What is human nature and how do you know this? We lived in communal societies for most of human history. Are there studies to show what you are talking about? Does human nature make the profit motive the best way to run an advanced economy?
Humans need a motivation to work efficiently (normally economical), under Communism this motivation is taken away, resulting in peoples who are not motivated to do anything. They had a saying USSR that was: They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work.
In China as soon as the party did not oppress the population enough the reverted to capitalisms because it's the only thing that ensure that they got the items they needed to stay alive.
I tend to think communism is China or North Korea. I don’t want their lives. If you ask them if they are happy/free, they might say yes, for number of reasons: they don’t know any other life, fear, censorship, lack of privacy, etc.
To convince communism is something else would be difficult.
Because I, personally, would rather not have the government, who have provenly shown again and again that they don't know how to properly help people, be the one to decide what I'm allowed to own and what my "basic needs" might be
I wanna own the means of production through socialism instead
Communism is when the state controls production and distributes necessities, such as food, housing, and education, to the people based on their needs. Think China and Russia
Socialism is when people own property AND production, and is managed by an elected government. Think Norway and Sweden
Thats a command economy under Marxist-Leninist socialism. Communism is the post state phase once class antagonisms have been abolished. You can be a communist without being a ML
Capitalism relies on everyday communisms. Every time someone holds the door or helps someone pick up stuff they dropped. Shares food at the work potluck or gives someone directions. They're not charging money for that. All day every day we do communism to survive.
Marxist/socialist/social justice/human rights multi-lateral antagonism reflects why there is no coherent and widespread opposition forced upon MSM. If there were say 3 consistent themes to destroy Trump/GOP that centrists and leftists could UNIFY under NOW, those bastards would be defeated. Try it.
Isn’t it weird they shot him right before he was gonna do a speech at the sanitation union? It’s almost like that was the thing the state was scared of or something.
The movement for eight hour days and weekends off was a broader movement, not exclusively communist.
Also a number of welfare reforms in the late 19th century were implemented by Otto Von Bismarck, of all people, though admittedly, he was probably stealing the thunder from the Left.
if theres anything you can count on a progressive liberal for, it's stepping up to whitewash the assassinations of all the communists and anarchists at the hands of the state during the "actually we just decided to make concessions to labor out of the goodness of our hearts" campaign
The CIA did ops to get communists out of leadership roles in unions after WWII. Labor organizing is literally the most basic teaching point of communist theory.
Liberals will do the bare minimum of existing and call it a coalition lol.
400k railroad workers in a union going on strike for an 8 hour day, and forcing the president to step in is socialists getting you the two day weekend.
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We just gonna ignore that there were literal battles fought by trade unionists for things like the 40 hour work week? Like real actual battles, with guns and cannons, against the state.
What do you gain by reattributing gains made by communists who want you to have a better life to the capitalists who want you to be a slave and die? Who is this for? Are you a business owner trying to make inroads with Capital?
When the communists fight for something and get it the liberals who finally caved to their demands write down in the history books "then we gave them a thing because we are generous" and people believe it.
I love it when people are just flatly wrong - the liberals opposed the weekend. Liberals are against every current reform effort, against every current liberation movement, etc. It's only decades after that they take credit
like all current privileges enjoyed by labor it was won by labor movements filled with socialists, communists, anarchists, and other people who actually gave a shit about the poor
the liberals were the ones who sicced the dogs, cops, and strike busters on them
1) The Adamson Act was won by unions that embraced racial segregation, and signed into law by W. Wilson, who segregated the federal workforce.
2) Frances Perkins was not a communist, but her confirmation was objected to by labor union leaders. She was appointed by the very entitled, wealthy FDR.
Yes. I, a black woman, am the white moderate MLK warned you about because I [checks notes] stated that unions in America were once segregated. You've got me.
My bad for assuming. Though you still pay the moderate perfectly. You'd throw out the baby with the bathwater, because unions didn't instantly solve racism. We still have plenty to thank unions, communists, and socialists for. And yes, we can still be better moving forward. Solidarity forever ✊
And those unions were racist, leading them to cut out a group of workers who - at that time - were among the least protected in society and the workforce.
unions that embraced racism were in nearly all cases anti-communist, and communists have more consistently opposed racism than any other political movement, even when it meant clashing with conservative unions.
