There’s a real chance that we staring down a new pandemic in the form of bird flu. It could never happen or happen in the coming months. And we are in the process of decimating our core national public health and infectious disease service.
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Now things are moving onto land where they cause more notice; backyard flocks, egg-laying hens. Local mammals are becoming susceptible; various zoo mammals, cows, cats of all kinds.
And us. What is lacking is human to human spread. So far.
Do you know what’s especially sick about all of this? We have an H5N1 vaccine because the Obama administration funded a program to create a cell based flu vaccine. I was one of the scientists involved. And the Biden administration ordered several million doses. And we will likely let that all rot.
I appreciate all y'all scientist' hard work. I'm a senior and disabled. I get all my immunizations/vaccinations. I encourage my older sister& bro too & my friends at senior center. Please do not imagine your work is in vain. ☮️💙
It won't all go to waste. I'm sure members of the administration will get this vaccine, while raising doubts and leaving the rest of us to fend for ourselves.
It is a private company that makes the vaccine/owns the tech but like most things of this nature, it does not make sense to direct resources to manufacturer a product that currently has no way of being distributed.
COVID took him down after his first term and let's face it, it will happen again. Whether it's a pandemic, a global conflict or an economic depression, he will be incapable of dealing with it. Tick, tick, tick.
Wasn't there a story about Trump knowingly lying about COVID because he didn't want to make people feel bad? Wonder if that same sentiment is driving this: "if we don't test, it doesn't exist."
It's literally the shit Alex Jones has been talking about for decades except they're the ones doing it. It's always been projection. They've always been saying what's coming, just *they* wanted to be the ones doing it to *other people*.
Bird flu is rare in humans and only a few people have died from it. It cannot be passed from humans to other humans, only sick birds (chickens) can pass it to people. This is nothing but the loony left scare mongering.
China decided to unleash a plague on its own people. Crashed their economy, forced people to remain isolated in their apartments. If it was planned rather than accidental, can you explain what the plan was & whether it was successful? Keeping in mind it killed all over the world
Avian Flu has been around since the 1800s' and the only reason it is a problem now is because neither Right Wing Corporate Party is willing to regulate the Industrial Meat Farming going on in the Country for the last 50 years in particular, to stop it https://youtu.be/GRR1-8tmN0Y?si=rjZvncvjC6RRzQv9
Except, the problem for them is how they've spent the past 8 years having hissy fits over mask, vaccines, etc. So how are they suddenly going to pivot to get their base to line up for "the jab" and take minimal precautions?
Yeah, sweetie… they’re just pretending on the “race” stuff to keep you controlled. As has been the case since they invented it, after Bacon’s Rebellion. They’ve decided that the future doesn’t need all of us… and that unneeded “us” included a lot of so-called white people.
First, They want all the “weak” to die, regardless of race.
Second, only people wealthy enough to pay for medical care for themselves or their children, or who follow science despite the propaganda, will survive.
Combined, it will decimate the disabled, poor (heavily black), and less educated.
The amazing part is that they don't think they might die in the process. And they are all pretty belligerent about socializing and refusing to mask. Trump only survived Covid by the skin of his teeth and bird flu is much deadlier.
The bird flu pandemic under the guidance of the
Musk/Trump Presidency will certainly solve the housing problem.
RFK junior's confirmation was celebrated by America's Funeral Home Business.
Nearly a thousand people worldwide have contracted H5N1 from animals so we know something about what to expect. The death rate is about 50%. Far, far worse than COVID.
Cats can catch H5N1 from fowl/cattle and there are two cases of possible transmission (one cat/human, one human/cat). There is
NO REASON a mutation which makes human-to-human transmission possible can not occur. Careful, responsible, ethical scientists have been keeping an intensive watch for this.
But we can not count on them being there anymore, or on a vaccine. They can be dismissed arbitrarily by Trump Administration.
No- it's about POC, seniors, disabled,- all of whom are deemed disposable,-- diseases, unaffordable meds, cutting Medicare/Medicaid/SNAP, messing w/Social Security (end up homeless--> suicide, die on the streets or get hauled away), and if there are unintended victims, so much the better for them.
Their philosopher-king Curtis Yarvin (Vance, thiel, other South Africans in this club) believes only workers deserve to live, and children who'll grow into workers -- no sense in waiting until they're fully grown, they can apprentice ~ age 10. Disabled, homeless, people on benefits become biofuels
project 2025 considers this a win - lots of 'poor' people will die, and their assets and medical bills will ruin their families, allowing for their businesses and properties to be purchased by the wealthy. combine this with the absolutely-by-design-they-literally-said-they-were-doing-this recession
I think the plan is to create so much of a domestic crisis - health crisis, terrorism incident - that Trump declares a state of emergency to suspend civil liberties.
