I'm convinced Lesbian TERFs are exclusively online phenomenon. Every IRL cis lesbian I said I was Trans to has been like "hell yeah. Welcome aboard, sister. Leafs fuckin suck this year."
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Obviously they exist, but their numbers in real life are nothing compared to their online presence. Also if you do meet one IRL, you inevitably find out they are posting three sentence paragraphs with 65 spelling errors on a Facebook group with an inscrutable title
around 60% of all web traffic is bots. i feel like a conspiracy theorist saying it, but there are some things that just don't exist at all offline and i question how much we're all just being manipulated by a dead internet
ya so many of the worst voices on the internet are nowhere to be found in the real world…they’re either bots or never leave their basements. Touching grass is a sound political strategy fr, renews your faith in the non-awfulness of people.
In Oct 2022, I was explaining to my psychologist why I couldn’t transition because of the verbal abuse I would endure daily, and her response was “Get off Twitter. The real world isn’t like that.”
the only one ik personally is my dad’s cousin unfortunately, who other than myself and my brother is the only other queer person my parents actually know
though from what i know about her, she is in fact that facebook poster
the reason terfs talk about the transgenders tricking them into sex is because they don't give or receive enough love or respect in their lives to begin to conceptualize that it's 100% voluntary
one time I was getting scolded but a lesbian terf in the comments and her two very obvious sock puppet accounts jumped in to agree with her… I think they’re just sad, weird, lonely people
oh yeah, for sure. extra anti-social and weird people pulling that shit. I take some solace in the fact that these freaks simply don’t have friends or a life and try to just move on without interacting much.
Also a lot of them are bots. I remember when they had a sort of counter demo to pride or something and there was thousands of these assholes online but just a hand full showed up in person to the demo looking like a bunch of losers
honestly think this goes for terfs more generally tbh. like they talk all this shit about how big their movements and groups are, then you look up any photo of their events and it's just two dozen retirees and the most divorced people to ever walk the earth
I know a couple; they're relatively affluent, and well-established in their locale, and being anti-trans gives secures their position within their Republican neighbors. Also, New Atheists (former Church of Christ).
But one's a former English professor, so great spelling and grammar.
I feel like the internet has completely addled everyone’s brain. There was a recent thread going around about people (this was for Americans) overestimate the size of minority groups by orders of magnitude. In one hand, we have increased representation, and on the other we have LOUD trolls.
So on one hand, people think trans folks comprise 20% of the population, whereas the true number is ~1%. On the other, we’re so used to people like TERFs getting platformed by insane algorithms that we lose track of the fact that they are VERY few in number.
When I told my mom she thought I was gonna have trouble in the dating sphere and now I don't have the heart to tell her how popular I have become with lesbians.
Unfortunately, the older lesbians in my mom's city are way terfy. A whole bunch of them kicked my mom out of her long-term writing group when she came out as non-binary. They were such assholes to her.
There's so much more, but it's exhausting to think about.
we have one particularly loud one in madison wi, but she has been widely ostracized for her views (which is, of course, CENSORSHIP and MISOGYNY!!!11) and apart from her sticker campaigns once a year she's mostly a non-issue
I guarantee that this is how transphobic lesbians actually think. If you are ever unlucky enough to encounter one, they will constantly insist that trans women are men and therefore dangerous.
Transphobia isn't common for lesbians in general, just an annoying minority of them
I'm talking about the "hating men" part. Avoiding a group of people for precaution isn't hating. And like i said before, "Lesbians hate men" or "Those women are lesbians because they hate men", those are typical misogynistic and homophobic talking points.
Those are indeed unrepresentative stereotypes.... for your average lesbian. But transphobic women DO hate men and insist that trans women are the same as men.
If you think I'm wrong, find one transphobic lesbian saying something positive about a man that doesn't include shared hatred of trans folk
3. "Find one Transphobic lesbian saying something positive about a man"
How do you know the said person is a lesbian? They could be lying.
What is the "Positive" thing you want lesbians to share about men?
You do realise that the majority of them were either hurt or traumatized by men right?
1. "Transphobic women hate men" No TERFS were ever ally of women. Look at Rowling and her evil friend circle for an example.
2. And what's this about the "hating men" part?
Avoiding men to protect yourself isn't hating.
Are you a MRA or something?
There was an US study where lesbians were found to be the most trans-accepting. The idea that most TERFS are lesbians or the other way around is just not based in reality. The vast majority of terfs i see are cishet women and men.
Curious what percentage of these lesbian TERFS are really just cis women in hetero relationships living "bi"-curiously online, using their platform to spread their ignorance of a world they've only grazed through TV & social media?
The only lesbian opposition to trans people I've personally seen has been toward trans *men*, and then it's usually fear of losing friends they've known as queer women. Sometimes it causes problems. But they're completely cool with trans women and new trans men.
