My oven is a pretty standard thing but it has this feature called "rapid preheat" where it will run both the broil and the bake elements together until it's within 50° of your target.
This feature is approximately 700X more useful and interesting than having it connected to the internet.
This feature is approximately 700X more useful and interesting than having it connected to the internet.
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It's an oven. It's just a hot box you put food in. I don't really need it to think for me, but it sure would be nice if it could get hot faster.
And lo, it does. No subscriptions or anything!
https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/i-wont-connect-my-dishwasher-your-stupid-cloud
But I must activate de functionality manually each time in advance so I can control it.
Thing is, at the moment I open the oven door, that functionality get deactivated and I lose the web control of it.
If they implement this down the road, I'm blaming you. :P
Although when replacing controllers for dumb appliances it can be easy to get carried away...
You’re sure its not using AI to do that? If not directly, by having some Nvidia graphics cards bolted around the cabinet?
I kinda wish my over the range microwave were connected so I could control its lights with Home Assistant, but recognize it would open the door to something very, very stupid.
Maybe I should just tape another light to the bottom of it...
But if you just need extra light or emergency lights, they're wonderful.
But being able to plug them into batteries during power cuts is a big change here in the mountains.
Had the same thought when I got a keurig and it came with IoT. Still need to load it with a pod to make coffee.... Even if it is over the internet
to let you just put some sort of frozen dinner in right away when you get home rather than having to wait for preheat
An extra 5-10 minutes to preheat manually is part of the meal prep.
A wyze camera pointed at it has done me wonders.
(The other is my coffee mug, and I've used the app once to set it up, then ignored it forever)
1995: Hey this internet thing is cool
2000: Things are sure coming down in price
2010: Remote services sure are useful
2015: WTF is blockchain?
2020: Streaming is great for lockdowns
2022: Things are sure going up in price
2024: AI is sus
2025: We've made a huge mistake
But her relationship with technology is a rocky one to say the least, so the fact that it also has unwanted smart features probably makes this new feature seem undesirable, too.
And programmable modes are nice, although I haven't had one with decent programmable modes since pre-internet devices.
It's more handy for the appliances in the basement, I admit. Laundry's done!
It wasn't adding the wifi that made the programmable modes bad, it was that they didn't actually make it any easier to use.
It's kinda nuts how not-hot the cooktop is when the oven just inches below is at 450
(not recommended unless you know what you are doing)
The oven I had in the 1970s had this feature. You mean there are ovens that don't do this?
#appliances
Some local stuff is useful like it telling you your laundry is done, or preheat is complete.
I don't want to have to stop doing laundry late at night.
I don't want to keep my windows closed on a nice night.
Maybe they set, like, timers or something i dunno
On my washer/dryer, disabling the Internet breaks nothing of meaning. No features are lost. My phone still reminds me it's done when I'm home.
It has value to me and many other people. I can negate all the downsides by having an iot network with no Internet, but just lan access. No security concerns.
Even those who don't buy/use the things are victims of harm; The devices are part of botnets and dataleaks often involve 3rd parties.
If they can't tell me, I don't touch it.
Or does it without the connection.
Rapid preheat would be soooo amazing!
NOW THATS PROGRESS BABY (and not at all end game capitalism)
(Idk if they still are, but fuck samsung)
Mmmm I can smell the leather of my wallet getting burned just thinking about it.
*each 🤫
I don't need to start my oven remotely from my phone, but I would love a rapid preheat feature at times.
Eh? Yeah?
OK, I tried.
Ofc the oven could have a camera, but then you've got to trust that the oven manufacturer doesn't let just anyone look at the camera stream.
Nahh
Did you get those anti piracy ads on American DVD
Maybe that's the strategy - just wait until the fancy features are available on budget models that can't afford to put Internet in them for BoM cost reasons.
But strangely enough that's essentially what my oven's doing.
Kids tell me it’s good to make “chicken nuggets”. Learn new things every day.
Also why would you require your oven to turn on when you are 9 hours to 50 hours away from home?
However, for other stuff you WANT a full preheat + extra time so that the walls of the oven are equal with the air. This can make a BIG difference with bread and certain other baked goods.
This is good, though, for roast veggies or proteins or baked pasta dishes...
This isn't actually a problem.
Still a very cool feature and and about 1000x more useful than the oven having an IP address.
I just assumed that's how electric ovens worked.
Is there advantage to not using all the elements I'm not thinking of?
It creates extremely hot air, hotter than the target temperature, and is prone to hotspots. Just, hotter than users expect!
Some recipes work better if you put them into a cooler oven and heat them up with the oven, in my experience.
Also could be representative of consumers who know what WiFi is and are baited into "smart" stuff, while convection is some weird word that only professional cooks need.