If you look at the people he's installed in health, intelligence, national security and defense, there's no better explanation.
Bleach will clean surfaces of MOST bacterial and viral organisms. you may DIE if foolish enough to DRINK bleach.
However, #Ttumpvirus is treatable only when the DEMENTED Leader is in a hospital or prison. Even his family knows this and has not addressed issue. He cannot be cured.
Republicans let us know they killed off all the old people by downplaying COIVID because they weren't productive. It's Musky's call now and I figure he wants to kill off a new batch since it's been 5 years. Useless mouths to him...
So is this intentional to kill us, Christian Nationalists who think they’ll be spared because Jesus, or is it just a bunch of tech bro dumbfucks who think they know everything?
They want to have a catastrophe and then call it the rapture. They (Evangelicals) have a death wish for the planet. Why they don’t just kill themselves is beyond me. Oh, they want all of us to suffer or die too. 🤬🤬🤬
Id say stock up on PPE before tariffs hit but thats already come and gone. Maybe stock up on essentials tho before the shitstorm of the administration mucks it up even more than covid
Yes you can do that and other tricks but it should never have been like that, nor should it be again. You can still order N95/FP2 masks on amazon right now (or other medical sites) before hopefully it gets that bad (again)
If I didn’t know any better I’d swear there is a project run amok that its very existence is to destroy the fabric of this country from the inside out. Call me paranoid but that’s the way I’m seeing it. Three clues……
Russia Russia Russia
Survived the last, will survive the next because I believe in science. Will isolate with hubby & take all precautions, only relaxing when science explains which ones can be gone. Stocked up on masks, wipes, & disinfectant after Nov 6. Will not assume this pandemic is the same as the last.
We still have an ongoing Covid-19 pandemic. Public health has gotten consistently worse since 2020 with no upgrades to HVAC systems, criminalization and discouragement of masking any other basic preventative measures, and the further privatization of health services.
Same in europe also, dont be fooled. Another hits the only ones prepared will be the Chinese and they wont be sharing PPE like the last time. The only difference between the US/EU is that EU doesnt try to kill everyone, they just fail to implement well
If you want democracy and protect it Fokking get out and PROTEST.
Freedom is more easily lost than won.
Democracy did not come into existence with peaceful demonstrations.
Civil disobedience, Civil war.
Europe has seen many episodes to install and protect democracy.
Repost and spread the word.
he is decimating our ability to even detect a pandemic, because he wrongly feels he was unjustly blamed for the excess deaths caused by his poor-faith bungling of covid.
Have Trump and Musk bought into the whole 'bring on the apocalypse ASAP because we want to get to heaven faster' thing that some of the evangelicals want?
Seriously thinking I should resume behaving like we're back in the phase of the Covid pandemic where we didn't know if it was transmitted on surfaces but did know it was transmitted through respiration (there was the whole droplets/aerosols debate but fuck that). Wash everything, mask everywhere.
Yes, it's rather scary. I suspect it may roll out like covid did. I was at the hospital this morning for a procedure and masked up. Several others did when they saw me, it reminded them. My doc told me about a month ago to mask up again, there were too many 'bugs' out there. Masks save lives!
I hope I'll be reincarnated in the After-Trump years, when American Democracy is back, our vaccines are back in business, our education is back, America is rebuilt, and we have female POTUSes...
bullshit. tell this to farms where virus has been detected months ago but owners wouldn't release data, nor cull their infected animals or treat them.
Bird flu was around years ago with a different genome set but didn't mutate to today's genetic mutations.
Pull your incorrect statement now.
If it was not clear, the first sentence is called sarcasm as it would not be possible for a flu to know that Trump was elected. The second sentence is not sarcasm because Trump has indicated he will not fight the next pandemic. No lockdowns. No masks. No vaccine mandates.
We are in the center of it here in Iowa. Millions of birds have been euthanized. Our Governor didn't care during COVID and she isn't going to give a damn if the bird flu begins impacting us.
And Avian Flu has been around since the 1800s' and the only reason it is a problem now is because neither Right Wing Corporate Party is willing to regulate the Industrial Meat Farming going on the Country for the last 50 years in particular to stop it. https://youtu.be/GRR1-8tmN0Y?si=CRiHzdPJINeejTq2
Thousands of us will die “mysteriously” and there will be no official trustworthy data on cause from the government and the media will report “Trump and Musk Explain Why Thousands Didn’t Actually Go Anywhere, You Just Think They Did”
COVID killed 1MM+ Americans. WAG that a minimum of 2/3 were on both SS & Medicare/Medicare. Those deaths reduced federal outlays by a minimum~$21B annually, excluding additional savings on fed/military pensions.
H5N1 is a feature, not a bug, for this administration. Gonna get screwed DOGE style
They’re greedy fucking vultures.
