/r/smallbusiness is full of stories like these right now, including from owners who have tried to domestically source products but there are no manufacturers in the U.S. that are set up to make their products
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Except that said "stuff" will cost a lot more, which means a lot fewer people can buy it, which means that many fewer people will be employed to make it.
Sure, we could manufacture OLED TVs here. But they'd probably cost $5,000.
You should have better wages, free healthcare and dismantle the credit system which is a completely corrupt mess nobody else uses. There are reasons why manufacturing is cheaper abroad. Mainly human rights violating ones. But you are right, it should not cost so much in the US. Why does it?
Everything costs more in the US because the oligarchs. This shitstorm is not heading in the direction of living wages or free healthcare for anyone else.
I obviously don't mean in current framework. It would likely happen that way, yes. I hope these horrible times get people to change the system, laws. Prison reform, no more private money machine prisons. That way they could not afford to throw away so many innocent people.
Cheap abusive labor standards will be set up in the US. They're dismantling all the protective agencies and red states are pushing for child labor and more prison labor (prisons we expect will be filled with political opposition, homeless, etc.). It'll be *great*.
I feel for these people, I really do, but EVERYONE should have seen this coming. Putin has ALWAYS wanted to destroy the US and Trump works for Putin. He genuinely could not have made it more obvious these past 10 years that he is Putin's little bitch boy and most Republicans are fully committed.
Even if we ignore Putin, just knowing anything about Trump himself should have been enough. He's always been a lousy businessman, and his first term as a president was an absolute mess in every way. And yet, somehow, people decided that *this time* he would be different!
How you build a plant which requires components from offshore in an environment where there’s no presumption of regularity in permitting (due to agency staffing) is going to be a hard nut to crack.
I’d like to know exactly who will be working in the New Big Beautiful Factories because I don’t think plant labor is going be like what they’re envisioning
I think you could get folks to work in high-tech factories without a ton of effort provided they were safe and paid fair wages. You’d have to pick your market, though, to make sure you had a labor pool. Best case - a new factory takes 2-3 years to build and we’re pretty darned far from that.
That’s the thing - he’s cutting protections all over the place and plant floors are more automated requiring less labor than what was required 40 years ago. Less jobs, low pay, less union influence for pay and worker protection. It’s all fantasy
Feel for SMB owners who are about to be f***ed over by Trump’s trade war. But after a “period of adjustment” (e.g. Finding Out) perhaps they’ll stop voting for the gang that put them in this position in the first place.
I'm not surprised, given that Trump tariffed the very electricity he has to buy because America does not produce enough.
Did he think someone could build an entire power plant in a handful of weeks? Maybe they could just make more electricity if they TRIED HARDER, or laid some people off?
buncha people here assuming the redditor is a Trump-supporter, but they are not, based on their comment history. Don't stereotype :) They do invest in crypto though, so you're free to laugh at that.
My nephew, in the athletic equipment business, has paid over $100,000 in tariffs on products from Taiwan because of the steel & aluminum tariffs. He's a small business, hanging by a thread, and had to pull from his retirement account.
In some of these cases we may, ironically, see *more* Shein type direct sales, because nobody in China will want to deal with the hassle of an American distributor but some # of Americans will want whatever it is badly enough to pay the extra $25 or $50 fee
I'm a communist, so the way I see it, if you want more manufacturing in the US, you should build factories, not do some tariff bullshit and hope someone builds factories, especially since they won't.
Moog shutting down in the US was a real warning last time.
One of the most storied instrument producers; able to charge large price tags; competing against foreign companies; gets destroyed largely because can’t really buy US made basics like resistors, etc Tariffs only hurt them
I think they wouldn't have shut down US manufacturing if they hadn't had to sell the company. The whole value proposition for the acquisition was raising profit margin by sending production overseas. Yes, components were expensive but I think COVID also hit them hard.
My ongoing speculation is that this whole tariff thing is a bullying tactic to push every country into a re-negotiation for increasingly favourable terms.
The assumption is that most countries would want to limit the immediate damage tariffs would do to their economies so it’ll force their hand.
