I'm instituting a complete and total ban on doomer sentiment in my replies. "Actually nothing good can ever happen and you're a naive fool if you think otherwise." Understandable given recent events but enough!
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It's certainly hard to see what the point of saying it is, tbh. I guess they think they sound worldly or whatever, but real knowledge of history shows that, actually, lots of bad stuff has happened and we've survived it and made things better afterwards. So we will probably do that again.
It's your timeline, but I would gently ask that you differentiate between random doomerism and actual experts saying there's a reason to be concerned. Way too few people understand that there's a difference.
There’s “we’ll get through this (reassuring smile)” optimism and “we’ll get through this (about to throw a Molotov cocktail)” optimism and people seem to forget the latter exists.
the most fun i ever had riding a skateboard wasn't landing any particular trick, it was bombing hills in traffic late for work almost dying to be at work on time.
i'm thinking about the hero and the ice skater of kierkegaard's "the present age."
now i'm thinking about the song heroes by david bowie
(I say this having very good friends who are Furries, I'm 100% just ribbing ya. I know most Furries just like anthro animals. Y'all are cool with me, it's fine.)
Acknowledging likely outcomes is not 'doomerism'. And it is possible that the USA is in the position it is in because too many people refused to SEE those outcomes.
I don’t think anyone will listen to you, in fact, I think people are checked out and don’t care. Fascism is here to stay, and everyone is too scared to resist it.
Was that doom enough? 😁😁🤭
(I do not actually think this at all)
Right? The overreaction! Sheesh. Inflation this.. measles that.. planes falling out of the sky.. what.. all our ssn information accessed.. pfftt..
Naysayers!
We got a new gulf! Which country in the world can say that now? Haa? Haa??
Hmm, hope I don't qualify as a doomer if I say, "Plenty bad is happening, but it's not surprising given the stupidity of the people who caused it and the evil intent of the people that they put in charge."
Anyway, eat drink and be merry for tomorrow ... yeah, well, maybe.
So if I'm understanding correctly the instructions we have all been given are don't be distracted, don't stop paying attention, look away once in a while, don't be naive, be realistic but don't lose hope, don't be hyperbolic or downplay and fight but fight like we want to make friends.
Maybe I should try replacing every doomer thought with something absurd. Instead of "I bet there won't even be elections" I could say "they'll probably use tapioca pudding for ballots and make mackerel a legal form of voter id"
It helps to keep a journal, so that there is some way to express what you're feeling. You also want to document as much positivity as you can, even small things
many of these people are scrolling for Armageddon and they couldn't even build a lean-to
if I handed them a rope and said "tie me a bowline" I'd get a square knot back.
too many Eeyores
I like to assume that some folks are just in different phases of the emotional process of dealing with a fascist coup d’é·tat. They should be allowed a doomer phase, so long as they don’t wallow too deeply or for too long.
People are apt to think in absolutes because the truth is so complex and our trauma is real. Even if this regime succeeds in every evil thing they plan, there will inevitably be some good outcomes. The human spirit is indomitable.
One must consider these people need to make sure nothing good can happen so that they can keep having reason to repeat that line, in order to reinforce their identity, which depends on it.
Who would they even be if everything was great? I don’t think they know—which feels scarier than the doom.
I'm realistic. The point of being here is to have informed discussions with thoughtful people based on the reality of the situation we're in. Being hopeful is important-but I'm not doing toxic positivity either.
I'm so tired of the doom and gloom on Threads from shitlibs, as well as my dad complaining about Trump every single time I'm around. Shit's not good for my already compromised mental health.
Exact same. Also the “but why aren’t YOU doing X about” thing someone posted - not productive or interesting and often uninformed as to what the poster actually is doing. I need my energy for laughs and undermining the dominant paradigm, not for fighting reply-guys
Many think that powerlessness is when those in power say "I am coming to oppress you". That is not the case: it is merely that individual's realisation of the inequity of the existing power imbalance. No matter how great that inequity we can still fight back.
Now it gives them a call to action and makes them think about whether they want the guilt of having given up in the face of it, and makes them question, "OK how CAN I help?"
TBH I always thought that Cassandra must've been so lonely. It never occurred to me that she represented like twenty+ percent of the population with basic critical thinking skills.
And what I'm personally going to do about it is keep learning Spanish, so I can be on the ground helping people, given I have a law degree. But it'd sure be nice if I didn't have to bust my ass, because these people shouldn't be suffering in the first place.
