Are you honestly not understanding that liberalism is a centre right political position.
Don't use theanguage of the GoP, call yourself a leftist if you're a leftist.
No you’re literally so boring. Reread what you wrote. Does this sound like something a man who is past middle age would write? You’re like 50 dude. Have some self-respect
If someone doesn't understand that liberalism is a centre-right idiology separate from the US use of "anyone who is not a nazi" then they're not worth interaction.
you stupid chart enthusiast dweebs will spend ten years trying to come up with a way to delicer as little value to as few people as possible while also selivering massive profits to an entirely pointless middleman. like, shit, take dumbfuck mcgee's canada dental plan. or the ACA. or means job scheme
ive seen what liberals achieve when left to their own (and property fetishists') command, and it looks like a boot stamping the human face but also occasionally it pauses to switch to a croc
this is going to sound very mean to some of you toad lickers out there but i would very much prefer liberals go colour pages with a crayon instead of devising ways to preserve the status quo. the status wuo sucks. the goal of leftism is nothing less than the end of inequality and the structure of it
I hate the idea you have to be one or the other, life doesn't work like that. On somethings I'm liberal on others I'm conservative, others I just haven't made up my mind on yet.
No, let me give you an example, I'm anti drugs, even a bit of weed. I am also pro-choice, a woman's body, her decision. Some things conservative and some things liberal. Somethings I don't have an opinion on as I don't know enough about them.
Depending where you come from, "liberals" has different meanings. In Australia, the Liberal party is Conservatives (right wing) and the Labor party is usually more socialist (left wing). They are all moving to the right, except the Greens - morphed from environmentalists to legislation blockers.
Not all liberals are right-wing, and neither all right-wingers are liberal. The same can be applied to the left-wing political axis. Actually, political quadrants became more 3D nowadays 🤓
Asking for an instant shift to progressivism via revolution in the United States is more akin to those insane Christians praying for the Book of Revelation to come true; it is not rational, it’s a horrifying prospect, and it likely would make life worse without sparing you like you think it would.
Liberalism may be right wing of most European governments, but it’s still leftward of AfD and other large far-right parties that are gaining footholds and seats of power in supposedly progressive Euro-society. Regardless of whom I’m replying to here, your comment is just not appreciated.
What I'm talking about is accepting that the violence-fueled status quo cannot be overthrown without violence and never has been.
Capitalists would rather kill every human being and the entire planet Earth than surrender power. As it always has real change comes through struggle and sacrifice.
Revolution remains the only option left to avert or at least minimize the incoming global climate disaster that the fascists are going to 100% accelerate.
Liberals had plenty of opportunity to defeat fascism and make a better world through their "ideal" system and have totally failed to do so.
I have more people over here that I actually interact with.. like I play lord of the rings warhammer and I actually have people to talk to about it. Over there it’s all porn and bots
Oh also just to clarify I hate the nazis are proliferating, but let's be clear you're not going to change them on here. If you can find common ground you might sway them, but that'll be months to years of hard thankless work, real world face to face work.
Not for everyone not supposed to be.
Oh the nazis are here too, I've seen a few the difference is Twiter, and Facebook pit everyone against each other for "the marketplace of (shit) ideas" here it seems to me they keep us in "echo chambers" (groups of like minded "friends")
They just can't harass you here.
I like it since SOCIAL media
They're definitely here, but it's a lot easier to pick and choose which ones reach you and sidestep the more trollish ones. They can't buy their way onto our timeline or rely on Muskrat to screw with the algorithm.
Pro-hierarchy, pro-capital, pro-state, pro-war, pro-authority, pro-market, pro-property, pro-class, and all those other evil things that ruin human society.
The Left-wing are the people who envision a world without this barbarism.
There's nothing pragmatic about liberalism. It's a conservative ideology fighting desperately to prevent radical social change by whatever means possible. The liberal has no vision for the future.
Meet classical liberal: "Men did not make the earth.... It is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property.... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." - Thomas Paine
Different strains of liberalism preach different lines but at the end of the day they all still defend the same system of bourgeoisie exploitation and oppression.
Even that quote by Paine doesn't call for the end of property, just its taxation. Different beast with the same burden.
