Well, honestly people are in different positions when it comes to how to fight that, ...I'm not capable of getting out but helping keep this fascism *from* getting exported would be high on my priority list wherever I was. I might be more help doing better abroad than getting crushed here, too.
Sadly, it doesn’t have to be exported. It already exists. France has much to recommend it but only if you’re White and speak French. Just one example. Ireland is much more chill, but not completely. Italy seems not bad either.
I am value CLIMATE.
I moved to Florida to avoid Canadian winters and now have dual citizenship.
I can't imagine living in Ireland with endless rain and gray skies.
(And I grew up in coastal British Columbia).
I think of Thailand
Or Mexico
Or Portugal
Crete?
Argentina?
Uruguay?
Wait 10 years. It’ll be unliveable closer to the Equator. And Canada will be downright balmy. You think he wants that “51st State” for no reason? That’s another that no one is talking about.
So true!
I was visiting a friend near Tofino BC a decade ago and he was saying how much more pleasant the climate had become.
The only way Canada will become "American" is by military force. And while that is possible, I suspect there would be endless violent civil "disobedience".
My wife and I considered it briefly because of our relationship, but couldn’t live with the thought. It just hands them the country they want to create.
I am armed now though, and looking for my ways to dig my heels in.
Family kidnapped to this country, ancestral ties destroyed. Family only got citizenship thru 13th amendment aka birth right citizenship, before that ancestors could only be tracked thru property ledgers. Think what madness could ensue if this dude actually takes away birth right citizenship.
I am renewing my UK passport-as I was born there) so that I may go to any commonwealth country if I do decide to leave.
I was naturalized as a kid when my parents had to become American citizens for their jobs.
I’d probably go back to Canada where I lived as a kid.
Every country different, in my case cannot produce a birth certificate for any of my grandparents so it's a no. Many countries simply do not want us in particular, so they make it difficult. There are 'immigration' issues the world over! 🤓
Yeah that would not work for me. I would need to seek asylum. 52.1% Mandan, 32.8% Oglala and 15.1 Arapaho. I think any country will take me or am I delusional on asylum opportunities.
Coffee with a friend: his wife is trying to get Latvian citizenship for her and their kids. Friend at Tesla protest: thank goodness I've got NZ citizenship! Friends at last night's birthday party: working on renewing Austrian, German, Polish, British citizenships
I looked into it. My grandmother immigrated here from Sweden when she was three but that does nothing for me in the way of any sort of citizenship track or special consideration in living there as an American. 😕 A friend is well on his way to citizenship in Portugal based on his Jewish genealogy.
Yeah, wondering about that for my Jewish geneology on my grandmas side...I dont even know where to start (she's Cuban, so they couldn't keep any of their papers when they fled).
I received one from TransAmerica recently for my long term care insurance. In that instance I thought it made sense. I’ve never had one from them before.
Depends how bad things get in the USA.
Having option of living in EU may be important.
My father was a refugee.
My mother's family came to Nieuw Amsterdam in 1638
I remember during Trump's first term, a few of my friends were talking about trying to obtain passports through different countries. A couple of them are children of immigrants or their spouses are. It's not good when people are looking for an escape route.
I have often wondered what my Norwegian great-grandfather would think of my desire to immigrate to Norway. He came to the US at turn of the previous century and was able to make a good living for his family working at a flour mill. He never looked back.
French nationality means you can live & work anywhere in the EU. Ireland & Malta are anglophone if you're worried about languages. Don't worry about the civics, you'll pick them up (says someone who's never emigrated!)
I have to apply for French citizenship through my mother, since she never declared me. Getting the paperwork together is straightforward, if annoying, but France has language and civics exams I need to pass at the end of the process to be recognized as a citizen. Only then would I have EU access.
That was the case in the 90s. They changed it so it only flows down to children you have after you earn citizenship. Too many situations of chain migration apparently.
That happened awhile ago but the new changes mean you have to have closer lineage (a grandparent vs great grandparent, iirc now you have to speak Italian.
If you have citizenship but don’t live there you can lose your citizenship if you don’t vote.
You can do it if you had a parent or grandparent of Irish decent , but if it’s a great grandparent, you can get what they call an NBA nationalization by association, which is what I’m working on and it takes anywhere from 30 to 36 months
My grandfather was born in Tipperary. Came to the US at 4 years old. I could.. but my husband, kids and grandkids are here. Also FUCK TRUMP! This Irish girl isn’t going anywhere!
