I know white guys are not supposed to be proud of our race but I am SUPER proud as a white guy of our ability to make racism into our own hero’s journey in which everyone else is scenery - ThreadSky

kenwhite.bsky.social • 6 days ago

I know white guys are not supposed to be proud of our race but I am SUPER proud as a white guy of our ability to make racism into our own hero’s journey in which everyone else is scenery

Reposted from Solomon

www.nytimes.com/2025/02/14/m...

Comments

kerouac666.bsky.social•6 days ago

Dick so good that it solves racism

galacticbutterfly.bsky.social•6 days ago

Another way to read this is “is miscegenation okay in 2025?”

areidwrites.bsky.social•6 days ago

Just when you think it’s an article by The Onion…

hoodierooter.bsky.social•6 days ago

There really is no cohesive white race.
Look at the history of Europe.
Nazis in their own language waged a racial war against the "subhuman" Slavs in the east.
The English manufactured the Irish potato famine to try and exterminate the Irish Catholic population.

mrtoads.bsky.social•6 days ago

This isn’t wrong, but it risks sweeping up us outbreeders in the seine net. I mean, some of us (of any skin color, geographic origin, sex and gender) find the more different to be the more attractive. As a man, I admit lovely women are the scenery in my life, but one in particular is my focus.

danielinniss.bsky.social•6 days ago

Sat in the pub; read the tweet; then the headline; loud “what the fuck”

What is happening over there.

mr-frisby-draws.bsky.social•6 days ago

Or, OR, Hear me out. How about 2 adults of different ethnicity happen to love each other and get married because they love each other, nothing sociopolitical about it.

Why are 2025 NYT writers just weird and unhappy losers?

kaijusensei.bsky.social•6 days ago

I'm a pardo married to a Japanese woman.

I sure as hell didn't marry her to advance relations between Brazil and Japan.

hoot-owl.bsky.social•5 days ago

What the um… WHAT?

compliancedivision.bsky.social•6 days ago

"Can I date [ ] to [ ]?"

NO. No, you cannot.

deronhuskey.bsky.social•5 days ago

A strategy?

Date them because you like being around them.

Idiot.

mbp7545.bsky.social•6 days ago

I'm begging for an astroid to hit the planet. For the love of God, hurry the F up. This place is trash.

de0701993.bsky.social•6 days ago

You know we are entering a very dark time. We really can’t blame it on the Middle East, South America, Asia ……. It is coming from mostly White men of the USA. They are fighting with every marginalized group in the US, climate and other White people who are not bothering them.

peterglover.com•6 days ago

Fingers crossed:

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/12/g-s1-48262/asteroids-tracking-near-earth-2024-yr4

celticdragon1.bsky.social•6 days ago

Chicxulub Bolide FTW

agburanar.bsky.social•6 days ago

No, no, an asteroid will kill all kinds of good things, too, like dogs, cats, and birds.

We need a very species specific virus; none of this influenza crap that's going to kill half the mammals, ninety percent of the birds, and still leave too many humans about.

ravva.bsky.social•6 days ago

Man who has time for this level of navel lint gazing? When I dated women of color I was just happy to be there.

lisairontongue.bsky.social•6 days ago

Yeah, the answer to the question was about as obvious as could be.

msmagicdishes.bsky.social•6 days ago

Please make it stop 🤦🏻‍♀️

merlerip.bsky.social•6 days ago

Y'all are just cool like that. 🙄🤣🤠

janelebak.bsky.social•6 days ago

White people centering white people is certainly a skill cultivated by the New York Times, at any rate.

thelordgod.bsky.social•6 days ago

What an absolute roll of asswipe the New York times has become.

gurglz.bsky.social•6 days ago

They are going to put pitchbot out of work.

theclaw414.bsky.social•6 days ago

This happened on "Mad Men" and if memory serves Joan told the guy doing it that he was cringe.

feverspell.bsky.social•6 days ago

Ah yes, when Joan told Paul he only dated Sheila to make himself seem interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBasrTmASPI

ynotask.bsky.social•6 days ago

So this is cringe AND unoriginal?

exdinette.bsky.social•6 days ago

NYT is just fucking with the pitchbot at this point.

johnnyapplememes.bsky.social•6 days ago

Jfc

arvrrob.bsky.social•5 days ago

🤦🏻‍♂️

emeraldkittycat.bsky.social•6 days ago

What a ghastly sounding story

nesler.org•6 days ago

I'm going to need someone to workshop a pun involving the word bildungsroman

bhandel58.bsky.social•6 days ago

just unbelievable

stephenbaines.bsky.social•6 days ago

Man that’s a weird article.

tuneraider.bsky.social•6 days ago

Was this written in the 1950’s ?

uk0bach.bsky.social•6 days ago

Even as a white guy, when white guys appear in my nightmares, they kinda look like this motherfucker in the cartoon.