"Truth is found neither in traditional capitalism nor in classical Communism. Each represents a partial truth. Capitalism fails to see the truth in collectivism. Communism fails to see the truth in individualism. Capitalism fails to realize that life is social. 1/2
Communism fails to realize that life is personal. The good and just society is neither the thesis of capitalism nor the antithesis of Communism, but a socially conscious democracy which reconciles the truths of individualism and collectivism." ~Martin Luther King
" Landlords grow rich in their sleep without working, risking or economizing. The increase in the value of land, arising as it does from the efforts of an entire community, should belong to the community and not to the individual who might hold title." ~John Stuart Mill
And yet for all these liberals coming out against land owners the land owners are still here despite global liberal hegemony and there isn't a single liberal anywhere who won't accept the idea of abolishing private property.
Paine's quote is saying we should share the economic rents of land as the proprietor is not the creator of it, the community did. See, even you Marxists confuse land as capital. It's not, it's a separate factor of production, a key one at that.
Eve 6 was a solid band?
I get it, its all taste and opinions.
But there must be 500.000 bands sounding just like them but better in American high-schools alone?
I just remember that "Am I origami?" song ...and I thought it was awful.
Maybe they switched up at a later stage? IDK
If someone is labelling a liberal as left wing, to me it just proves how right wing they must be. Looking from the left as a socialist, a liberal tends to lean more with right wing ideology.
Right. The party lines have definitely shifted. Somehow I woke up in the right despite being a leftist my entire life. Wait till y’all find out just how corrupt the dem party had become. I say that as a lifelong dem.
I have a Hasbara shills list (which are all Dems) and a Nazi incel list which is all MAGA. Gotta keep em separated. I’ll have to make a blue anon list.
Even if we pretend liberals aren't right wing, it's pretty silly when people make the assumption there are no (insert any ideology you care to name) on bsky. We curate our own timelines and choose what we see--if you're not seeking out the far right you're not going to see many far right posters!
they're just too used to the world bending over backwards to cater to them so when what they want isnt served up to them on a silver platter they piss and whine and moan
It honestly says more about them. Like, my list of blocks prove we got enough scum around. It is almost as if when they got here they didn't want to search for that kind of stuff either.
People keep calling this website a echo chamber but I’ve been here like a year and most of that time I’ve spent reading replies from liberals yelling at me that re-electing Joe Biden was more important than Palestinians lives.
Lmao Churchill hated Stalin and wanted Germany to exterminate them. He got mad at FDR and Stalin joking about executing the entire Nazi command without trial.
Tough on crime, border pandering, strongest military in the world, uhhh the Cheneys. France was able to build a successful leftist coalition to hold back fascism. Just super disappointed.
By compromising and rallying behind Macron.
And that’s precisely the problem with too many on the left in the U.S. The literal Nazis go out and vote with enthusiasm for Trump. The left stays home and wonders why we’re moving backwards
Tough on crime, how? Border pandering, how? What do the Cheney have to do with anything? They nothing was given to them, and they asked nothing in return…which is more than I can say for many on the passive left who would not do the bare minimum to prevent Trump
to put it in the simplest possible terms if liberals were actually enemies with fascists they'd treat them the way democrats treat gazan children. liberals couldn't even bother to arrest trump for doing millions of crimes. pathetic and evil.
liberals are currently exterminating an entire ethnic group with one of their many fascist allies, and they just made trump president a second time because they'd rather give dick cheney a 1.5 billion dollar Brat Summer than beat trump. liberals are Fascism's Annoying Spouse. not its enemy.
The notion social liberals are “right wing” is pushed by dishonest groups to make social liberals and democratic socialists fight each other. Sadly it works and people eat it up
Funny, in my state liberals are getting us free community college, fast and cheap countywide broadband, and green energy/infrastructure. If those are “right wing ideals” then sign me up! 😂
Don't worry, I'm sure they're still enjoying their slave labor and working on liquidating the homeless as well as providing the absolute bare minimum that conservatives in other developed countries are forced to deploy as well.
Eh, no. They're right wing in Europe too. Liberalism is essentially right wing bc of the economic viewpoint.
You just don't know what right wing means anymore.
You think it's extreme right.
Americans have completely distorted the meaning of liberalism, mostly by not looking the definition up.
It seems to me that in Europe, right wing and left wing is defined entirely by economic stances, and they do not care at all about social policies. Is that correct?
Like u could be a racist homophobe but support communism, ur left wing. U support human rights but like capitalism, ur right wing?
American take is equally weird to me.
But so long as you wouldn't call it liberalism, I'd leave you at it 😄
The reason your left was started to be called liberalism is simply because you HAVE no left.
Your libs are pretty right wing here, at best they're centre, centre/right
Yes, kind of, yes.
