I sincerely apologize for my overreacting to your post. I hope you can forgive a dumbass stranger for being a total goof. People taking OxyContin shouldn’t be allowed access to a keyboard. 🙂
That is a transphobic sentiment, joke or not, acting like deadnaming is ok is gross. The rest of us see this and see your transphobia and wonder how soon before you don’t like us and respect goes out the window.
I did just that, scrolling through prior posts. Not to offer an excuse but it is late, I’m at home recovering from two surgeries on my left foot, and these doctor drugs are the shit. Thank you for being kind when pointing out my overreaction.
The rich will still get away with whatever they want. Just like he/ she Jenner
It's the vulnerable trying to figure life out without the resources they need that will suffer most
*SHE*, whatever her politics, you can still respect her identity, otherwise you are saying your respect is conditional on a person sharing your politics. 🤷
See trumps remarks years ago, about celebrities being able to walk into women’s dressing rooms, grabbing them by private parts. The “exception” is privilege.
Agree. I think that comes with a hierarchy and inequality mindset. “I’ve been a success purely down to my own hard work and ability. Those who are poor haven’t worked hard enough”.
Suppose millionaires are insulated a little though. Ultimately she can move country, if and when she wishes
Women in this last election. I still don’t understand how any woman voted to give up bodily autonomy. Women forcing children into childbirth seems like an extraordinarily cruel thing to do. I get it from the men, they’re the rapists who did it, but women?
I guess I’ll never understand why a person would cheer on MAGA when they’ve made it absolutely crystal clear that they believe they shouldn’t exist (and their leader is passing a presidential order to explicitly state that you don’t).
As a country club/resort wouldn't they have both men and women bathrooms? Caitlyn had made the comment that trump granted trans women to use the women's bathroom.
Interesting to hear, I didn’t know she had commented on it. I was just imagining it to be unlikely that millionaires & billionaires share washrooms with other people, not much more effort to do private washrooms when you’re taking in that much money.
Perhaps they have a couple of one-person unisex bathrooms. It wouldn't be politically correct for them, but it gets around the problem. I expect Caitlyn/Bruce wouldn't be the only customer either.
WE. DO. NOT. DEADNAME. TRANS. PEOPLE.
No matter how much of a piece of shit she is. You don't call a black person you don't like the n-word, you don't blood libel a jewish person. YOU. DON'T. DO. THIS.
Anyone claiming that deadnaming a trader makes you less of an ally is bullshit. Truly bullshit. To tell someone who is ANGRY THAT TRUMP IS IN OFFICE, that treating someone they way they DESERVE TO BE TREATED, is ludicrous.
And you're not an ally if you support a traitor...I think I'm more of an ally than someone so eager to support someone who deserted the trans community.
i’m not saying i support any of these people, i’m just asking you to respect someone’s identity. plenty of other shit to attack them on. also i’m trans you dumb fuck
And go to the men’s room and have her id and passport and everything else say male. Can that be checked? Cause id sure like to make sure she’s following his orders.
I didn’t do a mass unfollow on FB after the election. I wanted to know the temperature of my immediate community.
Teachers, former students, colleagues, "friends" will gasp and grasp pearls as I drop facts they don’t believe.
This is what she wanted this is what he gets.
What a perfect example of FAFO.
I believe the entire Trans issue is nothing but a smoke screen. Felon has way more evil plans he wants to slip under it.
Half of America is just too stupid to realise it.
Obviously this is a nightmare scenario for trans people. On a more minor point related i not seen mentioned this will also cost companies millions to alter data and recollect information, every single person who did not select "male/female" has to be questioned again and new documents/reports made
Caitlyn Jenner is a traitor to her own people and should not be in the spotlight. She does not represent trans people with dignity and honor. Fuck her.
It should go without saying that anyone who comes in here deadnaming or misgendering Caitlyn Jenner will be blocked. You can't fight transphobia with transphobia, period. You don't get to decide if someone's identity is valid based on your opinion of their politics and rhetoric.
