What would the point be of another Trump impeachment when he’s a lame duck and Rs won’t convict him?
Dems need an answer for the remnant of resistance people who are demanding impeachment but far more important for them to use normal Oversight powers effectively.
Dems need an answer for the remnant of resistance people who are demanding impeachment but far more important for them to use normal Oversight powers effectively.
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Aaron Rupar
Schumer on CNN stops short of saying impeaching Trump would be a priority for Dems if they retake Congress
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#DONT_FALL_FOR_IT
https://youtu.be/Mxzwvd8cudo?si=J4nF2Wdh0mWj_2qt
(Still needs to happen if the opportunity presents itself, but I wouldn’t expect anything to come of it)
Like flammable and inflammable. 🔥
Learned that one the hard way. 🙄
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And if they won’t convict even when he’s at 20% approval (or w/e) that will be the last nail in their coffin
WGAF if he's a "lame duck" when he is selling MAGA 2028 merch & his minions may well make that play
& as pressure & illegality mount, it's possible R's may turn
Don't dismiss it
And the "R's have abdicated their responsibility so why try" is pathetic.
Why not post about that instead of piling on Dems in the minority. The absolute pass the press gives the GOP is pathetic and condemnable.
1941-1945 were only 4 years also.
It worked to shape public opinion
(This doesn't address the problem of Republicans not voting to remove them from office, though.)
b) shifts public opinion
The only reason not to is that some think it will make him *more* popular and Dems look less effective but I would disagree
I’m not sure it’s possible for Dems to look weaker. Impeachment is a show of strength
This isn’t a fucking game. Just do what’s right for once
They should run on it because it’s the right thing to do, and because being spineless cowards is why their current approval ratings are so low.
Impeach once you have the votes in the Senate. Otherwise the impeachment is the news vice why he should be impeached.
Congress should have stayed an extra 20 minutes on Jan 6th and finished him off.
Everything else is just continuing normalization of corruption and erosion of public trust.
Two of Iowa, Ohio, Florida, Texas, Kansas, or Montana would have to flip in addition to flipping ME and NC, as well as holding everything we currently have
You do it because IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. And shows America that Dems will do something about this madness, which is something a lot of people (both on the left and right) do not believe Dems will do.
The "it won't matter who's in charge" belief hurts Dems in elections.
People like it when you hold people accountable for their illegal and cruelty acts. That's how you win elections. Otherwise people stay home
maybe that’s not what you mean
but that’s what I hear
Is there a consensus that this hurt the GOP or helped it? (I can't recall)
If the goal is winning in 2028 I don’t know what impeachment does for Dems.
Vance a free ride to the nomination.
You've been in DC too long if you can't see how this would go, Dave. And we need to save the country before 2028.
But beyond that, there's a lot of internal tension in MAGA and Trump is the glue that holds it all together. Get rid of him and the house of cards falls down. Dems should be happy to run against incumbent Vance in 2028.
1) Is Trump really a lame duck? He and his supporters sure as hell don't think he is.
2) I expect a lot of normies/low-info types are still unaware that Trump is on a crime spree. Shouting "impeachment" might cause them to pay attention.
https://supreme.findlaw.com/legal-commentary/the-case-for-a-gore-clinton-ticket.html
IOW depression conditions.
Applying pressure to the administration and exposing their lawlessness is.
Before mid terms and after mid terms, as often as necessary.
Congress must restrain the president and voters should empower them to do so.
Impeach away. Just don’t think it means the same thing it did to people in the 20th century.
Hell — every hour.
Make a big deal of it, and do the other things you mention too.
Their response to everything that he does that is ethically or morally repugnant is to say "I haven't seen that" or "this is the first I've heard of it."
Make them go on fucking record in support of his illegal shit.
But running America like a failed casino, turning justice into a weapon, trampling US citizens' rights - these are not 'fine'.
1. It’s likely that Dems seeks to vigorously investigate wrongdoing (as they should) and that the WH will defy all subpoenas. What then?
