One of the oldest arguments against giving any rights or process to the people we accuse is — one constantly “rediscovered” by the shallow and the dim — is “well they didn’t give their victims any rights or process.”
That’s fatuous.
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That’s fatuous.
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these 133 people didnt have due process
Now do James Byrd Jr.
He "tried that in a small town"... living while Black "that" is.
desert.
HAMLET God’s bodykins, man, much better! Use every
man after his desert and who shall ’scape
whipping? Use them after your own honor and
dignity. The less they deserve, the more merit is in
your bounty. Take them in.
(Act 2, scene 2)
A persons skin tone =/= gang membership.
Do you want to guess what has historically been abused by LE and govt agencies during times of cultural shifts and unease?
**Discretion**
Without an obligation to demonstrate accuracy, innocents pay the price.
Erasing due process means erasing the rights of victims to seek redress. "Your problems don't matter. We do as we like."
24 was truly disruptive and helped convince too many that torture could not only be justified, but worked.
IM GOING INSANE
ITS THE CHIEF DOCUMENT FOR DEFINING THE GOVERNMENTS RELATIONSHIP WITH CRIMINALS IN A SPECIFIC SECTION CALLED THE BILL OF RIGHTS
Most weren't.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/12/asia/philippines-duterte-icc-arrest-explainer-intl-hnk/index.html
"If the government can always be trusted to get things right, why do we need the 2nd Amendment?" should be the question these folks have to answer.
"I'll be a dictator on day one." the label was on the can, they read it, and they bought it
They need to meet a Judge Dredd.
due process is for white people. nonwhites are assumed guilty and should be summarily punished; if they aren't punished they should see it as an act of mercy
IMHO
"I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake"
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7515521-william-roper-so-now-you-give-the-devil-the-benefit
I told her to go visit the county jail to see hundreds more of innocent people being held pending trial. For months. In our community.
They unironically and whole-heartedly believe that’s what it was always meant to be and we somehow just lost our way with all of this “equal rights” nonsense.
Like, one of the functions of human civilization is to learn lessons & improve, & I feel like there's an active, well funded effort working against exactly that, all for the short-term benefit of a tiny few
You worded it much better, though lol
Only criminals commit crimes, they might say.
The right to liberty is unalienable and isn’t just for citizens of the USA.
should have paid more attention to CLS in law school, i guess
And the courts don't appear to have a problem with it either.
This can exist in other contexts too, like war.
People like to fantasize about righteous vengeance but often it just cultivates authoritarian behavior.
It's insane because these people understand this at a fundamental level but since the cult leader is doing it to people that aren't them they just accept it.
If it was, say, Clinton doing this, there would be revolt
Pretty well sums up my feelings about the death penalty
https://www.rubio.senate.gov/rubio-praises-trump-administration-s-ded-designation-for-venezuelan-nationals-in-u-s/
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/19/trump-venezuela-temporary-legal-status-460524
https://www.newsweek.com/ex-trump-aide-casts-blame-donald-trump-laken-riley-death-1873437
"They didn't give their victims any rights or process" is EXACTLY why what they did was a fucking crime, you vacuous imbeciles.
Due process is irrelevant to ordinary citizens. If I try you for the capital crime of ignorance of what “due process” means and execute you, I’m still a murderer. If you kill me attempting to execute you, you’re not, it’s self defense—no due process required.
https://bsky.app/profile/rgoodlaw.bsky.social/post/3lknozaqq4c2z
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_jogger_case
I only get constitutional rights when it’s popular to a median voter in a vacuum?
Why isn’t “the government should not be able take custody of a person with no evidence” a good enough “hill to die on.” What other hills are there, exactly?
USDoJ: “Well actually. . . .”
George Floyd
Jordan Neely
Breonna Taylor
Caylee Anthony
Yes, Laken may not have been murdered if the guy wasn't here, but what is true for many of the 20,000 or so other murders, is that if X condition didn't exist, Y wouldn't have happened.
Due process doesn’t mean a free pass, it means a process. The system should protect those who are innocent and caught up in the process (usually because of discrimination).
Jay seems foundationally confused by the concept.
Oh, you're not talking about him.
Soooo ooooold
Me: Torture isn't just wrong. It also doesn't work.
FIL: Of course it works, and besides, we only torture terrorists.
Me: How do we know they're terrorists?
FIL: Because they all confessed.
Me: When?
FIL: After we tortured them *giggle*
Now I'm an atheist again, living a more christ like life than when I was around Christians lol
(There is no need to actually perform this experiment; the outcome has been empirically demonstrated, many times.)
Yeah, Laken may be a tragedy but her fate pales in comparison to the atrocities committed against Black Americans
So many more Black people who haven't been given due process BY LAW ENFORCEMENT.
It's kind of a mashup of the slippery slope/non sequitur fallacy.
But you nailed it on the head, dim shallow people use it.
Yeah. He's not allowed to do that. That's why he's on trial.
We should be very careful about modelling our behaviour on the worst people we know.(or think we know)
If you skip morality, the problem comes in the long view: what happens when you’re no longer the one power? No one lives forever, and no regime does either
Being a pro-social, doing right by others takes more work than doing the opposite. Although… maybe it takes the same amount of work, only you’re not passing your share of it on to others.
Them: [shoves a pole into a corpse] Laken Riley was murdered by an illegal migrant! Wooooo.
- John Adams
You know, monarchy type shit.
It's baffling to hear people denigrate due process and profess their love for the constitution in the same breath.
Their courts are more like a trip to the DMV.
If the question is whether someone is a terrorist, it is logically unsound to assume that in the argument. That's circular logic, called "begging the question".
I assume DEH knows this, my post is for those unfamiliar with the logical fallacy.
(I mean it's also for the bad guys too because the government must prove their guilt in a court of law BUT even if not it's still important)
The Red Queen in Lewis Carrol’s Alice in Wonderland
In today’s society Drumpf kills and murders trans folx every day and people celebrate him, so it must not be that big of a deal!!
It's a nice little culture war knot they have. The answer to approach every illegal act the exactly same way
"Since you're guilty, you don't get a trial. And so you don't get to defend yourself against the claim that you are guilty."
Just look at Richard Jewell.
nothing has changed my mind
Tamerlan was a permanent resident and Dzhokhar was a naturalized citizen. The FBI had held up papers for Tamerlan.
Meanwhile, the US has the worst maternal and neonatal death rates in the developed world. Women die every day due to lack of healthcare.