worth noting that the incident described here took place *at most* four months after biden took office. he was like this the whole time. everyone was lying to us
What's most fucked up is that this really highlights just how much power is given to unelected staffers who, provided their public stories line up, can actually run shit on their own.
Add that to the long list of ways in which our country fails to be a worth-a-shit democracy I guess.
So, you're asserting that you watched Joe Biden's speeches and meetings at his trips to Europe and Africa this fall and you believe the narrative that the Kremlin's trolls have been pushing for years about him suffering from dementia?
I'm tired and bitter right now, so whether or not I believe he was senile in 2001, he was definitely not fit to run for office in 2024, and he should never have tried. There should have been a primary and a chance to distance from him. I will forever blame him and the establishment dems for that.
I think our eyes and ears can definitely tell us that Biden has lost a step or two since the Obama years, but for things suggesting the man's brain was leaking out of his ears I'd want either corroborating evidence from another media outlet, or proof that this one was reporting the same about Trump.
As it stands, a piece like this coming out weeks before the inauguration suggests some advance work in the press so that when Trump starts shitting himself at the podium in a few weeks every rebuttal will start off with "b-b-but Biden!"
They both were too old to be in charge of a Dairy Queen, let alone the county. I'm never voting for anyone over "Gen X" at the oldest again. I'm so done.
Fair. I think I'll always hold it against him that he strongly suggested he would only ever be a one-term president, and then we saw everything else that happened. So this may be confirmation bias, but it doesn't really change how much I will hate him for that.
Explains a lot about that picture where Obama is walking out of a meeting with Biden with the largest "I'm fine don't ask me how I'm doing" expression you can imagine
Actually, I think people dislike the man because he's 1. A war criminal 2. Wrote a 1994 crime bill that led to mass incarceration, specifically targeting brown & black communities 3. Anita Hill. It's weird that you both feel comfortable defending him tbh.
Ofc the 2024 loss was caused by many things but I think the individual who is most to blame is Biden, who insisted he could do it when he obviously could not. Such a waste of time and money. A gift to the Republicans.
Joe Biden today remains a thousand times better and more effective a chief executive than Donald Trump, which is the only question that mattered in 2020 and was the only question that mattered in 2024, but go off
Job one of Joe Biden was to keep Trump out of office. He failed. Now all the good Joe did will either be undone or Trump will get all the credit for it. Every other major candidate in the 2020 primary would have done better and would have won 2020 if Joe was honest about his condition back then.
A more transparent process would absolutely have been healthier, no argument there. Even so, there was nothing for Democrats to gain by calling Biden’s health into question when he was facing a manifestly deteriorating opponent. But I’m sure it makes the dirtbag left feel better about themselves.
Except we saw a complete abdication of responsibility on the part of people who knew the US hung in the balance. And they're still in charge of 'the opposition.' So how is that going to work out? Whatever ideas they had about 'the solution' to Trump have completely FAILED.
That would be true except the Dems publicly expressing their lack of confidence in him is what caused him to step down. Harris had a much better chance at winning.
It's very likely Bernie would have won if Biden had been honest with the American people. Bernie, who happens to do really well with the latino and young vote that really cost Harris the election.
But Biden finally did step down when Palosi and the donors finally did call Biden's health into question. So there's that. Turns out the dirt bag was in the white house the whole time.
I swear at this point if we found out the D party literally forged millions of votes for trump, online democrats would say "well if you online leftists didn't criticise the dems so much maybe it would have made up for it"
For 8 years people said if nobody SAID ANYTHING NEGATIVE then everything would be fine. But how are you going to keep people from never saying anything negative? People were pretty quiescent for a time and it simply didn't help.
And they waited until *this summer* to decide to run someone else.... Lots of parallels to 1930s Germany in this whole thing, but the Hindenburg (86-yo president) & Hitler dynamic is certainly one of them.
Which is terrifying when you consider the stock pile of world ending nukes the US has, why Americans keep putting men with brains made of Swiss cheese in control of them is bananas
My mind often goes back to the 2020 debate where he was asked what we need to do to repair the legacy of slavery and he said Black parents need to play the phonograph at night for their kids. That was before he was even president!
It cannot be overstated. The Democratic Party should be burned to the ground because of this. It should cease to exist. It should become the Whigs or the No Nothings.
He was cognitively impaired a full year before the midterms and still thought he could be President for another term and a half. If he drops out in ‘22 we at least have a chance.
Don't forget clearing the way for Kamala. Given this looks like it was happening even before he took office, I'd be willing to bet that potentially stepping down for her at the last minute was part of the deal. She knew she'd never win a primary
I don't think so. I'm pretty sure he and everyone around him planned for him to run for the second term and that Harris's gamble was on him dying in office, not on him stepping down after the primary when he fucked up a debate.
He should have stepped down from the presidency and give Harris a chance to make some moves to differentiate herself. It was logically inconsistent to drop from race but stay prez.
Yes, he sure shit all over the world.
* Violated US law to enable a genocide
* Hosted an internationally wanted war criminal at the White House
* disaster of a pull out from Afghanistan
* got Trump re-elected
Yes, no blame falls to the entity which provided 70% of the bombs used.
