In Rainbows came out in 2007 and is one of the best pieces of Rock Music in history. Does it not count because Radiohead formed earlier? BC,NR is the most recent influential Rock band, The Strokes have been putting out Indie Rock for the past 25 years, Swans is a thing, Car Seat Headrest, Hello?????
In Rainbows is great. There have been great rock albums this century. That’s not the point. They are niche now, and most people aren’t exposed to new rock music. Nostalgia for old rock is bigger than rock as a youth thing. It’s a dying art.
We're comparing artists and music who has had time to push through the musical quality filter of time with recent artists who have not yet had that privilege. That's that "nostalgia" you're talking about.
Rock radio is all but dead. MTV is not a music outlet. It’s a victim of technology. I’m 50 years old, and I’m not really sure what you are arguing. I love Twin Fantasy, but I know that most people have never heard of Car Seat Headrest, which is unfortunate.
So it's not about quality, just popularity? Arctic Monkeys have 54M listeners on Spotify. Huge albums like HIT ME HARD AND SOFT have rock elements. Olivia Rodrigo blew up recently with 46M. Phoebe Bridgers is the indie rock girl. Big Thief exists and they're INCREDIBLE. Rock is just evolving
Agreed, but it was a cultural phenomenon from its inception in the 50s until the late 90s. It dominated our popular culture. It doesn’t anymore, and the most successful rock stars are all but unknown and unheard by most people. That wasn’t the case in the 20th Century.
I didn’t care for mime until I watched videos of Marcel Marceau and realized what the artistry was, the dipshit street mimes are posers who ruined the art form.
Not really mime has evolved, and rock the original creators dying or gone, but the music still there both as original or borrowed from, the same as big band jazz whether in harmonic structure and done a different way. BB King - ' it's their time ' wasn't a demeaning dig.
"No one really wants to interact with a German tourist. Parisians avoid them like the rest of the world avoids street mimes." (—Michael Fassbender as "The Killer," in David Fincher's film of the same name)
I took a class on mime at the Michigan thespian festival and it was so interesting. Mime isn’t what we all think of with the white face paint and the box routine, it’s moving with breath and without beat it was an amazing class and I’m so glad I took it
I don’t equate headbanging with rock and roll necessarily, but if you want an album that is DEFINITELY rock, check out Melee by Dogleg which was probably my favorite album of 2020. Running through walls to that.
there is lots of good weird/niche stuff but also some good recent "normal" rock: Parquet Courts, Japanese Breakfast, Paramour, Cigarettes After Sex (terrible name but great band)
award shows have near universally failed to understand rock for my entire life and then some so that’s not surprising. the industry as a whole breaking down in recent years has been particularly cruel to rock.
you pretty much have to find a music blog you trust these days in order to find new rock.
Geese "3D Country" (this is not a country album)
Jack White "No Name"
King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard "Flight b741"
Cindy Lee "Diamond Jubilee"
Bricknasty "XONGZ"
I came to make a joke about mime but I see that everyone’s kinda beaten that horse so instead I’ll say - hey yeah, rock music really did kinda fade away there. And, if a band says they make ‘real’ rock music today, they’re pretty much guaranteed to be absolutely woeful.
Opera once moved empires, radio dramas held nations captive, and mimes… well, they were there. Now rock joins the ranks of art forms that once defined generations but now mostly sell nostalgia and car insurance.
.. don’t quite agree, as with books (“every book has its reader”).. my pov is all subcultures have their own fans and followers even if they are not very popular which still make them relevant to those particular communities.
Much like living humans living cultures will always change. Nothing is permanent. Nothing is sacred, at least not forever. Frankly there's something comforting in being ephemeral.
I think rock is living through hip-hop right now. I love a lot of the heavy guitar riffs I've heard incorporated in recent albums. JPEGMAFIA's I LAY DOWN MY LIFE FOR YOU is front of mind, as is Tyler, The Creator's CHROMAKOPIA
I’ve heard conflicting numbers, but during their peak in the 1940s to 1950s Westerns made up between 25% to 40% of all movies produced. People complain about the saturation Superhero movies, but I don’t think they are anywhere close to those numbers.
Just saw a YouTube video this week about the top 10 TV show of 1958. Maverick, Gunsmoke, Wyatt Earp, Wagon Train, Tales of Wells Fargo, The Rifleman, and Have Gun Will Travel were on that list.
(Rounding out the list was I've Got a Secret, The Danny Thomas Show, and The Real McCoys)
Did anyone else read that and wonder what rock music was... Like you can't play music with rocks.
Or did they used to play music with rocks ages ago and it died out? 😂
Good music & impacting a culture are very different. But when one does both? Well, then you have The Beatles. Yes. I’m a Boomer and if you think this isn’t the case you should have been around in 1962. 3 years later the world had fucking changed.
But all music reaches someone on some level and that’s wonderful. Really good music goes deep to your soul, I don’t care what genre. But impacting a culture? For me it was The Beatles and Dylan. No one was doing it quite like they were. So younger gens…what impacted your culture? What changed you?