Jaguars eat faces irl, they don’t online, so they feel safer being bigoted when they don’t have to potentially suffer the consequences of their actions.
They occupy the same space as the hardcore misandrist lesbians(and are there’s a lot of overlap between the groups) in that you’ll almost never interact with them in-person because they’re unpleasant weirdos without friends or hobbies
I’m not talking about women who criticize misogyny or who aren’t attracted to men I’m talking about the weird freaks that think anyone with a penis is ontologically evil.
No they exist, they tend to be in the same circles that push shit like “gold star” lesbians and shame bisexuals, but like I mentioned earlier you don’t really interact with them IRL because they’re antisocial(and there aren’t many of them)
Shhhh! Don't tell so much truth. If the internet doesn't have the subtle lesbophobia, how can we spend our days?
On a serious note, I have seen quite a lot of videos about TERF lesbians on YouTube without any proper data or survey. And the comments section will be filled with subtle lesbophobia.
Could just be the limits of the environment depending on how and wide you went. Could be some keeping beliefs to themselves. Pedestrian vs close friend, sometimes i can encounter situations where i feel like i'm surrounded by yes men.
my experience with a lesbian terf irl was that she was weirdly vitriolic toward trans men Exclusively, because this individual was a sex pest and couldn't conceive a reason why someone, in her literal words, "would want to ruin a great pair of tits."
Very online take to have. Cis lesbian feminists tore apart real life feminism to fuck over trans women. Anecdotal evidence doesnt really override that.
one of the most memorable irl interactions I've had with cis lesbians is when I and my now-girlfriend were on a night out and a couple cheered us on when they saw us kissing, invited us to come drinking with them the rest of the night and threatened to beat up any transphobes that harassed us lmao
they were real as hell and I'm kinda sad we didn't share any contact details at the time, because it was in a different city from where I live and I'm not sure I'd just randomly run into them again.
but I hope wherever they are, they're doing great!!
Almost the same thing happened to my wife and I on our honeymoon, these older lesbians practically wanted to adopt us because ig we were just a very endearing lesbian couple. Sadly did not get contact information either, need to start doing that as a matter of course :(
Pleased if this is true, because a prominent lesbo in my life is a frothing transphobe. Convinced she's just hanging with the wrong crowd, and needs to find some nicer friends.
This is true for a lot of online groups that revolve around harassing random strangers. It's not well seen among normal people the level of rabid these chronically online people are, and IRL you don't have a computer screen to protect you from the consequences of saying bullshit to someone
TERF is Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist, it's what people who transgender people so much their brains start to melt call themselves. IRL stands for In Real Life, meeting someone in person as opposed to on the web.
I've met these women offline. They are ALL white middle class and also racist 🙃 the young one sI've met are also all white women. The BW lesbian terfs I knew back in the day are all over 50. Sadly, these ppl are really offline and really working normal ass jobs like teacher and nurse
It's SO wild too cause they'll run down the list of their bigotry in one sitting😂 while you sit there stunned waiting to clock out already (i worked with most of the folks I'm referring too. Made work SO tedious!!!!!)
i remember when a load of those "LGBAllianceUSA" or Australia, or whatever twitter pages cropped up like they were suddenly everywhere... then pretty much every one got traced back to a single IP in england
"Leafs fuckin suck this year" is one of those statements that if heard by a time traveller that was covertly trying to figure out what year they are in, they would be no closer to figuring it out.
That's what polling has generally shows too. Women in general have been found to be way more likely to view trans people positively and support them than men, even among LGB people.
A lot of those who fall under "Terf" are like super religious tradwife types who hate homosexual people just as much as transgender people and who would've protested against women being allowed to vote back then.
They’re a vocal minority, sitting at home screaming at trans women through their computer screens all day, while all us well-adjusted members of society are out and about having actual lives.
There is a reason the L comes first in LGBT and just like when gays were vilified during the AIDS epidemic, our Trans brothers and sisters will have our support.
I have a transfem friend in [redacted town] that works retail and has encountered several terf lesbians. They definitely exist and were really shitty to her. :c
That said, statistically speaking, lesbians are the most supportive group among all cis people.
I generally avoid saying stuff like this because it sounds like a conspiracy, but I do genuinely wonder if their high visibility online is an attempt to drive a wedge into the LGBT community
Because yeah, every lesbian I’ve ever met IRL has been fiercely supportive of trans folk
have you been to the united kingdom? the handful of loud rich asshole bigots who cant stop tweeting are not representative of the incredible queer community here
Hell yeah the lesbians in my city literally voted to support trans folks and the most badass old-guard butch dykes are the strongest support for trans folks I've ever seen.
Every IRL cis lesbian I know would be like "Awesome, welcome to the club, here is your complimentary carabiner and beanie, tall boys are in the fridge."
