To be fair like nah animal products requires ten times the grain to produce therefore the only way this products are cheaper then the grain products is through artificially lowering their prices, and or raising plant based products artificially
I feel like there’s some misunderstanding involved in the original tweet, like a parent told her something that she misunderstood and she never stopped to question how fucking insane it sounded
I burst out laughing so hard that the pressure change tried to push my left eye out of socket. In a show of disregard for my occular safety, I am now following.
There’s a reason a revolution happened to begin with… the average person in China was dirt-poor. I’m not crying over ungodly rich people being forced to give their stuff away lmao
It's weird that we study science and attempt to prevent diseases.
It's weird that indoor plumbing and toilets are so commonplace.
It's weird that children waste so much time being brainwashed in public schools instead of working the fields and factories.
#sarcasm
more than anything, i really feel for her kids. imagine having to grow up in the same house as annie lowrey and ezra klein and listening to them talk absolute nonsense 18 hours a day in the most condescending tones imaginable
I hate to be that guy but with egg prices increasing and bird flu on the rise, now’s a great time to find substitutes, lower your animal product intake, or outright go vegan.
Other than like milk, eggs should be near the bottom of the animal product price chart. Chickens will lay them at least every 3 days for years, and it doesn't take a lot of resources to keep them alive. (Note I am not saying factory farming is good, just reflecting on its realities)
just because so many people rely on them as a cheap source of food doesnt mean it isnt deeply fucked up what happens to chickens in industrial egg farms.
the entire system needs to be changed not only for our benefit, but for animals' too.
Ok, so it was about the cruelty of factory farming. I would be much more willing to pay more for ethical foods. I also understand that some people can barely afford to provide enough calories for their families.
What's even weird about it? They're one of the easiest animal based proteins to produce and have a virtuous cycle in self-replenishing via new chickens
"Little Monetary Value" is also a weird take - like the excess chickens couldn't also have been used for stock chickens.
You don't even need to excessively feed them. The more tough meat makes for a better broth - this just raises the question of what the fuck chicken stock is actually made out of
I do want to point out, for the crowd, that this article has a piss poor headline but largely is about just how miraculous it was that eggs ever got that cheap.
It's not a right wing hit piece. It's really more a dissertation on the fact that eggs became cheap through tech.
The reality is Americans pay much less for food than most nations because of our shoddy & cruel industrial farming practices that harm animals & farm workers, and USDA subsidies that reward shoddy practices.
often several times a day, depending on the time if year and breed of chicken, and you don't have to raise them in hell conditions to make that happen either!
It’s wild because humans have had domesticated chickens for…a very long time. They’re small, don’t need much food and produce food for humans. This really should be a no-brained lol
regular chickens (not bread to be layers) don’t lay that many eggs that often, eggs are cheap because of the horrendous animal (and worker) cruelty in the egg industry. she’s not wrong.
Industrialized chicken farming is a nightmare, but I raise chickens very much not that way. We have heirloom breeds, they freely wander our property, no cages of any size (they voluntarily sleep in a coop we provide, usually)
They average out to more then one egg per day per laying age hen
that must be why very old peasant recipes from all around the world use eggs as a main source of protein, because they're actually very expensive and rare without factory farming
there is absolutely a difference between “heritage breed” chickens and layers/broilers who’ve been optimized for the food supply. also it’s not the frequency of laying that’s really the issue, it’s how they’re housed and treated.
Even breeds not bred for eggs lay regularly, and they don't lay more if they're treated cruelly. If factory-farmed chickens lay more it's because the farms only raise breeds designed for maximum laying, not because they're penned up.
I’m not going to get into the industrial farm stuff, which I agree has ethical issues but your average backyard chicken lays eggs every 24-36 hours. Eggs are cheap because they are plentiful.
this man obviously has an agenda. he wants people to be willing to pay premium prices for his food. even he admits that his costs are far higher than they have to be, though he says that his product is worth it. the comment on the piece from another farmer suggests his numbers are greatly inflated
Yes, there are differences between subspecies and between wild and domesticated animals, this is known
Have you ever been to a humanely run chicken farm, or even the house of someone who has a single chicken as a pet? It might enlighten you more than an AI search result
Hint: humans were selectively breeding animals before we developed factory farms. The average domestic hen 500 years ago was NOT laying 10-15 eggs a year.
Yeah this why anyone who’s ever known someone with chickens has received eggs from them. They can’t eat all of them. It’s the same if you know anyone who gardens and has zucchinis.
Had backyard chickens as a kid. Can confirm. Even the "heavy" breeds lay eggs quite often when the days have enough light. We made a lot of pound cake to use up eggs.
I own 11 chickens, and we get anywhere between 8 and 11 eggs a day.
We’ve had chickens for a long time, when they get old, they start laying less, usually 1 every 2-3 days after the first two years. We feed them really well and they have tons of space. (1/3)
Some breeds lay less than that, sure, but I promise our chickens are happy and healthy and very well fed with lots of space (a big coop that they stay inside of for winter, and in warmer months they are free to roam during the day and we just close the coop at night to protect them (2/3)
She is wrong! That's isn't what she says in the article. She just feels about technological innovations in a way that's barely coherent and doesn't really explain why the prices are getting higher
1. It didn't happen
2. Even if it did happen it's not a big deal
3. Okay it did happen but you don't understand <-- we're here
4. It did happen and it was awesome
i didn’t read the article but the cost of animal proteins like eggs is only typically low because the animals are treated horrendously. sorry for veganposting but it’s true!
Even if true (sadly it is), they're running this line of argument now out of convenience, Atlantic op ed people are not interested in ecological sustainability or animal liberation, they're in it to browbeat/shame the poor.