I was looking into Irish ancestry for citizenship and found out that I’m one generation too late to qualify. So I’m stuck here with everyone else if that brings any comfort.
Ngl that would probably be the second option! I feel like I’d really enjoy Holland or the Netherlands. I keep jumping between wanting to stay and needing to go but I really don’t think the later option is something I manage right now. Idk it’s honestly a bit shocking how bad it’s gotten so fast
Same. The other place that might take me would be Ukraine, which is also not exactly a stellar option right now either. Idk if they do the whole “citizenship for decedents of Jews we forced out” thing or not, but it kinda doesn’t matter.
My mother's maiden name is comically Irish, but it came from my Canadian great grandfather. I really wish that was worth another passport or two about now.
Pulled my file out from 2014 regarding nomad citizenship... one could see how media was playing/tilting pro-Trumpism. It's worse now, by far.... post Nov. 2022 when Trump formally announced again.
All of these laws can be changed one year from now or ten. --In fact, Donald Trump is trying to end birthright citizenship.
If we all want universal human rights plus rule of law, and create protections for free movement, we will have to hang together and make it happen for good.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence. No correlation at all to what millions of Americans watching current events are definitely not worried about at all. Everything is fine.
People saying it's cowardly or "self-deportation" clearly don't have transgender kids or a notice from the DOJ that somehow they are no longer a dual or a student.
You’d be surprised. I got citizenship in the Caribbean during Covid. Arrived to find many of the new expats were people avoiding the Covid vaccine in the US and Canada and trying to use bitcoin for everything.
How many dual nationals does the U.S. have? Do their nations have a national service obligation like Turkey, what assures they participate in U.S. politics for the benefit of the U.S. vs their other nation? ( the roots of America first?)
I was born a dual citizen. No most countries don't have national service obligations. I've also voted in every election I was eligible to vote in since I was 18. Some I was in the US and some I lived in Portugal. The US is the bitch of a country to give up citizenship- I have to pay $2350.
Thank you for the “some not all “ information. I used Turkey as Dr Oz served in the Turkish army as part of his obligation as a citizen.
Here is an overview from SKY News. It’s just another variable . Why? Immigrants fleeing to open societies are not pariahs. They should be treated respectfully.
All of my grandparents were born in the US. Mother’s side were from Italy, father’s side were from Russia. I would love to live in Italy (not Russia) but I think I am one generation beyond who can get citizenship or even permanent residency.
I gave up trying to get my passport from Italy a few years ago since the wait for an appointment at the consulate was over a year or two and even then it was impossible to get an appointment bc any time they released them they went faster than Taylor Swift tickets. Can’t imagine what it is like now.
US citizens are still obliged to pay income tax (over a certain limit) to the US, wherever they live, so you'd still be funding the madness if you earn good money.
I have the option to go to Israel or possibly Ukraine. The more recent immigrant side of my family doesn’t get me any further than the side that’s been here since the 1600s. You’re not missing much.
Right? I’m not even sure if Ukraine does the “citizenship for decedents of Jews we forced out” thing. I haven’t had reason to check.
The other half of my family is from Pennsylvania. Like except my grandparents’ branch, they’re all still in the same town they’ve been in since the 1600s.
I mentioned to my dad once that my husband was pursuing recognition of his Italian citizenship (a door that has since closed 😭) and asked about our Portuguese ancestry, and he couldn’t understand why anyone would want either. Pretty sure he voted for Trump 3x.
I’ve been looking at Lithuanian citizenship via my grandfather, though he emigrated to Paris as a teenager in the 1920s, became a French citizen, then left for the US after the war and naturalized here so he wouldn’t be called up to fight in Algeria.
My cousin, whose mother was British, just went and got her UK citizenship. I am a bit envious. I am one generation removed from being able to claim Irish citizenship via my paternal grandmother.
That's a good sign that WaPo thinks people might be looking for a safe haven in case the US turns into a dangerous autocracy. It's a bad thing that this is a legit concern.
As an Irish person you're welcome in Ireland provided that you're willing to assimilate into Irish culture which means no guns, supporting freedom from occupation in Palestine and supporting trans people. Bonus points for learning gaeilge and watching some hurling 🫡
With the older Simpsons reference in your profile I think you'll fit in just fine regardless! We're oddly obsessed with it probably because it was one of the only shows aimed at our demographic that played on the national broadcaster.