In this case, it's more than justified. How the hell else are you supposed to convey their hypocrisy without straight calling it out? It's hard enough for them to understand the concept of shame and hypocrisy in the first place. I'm 100% for the use of malicious compliance.
By doing this, people are normalizing and justifying the exact behavior conservatives use to attack trans people and to attempt to delegitimize their very humanity. It's no more acceptable than it would be to call a person of color a racist slur for supporting Trump. It harms all trans people.
Hey Caitlin, can you stop please?
Huh. Didn't seem to work.
Listen, sometimes you need to piss people off to wake them up. Especially with hypocrisy. Malicious compliance, for instance, got rid of bibles in the classroom in my state. Did it offend and anger Christians? Uh, yup.Do you care? Uh, nope
Waeaponizing misgendering against any trans person is inherently transphobic.
It implies that being gendered correctly isn't basic human dignity for trans people like it is for cis people, but is instead a privilege that can be revoked if you so choose.
Trans person here. There are very, very few circumstances where mentioning somebody’s deadname is OK. This is one of them. Also, she probably did see that reply.
To all the self-proclaimed allies misgendering Caitlyn, I have a question: do you use slurs and bigotry against other minority members when they support fascists, or is that reserved for trans people? You all leapt on the opportunity to be transphobic here pretty fast.
There is also a difference between a minority operating in an environment that devalues them, simply because it is the prevailing system and cheer-leading for the implementation of a system that will devalue them.
If we are to respect their agency, we have to acknowledge their mistakes.
If the orange turd declared any of those other minorities to be non existent entities, and one of those formerly existing minorities thanked God for him and his declaration then I’m guessing most would
Nobody is saying we should do misgender. Kaitlyn is saying we should do that. Other minorities who voted for racial slurs and bigotry toward their own community will face the same consequences. Pointing that out is not supporting that happening.
Exactly! Personally, neither of us see it as "deadnaming", because it's only Bruce Jenner. He supported/voted for what Trump, Greene & maga in general are now calling for him to live. We respect trans people who respect themselves enough to OWN who they are. Bruce is hypocritical. He voted for this.
But this administration is proving how unsafe it is to be openly trans. People are going back in the closet because of this administration. Not every trans person has the privilege of owning who they are. Please don’t let your allyship be conditional on if you respect the individual’s decisions.
(1) Agreed for all but Jenner & like. Why? He's cheering, women now have fewer rights. When we wanted children, I had an unviable pregnancy (my blood -, baby's +). I miscarried & needed an er d&c to save my life & ability to bear children. Jenner rooted against that, so we have no sympathy for him.
I have sympathy for both of y’all. She is also a woman. Plenty of women vote against their best interests. Most wealthy white women did if we’re talking about reproductive freedom specifically. It doesn’t make us less deserving of those rights, it just makes it sad.
It is sad, and in general we're very angry... People like Greene making the rule that those in DC must use the bathroom of their assigned gender and Trump saying there will be no restrooms for those uncomfortable with male or female. Jenner took that away from his own community. It's just not right.
(2) As for the rest of the trans community, we're angered the likes of Trump, Greene, etc. are cheering for outright discrimination & hate. That "the leopard is eating" Jenner's face, is on him & him alone. We hate that Trump is taking rights from people courageous to be & live their true selves.
If she’s not busy doing yet another reality show. 🤷🏻♀️
Remember the recall of Newsom in California? She was going to run for it, until she got the call for a reality show and she was gone.
This is Stevie Trixx, he's a transgender porn star and was born a woman. I's glad all these Nancy Mace types will have no problem with him using the female bathroom.
To all those deadnaming Caitlyn Jenner *because of what she did* and because you hate her for it:
When you disagree with a black/Jewish/gay/muslim republican, what are you going to call them *because you think they deserve it*?
Just stop. Jenner is a PoS and that's NO excuse for this behaviour.