Black eyes with no pupils. Vacant but threatening half-smile, dressed in an outdated tuxedo, wielding a large knife.

bullcityfats.bsky.social•6 days ago

That's not even a cake knife. That's an all-around fucked-up illustration, just like the headline.

pfalcon.bsky.social•6 days ago

😳 ~ only in Meriká

itus.bsky.social•6 days ago

This was really published…I hate it here.

mnemonic.bsky.social•6 days ago

That entry is a pinnacle of AITA squickiness in the generally somewhat squicky Ethics column.

glennf.com•6 days ago

I feel like I could write 3x the words each week about the bad ethics expressed in each column

mnemonic.bsky.social•6 days ago

The response in the entry that Ken cites is unusually goofy, imho.

jbminn.bsky.social•6 days ago

quantum goofiness

glennf.com•6 days ago

I preferred Roxane Gay’s Work Friend run, when she called out bullshit.

bc562.bsky.social•6 days ago

We have to stop their insane agenda

https://youtu.be/CXofZVZ7PP0?si=S7QlolINYWbezPEA dark gothic maga, unhuman, agenda 47

pintah.bsky.social•6 days ago

In my 20s I used to ask (as a white guy) "what am I supposed to do to make minorities happy"? It was partly genuine, but mostly making it about myself. "Hey look at me, I want to care, but you give me the road map". Wish I could go back and smack the shit out myself.

pintah.bsky.social•6 days ago

dougwar40k.bsky.social•6 days ago

"As a definitely-human male of high albedo, it is known to all my subtype that there are difficulties in the social groupings to do with trans-albedal matings. My quantity of desired maximalization is this: 'anti-racism'. Aid in the calculation of an optimal course through this milieu is sought."

mstoodley.bsky.social•6 days ago

I spy AI

dougwar40k.bsky.social•6 days ago

"I have averred that I am sapiens like yourselves; cease foolishness."

mstoodley.bsky.social•6 days ago

All foolishness or specific, to be defined by thee, foolishness?

dougwar40k.bsky.social•6 days ago

"Affirmative."

mias-mom.bsky.social•6 days ago

GOTTA be a troll letter!💯

stoopcat.bsky.social•6 days ago

Forget it Jake, it's the New York Times

policegazette.bsky.social•6 days ago

Haven't read that article, but speaking for myself: I'm white and was married to a Black woman for 19 years. My next SO is likely to be Black too (just my preference). I don't know. Maybe extensive exposure to Black people helps, but mainly it's just about doing the right thing. People are people.

policegazette.bsky.social•6 days ago

And to be clear, going just by that headline, the answer is "no" you do not want to date someone if that is your goal. The poor woman, she can do better.

8bitblunder.bsky.social•6 days ago

Jesus christ

demme.bsky.social•6 days ago

That has to be parody, please tell me it's parody.

darcydinucci.bsky.social•6 days ago

No different than many guys’ instrumental idea of relationships? Most professional guys will make no bones about their “must have” list: works out, good family, good job, attractive. This seems kinda the same idea, if a more unusual criterion.

wiredog.bsky.social•6 days ago

But did you read the response? It’s absolutely perfect. And funny as all hell.

frolicndetour.bsky.social•6 days ago

Isn’t the bigger question being whether it’s gay for a guy to date women?

wiredog.bsky.social•6 days ago

Well that’s not what the guy is asking.

feprit.bsky.social•6 days ago

Even if this is genuine, it's very hard for me to understand how The Ethicist doesn't seem to have even considered the very real possibility that this is a troll.

yojimborice.bsky.social•6 days ago

I feel like these patently dumb articles are the equivalent of clickbait engagement.

mike-in-dc.bsky.social•5 days ago

JFC. I was married to a black woman, but this is an enhanced level of ick factor to me. DO NOT USE YOUR DATE AS A VIRTUE SIGNALING FLAG. This is not the great antiracist gesture you imagine it to be.

lardog.bsky.social•6 days ago

There's a paywall but I hope the article is one word: "no".

wiredog.bsky.social•6 days ago

It’s three paragraphs of “are you fuckin kidding me?” and very funny.

huh-nope.bsky.social•6 days ago

A timely reminder of hitting paywalls can be a good thing.