In many cases, there is nothing to negotiate. Our tariffs aren’t based on tariffs placed on US goods. They are based on the fact that Vietnam (pop. 100 million) imports a much fewer US (pop 343 million) goods than we import from them. Average Vietnamese salary is $300/month. /1
So the trade imbalance is not due to protectionist policies. It’s due to Vietnam having fewer people who have a lot less money than the average American. And the low Vietnamese salaries allow US companies to keep prices lower on products made in Vietnam.
I'm a watch nerd. American watch industry will really suffer. Consumers, dealers, micro-brand owners. Swiss, German, Japanese timepieces are the cornerstone of the watch world. Plus everyone else uses Swiss, Japanese or Chinese quartz & mechanical movements. There is no other choice.
Mark at 'Long Island Watch' is a very likeable, smart & honest American Youtuber. His business is selling watches online. In the last few years he has also created his own 'Islander' micro-brand. It is quite a successful small business. Here is his take on the tariffs:
Yup. Watch industry in the US is going to on life support. Some companies like Heron from Canada moved some stuff to the US. But most didn’t. Glad I bought a few recently. Going to be a tough time to sell watches.
This is my tariffs are to be targeted to the specific Industries you want to apply it to. You don't just put a blanket tariff on a country when you don't produce the product that that country does. Just wait until we have a computer chip shortage soon and the price of cars goes through the roof.
You know protecting the auto industry by putting a 10% tariff on foreign vehicles is one thing but he's also throwing tariffs on the parts that we use in this country to build cars and the steel and the computer chips. Once these tariffs all build up into one thing you're not going to afford a car.
They don't care about the size of the economy, so not concerned about small businesses closing. They care about the concentration of wealth, which small businesses threaten.
Seriously. This is a recipe for massive growth and increased sophistication for Canadian smuggling operations, which will surely lead to the growth of drug smuggling via Canada. Ironic given Trump’s initial bullshit national security excuse of “stopping fentanyl” for the Canada tariffs.
Finally the Republican voters figure out that globalism is terrible for everyone except the Billionaires, so they send in Captain Moron to blow up the entire economy.
Uh, okay. Just don't delude yourself into thinking that the implosion of the world's largest economy and third-largest country by population won't allow affect you.
Schadenfreude can do a lot of things. Paying the bills isn't among them lol
And if you don't live under a corrupt two party oligarchy, you are likely to overestimate the ability that ordinary people have to change the system.
Especially in the third largest country on Earth.
Celebrating mass death of a subjugated population because you don't like their head of state is the same kind of genocidal ideology that led to Trump.
If you want to go there, that's on you.
Call me when you have to get past the wealthiest people on Earth to get through to your elected officials, or when those same wealthiest people are protected from the populace by the most powerful military ever to exist.
Not so easy to deal with, is it?
Nope, you all have a semi functional Democracy it’s just about 60% of you don’t care at all
This is your chance to learn a hard lesson, and it’s going be mainly you all learning it actually, everyone else has been fucked around by the USA before this at least a few times!
One thing I have noticed about elections in the US is that the inhabitants of every state assume that every other state operates under similar election laws.
I actually think the failure to understand the diversity of election laws was a factor in the January 6 attack.
Ugh, the hubris. Yes, the third largest economy *for now.* you guys tanking yourselves so bad that you'll be 50th by the end of the year. The big dif between now & 1929 is that the rest of the world has made trade deals around you, so the rest of us will come out of this fine.
God no. Wtf? We, the rest of the world, are appalled by your new(ish) government, and frightened for most of your population. But you guys need to figure this shit out yourselves. In the meantime, we will seek other, more consistent partners. Very few of us will trade with fascism.
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If your opinion is something other than that every single inhabitant of the USA should not be alive, it's not trivial.
It's probably a good idea to state openly and clearly that you don't want us all dead.
Why do you think becoming an isolated, poorer country = mass deaths?
The biggest likely causes of mass deaths in the US are your whacko health secretary and Musk cutting vital programmes. Neither has anything to do with tariffs.
Because Trumpism has already caused mass deaths.
Remember COVID? Fatalities in the US were dramatically out of proportion to the US percentage of world population
Some of that may have deeper causes such as a lack of universal health care, but Trump's response in 2020 definitely played a role.
