It may well be the case, as Sen Schumer says here, that the Gov’t shutting down will be better for Trump than passing the bad CR. But he’s not doing a very good job of explaining why.
https://www.c-span.org/clip/us-senate/sen-schumer-i-will-vote-to-keep-the-government-open/5156948
https://www.c-span.org/clip/us-senate/sen-schumer-i-will-vote-to-keep-the-government-open/5156948
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As for explaining...
The people who really need it explained are primarily conspiracy nuts who helped elect Trump in the first place because "ScReW tHe DeMoCrATiC eStAbLiShMeNt" or "OuR rEvOLuTiOn" and "bErNiE wAs SeCrEtLy RoBbEd" etc.
It's tough.
They tend not to learn.
Well, Fat Nixon is certainly making him bark on command, so… yes?
It can lead to significant cuts & changes without congressional oversight.
The President can furlough staff & redirect funding, effectively gaining more control over government operations
A dictatorship is an autocratic form of government characterized by a leader, or a group of leaders, who hold governmental powers with few to no limitations
This is nothing but fear, bruv.
Even Hickenlooper couldn’t make a case for whatever slippery nonsense you’re hinting at by saying that Trump 2.0 would only do what they’ve already been doing.
Like, what?
I'm asking for a coherent convincing case that he's wrong on the merits, that is, rejecting this CR will make things concretely better in the long or short term. (Rather than sending a signal, rallying the Dems, standing up to Trump, etc)
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These roles are sacrosanct. If a government shutdown may result due to the performance of these roles that consequence fully rests upon the government. The opposition is not governing and is not the determinant
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Why frame it in the negative?
How does cooperation with political arsonists make things concretely better?
If someone is mugging you, don’t give them your PIN
Before anyone makes assumptions - I'm against Schumer on this one. Just trying to answer the Q of what he *might* be thinking.
If the dems rejected the Bill, they could go to swing states and campaign they’re not supporting Republicans and DOGE’s agenda.
Now they can’t.
Plus, he dumb.
So not only do the Dems not get anything at all, even the parts that many in the GOP want, will not be supported.
It's a complete shitshow!
I fucking hate this timeline
If true, Trump/Musk could do more harm and there would be essentially no legal way to fight back.
There are reports T/M want this.
If so, the shutdown is a trap.
So actual answer is Schumer should vote no...as gives Elon something he does not want!
The courts have been the only guard rail we have had for 47 days.
https://bsky.app/profile/outofduckstogive.bsky.social/post/3lkdlkkhnx224
On that note, I will not financially support any Dem Rep, Senator, or Governor that doesn't publicly call for Schumer to step down as Minority Leader.
Controlling the purse has been wiped out with Doge and the Orange tyrant.
Sorry to say that I am sure we need new leadership.
Does he have a reputation for being an honest broker?
I don't know what the right choice is, but let's make sure it's not a trap.
https://bsky.app/profile/jbendery.bsky.social/post/3lke6m4b7h222
Pelosi and AOC are a LOT smarter than him.
My thoughts —the short version: If the Dems voted No, then the Shutdown would ABSOLUTELY be spinned to be blamed on the Dems no matter how sh*tty the CR is. The CR WILL HURT and THAT NOW will ALL be blamed on the party that it should go to — the GOP.
Pathetic display.
🟧 and Co. WANT a shutdown. And it would have been indefinite.
But thank God some ppl had balls enough to hit back. We may never know that this was the best outcome. But it still was.
His whole “it’ll look bad if we don’t vote for the thing to keep the government open because government shut downs hurt people” fails to understand that the PEOPLE know Trump/Musk are taking power either way.
This is a permission slip. Do you give them permission, chuck?
They won't.
Capitulation is always a wrong idea
I think he was really worried about the effect it would have on markets and his personal wealth.
Ah well... What's done is done, ...and is crap.
https://youtu.be/OU84CCaT6wo?si=-3p5Z0ZOSuLKKZB_
It's unacceptable.
2) maliciously cuts DC budget for no reason other than to punish the city (no savings)
3) prevents any congressional oversight on tariffs for the next 6months
4) Doge has free reign
Don't give official cover for their nonsense
Will cause many problems. Police, teachers laid off
It would be cool if Dems could stand up to protect the city, instead of leaving us behind. When will they fight vs. roll over?