bingo46.bsky.social•5 days ago

😂😂😂

blagg.bsky.social•6 days ago

I muted @nytimes.com years ago so I didn't have to know about white trust fund baby nonsense like this. The ability to stretch a bad point into a whole personality is amazing, and it infects everything they touch.

unmitigatedgaul1.bsky.social•5 days ago

Should we date guys to prove we aren’t homophobic?

unmitigatedgaul1.bsky.social•5 days ago

I thought we dated them because they were beautiful AND badass…?

literatijon.bsky.social•6 days ago

“Finally! For a second there, it wasn’t about me.”

stevespla.bsky.social•6 days ago

I want to fight racism but I also like to fuck. Is there a fucking-centric way to fight racism?

mashamasha.bsky.social•6 days ago

I wish he'd worded it like that, because then we could tell him that, in every fight, it is important that we start with ourselves. He should find and explore a fucking-centric way to start with himself, and then continue doing it until he stops being whatever the hell he is based on his letter.

salenstormwing.bsky.social•6 days ago

granitehull.bsky.social•6 days ago

I had to stare at this for a long time to accept that this was real, not the Onion, Mcsweeney's, or any other thing but the idiots who work for the Gray Lady now.

sotonohito555.bsky.social•6 days ago

I dunno if they were always trash, but since they suppressed the story about Bush Jr spying on Americans without a warrant until after the 2004 elections, and explained it was because they didn't want the truth of what he was doing to influence the elections, I've assumed they were trash.

ekidd.bsky.social•6 days ago

The NYT has been trash for a very long time. Check out this puff piece they wrote about Hitler, about 10 days before the start of World War II: https://www.nytimes.com/1939/08/20/archives/herr-hitler-at-home-in-the-clouds-high-up-on-his-favorite-mountain.html

ubfriccardo.bsky.social•6 days ago

If you date anyone at all for any reason other than "I really like them and find them attractive", then there is no hope for you.

lynngrant.bsky.social•6 days ago

I agree. I have known several interesting Black women who I would have loved to date but didn’t (mostly because of pesky things like they were married, or were a vendor representative to my company). Never once did I think “I’m want to date this Black chic it further my journey as a non-racist.”

lynngrant.bsky.social•6 days ago

I finally encountered the most interesting woman of all, who happened to be Black, and I have been with her for 25 years.

agburanar.bsky.social•6 days ago

What about "I really like their dog, and they, themselves, are not bad?"

unmitigatedgaul1.bsky.social•5 days ago

Accepted

fightswithrhoombas.bsky.social•5 days ago

Oh my god. Therapy. Seriously.

misskkitty.bsky.social•6 days ago

Wow. That takes virtue signaling to a whole new level.

danielswise.bsky.social•6 days ago

It read like an Onion piece. I love Kwame Appiah, including his gentleness, but I was surprised how soft his reply was

flylefty.bsky.social•6 days ago

Did they interview JD for the article?

caspiancey.bsky.social•6 days ago

I love the idea of him still having to fight himself every single day to stay committed to her because he’s such a dirtbag — largely cause I suspect it’s true.

turnitup5000db.bsky.social•6 days ago

cowboyrat.bsky.social•6 days ago

"Hey babe, sorry I called you a slur at dinner in front of the kids. The food was just too cold. you get it, right?"

flylefty.bsky.social•6 days ago

What I don’t understand is how she stays with him.

caspiancey.bsky.social•6 days ago

Tick tock on that reality I suspect.

maryhilt.bsky.social•6 days ago

Cognitive dissonance.

Quite a severe case of it.

rebeccaore.bsky.social•6 days ago

Go to a poor country or a poor neighborhood in the US, and there will always be some women who fall in love with your bank account.

flylefty.bsky.social•6 days ago

True, but that doesn’t explain her specifically.

rebeccaore.bsky.social•5 days ago

India is still worse for women than the US.

gainesm.bsky.social•6 days ago

Why would they? The article is about chasing racism clout, not fucking couches

cassiopeiacao.bsky.social•6 days ago

If f-ing a non-white Woman absolves you of racism, then every GOP John in Florida would be a card-carrying social justice warrior. Just ask Donald Sterling!

grumpybozo.toad.social.ap.brid.gy•6 days ago

@kenwhite.bsky.social Weird flex...

priscillamaloney.bsky.social•6 days ago

wtaf @nytimes.com

freeangelica.bsky.social•6 days ago

caramia5.bsky.social•6 days ago

Me reading that title

bachpropagate.bsky.social•6 days ago

*presses buzzer* What is exoticism?
That guy should apply his "conundrum" to gender as well: assuming he isn't homophobic, shouldn't he preferably date guys?

tek314159.bsky.social•6 days ago

“Antiracist roughage”. Amazing.

tree207.bsky.social•6 days ago

puking emoji x 1000
eye roll emoji x 100

yuweiquan.bsky.social•6 days ago

It’s Sunday AM, and I simply cannot deal with this nonsense right now

paradigm317.bsky.social•6 days ago

What in the world

sotonohito555.bsky.social•6 days ago

The way some of my fellow white men can make EVERYTHING about themselves and their dick is astonishing.