Things that are happening now I listed as part of my list of what Trump would try to do, before he was POTUS the first time. When all kinds of people were just laughing & saying “maybe he won’t be that bad”
And yes, totally has to do with pattern recognition
No, we didn't all know. Not by a long shot. The number of people who willfully turned off their critical thinking skills - if they ever had any - is in the millions. So is the number of people who insisted we were dramatic or overreacting.
Even if everything goes to complete 💩 and America turns into a Mad Max wasteland, there are still cows to wave at, kittens to cuddle, and puppies to scritch chins for. As 💩 as life will get, it still ain't too hecc
A sleepy pocket birb as an example of finding serotonin when things are going to 💩
Things are genuinely awful but then you’ll see some GOP shit that will obviously go nowhere & ppl are replying “We are so fucked”. Like, get it together if you want to live to see these assholes get what’s coming to them.
Agree. I won’t tolerate references to the death of the United States, doomsday, detonating a nuclear bomb, the Fourth Reich or the Final Solution. Do something useful.
I keep thinking about how dumb our enemies are and how profoundly unsustainable their current mission is. They're going to break a lot of things but man oh man this can't last very long before it just falls apart
Most Authoritarian regimes collapse because they so hollow the state out, the people get angry and revolt, or they get weakened and collapse from within.
They're currently so stupid, they copied Russia's homework sloppily, and are speedrunning their own fall. The fact we're keeping pace is proof.
One thing that a lot of people don't really talk much about is that we have a lot of evidence from around the globe of what autocracies look like. The ones that are successful have really detailed bureaucracies. We know as much about the Holocaust as we do because Nazis were effective bureaucrats
These guys SUCK at bureaucracy, they're taking a SLEDGE to the bureaucracy.
It 100% will fail, they just don't realize it yet. We're seeing signs of it already. If you keep the MSM and soft power in your pocket, you have a healthy autocracy. If you GUT IT LIKE A WET FISH, you collapse.
And in the meantime they are being so transparent about how bad they are at it - firing MSM that was in their pocket like WaPo and NYT, destroying clear things that people need to live, making ridiculous unenforcable EOs - that it's ALREADY FUCKING FAILING.
"they're going to round up US citizens and put them in camps!" Like, how? Do you have any idea what the logistical challenges are in doing something like that? What department of the government would even be staffed well enough to carry that out? That's a tall order
I like to attribute some of this to misinformation campaigns. Every post that has a good message quickly gathers comments saying "what does it matter, they'll just do what they want anyways?" or like "when is somebody going to do something?!" under an article about somebody doing something
Thay are dooming themselves and are the naïve fools 😂💜 happened a lot, may happen again, let's get better people in charge after them or maybe, if it's worth it, something deserving to be named a democracy ? There never have been a democracy anywhere as far as I know :p
I think that’s what it is-stages of grief. I actually have a lot of faith in the American people to rise up from the ashes and do the hard work. I truly believe that there’s nothing to fear but fear itself. This is the battle of our times and it’s time to rally with community and get busy.
Idk i got married? it was hard and on the other side of the country from where i live but ended up being a beautiful tribute to queer community and honoring both chosen and birth family. Good things still happen!
If I honestly thought nothing good could ever happen again, I wouldnt be on the fuckin internet, I'd be druggin and fuggin my way to a spectacular suicide. Possibly involving airplanes
Accepting the very realistic probability of personal doom for refusing to comply is what gives me strength. Nothing to lose. My hope is my small efforts will somehow matter for future generations even if I never live to see the changes I've worked for all my life. We're planting seeds.
We shall overcome.
By we, I mean the process of inclusion, love, kindness, fortitude, & empathy being at the forefront of humanity again.
Not sure I'll be alive to see it, but I can tend the tree of liberty & shield it from enemies foreign & domestic.
Ngl in my opinion 99% of people who post doomer shit (including myself, but I will try to keep it in check) are just depressed and/or beyond scared and doom scrolling 4+ hours a day.
I think it's autism, for me, causing hyperfixation on aspects of suffering. I notice, many times a day, facts like "There are still hungry children. People don't care enough to fix that." I don't have the mental equipment to create for myself a more convenient version on reality than facts give me.
Never once an issue for me. I acknowledge a lot of shit is going down, but doomerism ain't my style.