To be clear: I didn't praise centrists or liberals. Y'all are arguing something I didn't say. I said the unions that helped win passage of the Adamson Act were segregated.
This means nothing to me. Workers organizing for the collective benefit of their production is a communist principle. I don’t care about what people had involvement after workers unionized and got it done.
I would never say the black panthers are awful people because they called women the baby makers of the revolution and subjugating them to a lower class. What they fought for was right in the end.
I’m sorry but even your favorite civil rights leaders have flaws given the time period in which they were living. Plenty of misogynists and anti lgbt bigots in the lot.
That does not negate from the fact that organizing to get shit you deserve as the producers of capital is inherently bad.
Ok. The fact that the people were racist in the past doesn't negate the idea of collective organizing and unionization. You can do those things without being racist you dumbass
No, it was won by the criminal violence of anarchists. Liberal swine did not in fact grant labor any concessions simply out of the goodness of their hearts.
The labor rights movement in the US was 100% spearheaded by communists, and they won their rights not just with polite letter-writing campaigns, but by literally fighting pinkerton strike breakers with machine guns.
The first general strike for the 8 hour day was led by anarchists who threw bombs at the police, Lucy Parsons led a march of the unemployed to rich neighborhoods in Chicago and called on people to “devastate the avenues of the rich where they live” but yeah sure, liberal progressives lol
One of the Haymarket anarchists who was tried and convicted and sentenced to death for his role in the riots said “I despise you, I despise your order, your force propped authority, HANG ME FOR IT”
Another one of the Haymarket anarchists refused to let the State be the one who took his life and instead ended his own by his own hand by lighting a stick of dynamite disguised as a cigar and blowing himself up.
“Progressives” lol
Helen Keller was a member of the explicitly communist labor union Industrial Workers of the World and said “a day will come when capitalism will be faced with a mass of starving workers demanding either bread or the destruction of the system that starved them.”
My point being: The labor movement was an insurgent movement from the beginning and led by dedicated cadres of anarchists, communists, and socialists electrified by the Paris Commune of 1871 and the Great Railroad Strike of 1877 which kicked labor unions into high gear in the US.
Conservatives always talk about the value of the community, pride themselves on "small towns sticking together"...but the word Communism terrifies them. COMMUNIty...COMMUNIsm...they just don't see it because they equate it with Authoritarianism. It stops any conversation about it in its tracks.
Well I'm expropriating weekends and giving ownership of them to the people, so unless you have a way of stopping me from doing that they are, in fact, communist now.
socialist, because it was unions that forced the government's hands... But that's quibbling between communism and socialism. They are not capitalist in any sense.
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You might want to read a book sometime or pull a Billy Madison to go back over those parts of your middle school American history before spouting this kind of ignorance.
every single break, weekend, day off, vacation time, etc you have ever enjoyed has been fought for and won with the blood and sickles and mangled limbs of communists
Capitalist Henry Ford, in 1914 voluntarily implemented a 5-day, 40-hour workweek.
The U.S. Govt, not left-wing militants, officially enacted the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, establishing the 40-hour workweek & overtime pay within Capitalism.
You do realize those laws were passed after over 9 years of strikes, armed confrontations, factory occupations, growing union density, growing membership in the communist party, sabotage, rent strikes, worker’s mutual aid, socialists winning elected office, etc., right?
Meaning take his fucking dick out of your mouth unless you too are a Nazi.
Others already informed you. His concessions arose in the context of pressure from a heavily communist labor movement. It was not noblesse oblige, it was a use of soft power in class war.
Ford raised wages in 1914 to: reduce turnover, attract better workers, boost productivity, cut training costs, reduce absenteeism, create loyal staff, improve morale, boost car sales (workers could afford cars).
All that new deal stuff was passed as a compromise to prevent further unrest after decades of radical labor action.