Are you suggesting that if Biden hadn't sent 20 billion dollars worth of bombs to Israel, Netanyahu would have snuck into the warehouse and stolen them anyway? Nothing would have changed?
Americans of all people do not get to say "this things my country enabled is nothing to do with my country".
Children were killed by American bombs. It is EVERYTHING to do with America. It happened because America made a decision that it should happen and continue to happen.
Going from Trump to Biden and back to Trump, both of whom are clearly extremely mentally diminished, have a theory that we don't need a president at all.
I know the "Weekend at Bernie's" jokes have been used for this thing for literal years now but it is genuine malpractice for his cabinet, inner circle, aides, journalist core, et al. to have propped up this demented husk up until (and far beyond) the point of no return.
I remember when I decided to listen to his podcast during his presidential run and the first thing I hear is "you look very awake today, sir" followed by Biden talking about his legacy after he dies
I am fine with a weekend at Biden's presidency as long as they get good legislation passed. We had the most progressive and capable administration since LBJ
But they didn't take care of any of the weak spots that will help Trump/Musk be the catastrophe they're going to be. No one dealing with extremism in ICE, the military, SCOTUS, the Secret Service, the USPS. The whole country was left high and dry.
Yeah. I don't know. Maybe after Jan 6 they couldn't imagine Trump returning to office. Maybe they couldn't imagine the supreme court granting trump immunity and making him a king.
Even now there is still time. But maybe they identify more with the oligarchs than the people
The current president might not be all there. Maybe nobody is minding the store. Advisers are simply doing what they personally want. They could point him in one direction or the other if what is being reported is the case—but I suspect they got what they want out of the situation.
Biden will go down in history as the President that lost Roe and set the foundations for Trans people to lose their rights, both by banning care for trans kids of military families and in laying out the exact loopholes they'd need to use in his Title IX policy
Trump has never made much sense so the difference isn’t as stark. Not sure he is any more with it honestly. He was definitely less intelligent when both were at their prime. Buuuuut, this ain’t great.
So do you not think it's a matter of public concern that we've been overtly lied to about the mental capacity of our president for the past 4 years, or do you think that fact needs to be accompanied with disclaimers about trump at every mention regardless of context?
I care a lot, actually. It’s definitely part of why we get four more years of Trump. But for it to be a big story without pointing out that the next guy is the same age is misdirection at a bare minimum.
The political class doesn't turn 80+ and miraculously age slower than mee-maw and pop-pop wtf is wrong with people.
Your own family members get old and have lucid moments, maybe days long, maybe minutes long. It's all in the range of "normal" when you're old and yes it was Biden.
Oh man, all the Biden Dead Enders showing up in any thread about politics to go "most progressive president since LBJ!!!" as though he and the other around him didn't just shit the bed so bad we're getting Trump Round 2 makes me crazy
I attended the primary debate in 2019 in Houston and live-tweeted my observation that Biden sometimes looked lost and appeared to have some kind of cognitive impairment then. I was attacked as being “ableist” against people who stutter.
It's insane they tried to hide it as long as they did. Everyone in his cabinet/campaign should be fired into the sun politico wise and the party burned to the ground over it.
The Democrats: We'll Elder Abuse to try to hold power™ is a hell of a slogan for them.
Literally read a reddit comment just the other day defending biden and his stutter by saying it only presented in recent years because his brain doesn't work well enough to stop the stutter.
The last time Biden had a problem with a stutter, Dwight Eisenhower was in the White House and most reading these words here today were decades away from even being born.
absolutely wild the extent to which we weren't supposed to criticize Joe being pushed as the candidate (because it's “ableist” and “ageist” primarly) despite a pretty competitive primary (even if some of them were a bit... sketchy *cough* TVLSI *cough*)
There was one today about them meeting with him (along with a ton of Resistance Grifters) at the white house *DURING THE GODDAMN DAY* when he wouldn't be sundowning saying he was "fine" and I had to go crazy in private before blocking that dipshit.
I wouldn't say that they were lying, but this is a Murdoch publication with a history of saying some wild shit about ideological opponents so I would at least approach this information cautiously, right?
But of course it could be totally true. Even under Murdoch.
It also kind of shows that not a lot of stuff falls apart if the president is out-to-lunch, unless others in the administration are deliberately trying to break something. Bureaucracy's resilience to good change also gives it some resilience to bad conditions
It's crazy that the 2024 pitch of "nothing really fucked up that bad while we were asleep at the wheel" didn't pan out though. You'd think the average joe'd be ecstatic to hear about the general resilience of our institutions
after that awful press conference where he called zelenskyy putin and said that trump was his running mate, libs were saying that oh, only the US papers were focusing on his senility, and international papers were instead talking about what a great job he did.
All the legislation passed, that just happened with a doddering old fool? Also explain the SUTU address. It was a knockout. Obviously he declined, but to say it was that way 4 months after he took office is a huge leap.
and if he lost in 2020 none of this would be happening right now.
Sure things would be different, but MAGA would not have survived dealing with inflation and we could have them discarded by now, but instead, here we are.
