Antony Green on 730: “In Australia, because of compulsory voting, we see disengagement turn up in just voting for other parties“
Seriously. WTF.
Green really has not coped with voters shifting from 2PP.
People don’t votes for independents/Greens etc because they are disengaged with politics, FFS
Seriously. WTF.
Green really has not coped with voters shifting from 2PP.
People don’t votes for independents/Greens etc because they are disengaged with politics, FFS
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Told me she drew pics on the ballot paper last time 😳
think we’ve convinced her to actually vote this time?
Told her I don’t care who she votes for
but to think about people she loves when she does x
I vote Greens
https://youtu.be/632FpnM2iJc?si=bNudSMJnzT_f3Osv
Yep, sorry Antony, time to retire mate. Your model is broken
And talk of Tehan becoming a leader of the LNP I already want to kick the tv in when he talks how bad will it be if he’s op leader
We do it because we ‘are smart’
The duopoly is dead .. tired, non progressive & feckless
Silly of Anthony Green to say that.
#auspol #DumpTheDuopoly
It’s not (necessarily) a wasted vote in Australia.
That said, we do elect a few dipshits.
It's like they want us to accept mediocrity.
In a primarily two party system, folks like me reject both by choosing to vote someone else. Many of us pick "least worst" rather than "hey these folks represent me!"
And then yeah, some will vote for Raving Loony Party or whatever, sure.
"It's making it harder to predict the outcome with more ppl backing other candidates!"
* Oh! poop to yoo! Lol
I feel like the opposite is true? Disengagement = votes for LNP and ALP
a) that's what they've always done, or
b) that's what their parents do/did
Figuring out who the member is or their policies isn't a factor. It's not engagement.
This all seems like Greg arguing a different thing than Antony because he’s talking much more generalities and things like informals
Engagement involves being aware of issues and actually making an informed decision.
We have better choices, thanks to preferential voting, and an incentive to vote thanks to compulsion
He was not clear, but listening closely I think that was his point
Very different to Green/teals voters.
If voters were disengaged they would vote informally, donkey vote or not vote.
Obvs either position is insanely simplistic unless there's some good research involved to support it
Even an FU vote for PHON or another nutter isn’t necessarily simple disengagement.
Rare bad take from Green?
Unquestioning adulation of Green has overlaid his sometimes dubious opinions for some time.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-mandatory-voting
They've had to snuggle up to a weird, anti women, isolationist cult - who, btw have an exemption to not vote .... which is a tad ironic 🤔
(After years of watching, I reckon I know what it is, but not sayin'.)
Awww. Get stuffed.
"we hadn't built anything which really coped with the situation where Labor candidates were excluded from the preference count. The results didn't fit into the two-party model we'd had forever."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-30/antony-green-abc-career-moments-major-elections-36-years/105211774
It's the informed voter that will explore the policies of every party and vote for the candidate that best reflects their own priorities
Number your selections in order of the least supported candidates. They have the fewest number of votes, so your next candidate is taken to be your choice etc.
When a candidate wins it's not your fault... your vote didn't count!
As for the greens , they are going the same way as the democrats...
He’s not the Messiah; he’s just a very boring boy … 😈
1. Those the think about the issues and vote accordingly.
2. Those that reflexively vote the same every election. “I’ve always voted X”.
3. Those who decide in the voting queue.
Independents generally don’t have much of type 2 and have to work for every vote.
4: Those who don't want to be there so donkey vote, or vote informal
The Libs wanted to get rid of compulsory voting a few years ago as their research indicated it would help their votes.
Defend CV. This year we're hearing of aggressive tactics at polling booths. Many other countries often have voters intimidated from voting
U have the right to not vote and pay a fine. Or submit a blank voting ballot paper
Every vote counts when the result is tight. Often a recount is done.
People who vote for independents are sending a message, they are not disengaged !
My assumption (also no evidence!) is that disengagement = susceptibility to advertising = money/advertising talks and disproportionately leads to votes for the major parties (which have the most money and advertising).
They don't even know an independent will be better. The best advice someone gave me was pick a side.
I would have phrased it "disenchantment" with the two major parties ... because I suspect that a lot of voters have been disengaged with the major parties for a long time?
However I am willing to be convinced otherwise.
Undecided doesn’t = independent
So many named party candidates fighting for the bottom of the ballot, but none jumping out to be #1.
An independent running with the policy to 'be a reasonable person and use their own brain' would be a breath of fresh air.
I vote Green not because I’m gutless - but because their policies are vastly superior to anything else on offer.
How will they pay for their policies?
By taxing Labor and Liberal donors.
If if they win the majority but their margin is eroded by voters going further left then I hope they do the work to win them back.
36 years is a good run.
I happen to think Greg's right & wasn't nasty.
#AusPol
‘In America, the double-haters stay home. In Australia, they vote for an independent or a minor party.’
The disenfranchised are 🤔 disenfranchised. So don’t vote for anyone.
I’d be interested in see the number of informal votes.
Yet the MSM often refer to her successor, Helen Haines as 'a teal', which is not true.
the Libs left this deceitful pamphlet in my letterbox 🙄
backstory here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-25/federal-election-2025-battle-for-seat-of-forrest-wa/105189078
but I *did* still mark them higher on the ballot then the Lib, PHON, or Trumpet candidates.
On voting booths the ones you are pretty sure are going to draw a dick and balls don’t take the major party HTVCs
Weird argument, kind of cancels itself out
But also maybe it’s time for someone a bit younger with a broader perspective to take the spot
I went right off Green when he patronised and abused me after I asked him a genuine question a few months ago. I'm glad he's retiring. 🤨
Agree, he hasn't adapted over time, not only to the changing political landscape, but also changing demographics, as boomers leave the scene.
A none vote is also a vote of no confidence in the two party system and a protest vote.
I think the real reason we have compulory voting is it generates $20. Million in fines for the government system.
Compulsory voting is the greatest achievement Australia has ever made on democracy
There should be a "no candidate has earned my vote" box, but you can spoil it
Anything else would be in-Australian
If we all had the choice to vote someone out I would be behind that.
We used to have compulsory conscription too.
I’m not against compulsory voting just for freedom
If you benefited from society you’d had to be part of the process