Caitlyn Jenner is female scum who voted against her best interests and the interests of all women, transgender people, and compassionate humans. She can f*ck straight off.
People are angry. And she betrays trans people. We’re sick and tired of people supporting Trump. I am angry at all the immigrants supporting him. I don’t know, I’m not seeing what you referring to, but she’s a piece of shit.
We agree she's a PoS.
And this is just a single example of what's being said. Have a scroll down. Or search the obvious words. https://bsky.app/profile/parkermolloy.com
Again, you interject your moral scold bulls*t when neither person you respond to even directed the name "Bruce" at Jenner. They pointed out the FACT Jenner's chosen candidate has/will outlaw use of preferred gendered identities.
Where in this whole thing your are responding to does anyone SPECIFICALLY call Jenner "Bruce"? Hmm? Neither person did. WE AREN'T DOING IT. And pointing out hypocrisy matters. Take your moral scold bulls*t and sit down.
If the president issued an EO requiring Jews to register and ID themselves using a a know Jewish slur, I might point that out to a Jewish person celebrating that particular president
I’d use whatever terms I felt were necessary to most clearly & accurately communicate the intent of the order targeting the individual. It’s the force & power of the EO that’s degrading to trans people & pointing that out clearly & accurately is the only way to address it
buuut, do you think this will be a Hulk situation where the name Bruce was a little 'too fruity' so they changed it to David to be 'manlier' for a while? before it became Bruce again? just gotta know what im working with here
Olivia wasn't calling her by her deadname. She said Trump ordered the government to do so. However, a lot of the people in the replies are calling her by her deadname and that is bad.
That's true and it wasn't the best way to do it but it's not deadnaming. You can argue it is still bad but she didn't call Caitlyn by her deadname so it's different. I do believe you should never mention a trans person's deadname unless you absolutely have to but that's a different issue.
The fact that she used her deadname was deliberate and it's hurt a lot of people that were supposed to be protected by people like Olivia today. That's all I'm going to say.
I'm personally more worried about the people actually calling her by her deadname and trying to justify it when called out. Those are the people who need to be shunned.
Olivia “pro Genocide” Juliana used her deadname, that is dead naming. You’re doing the same mental gymnastics those telling trans people they’re wrong for being upset by the deadnaming/misgendering going on.
Of course, I'm not gonna tell you that you have to have the same priorities as me. It's subjective as to which one is worse. As long as we both agree that both are bad, I think it's fine that we disagree.
I don't think the post dead-named her but apparently a lot of responses to it did. Thankfully my block lists seem to be scrubbing those.
I just want to point out that maybe if you don't see what is offensive it is because Bluesky has tools that block the offensive shit before it reaches you.
You aren't a woman now, according to the Trump doctrine. You are a man and you will have to use the men's bathrooms again. Enjoy. You get what you vote for.
You realize those of us who didn’t vote for this are subject to this right? You realize trans people see your conditional use of someone’s name and correct pronouns? Do you not see how this hurts people?
It's going to be a problem spreading her makeup out on the counter in the men's room. They just didn't allow for that. But I suppose she could use the changing tables for as long as they last....
Were you born yesterday? Seriously. No trans woman can ever use a men’s restroom and not be assaulted. That’s what these mothercluckers want. I ain’t going back . You assholes called me a girl my whole life and now I live as one you want me back in your club so you can fuck with some more?Fuck you!
In fact she is. And so is every American. The EO says that whatever you are at conception that’s what you are. Well at conception we are all female. The Y chromosome shows up weeks later. So if you follow their definition to the letter, all Americans are women.
Who would've guessed handing the reins of power to a bunch of ignoramuses who couldn't pass an 8th grade science test would lead to nonsense like this?
What of intersex people? Example...a person born with ovaries and testies? Someone born with a vagina but no ovaries or uterus? And I could go on and on with the variations....
