Trump cannot be given a state visit to the UK. It should never have been offered. The invitation must now be withdrawn. You might as well hand it to Putin.
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Downgrade it to lunch with Prince Andrew in Pizza Express Woking branch. They can reminisce over old times when they used to rape girls trafficked by Epstein.
I am no monarchist, But you are talking about a state visit with the head of Canada as well as UK, after Trump's behaviour how could it ever be offered?
Someone needs to make a petition to STOP the visit! Someone in the UK media needs to take the lead on this and show bravery... STOP appeasing that dictator in Washington DC.
A disgraceful spectacle. And JD Vance? What a cunt. People have had colonoscopies less intrusive that that grotesque display of arse rimming from Vance on Trump.
IMO If Trump values Charles so much, he can have him and his family. They can go live with Tate and friends out in US. Andrew will feel much more at home.
I’d say leave it open but spend a very long time working out the date. “Sorry, can’t do that week, having the guest suite at Balmoral redecorated”, etc.
Actually just keep finding excuses why we can’t actually do it at the moment!
“I’m waiting for a skip!”
“Heathrow is being repainted that week”
“Oh the wife’s mother is staying then sorry!”
“A state visit？During national hedgehog week???”
Starmer can use it as leverage. Trump wants this state visit badly, it’s feeding his vanity and ego. Just kick it down the road for a couple of years and use it as bait to get good terms for the UK from the orange weirdo. It could turn out to be a master stoke.
Trump is a fragile ego cosplaying as a strong man. In the end, I doubt he'll have the guts to make a state visit to the UK, because his advisors will tell him he'll be greeted by half a million Janey Godley fans everywhere he turns.
There were loads of protests last time. Remember the Trump baby blimp? He still came. Protest threats this time will make no difference but hopefully will drive the message home better.
I've changed my mind & now think that instead of rescinding the invitation to the Fanta fascist in chief, the king should extend a special invitation to Zelensky to visit as well. If Trump is such a gimp for the royal family then he'll have to accept it & stfu about it. Show solidarity & diplomacy.
Maybe, or host Zelensky first, thus setting a standard that Benito Trumpolino simply won't be able to match.
Maybe then he & his minions (no wait, I love minions!) will decide to cancel at the last minute due to a security alert, or emergency, or having to change his friggin nappy or whatever!
Ok maybe thick skinned is the wrong terminology…. But he won’t care about protests, he’s way past caring what anyone outside of Russia thinks about him
Farage will fawn, Tice will smarm & the fascists will turn out in support. IF he comes, I imagine he’ll be kept away from anywhere ppl can protest in large numbers.
What we really need to do is build an entire fleet of manbaby balloons to fill the skies when he arrives. Maybe a plane flying the banner with the text ‘Where’s Elon? We were promised a visit by the President!’
When it eventually happens as part of some cheap retail diplomacy, King Donald's pageant will be fully shielded from the mass demonstrations, just like last time.
Important to remember that it's not 'America' or 'The US' that's dragging the discourse down ... it's the Trump administration, who (very likely) now speak for less than half of the population. Republicans need to listen to what their voters are saying and stand up against these awful creatures
I'll be there if he does come over.They've crossed all my red lines a while ago and the Oval Office fiasco was, as my gran would have said, the giddy limit!
He's got the skin of a rhinoceros some of the time and a paper thin tolerance level at others. I fear in the case of an "unprecedented" second state visit, it will be the former 😬
What happens next? The Europeans including Starmer need to finally show some principle and distance themselves from this disgusting US administration. Europe will need to support Ukraine without US help even if taxes need to go up.
Oh, I dunno... Let him come, sit him in a public news conference with the King, let the King tear him a new arsehole and then throw him out of whichever palace his majesty has hosted him in. Give him a taste of his own medicine.
It was a diplomatic gesture. But it should now either be rescinded or never actually arranged. Public safety might be at risk from some very angry street protests.
"We'd love a state visit after Ukraine is restored to its pre-2014 borders and rebuilt with reparations from Russia, as Putin begins his life sentence."
Sadly, I agree. I thought Starmer did a good job last week, playing Trump's ego like a violin (very much how Kim Jong Un did last time), but the state visit is completely untenable now.
My heart agrees, my head does not. We would make ourselves more vulnerable to Putin by antagonising Trump. A state visit buys time for European defence alignment, and trade negotiations delay the threat of tariffs. 6 more months of domestic chaos from Wotsit Fingers and we might talking impeachment
The way you bring the American people into this fight is by showing that the EU is united against him and standing with us, standing for democracy, the rule of law, self determination, and justice.
