Somehow I’ve met way more of these guys. The first was in high school he wore a very old style Russian military greatcoat in the winter all four years.
I think I know which army surplus store he got it at because I bought clothes there to so I didn’t judge him too much.
It's an opinion you typically only see in the kind of weird trads who go Orthodox because they think trad Catholic isn't trad enough, or whose whole identity is monarchism
I was jus making a stupid joke about a lot of Miami cubans crying about their families being kicked out of Cuba then you find out they were slave owners.
anyway, a lot of this stems from the fact that 1st and 2nd gen immigrants from former Soviet states who now live in the US are comparing material conditions of the pre-collapse/collapse era USSR versus 1980s 1990s United States
gonna second this; my entire religious community is basically entirely this. trying to acknowledge any kind of nuance with the failures of communism in Russia is completely shut down before so much as a second consideration may be given.
it's so far removed and yet still so prevalent.
two things that make perfect sense about your online presence is using kirby as your avatar and that this particular kirby perpetually looks about to throw up
Given what the Bolsheviks did and their legacy thereafter, it’s understandable, but rooted in the ignorance of having no ancestral roots in the land. It’ll come America’s way eventually, if it isn’t here already.
In my little corner of twitter back in the day, full of Star Trek nerds (those were the days), there was one person who was OBSESSED with beatifying the Romanovs.
It mightn’t surprise you to know that we soon found out she was vehemently racist and queerphobic.
In the mid-00s, a few of the women I did study abroad with decided to defend the Romanovs o account of Nicholas II being a hot guy who lived in beautiful houses. At least one called him her new boyfriend.
I'm pretty sure that for some of them, it was a bit, but not a sure as I'd like.
You just unlocked a memory from elementary school- our librarian was real weird about the Romanovs, it was very "this poor family was shot in the night, they pulled the kids out of bed!" totally breeze over the whole starving peasants part.
In Brazil there is a political movement that thinks we should bring back our monarchy from the 19th century. You have not seen the worst of brain worms yet
Unrelated but in a local council meeting we had a guy go on a mouth-frothing rant accusing the council of being "like tsarist Russia before the fall" because they want to trial three blocks of bike lanes
The kinds of freaks who go “But Sergei, b-but Sergei Witte–“ learned history from watching HOI4 let’s players. everyone in power hated Sergei Witte and his policies weren’t even that effective when he had the space to do them
I don't know what this is about but royalists for disestablished monarchies are one of my favourite kinds of freak. There's a lot of pro-Romanovs in their ranks but the best ones are the ones who are like all-in for Simeon II of Bulgaria.
I've unfortunately ran into these people on reddit in the past.
People get so swept up in anti-communism that they un-ironically start going to bat for tsarist Russia, especially when it comes to the "tsar-n-family wacking" episode.
I think a lot of people who think this aren't articulating that they assume, like all the other monarchies, that the tsar would eventually be forced to agree to limitations, and ultimately, usurpation of his power by way of liberalization. Then the famines and inequality would all magically stop
Anyone that says anything good about the tsar, or even complaining about the Romanovs deaths, has 50% chance of being a total ignorant or a deranged antisemite.
So, I always say "Well, I see you hate jews" and wait to figure which one is.
Hey I’m asking because I think you’re a lot smarter than me, but is it worth it to engage with someone like that? They aren’t curious about learning anything, not really. They just have a fetishistic commitment to like Reagan era bullshit
Yeah, that does make sense. I guess I just don’t have the temperament but I’m glad you do. I would lose my mind every couple hours if I had your replies
it's never to try to make someone that lost see rationality, it's always to get people who are socialist-curious to see what the arguments against irrationality are
Oh, it's a Canadian convoy chud. Yeah, that tracks. We can't compete in raw numbers, so we grow them reeeeally dumb up here to compensate and send the worst and dumbest down to the US to become far-right media celebrities.
what happened to literacy rates, life expectancy and standard of living when the USSR took over? and what happened to those things when the USSR collapsed?
standard of living in Germany at this time actually dropped dramatically lol, wages fell, workplace accidents increased, worker's blacklisted, lost the right to strike or change jobs, working hours increased by 15%, hidden unemployment was significant, possibly the worst comparison you could make
I dont think you know much about what it was like for jewish people under the tsar or in feudal and monarchal and fascist Eastern Europe. also I was talking about physical quality of life. people died at 30 under the tsar. they didnt have plumbing. they couldn't read.
I know quite a bit. I’ve read about the pogroms. That’s why they largely got blamed for the communist revolution. Yeah it was still an agrarian society. Literacy isn’t common in agrarian societies. People died at 30 under the communists too.
if i told you how many people i know in the usa that didn’t make it to 30 you would say it’s different and has nothing to do with the country itself. your brain has been pickled in a lifetime of being insulated in the liberal imperial core koolaid.