From the pocketknife world I can tell you that when comparing like with like as closely as possible, American made generally means 'amateurish and unrefined by comparison'. That's whether comparing the same price bracket or similar level of material/intended market. To match quality is obscene $$$
This is pretty much the case across every industry - see Victorinox vs Leatherman, VW vs Chevrolet, Volvo Trucks vs Freightliner, Knipex vs Snapon, Miele vs Electrolux, L’Acoustics vs JBL, Glock vs Smith and Wesson etc etc
There are def still some outliers like Fluke, HP/Agilent and a lot of the defense adjacent companies like Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Teledyne and plenty of others. The latter are heavily subsidized by the US taxpayer and the former have serious import competition now with close quality, lower price
They make great high end guitars and amplifiers in the USA, although they have a huge amount of excellent competition, and in the low/mid price bracket most of their big brands like Fender manufacture in Korea/Japan/China/Mexico etc.
Just thinking back to the supply disruptions of 2020 that continue somewhat to this day, coupled with possibly losing state funding for senior and low-income services, I fear my MAGA boss is in for a shock with these tariffs. And I'll be out of a job.
First it was worry over potential loss of sales due to economic conditions, now it’s worry over the suppliers. As a small business we are scrambling to get our orders in 🫣
lmao wasn't this an obvious result? mass tariffs ensures one thing, the country in question will quickly become more and more isolated. They will become soley responsible for everything they produce and consume.
also if you're thinking "How is he this stupid", 1 he probably is, 2 it doesn't matter, Putin would want this. Thus its happening, because Republicans are nothing more than Russia's puppets.
You don't wake up and realize your business partner is in China.
You did see it coming. Everyone told you. You just thought you were magically protected from change cause you're MERICANS
No, the “sane” Trump supporters told people they weren’t going to put tariffs on everybody, across the board. It was going to be surgical, to promote specific industry. Not tariffing penguins in the Antarctic.
Yeah, they may have had that illusion of a Trump that works in a sophisticated and surgical way.
Where they got that delusion from is anyone’s guess. What thing he ever did (or rambled) suggested that he would show any restraint, let alone competence?
A lot of small business owners did, I know of one small business in my town that blatantly worships Trump. It's a thrift store so they're unlikely to be affected, but the locals that will be affected will hate them.
I started stocking up on the non perishable goods I use from overseas on Nov. 6th, 2024. My flowers, well, I’m going to have to increase the prices for anything not American grown.
Since US imports are only 13% of world imports, it is understandable that exporters are not going to jump through hoops to sell to the USA. https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/share_world_imports/
The USA is a long way away from many producers, which adds additional costs.
They follow the path of least resistance!
Chinese companies typically offered American businesses some of the best deals with lowest margins. Why continue? Maybe Chinese citizens would like to enjoy more of what they make? A nation that hates their suppliers and threatens them is not as Lutnick says, their best customer.
Yep, and manufacturing will not come here overnight. Businesses will wait to see if the tariffs change- maybe even wait until the midterms? Factories cost a fortune, US labor is expensive and requires very expensive machinery to make prices semi-competitive (with tariffs) for many items.
When one of my students asked about this, I asked “Which do you think is more likely, billion dollar corporations voluntarily cutting hundreds of millions into their bottom line, all so that they can pay multiples in labour… them passing the import cost onto their select captive markets?”
People tend to look at possible cost scenarios to determine competitive production costs. We can kick and scream at investors for choosing not to invest in certain factories in the states but they won’t until they are happy with profit/risk rewards. What can be and what will be are different.
Most factories wouldn't cost that much. The problem is those who control the capital have absolutely no interest open said factories. Especially without cheap foreign labor (legal or otherwise) to man it with.
We can really thank 80s corporate raiding for destroying the manufacturing base.
There's a possibility that some already-existing companies with large manufacturing plants could expland to produce other items but I can't imagine they could cover even a fraction of what would be needed.
Why would you sink millions of dollars into building factories when the tariffs that make them financially feasible could easily be gone on a whim any day of the week?
That's the false assumption that those factories wouldn't be competitive without tariffs.
Reality is different. Companies more often then not lose money on outsourcing. Why do they still do it? Because of pressure from Wall Street. Because of ideology.
Still not bad for many of us. But there will need to be a significant long-term change in national policy to make that investment a reality. Should we? Yes. Will we? I’m not so sure.
One example was jeans. Manufacturing cost in Southeast Asia: $3.25, Shipping and logistics: $4.40, total cost: $7.65. Assembly in the USA was roughly $9.75 so a little over $2.00 more per pair. But with the cost of building a factory, each pair of jeans would cost nearly $24 more per pair.