I’m talking about buying time with diplomacy. We could escalate with Trump but half of Americans would side with him. Americans have chosen to fight their own fight, Europe needs time more than anything else. Putin will collapse before Ukraine with solid European support.
On the other hand, summoning him here to get a talking to by Canada's head of state, presumably with the roads being lined by protestors, might not be such a bad idea? Just a thought...
What was seen as a triumphant visit to the USA by Starmer now, after Zelenskyy bullying, makes him look weak as he offers them the Crown Jewels (literally) just for being nice to us..
I'm sure he realised it would appeal to Trump's ego. But there are red lines you do not cross and offering to legitimate Trump's behaviour since he took office is one of them.
It was merely a gift of words, that tickled President Chump’s tummy. A masterstroke. I’d have thought that you might see through it. Whatever it takes until he fucks the fuck off, inevitably. #realpolitik
Putin possibly saw it coming.
I don’t quite get Vance, I thought he was a creature of Silicon Valley, but he’s so anti European, (but pro Western Civilisation?)
I get his sold his soul, but can’t see what his principals are, his logic and his role?
European leaders and advisors will have been gaming the possible outcomes. Today wasn’t unexpected, staged and timed for maximum impact in Europe. European leaders will be mindful that Trump is trying to break Russia from China, put today’s drama aside and work out what is the best path forward.
Let Trump come over to UK for State Visit and then give him a public talking to, just he did to Zalensky; let him pout publicly like the toddler-cunt he is.
I think he's trying to close down the drama (Trump loves drama) and deal with the realities around security guarantees and mineral mining. Trump described Starmer as a tough negotiater afterall
The British electorate will judge him by whether he can pull off controlling Trump while meaningfully supporting Zelenskyy. Achieve that, and neither Farage nor Badenoch will hold a candle to him.
After the Zelenskyy meeting in which he proved himself to be a strong and principled leader, whilst Trump and Vance confirmed worst fears, a wider war in Europe is now inevitable.
Somewhere between the 4th of August and 3rd of September fits with tradition.
Given Scotland's lukewarm feeling for the monarchy I think that might be a gift to the SNP. Good job there are no elections at Holyrood coming up soon.
Yes, but could enable 18 holes with Prince Andrew, a sausage roll and a can of coke in lieu of the state banquet, then off to Prestwick for AF1 and the trip home. Has there ever been a lightning state visit before?
They'll likely pick Dumfries House in Ayrshire. Near one of DJTs Golf Courses as an excuse to go rural/far from London, and near Prestwick Airport which is used to handling Air Force One and USAF jets generally
For Starmer the politically savvy thing to do is come out in strong support of Zelenskyy and Ukraine, call out Russian propaganda, but leave the state visit, etc. as it is.
For everyone? Security, polis, staff, politicians? And then you can just hike into the balmoral estate, there's a fence about 2m high around the main bit with lots of gates, that's not an obstacle.
This is such a naive statement, we can't just opt-out of cooperation with the US. A state visit is a small sacrifice if it boosts our influence over Trump's decision-making, not to mention preventing tariffs as well.
He is going to get some reaction today that he will not like. Who knows? No one wants people to lose their jobs, but inflation will not help him with the voters who must be having second thoughts....
It feels like the plan was to try to flatter him. But you can't flatter a narcissist. The narcissist expects the state visit. He only notices when he doesn't get one.
That King is an embarrasment and a pawn in Putin's scheme. The venal pandering to Trump's monarchial delusions is just further evidence that monarchy is incompatible with democracy, and that the continued practice of mediaeval poodledom is damaging the nation. Dismantle the monarchy.
After today I agree - I thought it was a smart move yesterday but Trump is a Putin acolyte so now we have to be brave enough to publicly say we have withdrawn it given the show today
For all intents and purposes America has fallen and needs to be treated like any other tin pot regime. History should have shown us that treating deranged narcissistic god wannabes like any other rational person doesn't work, they always take more from you. The world needs to make a stand now
For all intents and purposes America has fallen and needs to be treated like any other tin pot regime. History should have shown us that treating deranged narcissistic god wannabes like any other rational person doesn't work, they always take more from you. The world needs to make a stand now
Russia doesn’t know that and cannot gamble on it. You don’t get it do you? We have no fucking deterrence right now. Nada. I am fucking real. I know Russia and how it works. Rusky Mir. Check it out.
Absolutely. If he doesn't I will never vote Labour ever again. He's already late. European leaders have all already spoken apart from Starmer. If he had a backbone he'd withdraw the state visit offer right now and speak out.