One final blathering comment. Shout out to the person who brought up indie & alternative music. I agree with that. Influential & sorta revolutionary to the business of the suits. And also, the first time I heard Pearl Jam I was thrilled. I hated 80’s music. Over produced and pompous. No depth. 🤷🏼♀️
I blame the recession. Once small venues cut back and paying only a rapper and maybe a DJ was cheaper than a whole band you didn't have the ability for starting bands to make enough to keep going.
Also, new mega stadiums killing mid size venues. A new band now has to sell 10x the tickets as well.
Unironic deep cut. The childhood best friend who introduced me to punk and metal over his ridiculously overdriven speakers is a fkn white supremacist pos now. Or maybe thats fkn relevant, I dunno.
You seem to be confusing recency with relevance. If millions of people want to hear it, and it is repeatedly used in everyday life (sports, commercials etc) then it is culturally relevant. Old does not equal bad.
Certainly. They're as relevant as Beethoven or Louis Armstrong, both geniuses in their art.
But rock is no longer a commentary or a compass, like it was in the '60s, '70s (punk) or '90s (grunge). Hip hop is, including its subgenres, and artists that are difficult to categorise, but not rock.
It’s not a strong argument if you consider that none of those bands have put out any relevant music in at least 20 years, and in many cases much longer. The last truly excellent Rolling Stones song was Start Me Up and it’s 44 years old
we’ve just expanded from rock to sub genres. More music comes out every day than those bands put out in all their decades. Metal is having its hayday again while “rock” tends to be indie rock - which is fine by me :)
"I don't know which will go first – rock 'n' roll or Christianity." I have some bad news, past John. Well some really bad news, then more just mildly interesting news.
Don't forget about Shell Suits. One day they owned everyone's bodies like some kind of mass parasite. The next day it was like they never existed at all. Picture "borrowed" from https://www.blue17.co.uk/vintage-blog/90s-shell-suit/
Hmm, I didn’t get the memo. Rock music is still alive and well in my world. Had a fun band practice today singing Beatles, Fleetwood Mac, Linda Ronstadt, The Raveonettes, etc.
But I loved Marcel Marceau. I never talked much in kindergarten and the teacher said to me one day, I think you'll like this film today. It was Marcel Marceau. He made mime relatable and not creepy.I don't think any other mimes have done what he did.
...and that's a beautiful story. I had my teacher moment, too, even if I was a bit of a handful for most of them. I'll never forget the ones that "got me" ❤️
I was introduced to Marcel Marceau when he made a guest appearance on Mister Rogers' Neighborhood. And Mister Rogers is still the only American I've heard pronounce Marcel Marceau's name correctly. (Because he spoke fluent French.)
Has that not been the argument forever, for every kind of music people don't like? I've played drums to covers for some 30 years, and Riff Raff was one of the hardest to nail...anyway, if they just have one song, it's a better song than most bands could dream of writing.
My kids now and appreciate all that stuff, too. But, they would not spend money to see one of those bands live. Rammstein ofcourse beeing the exception...and The Ramones, if they were still alive.
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I was Atari 2600, 800 with a 300b modem.
I get it.
It’s special to me.
https://youtu.be/NitnZzAOeVo?si=omeeVK6VR19KmEVD
where my bear ghost fans at
And even though most people replied, “Yeah, it’s a disc,” the genre of “discyeah” never took off
As soon as you are well, we are launching the mime company .
La Luz - News of the Universe
King Buffalo - Regenerator
Viagra Boys - Cave World
Mannequin Pussy - I Got Heaven
Emily Wolfe - The Blowback
That was when Fleetwood Mac was cheese.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtmW2ek7WkQ
you pretty much have to find a music blog you trust these days in order to find new rock.
Jack White "No Name"
King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard "Flight b741"
Cindy Lee "Diamond Jubilee"
Bricknasty "XONGZ"
Zeal And Ardor's entire discography
Destroy Boys-discography
Chat Pile-Cool World
Hum-Inlet
https://www.last.fm/user/Dddylxo/library/albums?from=2020-01-01&to=2025-01-25&page=1
Mime is in every animated show or movie you’ve ever seen.
I mean, fuuuuuuuck.
(Rounding out the list was I've Got a Secret, The Danny Thomas Show, and The Real McCoys)
Or did they used to play music with rocks ages ago and it died out? 😂
Also, new mega stadiums killing mid size venues. A new band now has to sell 10x the tickets as well.
Rock and Roll was a southern Black slang term for sex.
There is no both types, the music business makes genres, musicians make music. It’s either a good song or it’s not 🤷🏿♂️
Like I said, unironic and deep
Every single US sports game plays rock music between plays.
Just because the press continue to ignore it, does not mean it has no cultural relevance.
But rock is no longer a commentary or a compass, like it was in the '60s, '70s (punk) or '90s (grunge). Hip hop is, including its subgenres, and artists that are difficult to categorise, but not rock.
Just say something like this 😏
Last of the Teenage Idols.
Not dead, just smells funny - Frank Zappa
Green Day?
I think peoples' tastes are probably more varied now, there is so much choice and accessibility.
Still doing well with concerts etc, but there aren't really any breakout acts anymore.
What do people listen to now?
The opposition to the motion rests.