Interesting. I only have data on textiles and while clothing can be assembled in the USA in a relatively cost competitive way, the cost was still higher. Not much higher but higher. The concern wasn’t Wall Street, the concern was the massive investment and concern about labor cost stability.
That isn't the "concern" at all. First, it's generally a rejection of the idea what you have to "spend money to make money". They only want to make money.
Second, it's a fundamental idea that investing in the US is a bad investment. They don't want to deal with the rules, just about any rules.
No, factories really do cost that much. They are actually significant investments that can ruin (ominous voice) "those who control the capital" if conditions or rules suddenly change. I get you're nostalgic for assembly lines for some reason but you have no idea what you're talking about.
as Ha-Joon Chang has noted in this video, the financial sector in the US has become so parasitic that they really wouldn't let industry develop again, because they'd want to keep the surplus for themselves instead of reinvesting for development https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shz3mSMqW04&pp=ygUPZ2FyeXMgZWNvbm9taWNz
Yeah. There are a lot of possibilities, but virtually none align with Trump’s stated goals. Some people thought migrants were the answer, some think machinery and technology are. Greed is a huge motivator to harm people. We could create any world we need but people rarely agree to do this.
That's nonsense. The financial sector does not decide whether industry develops or not. They do not give up interest payments to stop factories.
I don't know why people are turning to elite conspiracy theories to explain manufacturing decline when it's not at all secret and very well-researched.
I don't think it's a conspiracy theory to look at Boeing (1 example) and see its current situation as a product of thinking that pleasing shareholders is a priority over everything else, even long-term growth. every company does this now. industry needs long-term thinking, not next-quarter thinking
big companies need investors from the financial sector, these investors are on company boards, and they can make pressure to get what they want. this is not conspiracy theory in the least
Besides that, there’s economies of scale to look at. A Chinese company can make various product and sell across the world; more sales spreads out fixed costs and reduces per unit costs.
Also true. While I was living in China there was a push to improve air quality. The answer was many smaller factories closing because they couldn’t compete with lower cost Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. so even China’s vast supply chain networks and cheaper labor don’t always work out.
If mfrg in the us is for mostly internal use, total units will be much smaller, meaning unit costs are higher, even if all costs (resources, labor, equipment) was exactly the same.
Nobody is going to invest in bringing manufacturing to the US when these tariffs may be gone in a week, or a month, or whenever. It’s the uncertainty that drives them away.
As I see it, we have to be judicious sit which manufacturing to bring back as it will increase costs permanently. We can’t afford to instantly reshore everything, we can’t (too late) afford to upset our partners. And those partners will consider ending trade if they can find a better trade partner.
In my example of textiles, if we add tariffs to all textiles, Americans will have a significant increase in costs. If one part of textiles is reshored, overall inflation is limited. But those items will forever cost more to maintain US production. Until global costs align.
Correct. Some form of tariff may be needed to ensure a sector is competitive but the entire economy can’t be tariffed- it distorts (raises) costs too much. Essential manufacturing needs to exist here- and much of it does. We build airplanes, machines, armaments.
If they have shareholders, they have to charge what the market will bear. And since the top 10% of the US consumer market now represents 49.7% of the economy and those folks are much less price sensitive, it will hardly even affect sales volume and just boost profits. See: COVID price inflation.
Yes, quite likely for many items. I read an article today where Jaguar Land Rover wasn’t too worried about tariffs. But electronics, textiles, food, auto parts, and ??? will impact lower income households.
We will see how this plays out. But I think there were better solutions than this.
Tariffs are a regressive consumption tax. And the lower 80% of households spend most (or all) of their money on consuming goods and services, specifically necessities. It will squeeze out discretionary spending, which has always slowed the economy.
Not fully operational. And it cost $65 billion. This is massive investment. It took a century to build America up when it had 1/2 the population. The economic distortion will be severe unless trade agreements are restored and additional development here is planned properly.
We manufacture a lot right now. You are right, which was sort of my point. They aren’t going to build factories, buy machinery and train employees quickly. Some can be brought back with a focused, long-term approach. Those microchip plants Trump talked about 8 years ago are…
Fox is keeping the viewers focused on the immigrants killing all the white people. That's what they continually show, even during the stock market meltdown. (It's what I see when I visit our aunt. It's all she has on; even when she's sleeping! Seriously)
The whole point of globalisation was products were distributed by this who could provide them most efficiently. Everyone benefitted.