2. A court throws up its hands and says, “The executive branch is in defiance of our order. There’s one remedy left and that’s up to Congress.”
To talk about the REASONS for impeachment.
EVERY DAY. EVERYWHERE.
The point is to DO SOMETHING.
Heck, impeach and convict the next Dem, if he or she starts criming.
Don’t want to do it - get the Hell out of the way
Not impeaching him is called violating one's oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
We impeach because we're not conceding that these offenses aren't impeachable. Maybe Dave wants to concede that ground, but I sure as he'll don't.
Charge with treason
The point is to lay the information out there in a way that cannot be ignored. “He is violating his oath in these ways.” And then you do it for the next crime and the next…
Hearing after hearing.. don't impeach the fucker (it won't go anywhere) but after each hearing have a bill proposed to stop whatever action was covered in the hearing.
But right now the GOP controls the oversight committees in both houses. But yes, raise the stink and promise to expose the criminality when they are back in control.
No Dem has objected to unanimous consent to move the Trump agenda forward and force roll call votes.
Only one Dem has engaged in a filibuster.
They could do these things. They aren't.
It's like when they abandoned the Trump impeachment for Valentine's Day.
Are you getting it yet, Dave?
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And you need to write about it unless you’re happy to live in an oligarchy & kakistocracy.
Trimp:
"I'm telling you, there's never been anybody impeached as often as me... I'm the first to be impeached three times... There's never been a president like me."
Another record for him.
These questions have pretty much the same answer.
Otherwise, Republicans will say smth like, "See? Even Democrats don't think Trump did anything wrong!"
Silence is consent, so if they want to object, to say this isn't normal, & it's not ok, they have to affirmatively say so.
If something doesn't do that, let's spend our time and $$ on something that does.
Not just for POTUS, but also to force the Rs to state, for the record, if they support the Constitution or an increasingly corrupt executive.
It would also serve to counteract the Trump camp’s “flood the zone” tactic. Let’s flood the zone with stories Trump doesn’t want.
So he only has two years to install fascism and do harm instead of four years to work on it.
Because a chastened JD Vance will not push the fascism as hard.
Make everyone aware who voted yes or no for generations to come.
Dems are addicted to Trump and have absolutely nothing to offer besides whining about Trump.
It’s an affliction.
You impeach him because that’s the only available constitutional recourse for the fact that he is committing crimes. If the law doesn’t matter today, it won’t tomorrow.
He will potentially kill many people with these policies, too. These
This won’t just ‘go back to normal,’ all our weaknesses as a nation have been
This is a wild ass thing to happen and if you don’t get why they need to be forced from office and tried I just don’t know what to say to you.
The researchers leaving don’t have to come back; they can go anywhere and be treated better than this.
Why should we take those good ol' Klan boys to trial when we know the locals aren't going to convict?
He's abusing the office. Prosecution is worthwhile.
Embarrassing. Pathetic. Worthless.
An important point.
Impeachment is the very obvious right thing.
Nihilism, apathy and perfectionism, on the other hand...Well...
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
You are stupid.
Give it more daylight and explainers. It's fairly indefensible.
But what do I know
DEMS DONT HAVE THE POWER TO IMPEACH.
So why is the lame MSM out here trying to stir up anti Dem fervor by
asking what might happen in TWO YEARS ?!?
Hasn’t anyone read Project 25?
To prevent the next guy from going further.
He’s floating the idea he can run again.
And he shouldn’t be the only one.
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We work and work and work, and get the votes we need to impeach and remove, and survive.
It would unfortunately give us Vance and I worry he's more dangerous.
The second point is every GOP member who stops it has a built-in negative ad now ready to exploit.
In general, the better use is to use oversight powers and denying unanimous consent.
It is short, simple, and just self-effacing enough while still still holding a knife.
Hell, we didn't get the Constitution right on the first two tries either. It took at least 29 goes.
But hey. Who the hell are we for demanding equal justice under the law? How gauche!