This exists alongside WiFi connectivity (as you kind of need that for a camera to happen) in my hatred.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGAhWgkKlHI
Plus who needs rapid reheat when you can burn your (or someone elses!) house down via the #IOT to accommodate the unbridled wage slavery that impedes culinary aspirations?
It is also never going to be attached to the network.
So far I have only set it on fire once, I'm definitely winning.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/01/unauthorized-bread-a-near-future-tale-of-refugees-and-sinister-iot-appliances/
IOT is marketing bullish
But I agree, there's no reason I want my oven connected to the internet.
We've not used it but have been warned never to use the self clean feature.
Which my brain doesn't understand, because heat is heat, but there you go.
Both elements can absolutely be run at the same time. The only thing that would limit other ovens would be a circuit design which skimped on a wire.
Electric heaters are 100% efficient anyway, so the only loss is heat bleeding out into environment, and for a fixed target temperature, that loss is minimised by keeping the heating time as short as possible.
(Not really, it's been "patched" on all drops with alumicons, but still, it's a fear one has after already having a near fire start due to the aluminum wiring, learning it was aluminum post-sale.)
My oven does it by default and makes you press a button if you *don't* want rapid preheating.
I think.
My dishwasher tells me when i have to yell at the kids.
It’s quite hard to find a good quality sensible simple thing
Brands used for rental used to be reliable and solid back in the day
Ask CoPilot how long to bake my apple pie?
Send me an email to let me know the lasagna is burnt?
It's hard to remember to do, even in the oven of Phoenix!!
😎😎
On the bad side, it's a gas oven that goes through ignitors at least once a year.
I found out the hard way that the KitchenAid version of this range (which costs more because it's higher-end!) DOES NOT DO THIS.
I purchased the KA version when I went from gas to electric since it matches my other appliances and I immediately returned it.
So I just bought the Whirlpool one I had before.
Literally the worst feature ever. I never used to wait for preheat, just toss something in, wait an extra few minutes past the normal time, perfect. Now, you put something in early and it's scorched before the oven even reaches temperature. Hate it.
One victim in this "FBI: Most Wanted" episode had his "smart house" hacked, with terrifying results!
https://en.tvmao.com/tv-shows/fbi-most-wanted-season-5-episode-3.html
So I can load up the machine, then pick up my phone and open their app and press "Start" in it instead of pushing the dedicated button on the dishwasher, which is literally right there!
...but whoever makes these features clearly doesn't actually use them, since they make it difficult to sync with secure home-centered private servers.
Cycle tracking for maintenance is nice I guess, but again I would like to access that information through an API instead of some random mobile app that might stop working at any time
I have apps in my car, so I can be tracked everywhere I go & for how long.
I have every appliance in my house online, to give up my data.
I have so many apps on my phone to collect & send data on everything I do.
FREEDOM!
(seriously, though … that preheat feature is awesome)
1) a touch screen that rarely works correctly and can be mis-triggered by the heat from opening the oven.
2) a clock that drifts wildly (4 minutes per month) when not connected to the internet.
Who designs these things???
8 mars 17:00-18:00 2.461 kW
14 mars 13:00-14:00 2.632 kW
23 mars 17:00-18:00 3.273 kW
Average 2.79 kW
Why does no one make this anymore???
Already diy-ing stuff on it because the plastics are going and replacements nonexistent.
It’s frustrating since it’s wired to a 40A circuit but can only draw a fraction of that.
Shame on you.
it has more modes but I never use em
It's the most used mode on our oven: partially because we bake alot of bread, especially flat breads;
...but also because it's perfect for grilling fish and steaks with that aggressive temperature management.
BUT I would very much like to be able to see on my phone whether a burner or the oven is on and be able to turn it off remotely for safety. (Or preheat when I'm almost home!)
You can also build auto-off safety mechanisms (that DON'T rely on you happening to check your phone) without the internet.
I don't love the idea that a burner or the oven is turned off on an arbitrary timer for safety either. I just made stock the other day and needed the burner on for around 3 hours.
Set the clock to turn the oven on at a certain time.
If I'm at the grocery store and I find something I want to cook, I want to preheat the oven so it's ready when I get home.
If your life is significantly more chaotic than that, a timer may not work.
And I take your point about it being nice to know that you've left a burner on or whatever but I would rather (as I've done because I am an old) develop habits of my own.
But nope, we gotta normalize the lack of privacy.
They will always finish at the same time.
#lowkeyboastroast
I want to have an oven that can go from fridge to oven, have food ready about 15 min after I get home. THAT could use Wi-Fi connection - fail safe to fridge mode, but use an app to set dinner time or whatever.
I would love the rapid preheat!
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/01/unauthorized-bread-a-near-future-tale-of-refugees-and-sinister-iot-appliances/
don't lock the convection setting to only 200 C unless I specifically use "pizza mode" or "broil with fan", just let me select the elements to use, fan on/off and a temperature, including "just keep it on"