I hope he never actually meets a Black woman IRL to try to use as a prop in his display of self righteousness.

shenloop.bsky.social•6 days ago

Editors?

fargascollection.bsky.social•6 days ago

Sounds like he's envisioning a rewarding and not-at-all exhausting relationship with a person whose most salient feature is their skin color. The ladies must be lining up

jp.world•5 days ago

The headline is not as bad as it looks, they just misspelled “sociopathic.”

maryhilt.bsky.social•6 days ago

Does the Times HAVE to enable the white supremacists quite so quickly and loudly?

I mean, they did get the felon in there but they don't have to embrace all of the Nazis at once, do they?

radiophotog.bsky.social•6 days ago

Must've been a stretch goal.

😬

thefirstarticle.bsky.social•6 days ago

Business does not provide leadership.

Ever

kapwen.bsky.social•6 days ago

This was the craziest Dear Advice Columnist I've ever read. April Fool's Day level of absurdity.

rozinreallife.bsky.social•6 days ago

"How many ways can I use women to make myself look better?"

dianesworld.bsky.social•6 days ago

Right?!?!?! 🤯

robinedgar.bsky.social•6 days ago

What is wrong with people (white)

lisaspangenberg.info•6 days ago

I had to bail it was so very offensive, entitled, and stupid.

dsolomonesq.bsky.social•5 days ago

Solipsism is the coin of this particular realm. The fish doesn’t notice the water, and the people who most decry “virtue signaling” are themselves, by that very act, engaging in it. We are mentally circling the drain with little hope of escaping this prison of our own devising.

joshuabhoe.bsky.social•6 days ago

WTAF....good lord

coigue.bsky.social•6 days ago

That is *chef’s kiss* so perfectly white

tubapeter.bsky.social•6 days ago

I, too, date women for sociopolitical reasons

barksdalecliff.bsky.social•6 days ago

Apparently….you cannot.. SEE: JD VANCE. Just because you date a black woman that doesn’t mean SHE doesn’t have Stockholm syndrome..

billjarrett.bsky.social•6 days ago

As a white guy, this video was eye opening for me and I really think more people need to watch it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR5zDIjUrfk&t=24s

Also - the book "How to be an Antiracist" has been invaluable to the point I've bought several copies for others also.

duwop.bsky.social•6 days ago

Thank you for sharing this. Eye opening is a good description. Get quite get everything, but a lot sank in.
Is this the book?
https://www.ibramxkendi.com/how-to-be-an-antiracist

billjarrett.bsky.social•6 days ago

That's the book.

tkocreations.com•6 days ago

Ya know, I suppose maybe I can imagine there is some world where a man could make a conscious decision like this and not have it reflect poorly on his character... but none of those worlds involve him writing an article about it.

chuckgrape.bsky.social•6 days ago

Trump has been right about one thing and one thing only. The New York Times is failing.

the-central-fire.bsky.social•6 days ago

ynotask.bsky.social•6 days ago

Had to zoom in on this because I really wanted it to be a Banksy.

cloudcityrockers.bsky.social•4 days ago

🤔💭What is the real root of white male racism?
Maybe 🙌🏿🍆 vs. 🤏🏻🥕?
🤔
#frailwhitemasculinity

js0.bsky.social•5 days ago

White guy: is it ok if I use this person as an object to prove I'm not a bad guy to other white guys?

merryteri.bsky.social•6 days ago

Lame

nycscribbler.bsky.social•6 days ago

"I am feel uncomfortable when we are not about me?"

terraformastudio.bsky.social•6 days ago

That was the cringiest title EVER from The Ethicist, and most of their fodder is cringe to begin with.

davidlewis61.bsky.social•6 days ago

The press is giving "ethics" a a bad name.

sleepysigil.bsky.social•6 days ago

"I'm in love with a woman, but how can I make this about my own image and clout chasing?"

samlowrymoi.bsky.social•6 days ago

It's not even that he's found a woman and wants props because she isn't white.