Trump tariffs smash that system - as far as US is concerned. Other countries will still get the products as they will still be competitive. US won’t & can’t compete.
Not finding a ton of surveys about small business owners that ask about political leanings but here’s one that shows almost even splits among R and D candidates heading into the 2020 primary.
The subcategory of owners who post on Reddit are probably more liberal.
The rest of the world will simply move on without us and be better off for it. The only way they will acknowledge the US is to try to contain the effects of our chaotic collapse from affecting them as much as possible.
One of my coworkers who I worry quite a bit about seems fixated on the idea humans could not have built the pyramids and I have been hung up on why... but knowing the podcasts he listens to its soft racism. 100%.
A lot of business owners in the UK would have warned you that stupidly imposing sanctions on yourselves for no reason was nothing but bad for business and society. Fantasies about self-sufficiency don't survive contact with reality.
That's the thing - these savvy US businessmen just assumed he was lying. Because no one - especially not a fellow businessman - could possibly be so stupid as to think putting tariffs on literally everything is *good*, right? He had to have just been pandering to the idiots who vote for him. Right?
Especially funny when you remember the headlines from four years ago with various farm owners expressing shock that Trump was actually deporting all of their seasonal farm hands and now their crops were rotting.
I’m UK based and we have had a consumer write in to say he is boycotting our US brands. Whilst that logic is flawed (it’s all made in China and there are plenty of reasons to boycott them) I fear there are many feeling the same.
This is v regrettable but was also obvious to anyone w 2 eyes and 2 ears. It's always hard to feel empathy for ppl who simply walked into a fire they were warned to avoid.
Exactly. If they voted for fuckface I hope they see everything they love destroyed. Conservatives will receive zero empathy from me. Everyone else, on the other hand… 💔
This is anecdotally what you her in big business too … many big companies are banking on this thing eventually going away but right now a lot of them are scrambling to divert their market flow outside of the US because the market has become too volatile.
I now have to worry about my job because I work at a grocery store. Canned goods are going to soon be scarce because the tin metal used to make the cans is imported, many products we sell come from other countries like Mexico and Canada. It's gonna be bad.
Can't disagree. Many countries are just gonna pretend like you're a big black hole, and stop sending anything your way, cuz other trade partners are more reliable. Sorry. Only you guys on the ground can change that.
I told anyone who would listen IN NOVEMBER to get out of US markets and currency, except maybe long term bonds. I was patted on the head and told that was a cute idea but I'm ridiculous.
WSJ's advice today for weathering the crisis? International funds and bonds.
And the great part for American companies is... THERE IS NO FIXING THIS! Waiting four years for a fucking fix doesn't make doing business easier. The fucking money party, the fucking republicans, really just stomped such a mud hole into the US with just this, that it should end them as a party.
So supporting genocide was the black woman candidate’s fatal error, but it somehow wasn’t a barrier for Trump, a white man. Huh…I wonder why that was? Oh well, good luck advocating for Gaza with your new president.
No. Voting for her doesn’t mean you support it. It was a 2 party race because that’s the way it’s set up. Not voting for her was a vote for Trump who was far more evil. It was about voting for the lesser evil. You want to waste your vote? That’s your choice to make but it means you supported Trump.
Allot of people which includes the current US government just don't understand that a whole allot of companies make very very specialized products you can't just replace domestically willy nilly and may never be able to. That product then is just gone.
You still have to find someone else that has institutional knowledge and wants to make the missing products. Allot of those specialized companies became the only ones making this product by simply beating out all the competition and often years if not decades ago.
They think America is infallible. We are so amazing we can do all the things super fast with only our good, strong workers. Our meats, fruits, dairy are all steps above the rest, why? Because it’s from America.
That’s it. They do not see any flaws. They can not see steps, only end results.
Brexit caused similar problems for UK small businesses. Could be even worse for the USA because Trump's alienated the rest of the world, even Antarctic penguins.
The US couldn’t manufacturer adequate amounts of PPE/masks for nurses during his first term. He knows manufacturing is a mess and dead here, through experience!
So what is the end game here with forcing the impossible instead phased gradual planning with gov incentives?