“Every developing embryo, irrespective of its sex, at one point contains both male and female reproductive tracts…” Therefore, at conception, would we not all be considered intersex? 🏳️⚧️ 🩷
This is why I have zero respect for whatever bruce is. He wants expectance, we gave it to him, he buddies up to a dude who runs millions of ads for anti trans, now blocks transgenders from being recognized, and still bruce licks it up. There are no morals in that fold. Bruce, your on ur own!
On the sycophancy scale of 1-10 with 10 being the highest, this is a moonshot 1,000,000. Why do people feel the need to ingratiate themselves so badly?
When Caitlyn took away other transgender rights by standing against them, with someone who they know would outright hurt others, just because. Standing with the bully and doing nothing is compliance.
If standing with Trump is more important than standing with other humans, then BRUCE JENNER it is!
I just said that yesterday in a previous post so now are they going to make him turn back into Bruce
Or as usual because he's Rich they'll let him continue to be Trans while he threw all other Trans people under the bus
You can speak for you. You may be speaking for most, but there are plenty of self-haters around, so maybe 98%.
But Caitlyn... I don't think you can speak for her.
Stephen Miller is a far-right, bigoted Trump supporter so calling him a Nazi is fine. But Caitlyn Jenner is a woman named Caitlyn Jenner so calling her a man named Bruce Jenner is wrong. You don't have to like her. I don't like her. But intentionally misgendering or deadnaming her is bad.
Ok so can we all not dead name her? Yeah she fuckin sucks and deserves our ire, but can we not deadname and call her a man? Real fuckin awesome allies you libs always turn out to be. Might as well be the fuckin Republicans acting like that.
To be clear. Fuck Caitlyn Jenner. We can find better ways to say that than calling her a man. Just because trump did a thing doesn't mean we fall in line and start parroting the shit he says because "irony" or whatever.
The thing is I don't care about the liberty and humanity of bad people, it's not a trans thing.
Believe it or not, pulling punches, for bad people just gives them an opening. Sometimes crude, mean and horrible responses are needed to get the point across.
We're not deadnaming her. We're pointing out that the man she's celebrating here just ordered her to *be* deadnamed, and misgendered, in all official matters. Under that EO, she will no longer be able to use a passport or file a tax return under the name "Caitlyn Jenner".
I never suggested any, my point here is that by making the "joke" to deadname her is to basically announce that people's identities are only valid so long as we agree with them. That's dangerous thinking and plays directly into the shithead's hands. Don't deadname, period. Again, fuck Caitlyn Jenner
That's fine, but also not my point. I also want these fuckers to hurt, but I'm not willing to hurt my trans family in the process. Deadnaming hurts everyone in the community. When other people without the knowledge of the nuance see you deadnaming, they'll just think it's ok. You don't want to hurt
No fam. There are people in these replies deadnaming her. Calling her a man etc. It's not a joke, it's not funny and it only hurts trans people. I'm new to this type of platform so maybe I did it wrong, but I read through replies and saw a disturbing number of people "joking" that she's a man.
As part of the LGBTQ community, Caitlin Jenner is an embarrassment and dishonors everything the trans and this community fights so hard to protect. She doesn’t speak for us nor does she deserve our support or respect.
I will will respect that bc I respect trans people, and whether I like her or not Caitlin Jenner is trans. She’s a horrible person but I can’t not acknowledge she isn’t a man and that would make just as bad as the right. I understand everyone wanting to cancel her, and I’m ok with that, cancel away.
Absolutely! If she wants to throw the rest of us under the bus, why are we gonna be “so careful not to offend the queen.” It makes me sick to see everyone cow-tow to her right now. She’s a traitor.
Caitlyn is so used to the privilege that comes with being a rich white male celebrity that she will never understand being less privileged. She will continue to worship trump even as his minions kick her into oblivion.
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then you don't accept trans people.
It's the vulnerable trying to figure life out without the resources they need that will suffer most
Suppose millionaires are insulated a little though. Ultimately she can move country, if and when she wishes
also, Gaetz
This is ironic.
