everyones relying on the courts stopping elon musk and trump right now but they’re just going to start straight up start ignoring the courts and judges soon
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They're actively dismantling the rule of law as fast as they can. Why does anyone think they'll take a quick break to...respect the rule of law? They are criminals. Criminaling. In flagrante defuckto.
yeah i think it's gonna be a lot of "reading the room" and i'm worried what that looks like under a russia-like scenario where trump removes all competent generals for yes-men.
Our only hope is that Trump overestimates the number of complicit generals and pulls the trigger early while we actually have a critical mass of Mark Milley types. If we ever had that many.
Elections were never going to save us. Courts were never going to save us. If we want to defeat the fascists, we’re all going to have to go out into the streets and fight them.
in many scenarios they'll keep appealing till they get a favorable ruling, it becomes "legal" without being legal because of sycophants interpreting it that way
And when all legal recourse fails, civil disobedience happens. And things escalate from there.
Why are you dooming about things that haven't happened yet? Be kind to your followers and yourself, sibling. Prepare for what's likely, but don't fall into the trap of expecting it.
Vance flat out said they were going to do that as far as removing the "administrative state" and replacing them with lackeys. He brought up the example of Andre Jackson doing the same thing which led to the Trail of Tears
They'll completely ignore all court timings they can get away with. They're pushing things to see what we'll let them do and what we should let them do is absolutely nothing https://youtu.be/1SeJdbzBACE?si=nWPBdPITpv2q4Y3P
Vance is "college educated." We've already had at least a generation of reactionaries operating under the "say whatever the professor wants in order to obtain a degree that makes you look legit" ideology.
How many officers will decide to do nothing in the name of "just following orders"?
They'll side with him largely because they want to. I know a few people who have served in the military who have told me how much indoctrination there is.
Well, I guess there's never been a war in American history where families and friends fought one another. Can you imagine brother fighting brother over differing ideals?
"We're respecting the Supreme Court's precedent of Worcester v. Georgia. No, not the part about respecting tribal sovereignty, the part where President Jackson told Marshall to go fuck himself."
I’m trying to imagine those judges having their court orders ignored. 🧐 I don’t they I’ve ever known a judge to let a court order be ignored? Help me out here. Anyone?
They wouldn't let it be ignored, the question is whether they'd be able to do anything. Trump could just send the military, presumably. That's if any cops would actually obey those orders.
And of course, if it gets appealed to the Supreme Court, you know what they'd do.
Musk is calling for the impeachment of judge Paul Engelmayer (and the impeachment of district judges in general) and this is probably the rhetoric they'll stick to. Call the judges corrupt and part of the problem
Seems more and more likely that they are just going to loot the 6 trillion or whatever treasury has to loot and completely collapse the govt and bring us to our knees. Meanwhile - Schumer and Hakeem are resting.
the occasionally surprising members of SCOTUS are too scared of getting Pelican Brief'd to hold him back this go around, the courts will ultimately endorse all this anyway
Yep. That's why it was so important to stop them from taking power. That's what makes them so different from anything before. That's what makes this an emergency.
I don't know about that. I have a little hope. Last Friday (2/7):
"US District Judge Engelmayer blocked Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency (DoGE) from accessing the personal financial data of millions of Americans in Treasury Department records..." https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjw4g2q62xqo
Yeah there's gonna have to be a forceful, unified protest response with the stakes made blindingly clear. People should start preparing themselves for this moment. Im going to buy a bunch of American flags to hand out when it happens because the images produced at such moments are extremely powerful
Yep, I keep trying to tell the people in my life that they can't just ignore what is going on and let it just get resolved by others. They need to get ready for just how bad things get. Support networks need to be established, to ensure that they/we don't end up statistics read about in forty years.
I for one am going to make a note of every time they ignore the law, and then claim legal precedent when I do the same crimes. "I think you'll find that in Musk VS State of California he didn't show up and faced no consequences, and thus so shall I. Thank you, have a great weekend."
maybe this is true but then they will be *defying court rulings* which takes everything up a notch. the crisis will be impossible for congress, journalists, normies to ignore or downplay
Soon? He's basically impossible to legally interact with if he doesn't want you to have access to him. Ask grimes lol, I'm sure she wants one or two of those kids back.