Ford is an interesting case because on one hand he did paternalistically treat workers better than most capitalists of his era, on the other he was a nazi sympathizer and union buster
Socialism is the workers taking over. Capitalism ceases to be. It is not "authoritarian", it is not gov control of all. It is true democracy. With society now under control of the workers, People will learn that capitalism is bad, actually. Society will then strive to remove the state and money.
OK. How are decisions made if 51% want to burn the remaining food? What other mob rule examples should I list? There is no way to make a true democracy. Then we make checks & balances. Then someone always controls. Then the controllers are flawed. Same.
Any gains for workers under capitalism inevitably get clawed back. Wealth and power concentrate to oligarchs who use their control of the state to create the conditions for further exploitation. You don't even need to read theory to understand this, just look around and stop being so naively liberal
There is a third way already as I described briefly. It uses the best of both systems & is easier to implement based on philosophy & logic. It has never been fully implemented either. The Nordic Model doesn’t go far enough in some ways. But not Communism.
Depends if you ask an Economist outside Marx or in, or if you ask someone outside economics. Defining terms so we start on the same page instead of declaring your terms are the correct ones, is how good faith works.
FDR pushed parts like the Emergency Banking Act, CCC, TVA & FDIC on his own. These aimed to fix banks, create jobs, develop regions & restore trust. He took these steps early without outside pressure, based on his plans before protests or radicals rose.
Next you will say Lincoln freed the slaves, and I'll say what about all the people who fought for the union, the abolitionists, the slave revolts, those who argued along sid of Lincoln etc. Like your take is dumb.
You completely forget about everything that happened before Henry Ford implemented this at his factories. You forget about all the stuff leading up to the 40 hour work week, as If you only know the fun fact, which really isn't an accurate portrayal of what happend. It's some small brain shit.
Steel man my position. You’re stating things I haven’t said & don’t believe. I’m closer to agreeing with you than not. Yet the personal attacks today have me blocking people.
"I just wish protesters were more polite" as you use a curbcut, standardized into law by disabled people literally crawling up the capital steps on defiance of police & Capitol rules.
You realize the US isn't a democracy right by the strict definition. It is a representative republic. We vote for representatives who make laws on our behalf. A democracy would involve citizens voting on those laws directly, which we do not do at a federal level.
And wasn't there a bunch of direct action referendum type ballot measures thingy in the last election that got support from voters only for the business council and the government reps to somehow veto it because reasons? So fair.
Oh one hundred percent agree, but we gotta take baby steps with folks like this who think america is the bastion of liberty in the free world or whatever.
Like Marx, Engels, Salvador Allende and plenty of other socialists do and did, yes. If you're moronically trying to imply that leftism bad and antidemocratic, GTFO.
More seriously: please read theory and answer on this essay how socialism is antithetical to democracy, or not. There is no time limit, but I WILL be judging your sources. I expect proper research. Please, continue.
Almost everyone in America works for a company where they have no vote over who runs or owns it. And the owners of some of those companies are incredibly powerful on a national level. I 100% agree we should be able to vote them out!
Capitalism and full democracy are incompatible, because if the workers could vote on how to share the products of their labour they wouldn't vote for like six awful cunts to get most of it.
If by "vote for the people in power," you mean the people in power choose who the candidate is going to be and then try to shame you into voting for them
so, here's the thing: the thing that matters most here is *the nature of power,* not the voting
i am strictly opposed to a one-party state system, because i think it shares many of america's problems — repression, a calcified unresponsive ruling class, obedient nationalism as default ideology…
In Russia, you get to vote Putin into power over and over again. Isn't that so neat? You can say "I voted for this! They asked me 'Yes or Yes?' and I said yes!"
Is that it? How are the people chosen? Do I influence the party at all as a party member? How are districts decided? Are the ideological apparatuses like social media and television controlled by the masses or the ruling class? Do I have democracy at work? Over my neighborhood? Land? Resources?
So like North Carolina? Where you vote but your vote is arbitrarily disqualified because the losing judge-candidate didn't like the outcome? Democracy, everyone!
As well as the liberal party earning well over 60% of the total votes statewide and yet magically only end up with about 43% representation in the State Legislature.