I am in awe
At this point, I just walk past him, my mouth agape, without the ability to blink.
Black people
Women
Gays
Etc
It’s
In the history of America.
We dont deadname people even if we hate their politics.
No matter how much of a piece of shit she is. You don't call a black person you don't like the n-word, you don't blood libel a jewish person. YOU. DON'T. DO. THIS.
Caitlin Jenner is a deadname, for example
you will learn this at some point.
That is so out of character for me, yet here I am.
Teachers, former students, colleagues, "friends" will gasp and grasp pearls as I drop facts they don’t believe.
The goal is they weed themselves out.
What a perfect example of FAFO.
I believe the entire Trans issue is nothing but a smoke screen. Felon has way more evil plans he wants to slip under it.
Half of America is just too stupid to realise it.
It effects everyone else but her, that’s the way these people think.
Do a refer to her as her (my preference) or as "him" (to make a point)
🤔
After all, watching her supporters who voted Trump implode at the mental gymnastics they'll have to do to defend her...
...that could be fun
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Huh. Didn't seem to work.
Listen, sometimes you need to piss people off to wake them up. Especially with hypocrisy. Malicious compliance, for instance, got rid of bibles in the classroom in my state. Did it offend and anger Christians? Uh, yup.Do you care? Uh, nope
It implies that being gendered correctly isn't basic human dignity for trans people like it is for cis people, but is instead a privilege that can be revoked if you so choose.
No. The laws come and go. The rights are organic and unconditional.
Time we act like it.
She's pointing out that it's a law to dead name her.
Jenner is thanking God for the people who just used the might of the American government to deny her very existence.
If we are to respect their agency, we have to acknowledge their mistakes.
Transphobes.
If you're an ally, don't talk like an enemy.
I know the intent is to somehow highlight her hypocrisy, but deadnaming isn't cool.
This wouldn’t shock me.
Remember the recall of Newsom in California? She was going to run for it, until she got the call for a reality show and she was gone.
When you disagree with a black/Jewish/gay/muslim republican, what are you going to call them *because you think they deserve it*?
Just stop. Jenner is a PoS and that's NO excuse for this behaviour.
I'm not expecting consistency to be a hallmark of his second term.
https://bsky.app/profile/parkermolloy.com/post/3lgb4arzyec2g
And this is just a single example of what's being said. Have a scroll down. Or search the obvious words.
https://bsky.app/profile/parkermolloy.com
I left Twitter for a reason.
I just want to point out that maybe if you don't see what is offensive it is because Bluesky has tools that block the offensive shit before it reaches you.
🤷🏻♂️
Sorry, Bruce. Just obeying the rule of your King Trump.
Trump doesn't think she exists?
Fixed it for your precious and unimaginative mind.
😁
❤️ this! Karma, “Bruce”!!
So....... 😂
If standing with Trump is more important than standing with other humans, then BRUCE JENNER it is!
* Trump's new gender rules.
Or as usual because he's Rich they'll let him continue to be Trans while he threw all other Trans people under the bus
But Caitlyn... I don't think you can speak for her.
She's literally selling out trans people and someone made a good point by dead naming her. She literally is fighting to have you all dead named.
then deadnaming her is directly counter to your ideals and you should not do it. Relatedly, only trans people you know will see what you've said.
There isn't a righteous reason to be a terf.
Believe it or not, pulling punches, for bad people just gives them an opening. Sometimes crude, mean and horrible responses are needed to get the point across.
She needs her humanity questioned.
Where that point is may change from person to person, but it's there.
It's not novel or even distinct.
Nothing in your morals is benefitted by or supports you being openly transphobic,
other than the schadenfreude you feel when doing so.
Jenner is a shitty human. Full stop.
https://bsky.app/profile/sterlingsexotics.bsky.social/post/3lge4jqt4a22b
Sums it up.