It has to kicked down the road .. Charlie sick - Megan is in town - Covid in the royal family - Windsor in lockdown - etc - it seems to be the only thing that he’s interested in - the vain fascist bastard
Feelings matter not at all if we cannot launch our nuclear weapons. Think about it. Are we now without deterrence? Could Russia threaten or hit us for shipping weapons to Ukraine knowing the US will prevent us responding?
In one sense I think it might allow the British people to show the depth of feeling against Trump and the America he and his kind are creating! It might jar more American politicians to the reality of where their country sits in the wider world perception.
I get where you're coming from but diplomacy is telling people what they want to hear, which isn't always what you might think. Bedsides, we now have a huge opportunity to protest the orange cunt & tell him exactly what we think of him, because we don't have to be diplomatic.
Think I’m for giving him a State visit if only for people to take to the streets and peacefully protest. Nobody seems to be doing it in the US, opposition needs to start somewhere and surely this time it will draw large numbers of people.
Why don’t you think about what you’ve just written. The King has no alternative but to invite trump to a state visit because he has no constitutional power at all, so it’s nothing to do with his ego.
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Our King receives an awful lot of collateral reward for this sullying.
A better question might be why we don't deserve a Head of State who can decide for herself whether to meet with rapists , felons and despots.
I’m absolutely furious. Lived in the U.K. for 10 years, working on getting my daughter her British passport and yesterday felt like a slap in the face.
It’s the kind of dirty work we send the royals to do sometimes. Princess Margaret famously flirted the US into approving an IMF loan for the UK back in the 60s.
You're expecting integrity from the Palace? The king? His history isn't one of chivalry. Integrity and No.10 don't mix well either....much like oil and water.
Neither the Palace nor the government will respect the people's will.
I disagree. The state visit should be offered, and when Trump's cortege turns up at Buckingham Palace, a footman with a 6-o'clock shadow in slippers should walk out and tell them to piss off because King doesn't want to see him.
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What a grotesque show of intimidation. Trump/Vance couldn't tie Zelensky's shoe laces and the f***ing world knows it! Western leaders tiptoeing around this utter charlatan is quite obscene. A united statement from the whole of Europe is essential now.
Yes, in any country, they flaunt diplomatic immunity.
If they think their c&c is in trouble they would do almost anything to get him to AF1 and take off.
Trump, and the rest of his sycophants are so insane and unpredictable, that yesterday I thought it was a pragmatic thing to do and 24 hours later I think it’s impossible for it to happen.
Between the Russian purchase of real estate, transforming London to Londonistan, the tory Friends of Russia accepting millions from Putin's henchmen and Johnson putting son of KGB agent in the Lords, it's probably a bit late to start playing the anti Soviet card.
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And take away our right to boo him on the Mall? Oh no, let us celebrate his visit in the way we know best. And that, of course, is exactly why he’s been invited. Those who did not vote for this monster deserve to see him booed across Europe.
I 100% endorse this. I get the pragmatism of the offer but all bets have to be off now. If he and his posse comes to Europe he may not make it out alive.
No state visits to any European country. Boycott our asses until our economy fails and the people who only ever vote out of self-interest turn on Trump.
And what will that achieve, particularly at this time? besides calendars are notoriously difficult to align, weather really unpredictable, may have hold it indoors, blah blah
And, right now, Starmer has to rally the leaders to ensure that the UK, AUS and NZ will refuse Cheetolini's moves to expel Canada from Five Eyes.
Right now, sane Europe, AUS, NZ, Japan, South Korea, even Mexico need to align to protect Canada. Why? Imagine Tr*mp with Canada's natural resources...
i can't imagine the UK, Australia or NZ feel comfortable sharing any intelligence about Russia with the US. I think we all know who should be expelled from Five Eyes.
CA, NZ and the UK are (from a Yank perspective) the minor players. Five Eyes tends to be much more focused on China, and AUS is the key player there of the five.
you probably know more than i do, but i thought they worked pretty hard keeping an eye on both, particularly through some of the "five eyes plus" arrangements with other nations, which includes some european allies more focused on Russia - particularly since the Ukraine invasion?
Well, as I understand it, it goes many ways, including in relation to Russia/Europe, but (again, as I understand it) the American need (and therefore intelligence focus there) is in relation to China and South East Asia.
i understand Singapore, South Korea and Japan are amongst the countries that are included in various five eyes plus arrangements, so no doubt China and South East Asia are a major focus.
Trump does not give anything without expecting something in return. The invitation should have come with a list of conditions to be met before it would be fulfilled.
If he is allowed to come to either Dumfries or Balmoral, I shall be there protesting. Don’t want that orange pucker in the UK and especially not for a state visit.