The point the podcast brings up of losing workers with specialized trade skills is very true. If a country doesn't incentivize the younger generation joining manufacturing and infrastructure projects, the skilled workers retire and those skill sets disappear.
As a small business owner I cannot for the life of me see how any of these small business owners did not see this coming. I just can't forgive the ignorance. We've been bracing for impact since before November, but we can't stop the ground from rushing up to meet us. These are not Great times.
And yet, how many of them wore red hats..... I have empathy for them, and some sympathy too, but really, anyone who voted for this lunatic, after he's spouted this nonsense for literal years, and folks have been repeating it over and over...
it's not easy to not have a less than charitable answer.
If you can go bankrupt playing casino, not everyone can make the “game of probability” such a failure 😅
I can't believe he's still so consistent after moving to the national level. ......
We also learned nothing from Covid. Remember when Proctor and Gamble ran out of toilet paper and said they had to get more from their manufacturing plant in Mexico. American-made is now past tense.
There are few people who would literally phrase it this way but the maga worldview only makes sense if their belief about economics is that *the USA produces literally the entire global GDP* and then *foolishly allows other countries to steal some of it.*
I feel like people are just reading "didn't see that coming" as if that means the person thought everything would be fine (and therefore must've voted that way) when the post is clear they did not think any such thing, and tried to plan accordingly.
i think you are right—for most of us it was shooting in the dark to plan for this fucktastrophe. Even those of us who hate Trump found it hard to know exactly how to plan ahead. Should i buy fabric for 3 months? 6 months? 2 years? i bought as much as i could afford.
he said he made plans to weather the storm but did not anticipate his supplier no longer being willing to sell to America.
I purchased hundreds of yards of fabric in January knowing that tariffs were coming. But if suppliers will no longer sell in America that will destroy many of us.
This is ironically going to be one of the biggest motivators to reverse this bullshit. They had the world at their fingertips, basically on demand. Now? Americans are going to get BORED.
You have to be a special kind of stupid with an F in fourth grade history to think the US was EVER powerful when it was “self sufficient” and only gained power THROUGH TRADE. The Industrial Revolution WAS BECAUSE OF TRADE. There is no “self sufficient” colonialized version of the US and never was!
A major reason that the US has been interfering with Central and South American governments over the past century or so is because they wanted to protect assets and the supply of resources from those countries. The Banana Wars for example.
The Gulf War for oil as well.
Manufacturers are better off finding new markets rather than investing billions to build manufacturing in the US since the US is an unpredictable and volatile market now.
The solution to our Neoliberalism woes have always been to subsidize high tech, high value exportable goods. You protect and subsidize what others can not build.
Chinese Manufacturers are moving thier factories to Vietnam and other Asian Countries outside of China. This really started when China seized Hong Kong early. China has a very good disinformation machine. China Billionaires and Multi Millionaires have already fled China. Those are the one doing it
In theory, it could happen, although at a much smaller rate than the fascists think.
In practice, the fact that the fascists are so unreliable means no one can invest in such a factory given the risk they just drop the tariffs in 6 months
The core industrial parts necessary to build manufacturing plants are pretty much all made abroad, too. Whatever domestic capacity to build such things exists, it's anemic at best and probably would take a decade or more to build out.
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Sure, we could manufacture OLED TVs here. But they'd probably cost $5,000.
If you can even get the parts I guess.
America had a hangnail, so the doctors cut off all four limbs and the head, and now they're at a loss for how to save it.
Did he think someone could build an entire power plant in a handful of weeks? Maybe they could just make more electricity if they TRIED HARDER, or laid some people off?
One of the most storied instrument producers; able to charge large price tags; competing against foreign companies; gets destroyed largely because can’t really buy US made basics like resistors, etc Tariffs only hurt them
The assumption is that most countries would want to limit the immediate damage tariffs would do to their economies so it’ll force their hand.
https://youtu.be/IVwIyciIIiI?feature=shared
"Ok! Now we make nothing but money & winning HAHA!"
"Now stop buying abroad!"
"But we don't make anything here now. There's nothing to buy."
"Shut up, terrorist! If you cry about it we'll send you to a labour camp."
A total idiot to control your entire government, not a single thing is safe from their stupidity
Schadenfreude can do a lot of things. Paying the bills isn't among them lol
Especially in the third largest country on Earth.