No, I'm too pissed off at people either pretending it's normal or blaming me for it.
Love endures all things - remember to love something, someone, especially if you can love those that make you angry because wanting “those people over there” to suffer is how we got into this mess.
I think people are fluctuating between moments of despair and moments of determination. Give them a break, internet hippo. They’re human. Vulnerable and fallible and yet also resilient.
Bad stuff is always happening. The winner is whoever has the momentum and momentum builds through positive energy. Those are just facts regardless of what’s going on so if we want to win this is a wise outlook.
Doomerism is what they want. It's what they expect us to do and literally factored into their strategy. The most important thing we can do right now is thrive in spite of them. Enjoyment is an act of rebellion.
I boot people without hope! I mean come on, if you were truly without hope you'd be dead or worse. Despair doesn't need sharing. Share with me why you got up off that floor. Share with me what's worth working for in this strange reality.
No doom is worth hearing if it isn't including a cause and solution. That's my philosophy. You don't get credit for declaring the sky is blue unless you explain why.
I’m lurking in the comments for doomers to block. I may be accidentally catching some people just trying to make little jokes, but their jokes aren’t funny. For that, also a block.
I struggle with these kinds of sentiments, too. They want to beat us down. If we think we're doomed, we have to reason to fight. That's exactly what they want.
Hope is an act of rebellion. A middle finger to those who want to destroy our country. A reason to fight. Embrace it. #resist
I feel the need to hash out worst case scenarios. It actually makes me feel better. However, there are other possible outcomes as well, some of them better than we dare to imagine.
Nothing's inevitable. We have agency. I never put down people that are doing something useful.
Demonstrating this Saturday. Peacefully. It took these assholes 50 years to get us to this point. Likely as not it will take a year or two before enough people oppose them to fix this. There will be pain, a lot of it on those who supported the clown in chief.
Doomerism is just so low-effort. Like "Really? Wow. Tell me something I DON'T know." Put in the effort. Find that ray of hope, and point it out to the rest of us. THAT is worthy of my replies, where only the best bleets are accepted.
I grew up in poverty with mentally ill parents. I was 'weird', being autistic, and bullied by many of my teachers as well as the other students. I hoped society would get better. Yet, here we are, with a sustained pushback against human decency. Hope is a drive for action, not its replacement.
Hope to see the end of hunger. Hope to feed children, and then do it. Hope is a drive for action, not its replacement.
Hope to see the end of hatred. Hope to show compassion, and then to reshape society so compassion is promoted. Hope is a drive for action, not its replacement.
The good from this is this:free-thinkers unite to form a united third party, we have the votes to enact legislation to attenuate the economic model to a sustainable top-down configuration of the economic model.....simple.......yea right!
When the Western half of the Roman Empire collapsed in 476 people thought that it would be the end of the world. Fast forward & 1549 years later and it turned out ok ;)
I was world weary before it was cool. Seriously, things suck, but there is always hope. Even if there is just a 10% chance we get through this, that's much better odds than the lottery and people keep playing the shit out of that.
Optimism is the new avant-garde. "All will be well," I say, but with an expression of ennui and an actual cigarette between my fingers, which I smoke because they're healthier than vaping. "All will be well."
All you toy soldiers and scaremongers
Are you living in this world sometimes I wonder
In between saying you’ve seen too much and saying you’ve seen it all before
Someone on this site has to agree to be the sin-eater for all doom posting. Just the one where everyone goes to say that things can't be better. Not me though. I'm too weak.
Complaining is useful when it can get something done. Complain about a sore leg on a hike might get the group to take a break. But if that doesn't happen, further complaints do nothing except annoy everyone without actually solving a problem.
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pacifism =/= optimism =/= compliance
i'm thinking about the hero and the ice skater of kierkegaard's "the present age."
now i'm thinking about the song heroes by david bowie
I think the weird fursuiters who like to draw porn of squirrel people being inflated with horse cock can do better than that.
Was that doom enough? 😁😁🤭
(I do not actually think this at all)
Jam the algorithms.
Naysayers!
We got a new gulf! Which country in the world can say that now? Haa? Haa??
Anyway, eat drink and be merry for tomorrow ... yeah, well, maybe.
Got it.
Maybe next time.
if I handed them a rope and said "tie me a bowline" I'd get a square knot back.
too many Eeyores
And once online, it tends to snowball far beyond any realm of rationale or even good taste.