Depends on the field but I'd say tarrifs will have an impact because we're so dependent as the gateway to Europe. I don't think the job market is too bad but the housing situation is awful though. It's pronounced sow-in (like the pig/rhymes with how)
Our healthcare system in general is absolutely awful. I was speaking more in terms of cultural acceptance. We brought in legislation in 2015 allowing people to self-declare their gender and this doesn't require you to be medically transitioning. We were 4th in the world to do it.
This was actually pretty non-controversial at the time and passed with relatively little fanfare by a centre-right government. Our public services are awful but the publics perception of trans people is pretty welcoming. But lots more work to be done in healthcare for sure.
There's a lot of free resources on Tik Tok and Irish language influencers that are a great place to start if you're really interested! But we tend to be very impressed when people can speak just a few words.
I worked in hospitality and had to explain to an American student that only one squadron of our police force carried guns because he was furious our security didn't have any. Think it broke his brain. It's very rare to have one here unless you're hunting
We moved a little over 5 years ago; no family connections, so critical skills, but it’s been great for us. Have compiled protips here, but defo easier if you’re already a citizen, of course. https://www.movetoireland.us
We typically say Gaeilge (gwale-guh) to differentiate from Scots Gaelic and the sport :) honestly a few words gets you very far in Ireland we're delighted when people make an effort to speak it at all
Apologies - will try to remember Gaeilge! I keep wanting to say things like I loved Sharon Horgan in Catastrophe to show that I could adapt. But I know that Irish culture is much more than the handful of books and shows that make it here, and I’d love to spend more time in Ireland.
For example, I know the German law behind this. You can only get dual citizenship if your parent was German at the time of your birth, or your ancestors were forcefully relocated from Germany by the communists.
it's time consuming to gather all the needed documents.
But you don't need any language competency.
A friend, whose jewish grandfather fled in the 30s got his german passport this way and he knows all of 4 words in german.
I don't know the specifics - as it's all secondhand, but I would say I definitely heard that they make an effort to make it easier than it otherwise would be.
I was told stories that one of my grandmothers and her family literally fled here from Nazi Germany to escape Hitler. They're very Jewish. Maybe they were lying. Who knows, but it's absolutely happening again. I'll tell you that.
My great-grandfather left before even World War I. (That he spent time in Deutsches Ost-Afrika should probably be a big hint… hey, wasn't there a second genocide that Germany acknowledged they perpetuated… oh.)
I know a Jews born in a German DP camp are not allowed to use that to become a German citizen if their parents weren’t German even tho the only reason they were in the DP camp was due to the actions of the Germans.
However, having German ancestry can help in acquiring your citizenship early, since they are allowed to give you citizenship on a discretionary basis at any time. But I would not generally lean on such a request being granted.
I'm not all the way Irish but I'm you know... I mean never mind what my middle name is. It's very Irish. Let's just leave it at that 🌝
Oh man, what if I could get home after all? How crazy would that be? I'd happy cry until the day I died.
While I don't feel like a healthy society encourages its population to seek dual citizenship, I also feel like ICE would somehow twist this innocuous status into "bad"
My wife and I have Irish grandparents who came to the US. We’re getting Irish citizenship. In fact, I think we should move back to Ireland and tell our relations: “Sorry. We gave it a try, but we’re back.”
Haha. I looked up getting Italian citizenship from my Italian born great grandparents. I am disqualified bc on their American Naturalization form they abdicated allegiance to the King of Italy. Lolz. Like they had a choice or cared at that point?
My most recently immigrant ancestors were my great-great-grandparents, from Denmark & Germany. Even my Canadian ancestors emigrated to the USA 6-7 generations ago.
* i meant, "is it good when u live in a country where this is the story one of its major newspapers is pushing out to its readers?" (i am aware of the process, issue, etc)
“Is it good when u live in a country where one of its major newspapers publishes a story on how to cope with the scarcity of eggs and their high prices by substituting potatoes and coloring them for Easter?”
TBH, this is behind the curve. Wealth managers have been advising clients to develop “passport portfolios” - yes, more than 1 as backups - for several years now. There are shortlists of countries with easy requirements and even pay for play. Asset diversification = name of the game.
I would go back to Wiltshire in a heartbeat. But I doubt they would take me since it was 1644 when they came, and when they got here, they were a minority in Wethersfield Connecticut. But so proud that our family genealogy from 1894 states that they refused to take land from the native Americans.
No, it's not good - it's a weather vane, but useful information nevertheless.
I dragged my heels on US citizenship for many years. Trump's election in 2016 spurred me back into action. My fear was deportation risk for greencard holders. Seems they weren't unfounded.
