That IS what it's supposed to show. Their editorial board's perceptions and biases. Seen for what it is, it's exceptionally useful in deciding if you want to support them or not.
You’re so right; it’s not just how they’ve dismissed individual issues as “inconsequential,” it’s the failing to see them as part of a coordinated strategy and cohesive ideology.
woah, woah, let's be fair here. this was 10 opinion columnists. if it was the editorial board they would have been wayyyyy more positive about trans people losing our rights.
They've played *such* a key role in (at best) laundering and (at worst) pushing this agenda. Still Im somewhat surprised that they are standing comfortably by this already very extreme level of state mandated and enforced transphobia / resegragation/ unwinding of civil rights protections.
Quite. 🙃 also could not be more consequential for a) trans people b) people who care about trans people c) people who care about universal human rights standards.
"The trans debate" has always just been a covert, cowardly way of questioning trans people's basic rights to live and exist in our society like any other group of people. They don't give a fuck about bathrooms, or sports, or kids, or women's rights, or any of that. This is simply a transphobe's game
I won't give them traffic for their site. Can somebody who's seen it already share how they defined impact and consequential? Even better if you know the exact questions asked.
that Daniel McCarthy guy is a real moron as he seems to think DOGE could actually potentially do good LOL. Megan is also brain-dead as she's "Ukraine has already lost the war" despite ample evidence to the contrary. Matthew Schmitz thinks we need tariffs to fight China or some dumb crap like that.
exactly, as usual the fault is with editorial leadership, which stacked the deck with two trumpers who aren't even Times employees. then they rounded things out with brooks/french/douthat
if they'd used a representative sample of only the Opinion columnists all the graphs would have been negative
So, the white dudes at the NYT think it's good to dismantle DEI. Golly, I wonder why they would be opposed to efforts to make sure you get a wide range of job candidates before you select the best one, or that bosses consider merit and not just familiarity when promoting.
This is mind-bogglingly absurd on every scale: statistically, substantively, politically, morally, as journalism. But it is a revealing self-own because all it says is, Shit, we have to fix our opinion page because it is way to insular and the Times doesn't get that.
(Fifth) columnists are very sanguine about re-segregation and revoking trans peoples passports. Cool cool well I'm not going to pay to read that garbage.
The liberal movement, and the "enlightened" managers and technocrats who are its core constituency, were *never* on the side of working class trans people. Now they're half- heartedly fighting back while preparing to drop us as "too controversial." *We've* got us, no one else.
This tracks with all of the op Ed pieces that spread wildly inaccurate information about trans healthcare the NYT’s has run. They have been telling us who they are for years.
The NYT is a joke, but not a funny one, but an offensive one that wouldn't be funny even if it wasn't offensive told by your asshole dbag coworker Kyle who wont shut up and everybody hates
This is going to be remembered. Don't let them forget this after Trump's gone, when the pendulum swings so far in our favour as the older generations die and the younger generations take over, and they try and pretend they "always supported us" let this be their legacy
however, it's Very Important to remember we have a special guy working inside the NYT, he'll totally change it from within guys!, not nice to block him or say anything vituperative, he's not responsible for the evil system, just a willing tool of the evil system, NEVER tell him he should quit
NYT is not news. It’s just a website to look at if you are bored. A dopamine hit. Clickbait. I encourage you to support local and non profit reporting.
This particular graph is intended to provoke outrage, discussion, clicks. I am glad you made a screenshot instead of linking it, but please don’t let the NYT build a cage for your soul.
I took this graph to mean "impactful" to Trumpism. Like, did it make the Trump movement more or less popular. Not how much the columnists liked or hated them personally.
Respectfully, that’s not the way the columnists elaborated their assessments in the accompanying text.
I think we need to abandon the instinct to presume the gentle intentions about this kind of dangerous, dehumanizing trash, especially from institutions we’ve been taught to trust.
Jesus Christ what a disgusting waste of energy this was. I guess it's time to mute the word NYT. I don't need to hear a single word from these clown ass motherfuckers ever again.
Also, DOGE in the treasury was so consequential that they were forced to stop by specific read only judicial decree. Like end global capitalism consequential
That's not even what this says. This says the anti trans discrimination is extremely good but doesn't matter.
They're neutral - or divided which is a possibility that shows how ill-conceived this graph is fundamentally - about Ukraine, which they all think is really important.
you can't plot the priorities and values of six respondents on an Eisenhower matrix. This is truly incompetent communication, even setting aside the bad values they're attempting to communicate.
"First they came for the socialists, and I decided that had a slight positive impact and was fairly consequential.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I put that further right into positive impact, but much less consequential than when they came for the socialists.