I bought 50 kn95 masks the day after the election.
Anyone who thinks they won’t do it again is kidding themselves, this time it will be worse.
Gee, what could go wrong ?? (again?)
No warning, no playbook on response requirements, people laid off and can't help anyone !! Sounds like Amerikkkka being FIRST again!! 😵💫😵💫
Supposing that the admin goes for traditional vaccines, they may not match variants as well and they will be bottlenecked on adjuvant + egg supply chains.
I don’t know if worse than Elon since they moved quickly to stop tracking, testing, reporting and providing information on best practices on Bird Flu and I’m sure other things like Covid. Then the attempts on research funding and states losing funding and having to concentrate on legal fights
Yeah, at any other period you could say the inertia of the institution will move things forward. But if we go there even the friction of a Secretary who opposes vaccines or the basic scientific method will mean a lot of people needlessly die.
It’s also really fucking bad that he’s empowering state level cranks like the surgeon generals of Fl and La. He’s not just going to dismantle the federal public health system, but allow state level public health to be destroyed. Those programs have been underfunded for decades, they’re fragile.
Yeah. Trump fumbled Covid badly, but mostly acquiesced to public health experts the first few months.
An anti-vax/public health response to a bird flu pandemic could cause hundreds of thousands, if not over a million, American deaths, depending on the fatality rate.
I thought that about Herman Cain at the time and karma had a way with him...I still think Musk and Trump are more dangerous. Intelligent people will watch RFK and his followers drink worm juice and pee and not follow.
Imagine if Thabo Mbeki were behind some of the biggest public health agencies in the world instead of just a regional power, and I still don't think that gets you there.
Not to get dark about what is probably coming, but no-one in the current regime is very fond of masking and they all seem to think they are invincible. I don't want to type what I'm actually thinking...
It's a damn shame Biden spent four years training the country to despise the notion of public health and embrace a new future of eternal infection and spiking mortality in all ages.
Sure did a great job setting up an easy decimation from Trump.
Human destruction will stop one way or another, and disease and famine are great agents, if you're every other thing on this planet. But this is Manslaughter, to say the least. And all of the food, the animal suffering, the ranchers?
We know the problems. Protest outside with others.✊
There are tests already available to test for Bird flu but here in Ga they are not requesting them when testing is negative for COVID/ Influenza A& B… so until MD’s test
More we will only be aware of those who need hospitalization
IF we do have one, everyone will blame the current administration instead of realizing the massive pushback it will inevitably receive is vastly a result of how poorly the previous one was handled.
We need some intrepid reporters hounding RFK Jr. for a detailed plan about what HHS will do to prevent bird flu from becoming the next pandemic, and what they’ll do to keep people safe if it’s already too late to stop it from spreading.
Get your vaccine boosters. Keep your immune system as healthy as you can, de-stress, eat right, get sleep, vitamins, supplements, whatever you need. We are in this alone.
Without EIS it may be hard to even know. I'd be interested in @angierasmussen.bsky.social or @kavehmd.bsky.social thoughts on what we should expect without CDC data collection and investigation.
And of all the people in the world who should feel shameful for their actions during the last pandemic, it should be felon Trump who knows he fucked it up. It was Biden who saved America from Covid as a crisis, and Nancy Pelosi who hung Biden out to dry.
Yeah, but Josh - they made Trump look bad, back in 2020. Sure, getting rid of them might cause a lot of illness and death, but our lives are but a small sacrifice, one he's willing to make!
I expect no less than 2 pandemics in the coming years. And the return of curable diseases killing millions. This is disgraceful and there's nothing we can do. We're literally watching a train wreck in slow motion.
This is why we need some kind of shadow govt/task force/WTFEver to mount a coordinated response to what is happening and to offer facts that Reps are trying to hide. It needs to be broadcast everywhere every day. The media will cover Sec Pete. But something needs to happen.
It will happen. Have people already forgotten about exponential growth from COVID? The only possible mitigation is that influenza is more vulnerable to temperature so tends to subside in the summer.
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Sea bird decimations seem to be observed first. Over the years, sea mammals became susceptible, then vulnerable to infection; walrus, sea lion, etc.
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And us. What is lacking is human to human spread. So far.
Will post links to articles referenced below.
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https://www.theguardian.com/science/2005/jul/07/sciencenews.birdflu
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/20/avian-flu-h5n1-wreaks-devastation-seabirds-aoe
https://www.theguardian.com/science/audio/2022/jul/19/falling-from-the-sky-in-distress-the-deadly-bird-flu-outbreak-sweeping-the-world
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2023/04/more-than-3300-sea-lions-in-chile-die-of-h5n1-bird-flu/
bunch...duh.
Like the last time
Here we go again….
Or non-profit?
#BirdFluVax
That is: who was right about the best way to approach a pandemic?