That's what I've been thinking and saying to a few people. It's good that they're so inept at trying to restructure things into whatever supremacist fantasy they're imagining but that will just make them come back harder and more brazen as they have this time around. Like, when the ICE raids they--
It’s good to slow them down, but facts are they are already planning there next steps.
We should see this as a captured government and start thinking beyond courts. They are
They don't realize that when this comes, all bets are off. Or maybe that's exactly what they want. No one would find any remaining incentive to follow any law, rule, or process except for pure self-preservation.
You would think so from all the Chicken Littles on this site but no, the judges have blocked nearly every EO with a TRO and DOGE is being hauled into court to answer for what they've done.
And I just got blocked for pointing out we are winning. MAGA TEARS are flowing and some of us can't read good.
Balkan War style. This video reminded me of our current domestic situation. We are in trouble. One side (Rs) considers the other a “primary adversary”. The other side (Dems) doesn’t see it yet. https://youtube.com/shorts/iLCwFGcjBmM?si=c8boyNPctMIhOlBt
Now, yes. But the liberals had several opportunities where they could have undermined the fascists by spending money in the right ways. Give enough money to allies or would-be allies and the fascists never would have dared.
But liberals chose to undermine themselves, giving money to their enemies.
The coup has only just begun. Their actions will get worse and worse, protests will get bigger, the response will be violent and inciting. It will just keep getting worse. The old ways are dead, you can't just hold a vote to make trump stop. It's going to get worse until we have no other option.
I get what you’re saying, and acknowledge that possibility as reasonably likely, but until peaceful revolution is impossible, violent revolution is a bad option, at least on the larger scale.
We literally couldn’t even get a plurality of people to oppose this on a secret ballot.
They can and will replace all existing structures with their own people. It’s private mercenaries they’re already working with, they can simply drastically expand their deployment of them. Revolt must happen quickly or find itself facing a new and far more frightening kind of “police.”
You'd think but they're also super chuddy. Seems like a real possibility you've got lots of them, maybe even a majority, who just view themselves as necessary collateral damage for King Trump.
All I'm saying is Hitler had some if the most effective, loyal and evil domestic security and intelligence services to exist (relative to the technical capabilities of his time) (there's a reason there was no revo) and still had to luck out of asassination attempts from Elser, Staufenberg etc.
If they start properly gutting the FBI as revenge for Jan 6 they'll not be safe from Revolution attempts. And people like Musk also travel to foreign countries, where they are even more vulnerable.
Francisco Franco was a brutal authoritarian regime that softened to a regular authoritarian regime with some oligarchich traits. The people of Spain defeated him by waiting for him to die of natural causes, getting lucky that the next guy wanted democracy, and a pact to never punish any bad guys.
They’ve already tried with a few of these. The thing is if musk specifically were to ignore the court order then Dem lawmakers and/or the judge could throw him straight into prison. The whole thing is gonna be a headache for potus at best so they are actually likely to play ball here
who do you think is going to "throw him straight into prison" exactly? is chuck schumer going to put handcuffs on him? is john roberts going to put him into the squad car.
laws are fake. politicians have no power unless the guys with the guns agree to do what they say.
What if there was an option besides "give up" and "fantasize about court orders and cops arresting Elon musk for ignoring tgem that will save us from these people" and people mean that other thing and no give up.
You are literally living in a fantasy land where politicians get arrested for violating court orders when they don't and as long as you refuse to engage in any action to stop him while you wait for the mythical contempt order he might as well be.