If you want to go there, that's on you.
Not so easy to deal with, is it?
This is your chance to learn a hard lesson, and it’s going be mainly you all learning it actually, everyone else has been fucked around by the USA before this at least a few times!
I actually think the failure to understand the diversity of election laws was a factor in the January 6 attack.
Enjoy that attitude tho, it will help you fix the mess
Blame the world all you fucking like, I could care less, it’s you all that are about to implode, everyone else is not tariffing each other, clownshoes
Third-largest POPULATION.
Or are you also cheering on our mass extermination?
If your opinion is something other than that every single inhabitant of the USA should not be alive, it's not trivial.
It's probably a good idea to state openly and clearly that you don't want us all dead.
Because the schadenfreude looks like a sadistic desire to see the population of the U.S. suffer and expire in large numbers.
The biggest likely causes of mass deaths in the US are your whacko health secretary and Musk cutting vital programmes. Neither has anything to do with tariffs.
Remember COVID? Fatalities in the US were dramatically out of proportion to the US percentage of world population
Some of that may have deeper causes such as a lack of universal health care, but Trump's response in 2020 definitely played a role.
What we don’t have are any of the industries making the things the majority of Americans use on the majority of their days
You did see it coming. Everyone told you. You just thought you were magically protected from change cause you're MERICANS
Where they got that delusion from is anyone’s guess. What thing he ever did (or rambled) suggested that he would show any restraint, let alone competence?
I wish them the best of luck seeking employment when their business fails.
Roses are about to get really expensive, folks.
Is that what’s happening here?
https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/share_world_imports/
The USA is a long way away from many producers, which adds additional costs.
They follow the path of least resistance!
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/jpmorgan-now-says-theres-a-60-chance-of-a-recession-after-tariff-hikes-a130b3e8
We can really thank 80s corporate raiding for destroying the manufacturing base.
Reality is different. Companies more often then not lose money on outsourcing. Why do they still do it? Because of pressure from Wall Street. Because of ideology.
Second, it's a fundamental idea that investing in the US is a bad investment. They don't want to deal with the rules, just about any rules.
I don't know why people are turning to elite conspiracy theories to explain manufacturing decline when it's not at all secret and very well-researched.
We will see how this plays out. But I think there were better solutions than this.
These tariffs are an attack on Americans.
The people that voted are still watching Fox, unaware of the trolley bearing down on them.
Trump tariffs smash that system - as far as US is concerned. Other countries will still get the products as they will still be competitive. US won’t & can’t compete.
The subcategory of owners who post on Reddit are probably more liberal.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/284396/small-business-owners-highly-engaged-2020-election.aspx
Aaany moment…
Surely they (white people) were too good and smart to do X (say, cook the planet, do the holocaust)
Sure they (Black and brown people) were too bad and dumb to do Y (say, build the pyramids, invent math)
Time is a circle.
mission accomplished
Dogshit collection bags with Trumps face on them would sell at almost any price point, for example.
WSJ's advice today for weathering the crisis? International funds and bonds.
Oh.
Are you looking forward to staying at the Trump Gaza hotel!?
The Tariff suite perhaps?
Genocide is such an enormous crime that it blots out everything else.
That’s it. They do not see any flaws. They can not see steps, only end results.
LETS GOOOOOO!!!!!!
So what is the end game here with forcing the impossible instead phased gradual planning with gov incentives?
https://bsky.app/profile/yourkingmob.bsky.social/post/3kki6qb2gfs25
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it's not easy to not have a less than charitable answer.
I can't believe he's still so consistent after moving to the national level. ......
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How did they not see this coming?
that's basically what these people believe.
"Global trade is valued in dollars, right? And who prints the dollars...?" 😏👍👍
https://financialpost.com/commodities/mining/canada-mexico-steelmakers-refuse-new-us-orders
I purchased hundreds of yards of fabric in January knowing that tariffs were coming. But if suppliers will no longer sell in America that will destroy many of us.
But 🤷🏽♀️
When that happens, this regime is DONE.
The Gulf War for oil as well.
*Thinks*
Or maybe that won't happen.
Oh fuck it probably won't, huh.
In practice, the fact that the fascists are so unreliable means no one can invest in such a factory given the risk they just drop the tariffs in 6 months