Ah but it’s the mayor of NEW YORK, so it affects them personally whereas the others don’t therefore it’s the only one that matters. Surely nothing negative is going on with government-approved discrimination and trying to bring back segregation. 🙄
It is so telling to see the ways that "anti-woke" or "anti-DEI" are used as window-dressing 'code', able to hide other less reputable attitudes, such as: being anti-immigrant, anti-LGBT+, anti-women, racist and so forth
A) The ceasefire was secured during the Biden Administration with some input from, but not entirely by, the incoming Trump foreign policy team
B) It's probably negatively impacted by the rhetoric around ethnically cleansing Gaza and turning it into the new Monte Carlo
if you think it's a coincidence that a ceasefire came about exactly five seconds after Witkoff told Netanyahu to knock it off I don't know what to tell you. and that's what makes B so strange, they're comparing the active genocide of gazans to something that exists at the moment purely in rhetoric
did you see what trump did to zelensky yesterday? biden could have done that to netanyahu a year ago and a) ended a genocide and b) prevented a second trump term. this wasnt an evil plan hatched by Trump and Netanyahu, it was biden's rabid zionism fucking us all
I think this a hundred times per day but rarely think it so deeply that I feel compelled to reply to a tweet with it, but here goes: Jesus Fucking Christ
And they didn't even have perpetual shit head Bret Stephens chiming in. That guy is just a bad take machine and the reason I cancelled my times subscription. Dude's always haunting the opinion section like a troll waiting to pounce on the latest issue and throw straw men at the readers. Ughh nyt sux
I'm pretty sure that that's not what this is saying. It's about how much these things have impacted Trump's popularity. I.e. going after dei has been somewhat popular, but very few people cared, whereas the Ukraine stuff has been very unpopular and a lot of people cared.
The NYT is part of the reason there's so much transgender hate these days. They didn't just turn a blind eye to the transphobia pushed by the right, they actually joined in.
The impact axis is the effect on Trump's approval rating, the consequential axis is how long the effect will last. They did a really shitty job labeling the axes.
Charting and subsequently publishing what dumb pieces of shit I and my colleagues are, what a great idea this is, a fun break from us collectively trying and failing to figure out which shape blocks go in which hole
So the government having the power to fired people from their jobs based on their race and the government taking a way our right to control our own medical choices and identity is no big deal!?
We should never make charts like this. None of what they have done is acceptable.
the mental gymnastics of putting DOGE way out in front, but the consequences of its activities down in the “irrelevant, maybe a good thing?” corner could put Simone Biles to shame
Is positive/negative impact a measure of NYT ie readership, brand perception or is it an estimation on the effects the policies have on society, or is it a guess on of how specific policies effects the publics perception on the trump administration?
Trump tweets a video of leveling Gaza and turning it into a biff tanner paradise and they’re “meh” and this is after months of wall to wall coverage of campus protests
The NYT is utterly despicable. Framing this as "trans issues" vs. trans rights/liberties is part of the problem since that of course biases the results. The NYT is directly culpable in the current discriminatory landscape.
Given that this piece has no author and is the opinion of the New York Times, it is fair to say that everyone who works there believes this. Sexist, racist, homophobic fascist capitulators, each and every one.
May your bones rot inside you while you're still young, you nazi pigs.
Can absolutely guarantee the Times has devoted more coverage to trans issues than deregulation despite what this graf would have you believe about what it finds consequential
It's so much easier to spend all your time scapegoating vulnerable minorities than admit that the economic deregulation you favor is making life worse for all outside the 1%
Anti-trans discrimination is actually anti-trans violence. Placing trans women in male prison facilities = sexual assault. Fomenting anti-trans witch-hunts = physical assaults. No marginalized group is more isolated & vulnerable to physical violence, which spreads to gender nonconforming cis folks.
Trans rights and DEI are both a lot less popular among ordinary, Joe Shmoe Americans than most of us would like to admit. I don't agree with NYT's position here on either issue, but we need to acknowledge that divide between us (average Bluesky users) and the voters we need to win back.
What does anyone expect from the Vichy Times? It's staffed by quislings willing to sell their souls to make their nepo baby bitch of an owner another dime. Add the Post and the LA Times to the club as well.
The whole opinion page is nothing but nepo babies. They won't give you a column unless your elementary school cost more than the average american makes in a year.
these people are smelling their own farts. 'most consequential' is Ukraine coverage, as if they truly believe their 5k breathless articles avoiding talking about the carnage that the frontline has become is why DC and the EU keep cutting fat cheques and arms packages and not, y'know, natsec policy.
lol DEI positivity… yes “minorities cause plane crashes” and the censoring of biodiversity data sure are positively received!!!
The negative scores should also be far further left. Especially Ukraine, considering every major world leader is saying we’re traitorous fuckfaces (as they should).
I’ve written several comments about NY Times articles over the years and every one was published except those that were critical of their biased reporting of Trans issues. That is a telling and damning fact.
I kinda wish I had been a customer so just so that I could cancel. But I doubt they care about the opinion of someone who already doesn't read their stuff.
yeah. _everybody_ at the NYT really, Bouie gets attention because he's high profile here.
I don't know how people at fossil fuel companies sleep, I don't know how people still at certain Big Tech companies sleep. certain economic precarity is more scary than incoming totalitarian dystopia
ITA and honestly the Times was shit in the 80s. They found their God Reagan and they will never let go of him. I have no idea why so many refused to see it but was always there.