So if you read a little bit more of this thread, I said that the capitol police-who have not sworn a blood oath to Elon Musk-would be tasked with it. Will that happen? Probably not. But the threat that it could happen is a real one that Musk has to deal with
Nah you’re right we should just let everyone in the Republican Party do anything they want with no consequences whatsoever. I’m sure some brave internet communist will take action some day
that isn't what was said. what was said was that they're not going to do it, so it's a distraction. when asked "will you let this moment radicalize you or demoralize you" you chose to dig a hole in your backyard and lie in it
Like half of the EO’s Trump has signed since taking office have been *successfully, so far* blocked by courts lol. If you start pretending like executive orders are just royal decrees no one can do anything about, you’re doing their job for them
Personally I haven’t heard of anyone trying to arrests him. He should have been arrested yeah and I’ve seen the protests and the Dems trying to get into the building but no actual arrests
Police can and have been forced to do their job. Trump himself may have a pretty significant level of immunity but that doesn’t extend to literally everyone in the WH and to believe that it does is the same as just giving up
The capital police aren’t a captured branch of government. I don’t think Elon will be arrested but the fact that local law enforcement is not guaranteed to be on his side is enough to scare him
Honestly the fact that there's not national guard in there right now means that Bowser thinks it's a lose if it comes down to her vs Trump, which she's probably right about, there is a chain of command problem here. Who even arrests a president? State troopers? This is a rhetorical question, seeing
Maybe. Trump might change course and Musk could find himself out in the cold with Mikes Pompeo & Pence.
Stealing too much limelight could also cause a falling out.
But I just don't think legal consequences are likely, even if Musk is associated with policies or cuts that lead to deaths.
Consequences? No. You’re right, probably not. Having to shut down and dramatically scale back his operations seems likely though. Musk may have been given the green light by Trump himself but that doesn’t mean he has the same support network as Trump
Before I get my ass beat anymore in the qrt’s, I just want to clarify that our job is done. I’m saying that Elon does not have the same support structure Trump does and therefore should NOT be treated as if he’s completely invincible and there’s nothing we can do
And what suddenly everyone in DC is conscripted into an Elon Vs Everyone Else civil war? This is what I’m saying like I know they’re corrupt and ignore the rules but they’re not an insurgency
elected dems have demonstrated consistently that they have long been captured by fascist elements and have no intention of doing anything other than pretending to object.
the entire country unfortunately has very little to do with how power is actually wielded
Let's hope not. Once the executive branch opts out, you're not in the rule-of-law ballgame. Then neither side has a reason to comply, and disputes get handled the old fashioned way.
People are suggesting to consider the possibility of them just ignoring the courts and what that means next, no one is advocating apathy right now because it's worst discussing next steps in a worst case scenario right now.
Maga politicians have been using this tactic in Ohio for years now. Supreme Court rules against them. They take a minor pause and then get right back to the corruption. Witnessing what Trump/Musk are doing is like watching Ohio politics play out on the federal stage.
This article is discussing a tiny fraction of payments in dispute and the judge is asking the States to file a contempt hearing so he can force compliance with the threat of imprisonment.
That’s their superpower: they know that social norms < guns. That’s why they’re using private security from Eric Prince, when FBI should be carting these goons off to prison for espionage.
They literally always could have but the problem is that they are blue. They are liberal and that means they follow the rules (When it comes to fighting their right)
If that happens, I expect the size of the crowds outside government buildings will increase by one or more orders of magnitude. And Suzie Wiles will be quietly, but pointedly, rubbing Trump's nose over and over in how Musk's clusterfucks are a drag on his popularity.
States which are effectively getting funds taken away arbitrarily without an act of Congress should withhold tax receipts due to the Federal Government. Refuse to collect and remit federal tax receipts any further for them.
Yeah, they know they are violating the Constitution and they know they are going too far so they're going to have to go all the way in order to get away with it. That means just doing it but not giving a fuck with anyone says
i’m excited for infinity more years of democratic elected officials saying all of this is illegal and doing nothing whatsoever to stop it or reverse it when they are ever in power
Don’t worry, they’re drafting the It’s Illegal To Break the Law Act of 2025 which will fail in the senate 64-20 (the missing votes are democrats who forgot they had to work that day)
I feel I must once again remind people that the phrase “second amendment solutions” and the phrase “vote from the rooftops” is sacred and can only be said by RWNJs.
Also dead Boeing executives are always suicide. Always. For real.
It’s all so dumb. They’re going to stop a coup by having stern words and shaking a pointed finger at the bad guys. Maybe Al Green will wave his cane at them.