Everybody supports, say, universal healthcare, public transport etc so it's really not part of the left right debate. Lefties will want it state-run and on the right they will want it more privatised (liberals)
On immigration historically you are right ⤵️
but it's been changing to an American model (it's been weaponised bc it's a big issue) which is in turn changing what the parties stand for. The 80s left and the 2020s left have become unrecognisable. ⤵️
Here's a classicLiberal take: "Landlords grow rich in their sleep without working, risking or economizing. The increase in the value of land, arising as it does from the efforts of an entire community, should belong to the community and not to the individual who might hold title." ~John Stuart Mill
People who are ideologically ok with the existence of billionaires are right wing. Or maybe they’re just too dumb to understand how power works, you tell me.
Agreed. The perception gap between what Democratic are doing on the ground and what people online think is huge. One example is how I see well meaning people wave off the Infrastructure Bill as “just roads and bridges” when really what it is doing is far more expansive and dare I say “woke”
Anything that fights to keep the grossly unequal status quo largely untouched, bar a bit of tinkering round the edges or promises of 'jam tomorrow' for most of us, is, or might as well be right wing. What it sure as hell isn't, is left, which requires radical, root and branch change asap.
liberals are right wing because they're currently exterminating an entire ethnic group with one of their many fascist proxies. liberalism is a malignant far right ideology that produces nothing but mass graves, a dying planet, and a death spiral into fascist dystopia.
we're currently living in the consequences of liberals "making the world a better place." it's a fascist death spiral, it sucks, and the people who support it are inhuman monsters.
This is why the left lost in all categories last time. Exactly why. Nobody wants to believe that, but it’s true. Me and my “inhuman monsters” are going out for dinner. We’ll try not to kill and eat our waitress. 😉
nobody wants to believe it because it's a deranged baby tantrum. yes sweetie im sure everyone you talk to is specifically the reason why the "left lost" lmfao.
yall are repulsive losers. why you lose all the time is more complicated, but you do, specifically, exemplify liberal loser brain.
Interesting. Republicans won the house. Republicans won the senate. Republicans won the presidency. This isn’t just happening in america, either. It’s happening all over the world.
It may help to remember the Aus Liberal Party has embraced *every* US or UK invasion and fascist client state, and had close ties to the New Guard fascist paramilitaries at home. And Menzies loved sHitler.. https://overland.org.au/2017/06/a-forgotten-address/
When the Liberal party in Australia say they are liberal, they mean economically liberal as in they support the free market. Socially, they are very conservative, and "Australian Conservative Party" would be much more appropriate.
Social liberalism is not unrelated to economic liberalism in philosophy & history. Consider the concept of "equality" rather than "equity". Liberalism is associated with individualism which has helped foster a lot of progressivism but also atomisation of society & "rational objective" meritocracy.
The "Liberal" Party name makes more sense when considering they positioned themselves as anti-trade unions & social welfare etc.
Liberalism as practised now makes journalists want to pretend to be "objective" & politicians say nothing too challenging. It is milquetoast against authoritarianism.
Yes! support all pro democracy Americans, regardless of political affiliation. America was built as a land of discussion and problem-solving, not the fascist arrogance of ignorance.😂🇺🇸
Weird that most of the quote posters angry about this have never said anything about Gaza on their feed and that Harris running around the country with Cheney was a perfect idea.
"Progressives will never get it," they screamed as they lost another "most important election of our lives."
Plenty of right ringers, they just can't help themselves but to stoop to such levels of vitriol that they wind up getting banned. Must be something in the water, it certainly isn't fluoride.
Gianmarco (American comedian talking to an australian audience) :
"People who have more conservatives views here are called liberals. Which means if an American liberal moved here, based on their views you would also call them a liberal".
As distastefully problematic and progress obstructing as they are, Liberals are not the fascists. They aren't far enough left, but they aren't far right.
I have close to 1000 maga and trolls on my block list. I belong to 3 others. I add 150-200 a day. Just like everything else with them, they don't like facts.
Respect. There are plenty of liberals on here who think going off the corporate teat is NOT the way to go. Anyone, politician or media, who drinks that milk is right-wing to me. I'm GenX and the #Dems and liberals are supposed to be the party of the workers and the PEOPLE. ALL people.
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Don't use theanguage of the GoP, call yourself a leftist if you're a leftist.
Not being able to understand is a leftist stereotype you're not helping with.
That's what they do.
To the rest of it it's literally the only hope we have of a better future.