We should have made the invitation conditional - like Trump makes everything conditional. Come and visit if you’re part of the solution, stay away if you’re part of the problem.
I can understand why it was done. In diplomacy you sometimes need to hold your nose. However the fcuking spectacle today-America & all it apparently stands for died live on tv tonight. They are done & need to be looked upon as adversaries. State visit needs punted in the long grass at the very least
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He officially issued the invitation.
We really need to do this and somehow prevent that monster from entering the UK
"Did I say that? I can't believe I said that..."
And then maybe Charles giving Trump a royal bollocking.
That might actually hurt
Pick a side.
That’s it, really.
“I’m waiting for a skip!”
“Heathrow is being repainted that week”
“Oh the wife’s mother is staying then sorry!”
“A state visit？During national hedgehog week???”
Maybe then he & his minions (no wait, I love minions!) will decide to cancel at the last minute due to a security alert, or emergency, or having to change his friggin nappy or whatever!
This is sure to make an appearance.
Brilliant. Told the truth about the monstrous cabal in the white house
He will bring the Tate brothers along.
Trump and Vance did a double act attack on him!
They are disgusting!
They KNEW he struggled with the English language! 😡
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The way you bring the American people into this fight is by showing that the EU is united against him and standing with us, standing for democracy, the rule of law, self determination, and justice.
And I’m not sure Trump still has 50% of the American people on his side given the last few weeks. He’s lost the WSJ!!
US CEOs are looking at what’s happened to Bezos and Zelenskyy and wondering if they’re next.
It’s time to reject him.
Zelensky didn't manage it, unfortunately.
I have huge sympathy for Zelensky.
But what you are suggesting is counterproductive. Starmer is wresting the soft power away from Putin...that's what matters.
I don’t quite get Vance, I thought he was a creature of Silicon Valley, but he’s so anti European, (but pro Western Civilisation?)
I get his sold his soul, but can’t see what his principals are, his logic and his role?
He may get the visit eventually, but it's what it can do for Ukraine and European security and to benefit the UK overall that matters.
That was always the aim.
You comment as if European leaders haven't been speaking...
Weak men do weak things.
That is plain bonkers. It’s time to pick your side not triangulating with autocrats
It was a game to buy time.
After the Zelenskyy meeting in which he proved himself to be a strong and principled leader, whilst Trump and Vance confirmed worst fears, a wider war in Europe is now inevitable.
Somewhere between the 4th of August and 3rd of September fits with tradition.
Two like-minded men with a lot in common.
Literally just play both sides.
And we should do the world a favour and leave the orange shitgibbon there.
Would be really super cool if your government, um, said anything in response to Trump’s annexation threats against us.
announce that he'll announce tariffs in 3 days >
announce tariffs on [date] >
rescind 2–7 days before [date] >
repeat.
What does our economy look like after years of this?
https://stoptrump.org.uk/petition-cancel/
Many US citizens didn't vote for Trump, and many now regret voting for him.
We still have a King up our sleeve.
Starmer MUST tack towards Europe economically in parallel with closer security alignment.
US is now out in the cold. UK needs to come back inside.
The British people need to know which side we are on.
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A better question might be why we don't deserve a Head of State who can decide for herself whether to meet with rapists , felons and despots.
I wish I did.
Neither the Palace nor the government will respect the people's will.
They where bullies being egged in by Putin.
Disgusting
They would plow over folk and not care one bit.
If they think their c&c is in trouble they would do almost anything to get him to AF1 and take off.
Speaking of withdrawals, when do we talk about the US bases in the UK…
Though your idea is cleaner!
Just delay, delay, delay. Surely Charles can get some more cancer for a bit?
There will be a time to pull this old chestnut back out of the bag...
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Signed, the Americans Who Hate This Too
Right now, sane Europe, AUS, NZ, Japan, South Korea, even Mexico need to align to protect Canada. Why? Imagine Tr*mp with Canada's natural resources...
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/719842/sponsors/new?token=Vv2nWL3JoysE7nWQ1hje
Failing that, the below- as should've been done last time he visited
But the below won't be possible because they'd choreograph his visit to not be near protestors
So, again: cancel this bastard hard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c2etjMl3WM
What an opportunity for a show of disdain with a massive demonstration on the streets of London.
Well well well.
There are other petitions, like the one at https://StopTrump.org.uk
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/no-2nd-state-visit-for-donald-trump?source=rawlink&utm_medium=socialshare&utm_source=rawlink&share=4b004732-fd07-452d-9478-ff4eb568fb1f
OR Trump will force it into public arena "King has gone back on his word, can't trust UK"