Classic case of Bad Faith Arguers being both correct and full of shit.
that eventually becomes the point of the argument to some degree, but it's buried so deep into the article as to feel like an excuse of "no you didn't read it all, so you don't know what i really meant"
The feed per chicken costs like 25 cents/day if that. Chances are if you have the land to build a coop, you already have most of the materials in your garage to knock one up/predator proof it. Roosters are easy to get, people give them away all the time. Chicks are dirt cheap.
"It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week."
it's meh article with a catchy title to make us go ugh. a tad tone deaf but good at clickbait. she's basically saying it's a miracle theyre even cheap and nationally distributed.
They should team up with the WSJ who told us not to eat breakfast to save money and write a cookbook. Oh look here’s a recipe for dirt pie! Here’s one for potato peel divan! Oh my God they even included the tastiest dressings for grass clippings!
I gave up on them in the 80s when James Fallows was extolling the wonders of the Japanese economy (LOL).
I mean, it just stands to reason that you'll have a first rate economy if you relegate half your talent pool to wearing tight skirts, giggling, and making tea!
Please tell me that article was satirical. Or has @theatlantic.com fallen onto the scrap heap with the @nytimes.com, @latimes.com, and the @washingtonpost.com?
Haven't read whole thing due to paywall..but wow, what more blatant example how twistedly obsessed mainstream media is to "both sides" every single GD thing? it's not "weird". Years ago we typically had about 15 chickens and by the week's end usually had enough eggs for for us and several neighbors.
FYI, anything with a paywall you can just run through https://archive.ph and read it.
The article isn't bad. She talks about how the egg industry is extremely wasteful, culls males indiscriminately etc and it's honestly a fucking miracle eggs are as cheap as they were.
example of potential option could be tax cuts to people with space and willing to raise their own chickens locally which also means less likely any contact with bird flu or need for antibiotics etc in general..but GOP really only care about tax-cuts for rich then we "bail out" farmers/economy later
cheers! I genuinely appreciate that! Honestly in last 2 yrs I'm coming back to the internet after some 15 year hiatus so daily learning/catching up. Read the rest..some good bits of info/anecdotes, but entire premise is false. doesn't change my point in supply can't otherwise be met than industrial
No, it was not "weird". It was the product of a system that made them cheap by violating the rights of the animals that produce them. This was not an accident, this was a choice that we continue to make.
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trumpist: “Eggs are anchor babies and un American!”
“all the eggs in China”
*ducks*
It's weird that indoor plumbing and toilets are so commonplace.
It's weird that children waste so much time being brainwashed in public schools instead of working the fields and factories.
#sarcasm
I’d like to remind everyone that for some reason, the right wing has made partisan vaccines, clean air, and now nutrition.
https://bsky.app/profile/thev.bsky.social/post/3lht2pc7nyc2c
Like, no, I don't want to hear you talk about what you did wrong this past election, thanks
Come, sit by me!
before @theatlantic.com they were Lumon Techologies
"Ideas" lol
All we have to do is keep the chickens from needlessly dying. That's it.
And cooking is messy, in general. What a weird thing to say.
just because so many people rely on them as a cheap source of food doesnt mean it isnt deeply fucked up what happens to chickens in industrial egg farms.
the entire system needs to be changed not only for our benefit, but for animals' too.
Good to know 👍
I’ve been doing a lot of growing and learning.
Leave me this one joy of foraging like my ancestors and eating every bit because goddamn.
When you get them by the dozens, it really makes you appreciate them less, individualy."
https://apnews.com/article/eggs-chicks-hens-iowa-e9ffd6ed93582a76adf3a4a16aadbf12
You don't even need to excessively feed them. The more tough meat makes for a better broth - this just raises the question of what the fuck chicken stock is actually made out of
It's not a right wing hit piece. It's really more a dissertation on the fact that eggs became cheap through tech.
https://archive.ph/6Tynx
https://old.reddit.com/r/EhBuddyHoser/comments/1izkt4v/what_is_you_guys_favorite_food_when_strapped_for/
Pound cake and pavlova anyone?
please
They average out to more then one egg per day per laying age hen
How many eggs do heritage lay vs “layers” or whatever?
https://backyardpoultry.iamcountryside.com/chickens-101/the-economics-of-egg-farming/
Have you ever been to a humanely run chicken farm, or even the house of someone who has a single chicken as a pet? It might enlighten you more than an AI search result
We’ve had chickens for a long time, when they get old, they start laying less, usually 1 every 2-3 days after the first two years. We feed them really well and they have tons of space. (1/3)
Get ready to eat cockroach
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket_flour
Sometimes, Kennedy.
Sometimes I think about the fragility of the human body.
I can barely even articulate why, other than that it's like full throttle doomerism.
1. It didn't happen
2. Even if it did happen it's not a big deal
3. Okay it did happen but you don't understand <-- we're here
4. It did happen and it was awesome
Do you not realize the number of guillotines we could buy for the price of such a feast?
Classic case of Bad Faith Arguers being both correct and full of shit.
[slides into 318 egg bath]
Next thing you know, the peasants will be demanding water and air and light. Lousy freeloaders.
::bangs head on hard surface::
::again::
::and again::
::and again::
etc
Start!
I um, don't think it is satire. It might be a ragebait headline, but evidently not satire.
https://bsky.app/profile/annielowrey.bsky.social/post/3lj6aidzrmc2j
just ignore her skeet about the article she wrote
I gave up on them in the 80s when James Fallows was extolling the wonders of the Japanese economy (LOL).
I mean, it just stands to reason that you'll have a first rate economy if you relegate half your talent pool to wearing tight skirts, giggling, and making tea!
The article isn't bad. She talks about how the egg industry is extremely wasteful, culls males indiscriminately etc and it's honestly a fucking miracle eggs are as cheap as they were.
https://archive.ph/6Tynx