I didn't get to pick Harris
as the nominee because there wasn't primary. Even if I there was, primaries are decided before my state even gets to vote. I'm all for democracy, but I'm not sure you can call our two party system, where both parties are private companies, a democracy.
We believe in real democracy, not fake democracy where you let fascist cousinfuckers run for office because "durrrr I may not agree with your fascist propaganda but I'll fight for your right to say it"
But did you consider that they didn't let the fascists publish the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Sounds like tankie shit to me. They were way too authoritarian with those pogromists
You can argue that Stalin undermined it a bit with the Supreme Soviet, I’d point out by that same coin the US has undermined OURS with the Supreme Court, but that’s neither here nor there.
Democracy is good, sucks that money/capital being involved in as bribes to the people running said government just makes it... dysfunctional.
But that can't be uncoupled, wdym insider trading is just corrupt? Or being able to exit the government and get a cushy job as an advisor on these companies?
It's almost like that's the point, but again, this is my singular neuron survivor after an RFK Jr. prescribed brain worm just ate my 12 neurons and won't spit it out, so I don't think I'm making any sense whatsoever. D:
once had a coworker frothing at the mouth mad at the idea of 4-day work weeks, screaming in my face that the left was trying to take away his hours. Then when I asked if he’d be fine with it if they raised his pay relative to the new schedule he was like “…….well IF they did that, sure! BUT-”
People truly believe it was some sort of bipartisan agreement that we even have labor rights at all. A real accomplishment by the American politicians and their good will. It wasn’t. It took some real fighting to get them.
To be fair, have you seen LinkedIn lately? Half the posts are like “we are not the same. You want an 8 hour workday and I snort Huel and microdose sleep to get my 23 hours of work in. That extra hour is for my young blood transfusion”
I was told to refer to May 1st as "Loyalty Day" in order to fight Communism. When the guy who said that left the meeting he made a point to speak my name at me, so I guess I had lost my poker face at hearing that playground nonsense being said at me.
It certainly is also helpful to keep this in mind when understanding Communists and Socialists believing we need a workers political party.
I say that as an anarchist.
most of the trade union leaders were members of the IWW back in those days, but the whole "weekend" thing was really a popular theory in the 1800's that came up a few times for very different reasons (sports and religion were among them), then was actually embraced by the unions
in the 90's I literally had no friends who knew anything about marxism so I was learning stuff on angelfire pages and checking books out from the library even more lol
The most cucked mindset in the world is people who say "actually the government did that, they signed it into law". Bro thinks Lyndon Johnson was more important than the civil rights movement. If it wasn't for fear of communists we'd all currently be chained to our desks at work lol.
While it's important that centrists understand that left wingers played a major role in the workers rights we have today, It's also true that workers in the Soviet Union worked 6 days a week. Vietnam currently has a 48-hour work week.
"Anarchism doesnt work" and yet you used anarchism to type that out instead of serving the state and shared it in the communist social media instead of the capitalism of the voices in your head!!!!
It drives me crazy when people mistakenly say Russia is communist, when it is actually corrupt capitalism on steroids (which, I'm afraid, we soon will be).
Bluesky is presenting a lot of Commie BS today. What you people fail to realize is that neither Capitalism & Communism work. There is no economic system that can provide what every person needs while providing the excess people demand.
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To convince communism is something else would be difficult.
I wanna own the means of production through socialism instead
Socialism is when people own property AND production, and is managed by an elected government. Think Norway and Sweden
Its origins are in NY where immigrant women who worked in a garment factory went on strike to address the horrid working conditions and terrible pay.
I was completely joking
Like, no. You guys are the ones that screamed at them and replaced them at the factory right before half the scab workforce got slashed anyway.
Also a number of welfare reforms in the late 19th century were implemented by Otto Von Bismarck, of all people, though admittedly, he was probably stealing the thunder from the Left.
We only have nice things because of members of the real left, not because of American liberals.
400k railroad workers in a union going on strike for an 8 hour day, and forcing the president to step in is socialists getting you the two day weekend.