Harry Littman had a one-on-one guest this past week who said things got fucking real in Nazi Germany when Hitler pardoned concentration camp soldiers in 1934 that had been convicted of severe prisoner abuse.
I wish the US saw this back then and decided to eliminate the pardon power
even if they did end up in court, they've gotten away from and wiggled themselves out of so much trouble to end up scot-free that I wouldn't even expect anything to actually happen
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Plus he's consolidating federal LEO under his office & yes men
without enforcement, aka the enforcers, on your side, laws are just pretty words.
so like, when shit hits the fan, we better hope that the military's oath to the constitution supersedes their oath to the commander in chief.
Why are you dooming about things that haven't happened yet? Be kind to your followers and yourself, sibling. Prepare for what's likely, but don't fall into the trap of expecting it.
https://youtu.be/1SeJdbzBACE?si=nWPBdPITpv2q4Y3P
The military swears its oath to the constitution, not Donald Trump.
How many officers will decide to do nothing in the name of "just following orders"?
https://bsky.app/profile/kayla-denker.blog/post/3lhfq7c4iee2y
And of course, if it gets appealed to the Supreme Court, you know what they'd do.
https://bsky.app/profile/nanami.codes/post/3lhqs4dmpw22w
MAGA TEARS ARE DELICIOUS.
That's their plan.
Probably too optimistic...
"US District Judge Engelmayer blocked Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency (DoGE) from accessing the personal financial data of millions of Americans in Treasury Department records..."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjw4g2q62xqo
Is Feckless Garland gonna stop them?
That's not absent from J6 but it's wildly smaller in proportion.
We should see this as a captured government and start thinking beyond courts. They are
https://www.reddit.com/r/fednews/comments/1ikolz2/big_afge_rally_on_capitol_hill_tuesday_at_12pm/
Oh wait. That's now.
And I just got blocked for pointing out we are winning. MAGA TEARS are flowing and some of us can't read good.
But liberals chose to undermine themselves, giving money to their enemies.
We literally couldn’t even get a plurality of people to oppose this on a secret ballot.
It’s a population too craven, willing to bootlick, and whipped
laws are fake. politicians have no power unless the guys with the guns agree to do what they say.
but you didn't answer the question, who do you think is going to put musk in jail? do you think the FBI is on our side?
Who is going to arrest Elon Musk? Who is going to do it? Who? Tell me who?
He's already breaking into restricted government sites, and I don't see the police throwing him out.
Would they though? I am not kidding or trying to dunk or anything right now, I honestly do not think that the judiciary and the dems would.
Stealing too much limelight could also cause a falling out.
But I just don't think legal consequences are likely, even if Musk is associated with policies or cuts that lead to deaths.
the entire country unfortunately has very little to do with how power is actually wielded
pull your head out
Soap box, ballot box, jury box, before anyone ever turns to the cartridge box, and the pine box.
Feeling good about the jury box being our go-to is what im saying.
Judges are literally stopping these guys in their tracks and you are telling us we are losing.
People are suggesting to consider the possibility of them just ignoring the courts and what that means next, no one is advocating apathy right now because it's worst discussing next steps in a worst case scenario right now.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/06/trump-stops-billions-despite-court-order/78291496007/
Nearly all of Trump's EOs are halted by TROs.
This article is discussing a tiny fraction of payments in dispute and the judge is asking the States to file a contempt hearing so he can force compliance with the threat of imprisonment.
There's largely compliance with the order.
Elon Musk is calling for the impeachment of the judge blocking DOGE, which can't happen without Democrats LMFAO.
When you guys are saying this all means nothing, you are enabling disregard for the judiciary.
America is doomed.
https://bsky.app/profile/noamlaw.bsky.social/post/3lhjeskhy522s
https://bsky.app/profile/urocklive1.bsky.social/post/3lhpp5bsfah26
They're already ignoring the legislative branch so they might as well ignore the judicial branch too.
Also dead Boeing executives are always suicide. Always. For real.
They plan to reject Marbury v Madison and dare anyone to do anything about it.
I wish the US saw this back then and decided to eliminate the pardon power