Giving up is no more an option than denying how critical and deadly things are. The one creates and motivates the other.
If that makes sense?
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/jmaZjkzq32pmzoHpF/an-ai-realist-manifesto-neither-doomer-nor-foomer-but-a
"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose." Kris Kristofferson
The doomers are preparing themselves mentally to fight, even if they don't realize it.
I’m convinced that they are all an OP. “There will never be an election again!!!” and I’m voting in 2 weeks!
Only constructive critiques and action right now.
We’re all very sensitive right now.
Who would they even be if everything was great? I don’t think they know—which feels scarier than the doom.
NOT BUYING ANYTHING. Especially if it doesn't align with your beliefs.
Bro it really is that simple. A lazy person can do it. A literal three toed sloth can do it. And it helps.
Whoopee! we're all gonna die!
Now let's sing a jolly song together!
not a Pollyanna, but I will
never give up my hope. And, no one will take it from me.
Kind of feels like cope? I hope you guys have more than cope in that toolbox or else we're screwed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRPkNMsYnLU
"OK. So what are you gonna do about it?"
Now it gives them a call to action and makes them think about whether they want the guilt of having given up in the face of it, and makes them question, "OK how CAN I help?"
That's what they literally are.
PsyOps to make us comply with fear.
Well I ain't buying that shit.
Things that are happening now I listed as part of my list of what Trump would try to do, before he was POTUS the first time. When all kinds of people were just laughing & saying “maybe he won’t be that bad”
And yes, totally has to do with pattern recognition
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-progressive-tradition-in-american-politics/
CYNICISM IS SURRENDER
THIS CITY'S HEART IS STILL BEATING
A sleepy pocket birb as an example of finding serotonin when things are going to 💩
Meanies, go back to twitter. We're trying to have fun, ya wet rags.
And the most radical and subversive thing is always hope.
They need our support
Being a Doomer is being complicit in fascism and makes you an enemy.
They're currently so stupid, they copied Russia's homework sloppily, and are speedrunning their own fall. The fact we're keeping pace is proof.
These maroons ain't geniuses. They aren't going to succeed. They're so bad at what they do they can't even build rockets and cars that don't explode.
They are MORONS. Morons.
They aren't. They're turning the pot up to 11 and hoping we all die fast enough. And we just aren't.
It 100% will fail, they just don't realize it yet. We're seeing signs of it already. If you keep the MSM and soft power in your pocket, you have a healthy autocracy. If you GUT IT LIKE A WET FISH, you collapse.
If they did they'd know how to do this right. They don't read or game though, so they don't know, it's just copying homework.
And that's why they'll fall.
Else, I just did the Last Good Thing.
Mostly because I am in the same place.
Don’t tap out. Tap in & get busy.
That doomerism is the new reality
We're going to fight for our future God damn it.
Except the only thing GUARANTEED to not work...is to not try at all.
Everything else, every tiny bit of something anyone can do, has at least the POTENTIAL to work, no matter how tiny that potential might be.
By we, I mean the process of inclusion, love, kindness, fortitude, & empathy being at the forefront of humanity again.
Not sure I'll be alive to see it, but I can tend the tree of liberty & shield it from enemies foreign & domestic.
No, I'm too pissed off at people either pretending it's normal or blaming me for it.
Love endures all things - remember to love something, someone, especially if you can love those that make you angry because wanting “those people over there” to suffer is how we got into this mess.
Fascists rely on three arguments to stun movements:
1) Pervesion: "The problem will only get worse, Bro"
2) Futility: "There's nothing we can do, TBH"
3) Apocalypse: "Changing this will cause the downfall of human civilization FR!"
Fuck em
Hope is an act of rebellion. A middle finger to those who want to destroy our country. A reason to fight. Embrace it. #resist
Got harassed for two days straight for saying life is good and things can get better.
I feel the need to hash out worst case scenarios. It actually makes me feel better. However, there are other possible outcomes as well, some of them better than we dare to imagine.
Nothing's inevitable. We have agency. I never put down people that are doing something useful.
So don't worry. If you're sad enough, you'll die on your own :D
Hope to see the end of hatred. Hope to show compassion, and then to reshape society so compassion is promoted. Hope is a drive for action, not its replacement.
Are you living in this world sometimes I wonder
In between saying you’ve seen too much and saying you’ve seen it all before
This is also why I don’t believe Trump’s approval rating is anywhere near 50%.