The country was in complete ruin in the early 20s because of the civil war, no shit the life expectancy wasn't good. Same with the Second World War and the Nazi perpetrated slaughter. And yet in the decades following, Soviet citizens lived on average close to their western counterparts
Absolutely correct, the Soviet Union was such a drastic uplifting of material conditions that it's genuinely shocking how quickly it turned from a backwater feudal peasant state to an industrialized superpower - for example, my family's home city of Kharkiv
While people are paying attention to my post, I urge you all to read up on just how amazing this economic transformation was! Truly an incredible time to witness
Solzhenitsyn is widely regarded by most soviet historians as being an unreliable narrator and source - even Stephen Kotkin, who by no means is a leftist in any metric, says Solzhenitsyn is outright wrong
I am struggling to understand what this is supposed to mean, given what you’re replying to, specifically that the Russian empire was violently antisemitic, more so than the USSR ever was.
https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=czar
"The spelling tsar is preferred in most Slavic scholarship, as it follows the standard conventions of Russian transliteration. The spelling czar is the more common form in American English, and is the only one employed in the extended sense "someone in authority,""
>The spelling tsar is preferred in most Slavic scholarship, as it follows the standard conventions of Russian transliteration. The spelling czar is the more common form in American English.
They were both not good. That's also possible. The Soviets squandered much of their potential to shape a better nation, unfortunately. And Stalin, well... ugh.
Anytime someone mentioned the royal family my very scottish dad would say 'the russians had the right idea, drag them to the basement and shoot them'. Everytime. He was great
I don't think "capitalism is the best thing that has ever happened", I think it's a tool that works well in certain circumstances. I think the left demonizes capitalism universally in the same way you think the center left celebrates it universally.
You mean you wouldn’t rather live under the shadow rule of a sex wizard who was holding your government hostage by claiming to have magic that could stop your inbred children from bleeding to death from papercuts?
I've seen plenty of monarchists on Twitter (and occasionally Reddit) unironically simping for Nicholas II, but usually they're making vague gestures towards the entirety of Russian history from 1917 to the present.
One of them trying to get into specifics is new for me.
My dad is like this about Batista and the Romanovs. But like growing up in the south I hear these takes a lot. The underlying factor always seems to be religion. The people making this argument seem to thing communism is literally satanic and any amount of evil is far game to stop it.
Some people in this world think royalty is good, because they can't think about royalty w/o thinking they're going to be the king. Those people are very stupid.
that's always been the position of the west, they just don't usually admit to it today. that's why republicans supporting putin's neo-czarist far right nationalism makes perfect sense, for them.
Then there are those on the left that support Putin's neo-czarist regime because because of their shared opposition to US imperialism & "America Evil!" (Yes, the US is evil, but so is the Russian "Federation", esp. Putin's neo-czarist imperialism.)
that's what i chalk it up to whenever i see someone online supporting russia despite belonging to a group that has no reason to support them. like when their bio has "🏳️🌈 BLM Trans Rights are human rights" but they're sucking off putin
solzenizhyn was of this opinion, tsarism and divine rule, but curiously people prefer to focus on his 'the gulags were fucking awful' stuuf (they were)
The way I've always heard people talk about the Russian Revolution made it sound like it was the collapse of an egalitarian liberal democracy and tbh it took like 5 or 6 years of being a communist to even recognize that lol
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I think I know which army surplus store he got it at because I bought clothes there to so I didn’t judge him too much.
I was jus making a stupid joke about a lot of Miami cubans crying about their families being kicked out of Cuba then you find out they were slave owners.
it's so far removed and yet still so prevalent.
my partner came from ukraine in the late 80s bc being jewish in ukraine back then truly sucked
It mightn’t surprise you to know that we soon found out she was vehemently racist and queerphobic.
I'm pretty sure that for some of them, it was a bit, but not a sure as I'd like.
(And the current "heir" to the Mexican Empire lives in Australia and has no interest in visiting Mexico, much less joining a political movement.)
People get so swept up in anti-communism that they un-ironically start going to bat for tsarist Russia, especially when it comes to the "tsar-n-family wacking" episode.
So, I always say "Well, I see you hate jews" and wait to figure which one is.
Let us use this experience to fuel our revamping of education.
The only true church of Jesus I mean 👁 🧐
Sorry.
Cause historical data begs to differ with you.
Do you smell toast? is your carer around, can I talk to your nursing home director, Brody?
Absolutely correct, the Soviet Union was such a drastic uplifting of material conditions that it's genuinely shocking how quickly it turned from a backwater feudal peasant state to an industrialized superpower - for example, my family's home city of Kharkiv
And Ivan Ilyin is a fascist lmao
What are we gonna do with you my man 😅
The USSR wasn’t great to Jews (I’m very vocal about not going to bat for Stalin specifically because I’m Jewish)
But the Russian empire? Worse in every way
Lenin was pretty pro Jew no?
Unless this is you agreeing with me?
"The spelling tsar is preferred in most Slavic scholarship, as it follows the standard conventions of Russian transliteration. The spelling czar is the more common form in American English, and is the only one employed in the extended sense "someone in authority,""
Lick my scrote.
Do you like the temperature set point?
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One of them trying to get into specifics is new for me.
The Russian revolution kicked off because of Rasputin’s sorcery.
i don’t like it.