The planet is literally dying and fascism is rising once again. Liberal pluralism & democracy has failed. Reform has failed.
What you are talking about is having both sides bomb each other out of existence, leaving only the strangest and most dangerous to govern whats left.
Capitalists would rather kill every human being and the entire planet Earth than surrender power. As it always has real change comes through struggle and sacrifice.
Liberals had plenty of opportunity to defeat fascism and make a better world through their "ideal" system and have totally failed to do so.
Step aside. The future is no longer yours to hold after you've already ruined it so thoroughly through apathy, incompetence, and malice.
Go figure! Seeing the posts of the people you followed!
Weird!
At least we’re alive….
As long as we’re dreamin….
Everything’s gonna be alright……..”
Hypothetically, of course.
Not for everyone not supposed to be.
They just can't harass you here.
I like it since SOCIAL media
Even the devil has standards.
Pro-hierarchy, pro-capital, pro-state, pro-war, pro-authority, pro-market, pro-property, pro-class, and all those other evil things that ruin human society.
The Left-wing are the people who envision a world without this barbarism.
Meet classical liberal: "Men did not make the earth.... It is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property.... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." - Thomas Paine
Even that quote by Paine doesn't call for the end of property, just its taxation. Different beast with the same burden.
He was hinting at #Georgism here
Ask yourself why that may be.
Land owned is property but not all property is land.
I get it, its all taste and opinions.
But there must be 500.000 bands sounding just like them but better in American high-schools alone?
I just remember that "Am I origami?" song ...and I thought it was awful.
Maybe they switched up at a later stage? IDK
(advice for anyone reading this: just block them without even thinking about it)
I'm sure you'll be fine... 😂
What rightward shift?
By compromising and rallying behind Macron.
And that’s precisely the problem with too many on the left in the U.S. The literal Nazis go out and vote with enthusiasm for Trump. The left stays home and wonders why we’re moving backwards
This is Weimar Germany, not WWII.
The Democratic Party has been desperately trying to get people to not elect Donald Trump and are currently his only actual opposition.
These comparisons betray so much ignorance and irrationality.
Did you even vote?
Please pay attention!
Overturning the election?
I just don’t understand what you guys think you’re going to accomplish.
Like I said, did you vote?
This is why your ideology is failing as we speak.
I didn't vote, but if I had it would've been for Claudia de la Cruz; not Genocide Joe's heir apparent Killer Kamala.
I love liberalism, so socially progressive and not at all right wing. 🥰
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You just don't know what right wing means anymore.
You think it's extreme right.
Americans have completely distorted the meaning of liberalism, mostly by not looking the definition up.
Like u could be a racist homophobe but support communism, ur left wing. U support human rights but like capitalism, ur right wing?
But so long as you wouldn't call it liberalism, I'd leave you at it 😄
The reason your left was started to be called liberalism is simply because you HAVE no left.
Your libs are pretty right wing here, at best they're centre, centre/right
Everybody supports, say, universal healthcare, public transport etc so it's really not part of the left right debate. Lefties will want it state-run and on the right they will want it more privatised (liberals)
On immigration historically you are right ⤵️
Right leaning libs.
I mean, the centrists keep losing to Trumpism. What exactly do you have to lose, except Robbie Mook?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/the-politics-of-red-meat
Like my HS Econ teacher would say, “there are two political parties in the US, both of them right wing”
Currently it’s between liberals and fascist. In these circumstances I will happily make common cause with liberals and leftist.
VERY QUESTIONABLE BLOCKLIST-MOVES GOING ON...
Bluesky doesn't moderate, verify or investigate them, like it seems, which is sad, but too much work.
Check out posted block suggestions instead.
User made lists are a mighty manipulation tool.
yall are repulsive losers. why you lose all the time is more complicated, but you do, specifically, exemplify liberal loser brain.
Liberalism as practised now makes journalists want to pretend to be "objective" & politicians say nothing too challenging. It is milquetoast against authoritarianism.
"Progressives will never get it," they screamed as they lost another "most important election of our lives."
"People who have more conservatives views here are called liberals. Which means if an American liberal moved here, based on their views you would also call them a liberal".
For once I don't want to look at the comments 😂 because I KNOW what'll be in them
Did those guys migrate?
Are they alive?
Indoctrination happens on both sides.
Pragmatic.
Neither bunch has a monopoly on good or bad ideas.
You can spend the rest of your life shitting on people who agree 75% with you on most issues if you want.
You’ll be doing people you claim to hate an enormous favor.