Put another flag in your bio, loser lmao
like all current privileges enjoyed by labor it was won by labor movements filled with socialists, communists, anarchists, and other people who actually gave a shit about the poor
the liberals were the ones who sicced the dogs, cops, and strike busters on them
learn basic labor history
2) Frances Perkins was not a communist, but her confirmation was objected to by labor union leaders. She was appointed by the very entitled, wealthy FDR.
"Left wing people were the only bigoted people in that time, trust me, centrist liberals were VERY cool about race, class and sex."
That does not negate from the fact that organizing to get shit you deserve as the producers of capital is inherently bad.
Especially to denigrate the actions of the militant left as too icky.
Wow. Amazing. I'd shake your hand if I could.
Noooo no it wasn’t communists and lefties actually it was MYY team, and aha, ur welcome, of course! ;P
“Progressives” lol
Read the history of Lowell and Lawrence textile workers. Learn some labor history.
https://www.umasspress.com/9781558490468/commonwealth-of-toil/
Was it those mean ol' commies?
You tell 'em, slugger.
Aren't "communist" you?
-fucking moron.
*they can't comprehend the idea that leftists and libs are very different.
They're not communist per say. Capital could have come to the conclusion of weekends on their own. But in our history, they pointedly did not.
You can make an argument that they're
the 40 hour week was the biggest win the unions ever had, at a time when most of the union leaders were proud card carrying members of the IWW
You're gonna need some cream for that cringe.
The U.S. Govt, not left-wing militants, officially enacted the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, establishing the 40-hour workweek & overtime pay within Capitalism.
#NoCommunism
Genuinely, it was to compromise after real violence. Not because he was kind. In fact he was evil.
Who published "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem" hint it wasnt hitler.
Things we arent taught in history! Until next time, comrade!
Others already informed you. His concessions arose in the context of pressure from a heavily communist labor movement. It was not noblesse oblige, it was a use of soft power in class war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Hunger_March
Ford raised wages in 1914 to: reduce turnover, attract better workers, boost productivity, cut training costs, reduce absenteeism, create loyal staff, improve morale, boost car sales (workers could afford cars).
Capitalism.
“The March” was 1932. 18 years after.
Ford is an interesting case because on one hand he did paternalistically treat workers better than most capitalists of his era, on the other he was a nazi sympathizer and union buster
🚫 Communism.
🚫 unregulated, Laissez-Faire, Neoliberal Capitalism.
Freedom, regulation,
Capitalism with transparent (real) free markets, Public Goods, quasi-Public Goods, infrastructure, safety nets.
🚫 Communism.
🚫 Govt control of all.
🚫 removed freedoms & authoritarianism.
If I don't have capital, how am I a capitalist?
FDR pushed parts like the Emergency Banking Act, CCC, TVA & FDIC on his own. These aimed to fix banks, create jobs, develop regions & restore trust. He took these steps early without outside pressure, based on his plans before protests or radicals rose.
So we can either take a page from the 30s and push from the outside, or wait on benevolent capitalists to save the day. So far the latter is a bust.
Sucking capitalist anus now are we. Dead capitalist anus.
I think we're allowed to kinkshame necrophiliacs
Got it!
Are you trying? Civil discourse? Convince me to join your team? Show me better ideas?
Steel man my position. You’re stating things I haven’t said & don’t believe. I’m closer to agreeing with you than not. Yet the personal attacks today have me blocking people.
i am strictly opposed to a one-party state system, because i think it shares many of america's problems — repression, a calcified unresponsive ruling class, obedient nationalism as default ideology…
we're just the playing field for different factions of rich people to decide who gets to rule in a bloodless and manageable fashion
if you challenge their collective power? you die, though
as the nominee because there wasn't primary. Even if I there was, primaries are decided before my state even gets to vote. I'm all for democracy, but I'm not sure you can call our two party system, where both parties are private companies, a democracy.
But that can't be uncoupled, wdym insider trading is just corrupt? Or being able to exit the government and get a cushy job as an advisor on these companies?
yay for blocks
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Was God a Communist when he rested on the 7th day?
In a Communist system, there are wealthy elites that stand above the rest of the "class of equals" known as the Proletariat.
You uh, might wanna check out who’s running America at the moment.
I say that as an anarchist.
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