My first irl encounter with one was bizarrely a hs teacher who was a butch lesbian and unfortunately our gsa advisor. I don’t want to generalize but I do think it’s more common amongst the boomer crowd
Well yeah, I would never talk like I do on social media, outside of bluesky. Social media is where everyone can let their… Id, I think it’s called? run wild. People take it too seriously, though.
Leafs sucking has been the great unifier in Canada for decades now (as a DC fan, our various team usually being reliably suck is the same for US Mid-Atlantic region)
This is backed up by polling, which routinely shows cis lesbians as far-and-away the most trans-supporting demographic among non-trans people. By like, Democrats in DC margins.
My theory is that most hide out in the wild and dont get confrontational because they are too chicken shit to say anything in fear of reactions ranging from social suicide and a broken jaw
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There's a generation of lost, terminally online lesbian potter heads who were exiled from Tumblr and now just wander around twitter like stray cats picking fights with any trans women they see
Reminding me of that chloe.longname video where she says "everyone looks like a Lesbian now and they don't even have Lesbianism in their hearts. Some of them are homophobic!"
I mean, the specific demographic of TERF lesbians basically BEGS to tag them as just femcels who dont even like women, just hate penises. They're just THAT touch-starved like an incel going femboy.
They do technically exist offline (there is one that lives in my town that puts stickers up and I know this because I removed the stickers every week until she stopped)
BUT, CRUCIALLY,
notice how I used the word "one" in that aside.
I'm pretty sure it's literally just one.
While I have found them to be a distinct minority & definitely more of an online phenomenon...
I was attending an event as Glad Day when two lesbian Nazis showed up & started harassing Trans women. When we ejected them from the shop they started harassing random pedestrians.
You ever see those "LGB Alliance" photos from when teens released thousands of crickets in their meeting? Most of them are old and -shocker- few of them are gay.
Sadly I’ve encountered TERFs in the flesh and they come from a diverse group of age, race, and rural/urban. I think people just aren’t as comfortable being rude to our faces. It’s easy to be mean behind a keyboard.
I’ve found that this is true of a lot of bigots. Half of it I’m sure is some are too afraid to be bigoted irl, but most of it is the fact that they’re a tiny, extremely loud, minority.
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though from what i know about her, she is in fact that facebook poster
Like cis men & women definitely just hop online & pretend to be lesbian for rhetorical brownie points.
not that many of them but they really try and seem bigger than they are
But one's a former English professor, so great spelling and grammar.
It's the butt and thigh
There's so much more, but it's exhausting to think about.
You gotta be the same flavor of enby tho and the diversity is off the chain we're not all even trans
Transphobia isn't common for lesbians in general, just an annoying minority of them
If you think I'm wrong, find one transphobic lesbian saying something positive about a man that doesn't include shared hatred of trans folk
How do you know the said person is a lesbian? They could be lying.
What is the "Positive" thing you want lesbians to share about men?
You do realise that the majority of them were either hurt or traumatized by men right?
2. And what's this about the "hating men" part?
Avoiding men to protect yourself isn't hating.
Are you a MRA or something?
Incel girls
Jaguars eat faces irl, they don’t online, so they feel safer being bigoted when they don’t have to potentially suffer the consequences of their actions.
2. Women who are not attracted to men aren't hating men. Grow up, little entitled twat.
And don't you dare put that absurd and riduculous term with real life issues like Bi-phobia and "gold star" purity culture misogyny and homophobia.
Forcefully trying to be victim by creating an absurd term. Grow up!
On a serious note, I have seen quite a lot of videos about TERF lesbians on YouTube without any proper data or survey. And the comments section will be filled with subtle lesbophobia.
great talk!
Also, I’m sure they’re internet-amplified beyond their size there, too.
anyhow yeah i completely agree im a masculine nb and all the cis lesbians ive met have been nothing but welcoming
but I hope wherever they are, they're doing great!!
Delusional, obsessive, and weird.
That said, statistically speaking, lesbians are the most supportive group among all cis people.
Because yeah, every lesbian I’ve ever met IRL has been fiercely supportive of trans folk
but they are honestly hella antisocial, so it is easier for them to find "kindred spirits" online rather than in the flesh
hate sucks
The TERFs live on social media and (sadly) in government.
I'm in UK and have come across a fair few, though there do still seem to be many nice cis lesbains too. Just none of them want to date me :(
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so idk if she was a *terf* but she definitely said some shitty things about trans women
and i cant even be sure because im just basing that on how she scowled at me when i complimented her black triangle earrings
BUT, CRUCIALLY,
notice how I used the word "one" in that aside.
I'm pretty sure it's literally just one.
I was attending an event as Glad Day when two lesbian Nazis showed up & started harassing Trans women. When we ejected them from the shop they started harassing random pedestrians.