Of course not, but many of us are coming to the realization that the way of life in other countries are closer to “American Ideals” than America itself.
Oh you, wanting people to expand their mind and experience new things. I like that and wish more people would experience the world we live in and on. It’s one hell of a spaceship
Self-deport is an option for some sure, but it’s not the most helpful to everyone else and it only goes to serve the interests of the regime. People need to do what they can live with. My wife and I talked about it, but I couldn’t stomach thriving as my people suffered.
🙏 hoping that Canada will follow through on repatriating Cajuns and it's always curious to think about how life would have been different if not for the French and Indian war.
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I moved to Florida to avoid Canadian winters and now have dual citizenship.
I can't imagine living in Ireland with endless rain and gray skies.
(And I grew up in coastal British Columbia).
I think of Thailand
Or Mexico
Or Portugal
Crete?
Argentina?
Uruguay?
I was visiting a friend near Tofino BC a decade ago and he was saying how much more pleasant the climate had become.
The only way Canada will become "American" is by military force. And while that is possible, I suspect there would be endless violent civil "disobedience".
I am armed now though, and looking for my ways to dig my heels in.
On another, I missed the cutoff for citizenship elsewhere by one generation
I was naturalized as a kid when my parents had to become American citizens for their jobs.
I’d probably go back to Canada where I lived as a kid.
Times we live in
Having option of living in EU may be important.
My father was a refugee.
My mother's family came to Nieuw Amsterdam in 1638
They are second generation immigrants and still have family there, so fair enough.
But when countries are going back 5 generations, it’s not a culture thing. It’s trying to repopulate with the right skin color.
If you have citizenship but don’t live there you can lose your citizenship if you don’t vote.
While Hungary is not ... a place I would want to live, it's still a Schengen country, which opens up a lot of Europe.
me at all sadly 😞
If we all want universal human rights plus rule of law, and create protections for free movement, we will have to hang together and make it happen for good.
Nicaragua? Pass.
Guatemala? Pass.
Sorry but those governments aren’t doing too great either. I’ll stay put and fight.
People saying it's cowardly or "self-deportation" clearly don't have transgender kids or a notice from the DOJ that somehow they are no longer a dual or a student.
It's like watching drunks get angry in a bar, you check your exits and maybe place yourself on the door side of the pool table.
He'll give you a
"GOLD" CARD 🙄
#Grifting
https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/trump-s-5m-gold-card-visa-scheme-brought-to-life-by-elon-musk-s-doge-team-report/ar-AA1D3tgt
Here is an overview from SKY News. It’s just another variable . Why? Immigrants fleeing to open societies are not pariahs. They should be treated respectfully.
Trump could legitimately come to Scotland.
(We’re mostly children and grandchildren of immigrants, example ♾️)
We're undoubtedly kin, then.
Don't follow what we did and vote yourselves into a void 😉
The other half of my family is from Pennsylvania. Like except my grandparents’ branch, they’re all still in the same town they’ve been in since the 1600s.
Unfortunately my Irish ancestors were just a little tol far back to qualify.
Unless your options are Belarus and Kazakhstan 😂
So, depends on your question.
2024 map: https://transhealthmap.tgeu.org/
It sure does, so let us light the way to the exit for all of you Americans who were foolish enough to buy into the idea of "America"...Signed:
Jeff Bezos
[At least, that appears to be the gist of this. Of his ownership of the Washington Post.]
For example, I know the German law behind this. You can only get dual citizenship if your parent was German at the time of your birth, or your ancestors were forcefully relocated from Germany by the communists.
at the german consulate in NYC they serve lochs and bagels at the citizenship ceremony for, um - obvious reasons.
But you don't need any language competency.
A friend, whose jewish grandfather fled in the 30s got his german passport this way and he knows all of 4 words in german.
but, it will take time and quite a bit of effort, and some money (though nothing insane)
but if you can establish that concretely the german government just gives you a passport. collective historic guilt in your favor.
Live in Germany 8 years, speak German.
Have ancestors who were persecuted by the Nazis.
Irish is much easier though!
Oh man, what if I could get home after all? How crazy would that be? I'd happy cry until the day I died.
Guess stay & fight is my only option, too.
American carnage
(Which is not a good sign for WaPo.)
I dragged my heels on US citizenship for many years. Trump's election in 2016 spurred me back into action. My fear was deportation risk for greencard holders. Seems they weren't unfounded.
The WaPo is doing a public service - I'm surprised it snuck past Bezos.