Neonazis in the editorial pool there... Ross Douthat (also a convict), a guy who regularly opines Trump isn't getting to the Kill Jews part fast enough.
Man... they could flip Eric Adams and ztrans issues and at least be closer to real. EA is inconsequential and his negatives are a drop in the corruption bucket. Trans folks will be decimated under these policies.
I wish people could just stop reading the nyt, stop sharing its crap, stop paying for it, stop talking about it. Just stop acting like a domestic abuse victim who can’t walk away.
US welcomed Nazis after the war to help fight leftism. Confederates were back in power a decade after the Civil War and formed an apartheid state. Republicans are back in power four years after the coup attempt. America always lets white fascists off the hook.
There's even a song about a famous Nazi welcomed by the US. (Evidence suggests that WvB was indeed apolitical, and collaborative with Nazis because he wanted to do science and didn't want to be shot. But to be a good guy, he might have slow-walked the science.)
Ok the political implications aside, why even is the stupid graph going past 0 on the “consequential” axis? What’s less consequential than 0 consequential? It should be smth like “consequential in the opposite direction” for a 4-directions chart like this. But this way, how to even read it?
One of the people in the lower left quadrant referred to the "outstandingly cruel obsession with transgender Americans – a small, vulnerable minority already targeted with disproportionate violence" but put it in "less consequential" because of the smaller number of people directly affected
1) the women view this attempt to “protect women” much more negatively than the men.
2) the NYT somehow forgets about all the other Nazi shit Trump is doing to trans people in healthcare, the military, the public sector, schools, prisons etc.
also stop calling it trans "issues". There is no fucking issue with trans people it's completely made up to baselessly oppress us. Call it what it really is, blind discrimination
This is extremely dangerous. Remember Martin Niemöller's poem? They are already coming for us of us. If you abandon one group of human beings, you abandon us all. Shame, shame, shame @nytimes.com
TL;DR
10 columnists and writers, including 2 with their own right-wing papers, gave their opinion on how this affected Trump’s popularity. This article is not about how the genuine public feels on these issues. The article shown in the image is the average of the 10’s opinions and is poorly worded.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj1rxI-d5wg
Like how his supporters view him
Like the effect on America
Or
How the world views him
And the effect of the world
Which would make the volume of their coverage on the subject surprising.
if they'd used a representative sample of only the Opinion columnists all the graphs would have been negative
Too bad this probably isn't going to make the MAGA regime any more forgiving to their criticisms (jk they fucking deserve it)
NYT Opinon Writers: M'eh
My takeaway from this is NYT opinion writers live in rarefied bubbles....and NYT is still a Vichy rag.
I'd like to know how anti-important my life is supposed to be
I think we need to abandon the instinct to presume the gentle intentions about this kind of dangerous, dehumanizing trash, especially from institutions we’ve been taught to trust.
Seriously, WTAF is this???
They're neutral - or divided which is a possibility that shows how ill-conceived this graph is fundamentally - about Ukraine, which they all think is really important.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I put that further right into positive impact, but much less consequential than when they came for the socialists.
Then ..."
They should ask @jamellebouie.net
https://bsky.app/profile/polphilpod.bsky.social/post/3ljfhos5uhs2s
B) It's probably negatively impacted by the rhetoric around ethnically cleansing Gaza and turning it into the new Monte Carlo
you can live without wordle and spelling bee I PROMISE
https://help.nytimes.com/hc/en-us/articles/360003499613-Cancel-Your-Subscription
"Learning" is for peons.
We should never make charts like this. None of what they have done is acceptable.
NYT is fascist.
NYT can fuck off
May your bones rot inside you while you're still young, you nazi pigs.
That’s just fucking brain dead.
The negative scores should also be far further left. Especially Ukraine, considering every major world leader is saying we’re traitorous fuckfaces (as they should).
Fucking NYT.
I am aware that the stupidest people on bsky reacted with horror at this statement a year ago. it was clear _then_ the NYT was pro-fascism, too.
I don't know how people at fossil fuel companies sleep, I don't know how people still at certain Big Tech companies sleep. certain economic precarity is more scary than incoming totalitarian dystopia
https://www.history.com/news/what-was-operation-paperclip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro
Some argue that objecting to the slave labor would have resulted in him getting shot, so the case against him isn't clear.
Some Operation Paperclip people were probably more clearly guilty.
…turns out that they did.
Admittedly, it only talks about the sport bans, rather than the changes for trans people in prisons, but still this is quite a bad result.
Extremely consequential if you ask me. It must be nipped in the bud.
Look at that variance! Yet the mean ends up near the origin.
1) the women view this attempt to “protect women” much more negatively than the men.
2) the NYT somehow forgets about all the other Nazi shit Trump is doing to trans people in healthcare, the military, the public sector, schools, prisons etc.
10 columnists and writers, including 2 with their own right-wing papers, gave their opinion on how this affected Trump’s popularity. This article is not about how the genuine public feels on these issues. The article shown in the image is the average of the 10’s opinions and is poorly worded.