My guess is that the kind of people who made everything not work out starting in 2016 are going to be the people in charge forever. They don't care if things work out. They care about being in charge of the ship while it burns and sinks.
They're the people who made everything not work out in 2008, and Obama's biggest mistake was giving them control of the party in exchange for a smooth convention
Yeah, I suppose it looked safer to him. He generally did what was safest. In the short run it was, but in the long run we might conclude it wasn’t terribly safe for the future of the country.
At least the third. Nixon didn't have any cognitive decline, but he was mentally unstable enough that Kissinger and the Pentagon worried about him starting WWIII unilaterally, and official reports on Trump's mental health aren't the most trustworthy.
I think there's a larger question here. Even if Uncle Joe was super competent with the mind of a 35 year old, would that have made any material difference to his Presidency?
Not saying this isn't true, but the Wall Street Journal is a Rupert Murdoch rag. Usually the reporting is fine but I wouldn't take their word for anything
you guys really need to learn to shut the fuck up and realize when you fucked up hard. This is your fucking fault because you do shit like this instead of demanding standards.
A sensible person might have realized that we had options besides a senile Biden or a senile Trump, and that the people covering this up prevented us from having a chance to choose them because they were afraid a primary might choose a leftist.
You’re comparing politicians supporting a leader showing the natural signs of ageing, with ones openly supporting a fascist. I know whivj I think is ‘evil’.
I think the people who are supposed to be the left-wing party handing Trump the election on a silver platter entirely out of personal greed and petty internal politics are more evil than some guy who openly says "I support trump" yeah
They are comparing consultants and officers prioritizing their own jobs over Democrats winning the 2024 election against a fascist as like supporting a fascist, in that it involved them helping the fascist win.
That's the thing, the line of succession doesn't kick in when Joe's having a bad day. Kamala doesn't take over from 4pm until bed, or on a day where Joe thinks he's going fishing with Beau. The President of the US is a group of unelected people hired because their dad knew Joe back in the day or w/e
Not even a leftist (no presidential candidate can be, at most they can be a socdem), but like, any center-left, somewhat progressive politician. Walz *had the juice, even as VP*, and the dems just threw that away
You’re inferring that Biden was incapable of governing, and not merely having a senior moment every now and then, exactly as we’d expect of someone that age? Clearly he’s not incapable of governing though is he?
Joe Biden dropped out of the race because he acted during a debate exactly like he had been acting since 2021 as president.
He should have announced he wasn't running for a second term in 2021, or people should have announced it for him, and democrats could have had a primary and won in 2024.
there's a real case to be made that an ineffectual, economically impotent biden admin that only paid lip service to marginalized groups while neglecting people at large did more to prime this country for and validate the ideals of fascism than a second consecutive trump admin would have
biden made people hungry for an alternative that the democrats have not only failed to offer but have actively sabotaged, and meanwhile the GOP has become more organized and bloodthirsty
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And anybody who truly gives a shit can shove Reagan's nappy pillow up their ass.
thanks dr biden for making this all possible
Add that to the long list of ways in which our country fails to be a worth-a-shit democracy I guess.
That's certainly your choice.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/russia-spreading-disinformation-bidens-mental-health-dhs/story?id=72879355
But I agree, his complete fuck up in letting Trump back into office will certainly make him the second most consequential.
Keep up the great work guys 👍
But given that he was running, there was literally nothing to be gained by Dems publicly expressing their lack of confidence in him.
What is more important? winning elections, or the jobs of some consultants?
* Violated US law to enable a genocide
* Hosted an internationally wanted war criminal at the White House
* disaster of a pull out from Afghanistan
* got Trump re-elected
That's literally his legacy.
Are you suggesting that if Biden hadn't sent 20 billion dollars worth of bombs to Israel, Netanyahu would have snuck into the warehouse and stolen them anyway? Nothing would have changed?
Children were killed by American bombs. It is EVERYTHING to do with America. It happened because America made a decision that it should happen and continue to happen.
Nancy used Psychics to plan Ronald’s schedule after the unsuccessful assassination attempt made on his life 🌙
If the Psychic said the day was astrologically “unsafe” all meetings were cleared.
Nancy knew how TV worked, she never let him be filmed in a poor light 💡
Even now there is still time. But maybe they identify more with the oligarchs than the people
You could argue that he should have pursued the investigation of Thomas during the Anita Hill hearings ages ago, but that's kind of a stretch
Your own family members get old and have lucid moments, maybe days long, maybe minutes long. It's all in the range of "normal" when you're old and yes it was Biden.
The Democrats: We'll Elder Abuse to try to hold power™ is a hell of a slogan for them.
But of course it could be totally true. Even under Murdoch.
Sure things would be different, but MAGA would not have survived dealing with inflation and we could have them discarded by now, but instead, here we are.
Have standards for the people who are paid to represent you. Don't just defend the party blindly.
He should have announced he wasn't running for a second term in 2021, or people should have announced it for him, and democrats could have had a primary and won in 2024.
Don’t get me wrong I like HRC but things would have been very different if she and Joe had battled it out in that primary.