He's decided that the woman he wants to find needs to be not white to prove to all that he's not racist, it's insane.

goaskalis.bsky.social•6 days ago

Lotta that going around

agingwitch.bsky.social•6 days ago

You gotta hand it to the Ethicist though. His response was seriously funny.

maria0808.bsky.social•6 days ago

🙄

kimberwitch.bsky.social•6 days ago

OMG 🤦🏻‍♀️

aguyinnj.bsky.social•6 days ago

Sulzburger's level of performative anti-DEI has really jumped the shark here. We all know he or one of his lackeys wrote the question just so they could make anti-racist people look stupid

meviv.bsky.social•6 days ago

Then you suddenly realize you live in Sickfuckistan and it all makes sense.

lorno.bsky.social•6 days ago

I'm guessing the author would look down his nose at European royalty, yet he proposes to follow their socially strategic reasons for marriage

linalein.bsky.social•6 days ago

The ethicist’s response killed me 😅.

mrmonkeybusiness.bsky.social•6 days ago

What the fuck is he talking about?

kcatmull.bsky.social•6 days ago

he’s responding to this guy’s crazy letter

joegordon.bsky.social•5 days ago

And in doing that accepting the guy’s framing which turns the lucky future Mrs White Guy into an object, a tool for his betterment, and not an end in herself. Kantian evil. Real nasty shit.

kcatmull.bsky.social•5 days ago

i believe he is pretty darkly satirizing the guy’s framing in order to show the guy “look at what the hell you’re saying”

mrmonkeybusiness.bsky.social•5 days ago

OK, if that's the case, I can respect that.

marcinva.bsky.social•5 days ago

If someone's wife is East Asian, can they now refer to her as roughage because the NYT legitimatized it? Asking for a friend

ebonibunni.bsky.social•6 days ago

...what am I reading

apacheecho.bsky.social•5 days ago

The term “white” oversimplifies and erases the richness of your heritage, reducing complex ancestries to a single, generic label. In our society, cultural identity is often flattened into a binary—either part of the dominant group or not—diminishing the depth and diversity of individual backgrounds.

purduedan.bsky.social•6 days ago

I love The Ethicist. Have read the column for years. But this headline made me feel nauseous. Could not click on that column today. Maybe it’s bad headline writing - lord knows the NYT provides plenty of examples. But it just sounds icky and I don’t want to know.

parisdog.bsky.social•6 days ago

maybe that guy who wrote in the free press about needing to have hero opportunities handed to him can find his opportunity here??

lofifofum.bsky.social•6 days ago

like half of all Oscar winners about race are basically what you just described

klonick.bsky.social•6 days ago

I am hoping this was a fake letter

kenwhite.bsky.social•6 days ago

Kate Kate have you met us

seansatori.bsky.social•6 days ago

Right?!? No bottom is possible when it comes
to White men. Every single time I think I’ve seen it, somebody else surpasses it within days.

klonick.bsky.social•6 days ago

Depending on how I answer this could I get banned from the WH press pool

jvagle.me•6 days ago

“Name Withheld”

sotonohito555.bsky.social•6 days ago

Sadly I'm pretty sure it isn't. My wife is Black and I've run into at one white guy who actually told me he assumed I'm with her for exactly the reason outlined by OOP. I assume if one said it others thought it but didn't say it.

rebeccaore.bsky.social•6 days ago

Unless you date black professionals, and are egalitarian in the relationship, I'll assume you believe that minority women will be more biddable than white women. It's a common myth of less quality men who go to Asia or Latin America for mates who will be ever so grateful for your full wallet.

danloney36.bsky.social•6 days ago

I am once again asking for the New York Times to be bulldozed

are-we-fascist-yet.bsky.social•6 days ago

Why on God's green earth is anyone still reading the ghastly vomit the nyt spews out?

archaeo2020.bsky.social•6 days ago

“How can I make fetishizing women of color sound woke?”

emilyrose.bsky.social•6 days ago

It’s pretty impressive. “Can I be less racist by doing racist stuff?” is a remarkably recalcitrant line of reasoning for white guys.

interestedparty.bsky.social•6 days ago

Eschew endogamy!

nothingsmonstrd.bsky.social•6 days ago

It's our superpower

samlowrymoi.bsky.social•5 days ago

His thing about finding a woman he can elevate using his privilege and family connections cuts to the core of it. He wants a power imbalance and figures someone not white is a good way to achieve that. He's just smearing a thin coat of modern social justice sensibility over it.