The CDC scientists and Dr. Fauci and the vaccine proponents?
Or the antivax raw milk enthusiasts and the quacks who endorse them?
I feel like a lunatic typing that out.
It's so colossally fucked
China decided to unleash a plague on its own people. Crashed their economy, forced people to remain isolated in their apartments. If it was planned rather than accidental, can you explain what the plan was & whether it was successful? Keeping in mind it killed all over the world
First there's a die off of no specific race. Then with few people, they begin a whites'only breeding program? Or?
Sorry, my imagination fails me here
Second, only people wealthy enough to pay for medical care for themselves or their children, or who follow science despite the propaganda, will survive.
Combined, it will decimate the disabled, poor (heavily black), and less educated.
https://www.dshs.texas.gov/news-alerts/measles-outbreak-feb-14-2025
Musk/Trump Presidency will certainly solve the housing problem.
RFK junior's confirmation was celebrated by America's Funeral Home Business.
Cats can catch H5N1 from fowl/cattle and there are two cases of possible transmission (one cat/human, one human/cat). There is
But we can not count on them being there anymore, or on a vaccine. They can be dismissed arbitrarily by Trump Administration.
The MAHA Moms now insist on healthy food in schools, but when Michele Obama wanted that, they said it was a Stalinist conspiracy.
I keep reading this is their goal but I'm fuzzy on how they reach their goal, unless only whites are allowed to breed -- and how is that achieved?
https://apnews.com/article/measles-texas-mmr-vaccine-homeschooling-b29d08d53cf26704968e8c00dfa712ba
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Hope Trump sacrifices Trump voters, not Americans who didn’t vote for Trump! 🙏🏻
If you look at the people he's installed in health, intelligence, national security and defense, there's no better explanation.
Drinking bleach will not solve this.
However, #Ttumpvirus is treatable only when the DEMENTED Leader is in a hospital or prison. Even his family knows this and has not addressed issue. He cannot be cured.
Bless Their Heartless Chests ....
The child needs to be removed from his environment. well on his way towards major mental illness if not. children are resilent when parents not toxic.
and "Fail Fast"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism#:~:text=Accelerationism%20is%20a%20range%20of,create%20radical%20social%20transformations%2C%20otherwise
Not incompetence.
The plan.
Prepare accordingly.
🆕UPDATE
👉Trump’s Mass CDC Firings Leave U.S. Vulnerable as Bird Flu Spreads
#BeRelentless
i teach. EVERYbody has flu right now, little to no covid (if they or their drs are testing correctly) in the school
many: "ive got the flu"
"were you tested for H5"
"i have no idea"
it's here. Case Fatality Rates low now, and that's good
Russia Russia Russia
Freedom is more easily lost than won.
Democracy did not come into existence with peaceful demonstrations.
Civil disobedience, Civil war.
Europe has seen many episodes to install and protect democracy.
Repost and spread the word.
Republican Party wants to kill us, but we get to "own the libs" while doing it!
*Votes R* Them's my peeps!
Bird flu was around years ago with a different genome set but didn't mutate to today's genetic mutations.
Pull your incorrect statement now.
H5N1 is a feature, not a bug, for this administration. Gonna get screwed DOGE style
I bought 50 kn95 masks the day after the election.
Anyone who thinks they won’t do it again is kidding themselves, this time it will be worse.
No warning, no playbook on response requirements, people laid off and can't help anyone !! Sounds like Amerikkkka being FIRST again!! 😵💫😵💫
An anti-vax/public health response to a bird flu pandemic could cause hundreds of thousands, if not over a million, American deaths, depending on the fatality rate.
#usprotests
Sure did a great job setting up an easy decimation from Trump.
Weird how Dems keep coincidentally doing that.
We know the problems. Protest outside with others.✊
Trumps 1st post on Truth (Pravda) Social 👇
#Covfefe
More we will only be aware of those who need hospitalization
https://www.npr.org/2024/09/07/nx-s1-5104656/bird-flu-missouri-patient-cdc
This time line sucks.
"I'm getting Japanese Universal Healthcare whether you like it or not, you monster...!"
✅keep 'em sick
✅Keep 'em dumb
✅Keep 'em financially broke
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/03/the-changing-political-geography-of-covid-19-over-the-last-two-years/
it all plays into their policies.
food riots, fear, etc.
us military deployed us soil to maintain order
Speak out.
Demonstrate.
Advocate.
Reciprocate.
Vote in the interests of the people.
Then keep on going and “hold the line” as someone once said.
FO: OOOOOOOH [dead]
Plus with RFKjr in charge the old classics are so very hungry.
Obama: Here's a plan to deal with a pandemic
Trump: << throws it away >>
Trump II
Biden: Hey, I fixed that pandemic you let happen
Trump: << fires everyone who fixed it >>