as they refused to work with Prisma health. I get the frustration.
Hmm.. such a mystery why someone would do this.. could one reason be because UH went from $300 a month for insurance for a family of 3, to $1300 a month. And that’s insurance through a job! I won’t even get into all the other outrageous costs for basic human health care.
I work with medical facilities all over the country and providers will get services pre-authorized and perform those services based on that auth, UHC will deny the claim stating “no benefits available”. But if you don’t get a prior authorization it’s “denied for no prior auth”.
This is a portion of denial letter for a suicidal teen making progress in a recovery center… due to them making progress United healthcare denied their claims… because they did well with staff and their peers UNITED HEALTHCARE wasn’t going to pay. Deny Defend Depose? 🤔
It’s terrible that a family has lost a loved one but I understand how it has happened. Desperate people do desperate things & aside from the millionaires and billionaires in America who haven’t a care in the world, there are countless people that are feeling desperate and despondent. It’s a sign.
For almost every serial killer story, a calling card is left. The fact that this killer/vigilante intentionally left the bullets with writing on them; imo states… he’s not done with his work.
He started with the biggest insurance whale… we just have to wait & see what happens next.
I wonder if this story will end with the assassin being terminally ill and not having to see an arrest or jail cell. Or hopefully he/she/they can hit up a few more CEOs. We know where the CEO of Tesla is staying🤞🏾
Dead CEO's don't get gigantic payouts and golden parachutes so if you think about it from United Health Cares investors' perspective, there really is no down side.
After the shooting he walked directly in front of a parked car. You can see the brake lights get tapped as he walked past it on his way into the street.
Hope people are not stupid enough to believe this level of ignorance. I mean unless he specifically set down 3 unfired bullets that he had put that message on it is total bunk.
This shooter did everything not to get caught or be identified he did not put a message on bullets.
I keep waiting for some parent that loses a child in a school shooting to snap, and then start sniping the NRA leaders and elected officials that refuse to address gun violence.
People should not take the law into their own hands. Having said that, this happens to more CEO types over the next few years, people might take notice. It's not like the dead guy was good person, killed people with his pen, for the almighty dollar.
Is it wrong that this man's death doesn't bother me in the least, and that I hope the assassin never gets caught, and that just maybe these greedy corporate fucks might take notice? Is that wrong?
Yeah, once someone gets that rich off of human suffering you better do something. You know some US capitalists are leveling up their security starting this week.
No one would do this over just a claim. This would be a whole medical file with ongoing insurance violence in it, probably a multi-year saga with quality life impacts on a whole family along the way culminating in a death or self-deletion. Maybe a group saw this and took it on as their plight.
I feel sorry for his loved ones but that’s all I got. When I heard he was shot my first thought was ‘I wonder how many people died because UHC wouldn’t cover their meds or procedures.’
I read on a YouTube comment of a parent who held their 5yo as they died from cancer after having the live saving treatment denied by UHC. I hope that prick enjoys Hell.
This is right wing for sure. Why doesn't the new put this much attention on the murdered poor? A life only counts if it's rich? Do the world a favor ppl, for Everytime you post about this CEO, post TWO about the unsolved murders of someone poor & black.
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Deny not the truth of capitalism
Defend not capitalism
Depose of capitalism
(FWIW I agree that the american health care system is insane.)
Whackadoos only fund Israel bec they're hedging their Rapture bets & the million dollar so-called churches.
No one here blames Jews or Israel for the Rapture Cult. 1/2
Buying a trip to eternal heaven? Now that's worth ponying up any amount of cash here in the Good Ol' US of A.
It’s the argument we use when it applies to aid to other countries we don’t like (giving $ to support civil society in Iran = giving $ to the regime to build nukes).
They just have the colonial 'natural rights' idea instead, which says power gets to do whatever it wants and fuck you.
https://jspp.psychopen.eu/index.php/jspp/article/view/4953
But I'm not sure if that's what you mean.
Thats how we are about a lot of things.
A broken foot shouldn’t cause anyone to become bankrupt & or homeless. & I’m not debating this with anyone.✌🏽
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/unitedhealth-group/summary?id=D000000348
and i say then how do other countries do it
the only thing they ever say to that is "yeah but we're not them"
the america=special mythology is hard to break
1993 Clinton universal healthcare plan was shot down, was ridiculed by Congress
We don't seem to learn ANYTHING from our past.
— Paulo Freire, Pedagogy of the Oppressed
He had a wife & children who are now reeling from loss; I can empathize.
But it seems this act likely stemmed from extraordinary frustration, rage, & grief at being denied necessary care—and boy, can I empathize with that too.
Bet the killer issues an explainer at some point.
Especially as a parent.
"Defy, condemn"
As long as you don't destroy
Them
Does New York City United Healthcare CEO Killer Look Like Timothée Chalamet?
Kylie Jenner’s boyfriend Timothée Chalamet recently visited a NYC look alike contest
https://gsavestheworld.com/does-new-york-city-united-healthcare-ceo-killer-look-like-timothee-chalamet/
As soon as I heard the victims job I thought passed off policy holder.
I get weeding out fraud but valid claims need to be paid.
Economic unbalance few super rich and masses of poor leads to violence.
His policies and actions directly result in early deaths of customers of his company - this is an indisputable fact. What about justice for those people?
One of the reasons industries agreed to government oversight was to stem the violence being directed at businesspeople.
This man and those like him are likely responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people just to pad his bottom line.
And if it proves to be that the perpetrator was motivated for that reason? Then it wasn't for nothing
Sad
I bet half of you imagine you're watching a series unfolding in real time.
Me:
Obviously, the crime victim lived inside
a fortified bubble of wealth & privilege.
The bubble failed to protect him.
If someone tried to harm a member of my family, and threatened their Life or Health, I would rush to their Aid and fight the aggresssor.
An insurance company can k**l your family member with a pen and a denial notice.
Is it wrong to fight for your family?
The pen is mightier than the sword -Edward Bulwer-Lytton, but writing doesn’t seem to do much anymore.
If the healthcare industry isn’t tyranny then I don’t know what is
Either way, it's biting back.
This is just 2A doing 2A’s thing. As intended.
Defend the people
Depose the patriarchy
Works for me.
This was personal.
Elon should really put his energy into servicing his defective cars, before…..
That's actual callousness. What happened yesterday was justice.
It sounds like an insurance company’s MO
Deny the claim
Defend the denial
Depose…litigate?
Me: No I’m sorry vision isn’t covered by my current plan. It was all a blur 😊
This the level of minding my business I'm doing in 2025
Legacy media will not report on:
How many die because the insurance delayed treatment?
How many die because they get denied?
How many go bankrupt because of high copays?
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/brain-surgery-insurance-company-denial_n_67336b5ce4b0d36d5d63a41e
Does New York City United Healthcare CEO Killer Look Like Timothée Chalamet?
Kylie Jenner’s boyfriend Timothée Chalamet recently visited a NYC look alike contest
https://gsavestheworld.com/does-new-york-city-united-healthcare-ceo-killer-look-like-timothee-chalamet/
Bet they didn’t mention that.
They literally wrote their own regulations and laws
He started with the biggest insurance whale… we just have to wait & see what happens next.
This shooter did everything not to get caught or be identified he did not put a message on bullets.
But it never was a big problem up to now 🙄
But if he didn’t want to get shot he should been wearing body armour.
But hey New York also banned silences to and we can see how effective that was.....