They'll ask for my vote so they can do something - why do they deserve power if they won't use it?
However subjectively, maybe the feeling of putting up a fight is more powerful??
So let’s work towards that.
The current CR is definitively not that. Let it die, then actually get the Rs to negotiate, not say “it’s this or a shutdown.”
A shutdown shoves the endgame in all of our faces. Makes it impossible to look away. Makes opposition loud, before it's too late.
The alternative is bleeding out.
That seems to me to be game over, definitively. (yes, I know this isn't a game. It's an expression.)
#Unfollow
Admin may ignore a shutdown the same way they ignore everything else but the concept resonates w voters.
You're advocating appeasement, giving them permission to kill the US in bits rather than fighting by whatever means necessary.
When a federal employees' Union wants a shutdown, I listen
The CR adds to the damage contains language that expands Trump's power and wrecks the DC government.
What we do know is that the CR and related cloture votes are a test for Democrats.
That’s a good thing to 1/3rd of Americans, terrible to the majority, and Dems simply will not say it.
(I heard that somewhere)
and really Dems just need to show they can fight, even if the result will be the same
The GOP controls every branch of government. If they had their shit together, if they could govern, the Dems' position on the budget (or anything else) would be a non-issue.
In the absence of strategy, all we have is principle. What principles are most important right now: defiance of norm-breaking extremism, or upholding order at the cost of ceding fiscal authority?
I do know this is a discussion that Democratic leadership should have been having with their angry and frightened constituents before yesterday.
Instead they tried to have it both ways through political machinations.
The anger at leadership is well earned.
Now is to choose between war and dishonour!
https://www.project2025.observer/
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/opinion/trump-musk-shutdown-senate.html?unlocked_article_code=1.304.a4Gx.EA7tx8GyCbiR&smid=url-share
I just unfollowed you to unclog my feed
First, to emphasize that government is good, actually. Trump keeps firing people and shuttering offices and a shutdown shows that's antithetical to the country's desires, even if dems share the blame.
That message is MIA right now.
Voting for the CR isn't even effective harm reduction, since Trump is impounding funds anyways.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/looking-squarely-at-a-shutdown
That lil nugget is what's been bothering me. We're doing the first felon's work for him if we shut it down. It's nice to have the details
https://apple.news/ASZgOKBBlQY2DftyU3EMZkg
#PrimaryVichyDems
When Trump congratulates Schumer on caving, maybe it's time to rethink. When the House GOP tweets "Schumer caved. Trump won" followed by "Incredible", maybe it's time to rethink.
I swear I don't know what the right choice is, but we have to consider they may want a shutdown.
If this is indeed the Republican goal -- likely enough -- then the Republicans own the shutdown, entirely.
They're going this way regardless, but if Chuck can muster the courage -- or perhaps succumbing to fear of his constituents is more in character -- he'll vote no.
(The CR also directly hurts residents of DC, so it’s worse than the status quo.)
Dem leadership doesn’t get how deeply bitter and angry we are with them. A yes on cloture will have big consequences. Big.
I wish he would have gone on to say what would happen if/when it doesn’t pass.
1. It gives the congressional stamp of approval to the cuts made by DOGE (which are all illegal and unconstitutional)
2. It grants the executive authority to unilaterally dictate how funds are spent without Congress.
Musk/DOGE have no legitimate authority
So 1. Makes DOGE legitimate by saying that Congress approves of the actions the MUSK is taking. There are current lawsuits
The second item straight up gives lets trump take over the congressional power of the purse.
Right now we see Trump edging closer to outright defying court
What do you call a president that can dictate how money is appropriated without any approval from the legislature and is not bound by the rule of law?
A dictator
It's chaos either way, and there's no winning scenario.
Does he have a reputation for telling the truth?
I don't know what the right choice is, but let's make sure it's not a trap.
This same thing is the reason we lost the Supreme Court, the reason the indictments died, why Dems with narrow majorities can’t enact agendas while republicans with narrow majorities can. And ultimately why we lose elections.